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12:37 AM
 
 
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5:29 AM
Happy Hour! (while having a nightmare)
My Nexus 5 is still going... uhh... not that strong, but still ok for daily usage of internet browsing...
It currently stucks on Android 7.1 (LineageOS 14.1) since it has been dropped for quite a long time...
Still wondering if it worths the effort to manually flash Android 10...
 
 
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Rob
6:45 AM
@MetaAndrewT. Each new version is a tiny bit faster and has a few more features; a three version jump will be more than an incremental upgrade and the improvement to device security alone is probably worthwhile. If everything is backed up, you're out of warranty, and you'd find it relatively easy to do then I'd recommend it.
 
 
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7:49 AM
What should i do if i have been receiving downvotes on my highly upvoted posts for a few days, the user doing this knows about serial voting and i think i know the user
 
@BabaYaga If the number of voted posts are enough to form a pattern, mod-flag one and ask for an investigation.
 
@M.A.R. it has happened in past,that's what i did last time and they stopped. Would it be ok to contact a mod again?
 
Well, if you're almost certain you're not wasting their time.
Some folks refer to a question with a score of 2 as highly upvoted. Other just don't care.
 
@M.A.R. let's wait for a few more days
@M.A.R. nah, three of them were on HNQ
or 2
i don't remeber exactly
 
Consider this: To avoid serial voting detection, they have to vote in a very slow rate. If you're earning rep and participating on the site, you will easily gain enough rep to trump any effects of sneaky serial voting
 
7:55 AM
@M.A.R. that's what i have been doing
Once I take a break, this happens
Not all are downvotes tho
 
8:15 AM
@BabaYaga Were the -12 and -18 days downvotes?
\o @rene
 
o/
 
How's it going?
 
@M.A.R. there was one on -12, the person doing this is well versed with SE policies
 
@M.A.R. not too bad, and you?
 
@BabaYaga So the -10 was user removed, or?
@rene eh
 
8:18 AM
@M.A.R. yes user removed
 
@BabaYaga well, what I see doesn't strike me as reason to be concerned about serial voting.
 
8:54 AM
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9:28 AM
@M.A.R. if you see a stick it might strike you
@MetaAndrewT. Sad Hour?
 
 
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11:06 AM
@mag I had this awesome horrible nightmare inspired by The Broken Earth and Big Hero 6. The metal corestones were like the microchips in Big Hero 6, gathering in impossible amounts and impaling people, who gave a quick shriek and then went silent, impaled midair
Frigging awesome
 
 
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Rob
1:30 PM
@Shog9 Ironically SE has answers to The Trolley Problem:
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A: How do I stop the train in chapter 3?

NedoYou need to go outside that room and follow the train tracks until the junction where the rails diverge (it is close, so don't go far away). From there at your right, you should see an elevated platform with some steps, go there. There's a yellow lever (or switch) that you need to pull and keep p...

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Q: What is the legal take on the trolley problem?

PraxeoliticFrom the Wikipedia page on the trolley problem: There is a runaway trolley barreling down the railway tracks. Ahead, on the tracks, there are five people tied up and unable to move. The trolley is headed straight for them. You are standing some distance off in the train yard, next to a ...

Of course, even a correct answer can't solve every problem.
 
1:51 PM
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2:02 PM
sdc tea Shadow
 
@Ollie brews a cup of green tea for @Shadow
 
sdc coffee Shadow
 
@Ollie brews a cup of Mocha for @Shadow
 
!!/coffee
 
@Ollie brews a cup of Latte for @Ollie
 
2:10 PM
@JourneymanGeek I don't.
 
@Rob I wouldn't be surprised if, if there ever was a real life trolley problem in these days, two years later the person that made a decision would get 'cancelled' because the person(s) they 'saved' did something a part of society find unforgivable :P
 
@Ollie you don't what? 😄
 
Find the new line height easier to read. Or is that not what you meant?
 
Ah
Well I wasn't sure what you meant
 
Yay! @Ollie's coffee still warm! :D
 
2:18 PM
I do find walls of text are even worse but I'm mixed on whether it's a bad thing 😄
 
hmm... coffee and tea together... @Ollie for this I need a cookie too.
!!/cookie
 
@ShadowWizardWearingMask No such command 'cookie'.
 
@ShadowWizardWearingMask Smokey doesn't have an oven or cookie jar.
:D
sdc tea Shadow
 
@Ollie brews a cup of darjeeling tea for @Shadow
@Ollie brews a cup of lemon tea for @Shadow
 
2:20 PM
@Ollie you don't what?
@Ollie oh, you need to reply to specific messages... ;)
Otherwise impossible to know what you reply to
 
Ah.
sdc coffee Shadow
 
@Ollie brews a cup of Affogato for @Shadow
 
Hah
Wow
status-coffee-overflow
 
Really?
 
Tavern will need to be evacuated soon! :D
@Ollie he can buy me a cookie
 
2:22 PM
bake, not buy, @ShadowWizardWearingMask.
 
meh I don't care if it's bought
I'll have those, they cost less than $3
 
My cookies are homemade and cost $0.
 
@Ollie not really? Unless you get the ingredients for free? ;)
 
Whoops.
 
lol
Usually it's still cheaper than buying of course, but difference isn't that big as we think.
My daughter started to bake, though still not alone.
brb, 🚽
 
2:27 PM
@ShadowWizardWearingMask
:D
1767.
1792 now.
 
Reputation.
 
umm
> Parents In Kitui Burn A Teacher To Death Over Poor Exam Results
That's where the image is from... o_O sokodirectory.com/2020/01/…
 
Ohhhh boy.
 
lol what you searched for to get it as first result?
 
2:34 PM
No.
1802 now.
 
Anyway, congrats for the reputation!
 
Only 75 in one day.
Still haven't hit the rep cap.
 
only 125 to go!
 
@Ollie anyway 2k rep over 2 months is impressive, think more than what I had.
Yup, took me 5 months to reach 2k.
Joined in October 2010, got to 2k in March 2011
 
2:39 PM
Let's see if I can have 2k every 2 months.
 
12k per year... yeah, not impossible. ;)
Well in the past there were actual "rep fests" where all answers got tons of upvotes.
 
@ShadowWizardWearingMask what do you think of the line height changes? meta.stackexchange.com/questions/353525/…
 
These days.... don't see it anymore.
@Ollie to be honest? Didn't notice any change, so don't have any opinion.
 
I kind of preferred the previous way...
 
But if it does annoy lots of people and SE did it without a very good reason, it's not good.
What's the reasoning behind changing from 1.3 to 1.6? Anyone said it officially?
 
2:42 PM
So it's officially official.
 
Yes but why making such a change?
 
@ShadowWizardWearingMask it's easier on people with cognitive disabilities - and is based on accessibility guidelines apparently
 
I just saw the dev saying it was set to 1.6 then as compromise he set it to 1.5 instead.
@JourneymanGeek easier to read with bigger spacing? According to many comments and answers, it's the opposite...
 
Comments are comments, but a study's a study
 
Study can be wrong...
 
2:46 PM
Answers are answers.
They can be wrong too, but still.
 
Answers can be wrong, but that's why we have upvotes and downvotes. Sure, upvotes and downvotes can be wrong, but that's .... hold on...
 
@JohnDvorak I should find the studies, I wonder who the focus groups of those studies were.
Apparently it's easier on people with cognitive disabilities, but I don't find it easier at all, the information density is lower which means concentrating and keeping engaged is harder, and the letters seem less solid on the white. I have the script now on my personal PC, but yesterday on the work laptop I didn't...
 
I've seen a script that colors alternate rows with red and blue. Supposedly it helps greatly to those with disabilities.
Far more than a wide line spacing can, I'd wager.
 
Heh, yeah, having everything in Dutch would help a lot of people with cognitive disabilities from the Netherlands as well... XD There's so many things that could be done....
 
no refernece to the flag; there are no white rows
 
2:52 PM
sdc coffee Shadow
 
@Ollie brews a cup of Affogato for @Shadow
 
I'll be going now
Ta!
 
On that topic I have a bit of a venting:
I get that people are upset and disagree about the change but I cannot understand why people then take that and decide that the best course of action is to be sarcastic, unproductive, and rude in comments etc.
 
@Rubiksmoose that too
 
Rob
@Tinkeringbell "User is suspended for 999 days ...".
 
3:04 PM
It common sense that if you want something changed, when communicating with that person, being polite, and explaining your reasoning is the best way to achieve that. Calling names/being sarcastic/being rude just hurts the cause you're fighting for.
 
@Rubiksmoose that is why I felt I had to link to meta.stackexchange.com/questions/314089/… on my SO meta answer on that same topic.
 
Rob
@ShadowWizardWearingMask We see!
 
I usually do try to avoid calling things awful, horrible, or detrimental and try to come up with arguments for changing them, because that hopefully makes me sound less like screaming 'who moved my cheese'. I've seen your feature request @MaxD, people voting here should probably also upvote that one and write some good answers with good reasons for changing it back. I understand people may be disliking this a lot, and I'm curious to hear if they have any additional good reasons I haven't mentioned yet... but please stop blowing up my inbox with 'yuck's'? — Tinkeringbell ♦ yesterday
;)
 
@Tinkeringbell Yes! I saw that comment and highly approved :) Also said much better than I did.
 
@Rob Oh, that might very well happen :P
 
Rob
3:06 PM
 
Hahaha
@Rubiksmoose On the other hand, it seems even coming up with good reasons to change it back is of no use:
Psychologists have been studying the effects of text presentation methods on comprehension and speed for decades, and the information presented by W3C is based on that research. Tons of research has repeatedly concluded that information from surrounding lines of text can interfere with reading speed and efficiency, suggesting additional spacing between lines of text is valuable. That's not even just for people with cognitive disabilities, who struggle more than usual. It is true of everyone. Stop attacking the research angle while presenting nothing of your own. We're done talking about this. — animuson ♦ yesterday
Which is sad, but luckily there's userscripts ;)
 
@Tinkeringbell Right. But that doesn't mean being rude is the next best step right? I get why people resort to it, but I think moving on to attacks just means the people being attacked are more likely to dig in further and get defensive not be more open to changing.
 
Yeah, better if people just shut up, but they usually need some sort of outlet..
 
@Tinkeringbell Such dislikes also make people who are in favor of the change feel left out
 
gotta run.
 
3:09 PM
@rene Nice! I didn't know of that post. :)
 
@SonictheMaskedWerehog There's always someone going to feel elft out
 
Also, the team has a general tendency to ignore requests to revert design changes filed shortly after the change is made, on the grounds that others should "get used to it"
 
Rob
Fortunately we can now flag those: 'I don't like it ...' or it's wrong, type comments as 'read, and no longer needed' (with differing results, depending on the moderator) and clean out non-constructive criticism - the unresearched, or unsourced, chimer.
 
Following that post, I added a second addendum to my answer on how to get official attention for meta requests, about such things and to clearly state objectively why one prefers the old style.
 
@SonictheMaskedWerehog I mean, it's a fair point that some changes just take some getting used to before their full impact can be properly assessed.
 
3:17 PM
I think Jeff used to put it as 'listen to your users, but don't let them tell you what to do'
 
@Shog9 I'm aware of this duality and it's a substantial part of the problem. People care, but what they care about differs, and the people I interact with have to act within the capacity they're allowed and do as they're instructed. CMs knew the core audience of meta users & moderators important, but the company collectively couldn't put resources there—the way I recall being told it took someone finding the data that identified highly engaged users to change minds.
 
@Aibobot ...which I interpreted as they should consider user feedback and make their own decision on whether to act on it or not, and if not, clearly acknowledge that they read the feedback and their reasons for choosing not to act on it.
 
Jeff being Jeff...
 
As far as I can tell, this was done in this case.
 
I doubt that is hardly the case
@doppelgreener eh... the company collectively didn't, and consistantly stripped out resources from that side of the company
 
3:20 PM
I've also multiple times dealt with CMs who ostensibly were compassionate toward actual suffering people were experiencing but the company had given them no capacity to act on it (for such a long time as to render any action almost useless, or not able to act at all ever, I don't know which).
I deal with people who do care being unable to follow through on that caring because of other groups that just don't.
 
@Shog9 Yes. I think reasonable bezel are great! My Pixel 3a has very nice ones that make it very easy to grab onto. I understand but am definitely not onboard with this whole trend of getting rid of them entirely.
 
@doppelgreener well to a certain extent, there was also (and I think there's folks better placed to disagree with me), a certain... misunderstanding of what made the CM system tick
 
And while I may be interacting with individuals, ultimately I am waiting on the company itself to show me it is reliably capable of letting those individuals act in the ways I want to see the company's representatives acting.
 
:D
@doppelgreener and getting more such individuals
though at this point, I vaguely trust the company to follow through on what they say they will do. The extent though matters.
Also occationally surprising us... cough
 
@Aibobot getting more individuals into the CM team will definitely increase their capacity overall to do things, so yeah, that's important
 
3:52 PM
@doppelgreener well - prasanth's post indicated cm roles so I am assuming at least two
part of me kinda hopes, in addition to getting some old community hands, some of it might be folks from outside 'traditional' CM sources
though, I'm not sure how they'd find out about it/want to do it
 
traditional sources being existing community members?
 
well, or people who are professional community managers, like Cesar :D
a lot of really good CMs of the past were people who didn't actually have roots in the community - folks like Aarthi
traditional might not be the correct word
 
i mean hiring professional community managers sounds like the ideal
 
I actually think, historically we might have had more from outside
well, yes and no :D
a professional community manager or a mod is going to have a fairly specific perspective
fresh eyes might be good
Maybe even get an intern :D
(I mean, as an old hand/mod I'm certainly hoping if I decide to apply I get it but... ;D )
and we do need to worry about reconnecting with the current/past community
 
@Aibobot You're still considering?
 
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