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03:00

@UndotheSnowman yep

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Stack Exchange has some of the best Moderators around — seriously — and that is due in no small part to the communities who scrutinize and vote in our Moderator elections. We have a rather formal process for electing moderators, but up until now the process for removing a moderator has been quit...

(that escalated quickly)

OK, calculation ran through, sleepytime

Undo the Snowman

Oh, the team@ complaint thingy, sure, but we need a button on each mods profile that says IMPEACH, and if we get 50 votes or something the mod goes away.

hichris123

Only mods can impeach mods?

Undo the Snowman

@hichris123 Kinda.

Yeah.

hichris123

That's so unfair.

Oh.

The process may also be initiated by the Community Team at Stack Exchange, Inc. in response to numerous, substantiated complaints from users on the site.

Mr. Peanut Monopoly McManish

@UndotheSnowman You could make an unofficial system that tracks this

Undo the Snowman

03:01

@Mr.PeanutMonopolyMcManish Hah!

That might get me in trouble. Not sure how, but it would

Mr. Peanut Monopoly McManish

Make it an API app so you can get voter stats and all

hichris123

@Undo Everything you do gets you into trouble.

Mr. Peanut Monopoly McManish

@UndotheSnowman dammit I almost shogsniped you

Undo the Snowman

@Mr.PeanutMonopolyMcManish has invented a new meme.

hichris123

Quick, post it on the Meta post!

Undo the Snowman

03:03

@Mr.PeanutMonopolyMcManish So can you be timsniped or annasniped or gabesniped?

Mr. Peanut Monopoly McManish

@UndotheSnowman dooku

Undo the Snowman

Hah!

Mr. Peanut Monopoly McManish

possibly

timsniping is hard, I once was a Tim

not the Tim, but a Tim. Out of many other proud souls who took on the mantle

Tim Stone

Ah, Timmanship.

2

Mr. Peanut Monopoly McManish

cue debate on which Tim is The Tim.

hichris123

03:05

Back on mobile.

ElfSlice

Liek if u cry evry Tim

Undo the Snowman

@Mr.PeanutMonopolyMcManish The Tim that can suspend all the other tims is The Tim.

Mr. Peanut Monopoly McManish

But he couldn't before. Does the Theness of a Tim change over time?

Undo the Snowman

Yes.

Mr. Peanut Monopoly McManish

I did not know that Theness was transferable

Undo the Snowman

03:06

Coeffecient of Theness.

@Mr.PeanutMonopolyMcManish If Theness wasn't transferrable, then the first Tim to register would by default be The Tim.

Mr. Peanut Monopoly McManish

No, we can have a state of absence of Theness

Undo the Snowman

Then we have to define at what point one becomes The.

Mr. Peanut Monopoly McManish

There is no becoming The. One is, was, and will be The for all time.

jmac

:1687338 Three Tims for the Elven-devs in the Tavern,
Seven for the Moderation-overlords in their halls of 01100010011010010111010001110011,
Nine for New Users doomed to downvotes,
One for the Jeff Atwood on his dark throne
In the Land of Horror where the Coding lies.
One Tim to rule them all, One Tim to find them,
One Tim to bring them all and in the darkness bind them
In the Land of Horror where the Coders lie.

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Mr. Peanut Monopoly McManish

hahaha

Undo the Snowman

03:10

LOL

Tim Boland, Cincinnati, OH

3.6k 7 16 21

php asp.net gridview html javascript .net linq

^ The first Tim

hichris123

@jmac Write that as a Meta post. Save it. That is the best LOTR ring poem I've ever heard.

hichris123

03:35

@Shog9 What script ran today for the CV queue?

Undo the Snowman

Why did we go read only?

Anna Lear

@hichris123 not so much a script as we fixed a bug that prevented close vote aging and deletion of abandoned posts

hichris123

@Undo huh?

Undo the Snowman

@hichris I'm seeing all the sites as read-only.

hichris123

@Anna Was it the same one that ran last night?

@Undo All? Even SO and meta.so?

Anna Lear

03:42

@hichris123 it runs every night. we haven't done anything else (yet) that I know of.

hichris123

Thanks @Anna

michaelb958's a Sleigh

Eeek why is Meta read-only?

Undo the Snowman

@hichris Yes.

hichris123

@Undo I see it on meta, but not main SO.

Undo the Snowman

@StackStatus Everything's in RO, are we getting HTTPS?

Tweeted by Undo_SE on December 18, 2013 at 3:42 AM

hichris123

03:47

How are we supposed to live without Meta?

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Undo the Snowman

How can we live without HATS?

hichris123

Hats are life.

Therefore, there is no life without hats.

ElfSlice

Hats for bats

jadarnel27

@Mr.PeanutMonopolyMcManish Ah, my mistake.

=)

Mysticial

Is it just me, or am I the only one who's still seeing:

> This site is currently in read-only mode; we’ll return with full functionality soon.

jadarnel27

03:58

@hichris123 You're welcome, though apparently it was Undo that needed the lesson.

I was sort of careless in my reading of the transcript.

@Mysticial I'm still getting that.

For what it's worth.

So you're not completely alone!

hichris123

I'm seeing it too.

Undo the Snowman

status-reproduced

Mysticial

Oh ok. I'm seeing things getting posted. My posts are getting votes. Everyone else in C++ chat seems ok.

I thought I got hell-banned or something.

:)

jadarnel27

@Mysticial Actually, looks like everything but Meta is back for me.

hichris123

No, I'm just seeing it on Meta.

Mysticial

04:00

I'm still locked out of all 3 sites that I use. SO, meta.SO, and Anime.SE.

jadarnel27

Cleared your cache?

(not that I would expect that to be the problem, really)

Anna Lear

We're looking into it.

Mysticial

I tried from a different computer same.

So I'm suspecting is just the servers that are supposed to serve my region is out.

*still not updated

Undo the Snowman

Yay! Devs gonna make hats come back?

Mysticial

@AnnaLear thx!

jadarnel27

04:02

@Mysticial Weird. Hey, has your username always had that 2nd 'i'? I always read it "Mystical."

jmac

@hichris123 I would, but it would seem that meta is broken. Possibly because someone spoiled the unicorn hat secrets.

Mysticial

@jadarnel27 ahahaha!!! Another victim.

Anna Lear

@Mysticial The correct answer is "what two i's" ;)

jadarnel27

@Mysticial Darn it! I've been successfully username pranked.

Possibly for quite some time.

@AnnaLear Hey, come on now. I'm already second-guessing myself =P

hichris123

Link to the meta post where you said that, @Mysticial

Mysticial

04:05

AHAHA, I pwned another victim! One of these days, I'm gonna get rid of that "i" just to troll everybody... :P:P:P — Mysticial Dec 10 at 0:31

jmac

What do you mean @Mystical? — jmac Dec 10 at 0:04

hichris123

Like half the people who try to ping me... :D — Mysticial Dec 10 at 0:02

jmac

That comment will be worth it's weight in gold when you do get rid of the second 'i'

(I think you should get rid of the first 'i' instead, just to screw with folks @Mystcial)

hichris123

Meta's back for MW.

Mysticial

same

@hichris123 What region are you in?

hichris123

04:06

How do you edit posts on mobile?

Undo the Snowman

Yay!

jmac

@hichris123 Who is MW, and how do I steal his connection?

hichris123

US, midwest

Mysticial

@hichris123 I'm in the Bay Area.

Anna Lear

Regions don't really matter for this.

jmac

04:07

@hichris123 Liar -- MW is ISO-3166-1 alpha-2 for the Distinguished Kingdom of Malawi

hichris123

@jmac I would correct it if I could. But mobile is so annoying.

Mysticial

Then I guess it doesn't work the same way Google's servers do.

jmac

(which may not be distinguished or a kingdom)

hichris123

*me

Happy?

Mysticial

When Google pushes changes, it doesn't always get to all the servers at the same time.

Depending on which server is where, an entire region may be "late".

Anna Lear

04:08

One of the databases went into read-only mode, but we don't really know why at the moment.

jmac

@hichris123 Too late, already booked my flight to Malawi. Thanks for the misinformation...

hichris123

@Anna Hats, waffles, and jQuery.

jmac

Fun fact of the day: Malawi used to be called Nyasaland. And it is a Republic, not a Kingdom.

hichris123

Or @Undo and I's comment flags.

Anna Lear

@Mysticial when we push updates, we just take a webserver out of rotation, so if you hit the site at that time, you'll get routed a different one. we don't flip to read-only for pushing regular code changes.

hichris123

04:10

@jmac Research project for the day?

Mysticial

@AnnaLear ah

jmac

@hichris123 I actually know a fair bit about Africa from previous research projects. Did you know that Namibia ranked better than South Africa on the corruption index?

Did you know that the US has more African colonies than Italy?

hichris123

Huh.

jmac

(actually, the Italy part is a lie)

(but the US does have a colony in Africa -- Liberia! It was settled by freed slaves, and they named their capital Monrovia after President Monroe)

Mysticial

The US has colonies all over the world. They're called "military bases".

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JoshC

04:12

Talk about imperialism.

hichris123

I'm leaving you people.

Too much research.

How do I leave a room on mobile?

jmac

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A: The Many Memes of Meta

Meme: name change to "Tim something". Originator: Tim Post (?) Mentioned: Tavern, May 14 2012 Background: Extraordinary ping-ability of the name @Tim. "Tim" Stone "Tim" ManishEarth "Tim" jadarnel27 "Tim" Site is a Forum "Tim" Yi Jiang "Timootinator" see note on usage specifics below "Tim...

Added as requested.

hichris123

@jmac look now

jmac

@hichris123 You broke the link!

hichris123

You fix it.

I'm on mobile.

Bye everyone.

Mysticial

04:21

cya

jadarnel27

Haha, I totally forgot that brown made it into the Many Memes of Meta (successfully).

Someday I'm going to tell the origin story of why brown is so important to me, and everyone who reads it will be very bored and disappointed.

michaelb958's a Sleigh

@jadarnel27 The story is "brown" repeated 100 000 times.

jadarnel27

@michaelb958'saSleigh Dude! Spoiler alert.

Some people.

Jeroen Vannevel

04:51

Vasil Lukach, Toronto, Canada

158 9

richfaces jsf-2 jsf java javascript eclipse eclipse-plugin

It's sad how many bad suggestions get accepted from this guy

jmac

05:30

@JeroenVannevel status-bydesign

Cole Johnson

05:52

@jmac Lets ban him

jmac

@ColeJohnson Or you could just flag one of his posts and explain it in a custom message to the mods. I think that may be easier.

Jake Stoeffler

06:05

Hey, sorry to bother you guys, but if you have a free minute I'd really appreciate if you could answer a few questions about your interactions with novice SO users (for an HCI study).
http://chat.meta.stackoverflow.com/rooms/666/interactions-with-so-novices
Thanks!

jmac

@JakeStoeffler SO, or SE in general?

Jake Stoeffler

@jmac SO

jmac

Ah, probably not a good candidate then, seeing as how I can't even close stuff.

Jake Stoeffler

Really anyone who has used SO much would be a great candidate :) Just looking for any input I can get at this point.

jmac

06:46

I know it's wrong, but I really want to edit the title of this question to read 'Portuguese' instead of 'Postgre'. I'm sure I'm not the only one.

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Q: Are these PostgreSQL hybrid tags useful?

Hybrid tags have been discussed before and the consensus seems to be that they are only useful in particular cases. I've recently found some tags that seem to be used just for problems related with a particular framework or technology when used with PostgreSQL: django-postgresql rails-postgres...

discussion stackoverflow tags

> "Are these PortugueseSQL hybrid tags useful?"

jmac

07:29

I want to test something. Could three people please upvote this:

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A: When should I make edits to code?

Reviewing Code Edits When in doubt, click 'Skip'. "Learn to love that Skip button." Editing Code in Questions Code in questions should only be edited for formatting and readability. Editing the syntax or correcting typos in code in questions can fix the problem that the person asking the quest...

And @balpha, could you take a look at this? Shog said you were the man to ask:

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Q: How are "Suggested Tags" chosen?

After you've typed in a question, you get suggested tags that appear that look like this: It appears that you need a minimum amount of characters (much like the limit on 'Similar Questions' in the right-side pane): you must have entered a title (any length) and a minimum body length of...

support tags suggested-tags

balpha

Yeah, I've shied away form answer this so far because it's a long story :)

jmac

@balpha Can you give the short version in a nutshell?

i.e. "I am just fiddling around with it and it has the potential to start the apocalypse if implemented wide-scale" or "It is a secret NSA plot to monitor your tagging habits" or "It's a lot of work I don't want to deal with right now"

balpha

Oh, I want to answer it at some point, I didn't mean to imply otherwise :) In a nutshell it's a somewhat-but-not-quite-bayesian classifier based on the words in text and title, trained on older questions.

jmac

@balpha So the more volume you have, the more useful it will be. Have you done any trial runs on beta sites (for instance, the Workplace, hint hint) to see how it works?

balpha

Yeah, that site is way too small. The training corpus should be at least around 20k questions.

jmac

07:42

@balpha Thanks for the answer. That makes me sad. It is such a great feature for smaller sites that are starting the categorization effort, and would be an awesome addition. Is there any way to improve it to use a user-defined dictionary to link keywords with certain tags?

(so that it would be possible to use fewer training questions when supported by a human-assisted starter dictionary. Like training it up to a 4 year-old level)

balpha

Not really. The way it works you can see why it classifies a certain text with certain tags, but the actual numbers can't be just made up. If you have some values not based on natural occurence in the texts, it won't work anymore

jmac

That is a shame. Thanks for the input anyway, makes me a bit sad about the result though. Suggested tags are such an awesome addition and I was thinking of all the possibilities...

Johannes Kuhn

07:58

What shall I do if the op finds the answer to his question himself after a few minutes and edits the answer into his question? It's a low rep user that usually has to wait until he can answer his own question, so instead he choosed to edit it into his question.

Mr. Peanut Monopoly McManish

08:22

@UndotheSnowman HTTPS has been there, just hidden, for a while now

Bart

08:35

Wow, I always had reasonable faith in serial voting detection, but something seems off. My rep for yesterday is still there. Or I'm just paranoid of course.

balpha

looking

Bart

Thanks @balpha. talking about SO here

balpha

yeah, I see those votes

Hmm yeah, those votes missed a threshold by a hair. We really have to improve some of those queries

Mr. Peanut Monopoly McManish

@balpha shouldn't that be sekrit?

Bart

All part of my big plan @Mr.PeanutMonopolyMcManish MUWHAHAehm /me strokes cat

balpha

08:41

oh yeah, I'm not going into details :)

Bart

Thanks for that anyway @balpha. I was convinced it would be gone in the morning.

Mr. Peanut Monopoly McManish

@balpha Yeah, but "by a hair"="go to Bart's profile and figure out the approx location"

balpha

I just said we have to change the values :) Also, knowing the sekrits, I can tell you it's hard to figure out the exact conditions from the profile

Danny Beckett

Just enquiring... I can't speak for the rest of the beta users, but Aviation just launched... can we getz hatz?

balpha

nope

Danny Beckett

08:46

:(

lol

Mr. Peanut Monopoly McManish

@DannyBeckett Much beta very young no hats wow

Danny Beckett

ah ok

well done on the #1 btw

Bart

2

Mr. Peanut Monopoly McManish

@DannyBeckett Logan will overtake me in a couple of days. Not going to be here for half a week starting tomorrow

thanks though

Danny Beckett

unrelated: how come my question isn't appearing under Newest? It shows on my profile. The total site question count hasn't increased from 26 to 27 either

Longer cache for betas?

comes up on search

Flyk

08:53

mornin'

Danny Beckett

n/m it just showed up... guess it is a longer cache

Mr. Peanut Monopoly McManish

Hmm, the Before it was cool hat is interesting

Flyk

yeah Logan has it

I need more caffeine

Mr. Peanut Monopoly McManish

It's not for Precognitive. Hmm

Flyk

if it was for precog or beta, lots of people would have it

Johannes Kuhn

09:24

Meeh, my last message is too long ago.

Duncan

The lengths some people will go to for their Copy Editor badge... stackoverflow.com/users/1458648/…

(I've flagged for a moderator)

Bart

Geez, what is the point in that

Duncan

Wow, I didn't realise how many pages back that goes.

I would have thought this would trip some kind of gaming detection. That is a lot of sub 5 character edits.

Flyk

If you don't have copy editor before you can edit without restrictions then you're doing it wrong

that does look quite abusive though

Bart

... how is that not abusive @Flyk?

Flyk

09:33

I... er... re-read what I said and then try again

Duncan

I think Bart is questioning your use of the word "quite".

Flyk

then I am questioning Bart's understanding of the language in use

stop confusing me, it's too early in the day and I need more coffee

Bart

Oh no, you merely have to question my lack of coffee

Words no make sense without coffee

Flyk

+1 for both using the coffee excuse within a few seconds of each other

we deserve a hat for that

Bart

It's always coffee

or caching

but mostly coffee

Duncan

09:34

brown

Bart

That too

Flyk

I got an early night last night and I feel worse than the two days I stayed up until an hour before work

damned hats affecting my sleep pattern

Duncan

I would argue that if you have copy editor before reaching 2k, then you've not really done very much except for editing.

Bart

And I didn't sleep last night. Which works wonders for me today

Duncan

It means you got less than 1k of reputation in the time it took you to make 500 substantive edits.

Flyk

09:35

@Duncan well since copy editor will get you to 1k rep, then you've generated another 1k from other actions

@Duncan 500 edits of a sufficient length isn't that difficult

plus it's easy to edit on any site regardless of your knowledge of the subject matter at hand

whereas to generate reputation by asking/answering there is a relative requirement of understanding the subject matter of the site

Bart

Looking at my history I got to 87 suggested edits before I reached 2k.

3ventic

That's why reputation from edits is capped, right?

Flyk

probably

SPArchaeologist

09:50

Hi guys. Just returned and still looking for the horn hat -_-

Which brings me to the other question... no one noticed anything strange on the bash site? Last year we had the unicorn appearing by gathering snow... I wonder if there is something similar this time.

Bart

You have to earn the horn. We're not going to give you the horn.... wait, that sounds entirely wrong....

SPArchaeologist

@Bart - Actually I have the strange felling that "10 of the most useless point" means 10 votes on a comment. Working on that right now. Also working on understanding what the script on the winter bash site is hiding.

Flyk

10:11

@SPArchaeologist it's 5x2, I believe

since I got a +17 comment and that wasn't eligible

10x1 might work as well perhaps? I did 5x2 though

SPArchaeologist

@Flyk - ok, will go around and see if I can increment one of your comment to 5

Flyk

no no, I have it already

and it's 5 comments to 2, not the other way around!

SPArchaeologist

Yeo, just noticed

Flyk

well I suppose 2 comments to 5 might work, just working with what I know though

SPArchaeologist

10:56

@Flyk - sorry, didn't notice your post. Thanks for the info. Anyway, I really miss a Cthul hat

Flyk

I need @<SE employee>

so I can state my demands and get hats for it

Mr. Peanut Monopoly McManish

I DEMAND COOKIES

NOW

Flyk

I'm holding you all hostage while we wait

move, and I set fire to you

Mr. Peanut Monopoly McManish

moves

Flyk

THERE WILL BE FIRE

Mr. Peanut Monopoly McManish

10:58

I'm a greek alphabet, I don't burn

Flyk

don't lie

everything burns

SPArchaeologist

anyway, this need a test, just in case there is a related hat.

<(?:"[^"]*"['"]*|'[^']*'['"]*|[^'">])+>

Mr. Peanut Monopoly McManish

@Flyk Hey, chem.SE mod here, I say that that is false :P

Flyk

@Mr.PeanutMonopolyMcManish my fire is not bound by your petty rules

Mr. Peanut Monopoly McManish

@Flyk The strongest oxidizing agent, for example, will not burn

probably some fluorine compound

Flyk

10:59

nope, now you're talking in a language I don't understand

SPArchaeologist

<(?:"[^"]*"['"]*|'[^']*'['"]*|[^'">])+>

? not working in the tavern?

Flyk

<(?:"[^"]*"['"]*|'[^']*'['"]*|[^'">])+>

?

SPArchaeologist

ummm

Flyk

is the world supposed to end?

Mr. Peanut Monopoly McManish

@Flyk Tu ne sais pas la langue? Le visage triste.

Flyk

11:02

@Mr.PeanutMonopolyMcManish non

Mr. Peanut Monopoly McManish

(I have no clue how the French say sad face, just cobbling it together)

Flyk

google translate more

I can't get used to this

Mr. Peanut Monopoly McManish

@Flyk Nah, I know enough french to put it together

Flyk

using Chrome Remote Desktop to access my PC at home

puts me in a really awkward position

SPArchaeologist

@Flyk - that string should trigger the chtulu egg...

Flyk

11:03

since I can't see the bottom part of the screen so have to type blind

or I can use the 'stretch to window' function

but because it sends all three of my screens over

SPArchaeologist

@Flyk but it doesn't seem to work anymore.

Flyk

I get a little bar of screens across the middle of the window

and then the chat box is too small

Mr. Peanut Monopoly McManish

@Flyk Tu dois etudier la langue! C'est la langue de BOOM BOOM!

Flyk

sets fire to @Mr.PeanutMonopolyMcManish

Mr. Peanut Monopoly McManish

@Flyk Le feu n'affecte pas a moi

OK, I think I made a mistake there

bleh

must revise french

Flyk

11:05

met le feu à @Mr.PeanutMonopolyMcManish

SPArchaeologist

@Shog9 - Sorry for bothering you, do you happen to know if the Cthulu chat easter egg has been removed? don't seem to work anymore...

<[^>]*[\^[^]]*>.*]

Mr. Peanut Monopoly McManish

@SPArchaeologist What did it use to do?

Flyk

set fire to all sane programmers in the immediate vicinity

SPArchaeologist

@Mr.PeanutMonopolyMcManish floating zalgo text all over the page

Mr. Peanut Monopoly McManish

ah

SPArchaeologist

11:14

It was a reference to this stackoverflow.com/a/1732454/1005187 @Mr.PeanutMonopolyMcManish

Mr. Peanut Monopoly McManish

oh, that I understand

Oded

11:32

brown

Mr. Peanut Monopoly McManish

@Oded brown!

SPArchaeologist

ufff . This is somehow funny. Keeping getting votes on questions/answer on meta when all I wanted was some vote on comments ^_^

Mr. Peanut Monopoly McManish

@SPArchaeologist hah

I'll help

Oded

It's a conspiracy

SPArchaeologist

anyhow, about the Cthulu egg... just posted a question to find out if anyone knows what happened.

@Oded - can I have a tinfoil hat?

Mr. Peanut Monopoly McManish

11:40

@SPArchaeologist api.stackexchange.com/docs/…

Flyk

Mr @Oded - I have worked out how to get the Eureka hat!

Oded

Oh? Do tell?

Mr. Peanut Monopoly McManish

fight club

Flyk

^

SPArchaeologist

@Flyk : beat the flash game "Socrates - Pro Phylo"?

Flyk

11:41

@SPArchaeologist no

Oded

You want a private room to tell me in, @Flyk ?

Mr. Peanut Monopoly McManish

Private rooms are being handed out like candy

Flyk

going to run out of rooms soon

Oded

Just made it private - rooms are not private by default.

Flyk

well that's because priviate is a mod function

SPArchaeologist

11:50

@Flyk @Oded - sigh, I wanted to know that too :P

Flyk

@SPArchaeologist 40 upvotes to a question on a per-site meta

(not mso)

SPArchaeologist

@Flyk - thanks, nice to know. Will be hard to reach on SharePoint... ^_^

Flyk

12:09

some of them really are hard to reach on certain sites

I had to wait days to get the reopen vote one

because Arqade is a relatively clean site

3ventic

My last reopen was 2 days ago

Must have been just before winterbash started

Flyk

there have been a couple since then

2-4 or so

most of them were meant to stay close though

3ventic

Yup

SPArchaeologist

anyway - speaking of hats - still searching to understand what the arrow in the knee reference was about.

Flyk

doge hat? much how? very need... wow

SPArchaeologist

12:36

- just got the Florence hat. Only understood the citation because of that Time Bokan episode...

SPArchaeologist

12:48

@Mr.PeanutMonopolyMcManish Just to know, not asking for the unlock code... but what would your IG-88 hat represent? is that a rocket or what?

Ak- remembered him now

Ep V.

Mr. Peanut Monopoly McManish

@ThiefMaster Btw, you may want to look into the review history of the approvers here

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