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Rob

12:28 AM

^^ Nominated for word of the year: "entrusiasm".

Journeyman Geek

12:41 AM

@user1306322 not as far as I know

Journeyman Geek

1:24 AM

also

Journeyman Geek

2:02 AM

I find the wider spacing easier to read ._.

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Rubiksmoose

3:43 AM

Honestly after giving it a bit, I also find the newer spacing easier.

At the very least not harder.

Mithical

4:01 AM

I don't mind the spacing, but I feel like on mobile at least all the text shrunk. It feels like I'm reading everything in <sub> tags.

Meta Andrew T.

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Journeyman Geek

@Mithical it looks smaller and the font looks different

but I got no A/B :D

Feeds

4:43 AM

stackoverflow.blog/2020/08/28/…

Baba Yaga

5:01 AM

@user1306322 I am at top for sci fic

Glorfindel

5:21 AM

@SonictheMaskedWerehog thanks for reporting, I'll have a look.

Tinkeringbell

5:41 AM

Morning! :)

Baba Yaga

@Tinkeringbell late morning;) (for me atleast)

Sonic the Masked Werehog

@Tinkeringbell Did you by any chance happen to see the SmokeDetector message right after your last message last night?

Tinkeringbell

@SonictheMaskedWerehog No?

Sonic the Masked Werehog

It's in the star board

Tinkeringbell

Does it need more handling?

Sonic the Masked Werehog

5:45 AM

No, but its title is...interesting

11 hours ago, by SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Misleading link, potentially bad ip for hostname in answer (23): Prevent green parrots dominating the bird feeder by Eagleman on gardening.SE

I hope you aren't feeling left out, as you're a red parrot :)

πάντα ῥεῖ

Red parrots rule :)

Sonic the Masked Werehog

(I'm not the one who starred it, I just noticed it in the star board right now)

Tinkeringbell

Ohh. Hah :D

Yeah, and red ones are the best so I like that person for getting rid of the green ones :D

Journeyman Geek

hmm

If red parrots hate red tomatos...

maybe green tomatos would repel green parrots

Tinkeringbell

I say you go propose that as an answer :P

Journeyman Geek

5:53 AM

lol

Meta Andrew T.

6:34 AM

Red vs green?

Tinkeringbell

7:15 AM

@MetaAndrewT. Red will always win :)

M.A.R.

7:31 AM

@JourneymanGeek Inorite

Journeyman Geek

7:43 AM

→ 19 messages moved to Chimney

πάντα ῥεῖ

@Tinkeringbell They are even that clever to put on green feathers when dominating the bird feeder to discredit their competitors ;-)

Tinkeringbell

Ssst! Don't give away our secrets.

πάντα ῥεῖ

gotcha

M.A.R.

8:11 AM

meta.stackexchange.com/questions/353525/…

Huh, it's been deleted. Nvm

Νеvеrꭑoꭇе

8:35 AM

just dropping by to share this:

in The Bridge on The Stack Exchange Network Chat, 2 mins ago, by Derpy

@Νеvеrꭑoꭇе 🐟

9:32 AM

@Rob gotta admit, this follow-up is a rather whitewashed retort that's only supposed to ruin the joke

Rob

9:45 AM

@M.A.R. We don't doubt that you would judge it that way, but that's what the author wrote for the remainder of the comic strip from where the Easter Egg was derived. Perhaps you should write them, and explain their joke to them.

M.A.R.

@Rob It's not so much as explaining the joke than how the latter panels precisely make the point in the former, except in an explain-like-Im-five way. You think it's a coincidence that only the first two panels keep getting memed?

But admittedly, I really thought this follow-up was some judgemental rule lawyer's attempt at making the joke "safe". The first two panels are that good. Beautifully complete.

Νеvеrꭑoꭇе

"THIS IS FINE" Meme recreated on DREAMS [PS4]

►

Journeyman Geek

10:14 AM

sigh

I'd like to point out, and I DO REALISE I AM DOING THIS MYSELF....

that it isn't necessary to get the last word in all the time

@Νеvеrꭑoꭇе also... is that animal crossing?

Tinkeringbell

11:17 AM

@JourneymanGeek Yep that's animal crossing.

Does anyone here play? I need 3 full grown white hyacinths.

Νеvеrꭑoꭇе

12:26 PM

@Tinkeringbell Pocket Camp to be precise.

Tinkeringbell

Ah, I'm playing on the Switch :)

Νеvеrꭑoꭇе

@Tinkeringbell yep, those are items from the last limited time event (one of the "chill out" ones, you just have 5 days to go around and pick up gyroids that you then use to build limited time items)

Tinkeringbell

Oh... it looked like the fish roasting over a fire from the Switch, which can be won with the fishing tournament IIRC.

And if you have one, you can go to Harvey's island and create a room full of them for pictures ;)

Νеvеrꭑoꭇе

you know, the mobile game is suffering from not-so-good monetization policies

Tinkeringbell

Yeah you mentioned that. The Switch game so far is still getting free updates, and free cloud saves ;)

Νеvеrꭑoꭇе

12:40 PM

@Tinkeringbell "Free".

Tinkeringbell

True, you pay 60 euros in advance ;)

You do have to pay for online play. That's a major downside.

Νеvеrꭑoꭇе

You still have to pay for the Nintendo Online thing, but it is at least understandable.

Anyway.

Shadow Wizard Wearing Mask

@M.A.R. what was the comment?

Νеvеrꭑoꭇе

@Tinkeringbell above are the items from the event. Bottom two rows are free, the two on the top row you pay for (and as you can notice, the lantern is an hand-held item. Basically every held item is pay-to-get in the mobile game...)

As you can see the free item are pretty bland.

Compare with the average gatcha paid-for fortune cookie item set:

Tinkeringbell

Well the candles and tv from the bottom row look nice to me, I don't think New Horizons has those.

I just got some hand-held items too, there were balloons and bubble sticks at the fireworks shows :)

Νеvеrꭑoꭇе

1:02 PM

@Tinkeringbell the tv only show static noise, probably a reference to The Ring

Tinkeringbell

Hah, nice! now I want it even more.

I started out with the idea to make my island kinda creepy but it turned out way too cute. Too many flowers ;)

Νеvеrꭑoꭇе

not really, they went for the lazy route with the tv. They should have had Nook face appear on it at random times. The actually good item there is the well, because villagers hide inside and then pop out to attempt to scare you.

Tinkeringbell

Aww that's cute! All mine ever do is run around, sit, fish, or water the wrong flowers.

Νеvеrꭑoꭇе

1:19 PM

@Tinkeringbell wait, I think you got it wrong.

In Pocket Camp, all villagers do is STANDING IN ONE PLACE.

They don't walk, they don't run, they don't interact with the world around them.

Only the ones you invite to your camp actually do something.

Whenever you enter the camp they choose where to stay and don't move until you leave.

Tinkeringbell

Okay, that's even more boring.

Νеvеrꭑoꭇе

The only thing they do is interact with some specific items they are close to.

Shadow Wizard Wearing Mask

meh

Νеvеrꭑoꭇе

Basically, they randomly chose what to do. Either they choose one of the items in the camp they can interact with, or they just stand still in the open.

Shadow Wizard Wearing Mask

Play FlyOrDie

Νеvеrꭑoꭇе

1:24 PM

Item interactions also aren't really that good. Some items give cute output (like them standing behind the counter of a shop like in the picture above, or sitting in a chair)... other are MEH.

Rubiksmoose

@Tinkeringbell Lol at "wrong flowers"

Νеvеrꭑoꭇе

For example, they will stay still in front of a light and continuously switch it off- on-off-on.........

It's kinda creepy.

Rubiksmoose

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doppelgreener

I've stopped playing animal crossing for the time being. All the QOL issues were getting to be too much.

Νеvеrꭑoꭇе

@doppelgreener The console or the mobile version?

doppelgreener

1:28 PM

@Νеvеrꭑoꭇе Console

There's a mobile version!?

Νеvеrꭑoꭇе

Pocket Camp, the one I was talking about just a little above.

Not very good.

Ruined by extreme monetization schemes.

Tinkeringbell

@Rubiksmoose I can only use so many yellow cosmos ;)

Νеvеrꭑoꭇе

My greatest issue with the mobile game is that it offer a single thing fans asked since the first game on the N64 was made.

doppelgreener

That makes sense. I saw other conversation happening about the console game but didn't remember any gatcha features that were part of it. ;P

Journeyman Geek

... gatcha...

those little egg machines?

doppelgreener

1:31 PM

yes

Rubiksmoose

@JourneymanGeek yup!

Tinkeringbell

@doppelgreener Are there particular ones you dislike?

Journeyman Geek

aka real life microtransactions for cosmetic... oh wait

Rubiksmoose

@JourneymanGeek Fun fact: Comes from the Japanese onomatopoeia word for the sounds the machine makes "gachapon" (ガチャポン)

Νеvеrꭑoꭇе

Ok, now want to see how you make a parrot angry?

doppelgreener

1:33 PM

@Tinkeringbell Aaaaaaaall the menu stuff, online play being behind 15 dialogs instead of inside a menu where I have to repeat all of them if I make any wrong choice, almost everything I want to do actually being locked behind multiple repetitive dialog windows, crafting in my home not accessing the home inventory, multi-crafting not existing, and some oth ers.

Νеvеrꭑoꭇе

The mobile game has a feature players requested multiple times in the console versions.

Pocket Camp Club Information - Animal Crossing: Pocket Camp

►

Tinkeringbell

@doppelgreener Ah, just the regular stuff then :P I agree most of that would be nice to have :D

Νеvеrꭑoꭇе

you can get a villager to follow you around. And change their clothes as you wish.

And... it is paywalled.

doppelgreener

They could also have shortcuts for item interactions (like L to drop an item you have hovered, X to eat it, Y to open it, etc) but instead it's in a menu I have to open and navigate separately making quick operations impossible. Also, there's no "eat multiple".

Νеvеrꭑoꭇе

4$/MONTH

Rubiksmoose

1:35 PM

@doppelgreener oof

Νеvеrꭑoꭇе

you would expect that in the 60$ console version you get a follower for free.... nope, the console games don't have that.

doppelgreener

And there's no audio controls at all! I can't turn off the music if I just want to hear the fishing audio but play my own tunes.

Νеvеrꭑoꭇе

It is the only thing from the mobile game I wish they would add to the actual console one.

doppelgreener

They have amazing attention to detail but dropped the ball on every common interaction and everything that is a menu or menu-adjacent.

Tinkeringbell

@doppelgreener I think you could eat whole stacks of easter eggs on bunny day? But that's the only time I saw it.

doppelgreener

1:38 PM

I think there's "eat" or "eat 10"?

Imagine Animal Crossing with the quality-of-life features we actually want | #ImagineAnimalCrossing

►

Tinkeringbell

@doppelgreener That's one that drives me nuts too. I'd love to have a few more waterfalls on my island, but the running water sound does drown out all else.

doppelgreener

Here, this mocks up almost all the things I said and then half again.

Νеvеrꭑoꭇе

@Tinkeringbell you can eat multiple fortune cookies at once in the mobile game. But you know, you pay real $ for those.....

doppelgreener

Warning: you will be cursed with knowledge of What Could Be. There are no take-backsies.

Tinkeringbell

Hahaha I'll look later tonight. For now I'm writing up e-mails to wrap up my workday and transfer some stuff to people so I can take my vacation next week.

Perhaps I should watch after vacation is over, that way I at least get to enjoy the game while vacation lasts ;)

Meta Andrew T.

1:40 PM

Shizueeeeee

wrong focus

doppelgreener

@Tinkeringbell good plan

Tinkeringbell

(I've read about/heard about most of these on the bell tree forums, so far they haven't really made me say that I can't play without them)

doppelgreener

I think actually seeing them fixed in action will be another level entirely from just hearing about it.

Tinkeringbell

Yeah. That's why I considered waiting until after...

Νеvеrꭑoꭇе

@Tinkeringbell there is another way. Play No Man's Sky and try to build and power a base without using the prefab rooms....

Rubiksmoose

1:44 PM

Look at doppel. Coming here and offering up fruit from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. ;-)

doppelgreener

@Rubiksmoose this is straight-up Apple of Eden business

Accept this knowledge and forfeit paradise

Νеvеrꭑoꭇе

Animal Crossing qol issue will seem small things by comparison.

Tinkeringbell

I'll stick with picking Animal Crossing apples for a while, I guess :P

doppelgreener

@Νеvеrꭑoꭇе we could just play Star Citizen, but that doesn't make Animal Crossing less bad. There's still plenty of games with excellent UX.

Tinkeringbell

Maybe I'll add some Stardew Valley in the mix this vacation.

Νеvеrꭑoꭇе

1:46 PM

@doppelgreener There is nothing like having to delete half your base because you forgot a cable and now you can't add it without removing some walls. :P

Stick to the cuboids ^_^

Shadow Wizard Wearing Mask

Hello @DanMullin

Dan Mullin

Hey @ShadowWizardWearingMask

Shadow Wizard Wearing Mask

Don't worry we don't bite here.

Dan Mullin

Lol

Shadow Wizard Wearing Mask

glaring at @Journeyman

Tinkeringbell

1:49 PM

I'll bite!

Hi :)

Shadow Wizard Wearing Mask

lol

Rubiksmoose

@doppelgreener Or maybe even Fallout where parts of your base would just randomly disappear.

Journeyman Geek

looks up from chewing on @ShadowWizardWearingMask's ankle

Shadow Wizard Wearing Mask

ouch!

Bad dog!

:P

Journeyman Geek

@Rubiksmoose 0_0

fallout 4?

Rubiksmoose

1:49 PM

Yup XD

Shadow Wizard Wearing Mask

@DanMullin so, back to business.... what did you do here?

Dan Mullin

I've been using Stack Overflow forever, but only recently started trying to build my reputation on there. I didn't realize I would be given the privilage to review things and failed miserably at it. Anyone have advice for this abosolutly thrilling topic?

Shadow Wizard Wearing Mask

People can't downvote you here. ;)

Dan Mullin

That's good :)

Rubiksmoose

@ShadowWizardWearingMask Obviously "Reviewed"

Journeyman Geek

1:50 PM

@DanMullin everyone makes mistakes :D

doppelgreener

@DanMullin Learn from your mistakes, you'll be allowed back into the queues later.

Journeyman Geek

just take your time, and work things out

Shadow Wizard Wearing Mask

@Rubiksmoose yeah, but based on that example we might be able to help him out. :)

Journeyman Geek

the system is designed to stop people who robo-review mainly

Shadow Wizard Wearing Mask

@JourneymanGeek nah @Dan isn't a robo

Rubiksmoose

1:51 PM

@ShadowWizardWearingMask (no worries I was just being a jerk ;-) )

Journeyman Geek

(fun fact. Mods can get review banned, and I once had it happen to me.. twice in a week(

Shadow Wizard Wearing Mask

@Rubiksmoose lol I know, I'm trolling people many times myself. :D

Dan Mullin

I got the privilege back today after being suspended from it for a week. Trying not to lose it again. I need those sweet delicious badges...lol

Shadow Wizard Wearing Mask

@JourneymanGeek ouch lol

@DanMullin pointing to ping above

doppelgreener

@Rubiksmoose I've got a lot of Thoughts and Opinions about Bethesda and how it handles the Fallout series, and its games in general, and they amount to "they are a trash fire". But at this point I have Fallout 76 just laying out all of the Bad Stuff for me.

Shadow Wizard Wearing Mask

1:52 PM

Look for the red pings, @DanM

doppelgreener

Or, most of it anyway.

Journeyman Geek

@doppelgreener I love the universe, hate the bugs :D

on the other hand.

Dan Mullin

Really...I've just been coding for awhile and wanted to contribute back to the community that's helped me for years.'

What are the red pings for?

Journeyman Geek

Cyberpunk 2077 hopefully will not have any game breaking bugs cause they bloody keep me waiting

Rubiksmoose

@doppelgreener Yeah I think 76 definitely just made the argument for everyone. Just... like look at it. Yikes

Shadow Wizard Wearing Mask

1:53 PM

@DanMullin to let you know "this message is for you"

Journeyman Geek

@DanMullin ask for who the ping pings. They ping for YOU.

Dan Mullin

Can I ping myself @DanMullin

Shadow Wizard Wearing Mask

I ping the pingers of all pings!

Dan Mullin

No

doppelgreener

@Rubiksmoose The thing is all their games are approximately this quality and approximately off the mark, but people fix it with mods and then go play the fixed game and remember that and Bethesda gets the credit for it.

Rubiksmoose

1:53 PM

@DanMullin With a userscript you can!

Shadow Wizard Wearing Mask

@DanMullin you can, let me show you....

@ShadowWizardWearingMask hello, I pinged myself now!

Meta Andrew T.

duck

Dan Mullin

@ShadowWizardWearingMask

@ShadowWizardWearingMask on that post, I downvoted the answer because someone posted a lazy answer on an 11 year old post

Shadow Wizard Wearing Mask

Rubiksmoose

@ShadowWizardWearingMask This sounds like some vague fantasy-guru advice. "When the notification rings, look for the red pings."

Meta Andrew T.

1:55 PM

@MetaAndrewT. hi

Shadow Wizard Wearing Mask

@Rubiksmoose yes!

@Meta we all tried :P

It's just a fantasy to ping yourself without editing

;)

Rubiksmoose

@doppelgreener Yeah :(

Meta Andrew T.

tried until tired :P

Dan Mullin

@ShadowWizardWearingMask How does one normally handle someone answering a question that is over 10 years old? Or you know...a few years old. Seems like an attempt to dig up a popular post or something.

Rubiksmoose

@DanMullin Make it a good answer and you need do nothing more.

Meta Andrew T.

1:57 PM

there's nothing wrong about answering a very old question, as long as the answer adds new insight than existing answers

Rubiksmoose

There's no bias against necroing a post with a high quality addition

Shadow Wizard Wearing Mask

@DanMullin OK, so that was a good review action. You lost reputation point because downvoting answer "cost" 1 rep, it's not related to review.

Dan Mullin

Noted. That one in particular was lazy and incorrect lol

Shadow Wizard Wearing Mask

@DanMullin if the answer is correct and adding new information it's OK and valid.

Rubiksmoose

@doppelgreener Honestly, F4 just drained every bit of interest in Fallout (and I preordered and played on day 1 and was super excited about it), F76 drained every remaining bit of respect I had for Bethesda.

Meta Andrew T.

1:58 PM

it can even be accepted if the asker is still active

Dan Mullin

@ShadowWizardWearingMask I see that downvoting on review costs a reputation point, but not when you downvote otherwise. Not sure why the difference. Only one point though

Shadow Wizard Wearing Mask

Anyway you were banned for failing audits, e.g. highly upvoted answer that you chose to downvote or flag. @DanMullin

Meta Andrew T.

downvoting answers always costs -1 though, downvoting questions is free

Dan Mullin

Yeah. I failed their fake test posts. I need to pay more attention.

Shadow Wizard Wearing Mask

@DanMullin indeed.

If you're not sure then just Skip.

doppelgreener

1:59 PM

@Rubiksmoose Fallout 3 was showing up with major problems for me, then Fallout 4 went and just compounded them. Bethesda makes a big deal about big open worlds, but doesn't make them meaningful worlds—FO3 is just a big expansive wasteland with the same assets repeated 30 times each.

Dan Mullin

@ShadowWizardWearingMask is there a penalty for skipping too many?

Shadow Wizard Wearing Mask

@DanMullin yes, but skipping once in a while is fine.

Rubiksmoose

@doppelgreener This. So much this.

Shadow Wizard Wearing Mask

If you see you skip too much then I assume review isn't good fit for you anyway. @DanMullin :)

doppelgreener

The repeated assets are not actually meaningful; any bandit-filled grocery store is the same as any other. They're just dotted and there. And then once you're inside the city, the subway stations are repeated, the super-mutant camps are repeated, the buildings are repeated. There's no actual level design making things into unique challenges. It's just "let's slap down some stuff. That'll do."

Dan Mullin

2:01 PM

Very true :)

Shadow Wizard Wearing Mask

I'm tired, need....

!!/coffee

SmokeDetector

@ShadowWizardWearingMask brews a cup of Ristretto for @ShadowWizardWearingMask

Shadow Wizard Wearing Mask

Now for you, Mr. Mullin

sdc coffee DanM

SmokeDetector

@ShadowWizardWearingMask brews a cup of Espresso for @DanM

Shadow Wizard Wearing Mask

Nice job, Smokey.

Rubiksmoose

2:01 PM

@doppelgreener There was no meaning to any of it. If the person wasn't a quest giver, they'd shoot you on sight and the game expects you to shoot people on sight without even investigating them. Even looking exactly like a [insert faction here] instantly shot on sight by [faction]. Then all quests being essentially fetch quests.

Shadow Wizard Wearing Mask

giving piece of spam to Smokey

doppelgreener

@Rubiksmoose right

And Fallout 4's major feature was you build a base lego style, but that's not actually a contribution to wandering the wasteland. It's just a new, separate toy. They were getting distracted by "let's add more cool stuff".

Rubiksmoose

One that was hella broken upon shipping

doppelgreener

When I saw Skyrim had an infinite quest system I saw a problem: "okay, so they're doubling down on no meaningful differences. So it's not just the world, but the quset content too this time."

Rubiksmoose

F4 was the most I've ever swung from an initial perception to hating the game. Just utter disappointment.

Shadow Wizard Wearing Mask

2:03 PM

@Rubiksmoose :(

Think I played Fallout 3 until there was a bug stopping me.

Rubiksmoose

I spent so much time in Skyrim XD. I was Jarl of everything.

@ShadowWizardWearingMask So, 5 minutes? ;-)

(I played F3 all the way through and enjoyed it)

Meta Andrew T.

@Rubiksmoose I don't think the intro movie is that short :p

Shadow Wizard Wearing Mask

@Rubiksmoose nah, I always try any possible move, so took me 2 hours to reach the bugged door... ;)

Meta Andrew T.

or I might be remembering wrong Fallout...

Rubiksmoose

I suspect I would like F3 less now that the flaws in Bethesda's game mentality are more obvious to me, but I think it will still be better than F4 for me.

Shadow Wizard Wearing Mask

2:05 PM

Skyrim was awesome, love the open world system.

I gained most my rep on gaming.SE from Skyrim, I think.

@DanMullin what games you play/ed? :)

Rubiksmoose

@ShadowWizardWearingMask Skyrim was definitely cause for many a procrastinated homework assignment for me...

Shadow Wizard Wearing Mask

lol

Rubiksmoose

Not that I needed an excuse to procrastinate them. I do that pretty naturally on my own.

user400654

I have the older versions of fallout, but i've never played them. ony 4 and 76. Really liked both

skyrim was great

but same deal, never played the older ones

Shadow Wizard Wearing Mask

For me Skyrim caused cut in sleep hours. From 5 to 4.

And I stayed at 4 because I saw I can. :)

Rubiksmoose

2:09 PM

@ShadowWizardWearingMask hah!

Shadow Wizard Wearing Mask

@Rubiksmoose you can try too, thank me later. :D

I played Skyrim 3 hours every night...

Rubiksmoose

@user400654 I actually have the older versions as well. Also never played.

@ShadowWizardWearingMask oh dear. Not to be that guy who one-ups things, but I have definitely been there. I once went 4 days without sleep. I would highly not recommend trying this.

Shadow Wizard Wearing Mask

@Rubiksmoose well that's... impressive. My record is 60 hours without sleep.

But sleeping 4 hours per night is easier than not sleeping 4 days.

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Rubiksmoose

@ShadowWizardWearingMask Much easier yes XD. And 60 hours is pretty much just as horrifying as 4 days health wise so I don't know whether to offer congrats or condolences. I was actually hallucinating at some points.

Shadow Wizard Wearing Mask

2:14 PM

@Rubiksmoose well it was during army training.

Rubiksmoose

@ShadowWizardWearingMask Ah well that seems much more reasonable. Mine was during exam week. Poor choices were made.

Shadow Wizard Wearing Mask

@Rubiksmoose yeah, so you passed those exams anyway? If so, huge kudos!

Also, what exams? Highschool, or college? @Rub

Rubiksmoose

Most of them anyways XD. I did fail my CS one, in part because I never ended up finishing the project. College.

Shadow Wizard Wearing Mask

hmm well I kind of failed my first year, but not due to lack of sleep.

I switched to different place, and same degree there was much easier.

Rubiksmoose

Smart choice I think.

user400654

2:23 PM

> Hey look at us, we're using our own site! yay!

Dan Mullin

@ShadowWizardWearingMask I’ve been playing video games since I was 5. Worked as a video game programmer for a few years at Savage Entertainment. My current favorite games include Skyrim, Horizon Zero Dawn, GT Sport, Dirt Rally 2.0, Dark Souls

Rubiksmoose

@DanMullin Nice! HZD is on my to-play-eventually list. DS would probably just have me quit after 5 minutes.

Dan Mullin

DS is worth it! The challenge makes every small victory that much more rewarding. You do die a lot though. Like...a lot

Journeyman Geek

2:40 PM

@Rob for your reference, and @Shog9's i.stack.imgur.com/7as21.png :D

@user400654 its a win still

better than "our own site is terrible, and needs to be ignored and allowed to burn to the ground"

doppelgreener

@Rubiksmoose Just the other day, I watched a video from HBomberguy called Bloodborne is genius, and here's why. In it he talks about how the Dark Souls series actually, accidentally, conditions players to play the game the worst, most un-fun way — and that Bloodborne conditions players to play it the most fun way.

Rubiksmoose

Ooo! I'll have to check that out because Bloodborne did actually pique my interest.

doppelgreener

The video is long but I summarised that part here in these messages. That's the game dev chat room, so I'm talking about both the gameplay aspect the player sees, as well as the design aspect that the designer would care about.

user400654

@JourneymanGeek it's simply an act. If they were participating in the sites the way they seem to claim they are, they wouldn't need to tell us. It wasn't something that we had to be told about 4 years ago because we could all see it in action.

even now all i see is "This is the way it is, we're not budging."

on literally every topic

doppelgreener

Though the message among those with the edit mark in the middle is meant to say “It makes trying to shield up and be as invincible as possible ... impossible.” at the end. I miss being able to indefinitely edit my chat messages. XD

The play conditioning issue could also be extended to tabletop RPG design! For example, D&D has fun ways to play, but it can often condition players to play in un-fun ways because that's just how the play conditioning unfolds. We get lots of questions about that on RPG.SE!

(see: abused gamer syndrome)

Journeyman Geek

2:48 PM

@user400654 maybe you merely see yourself

@user400654 and well the company culture changed in that time. For the worse

Have you considered that the message is also for folks in the company who are still unsure?

user400654

unsure of what?

Νеvеrꭑoꭇе

@doppelgreener Demon's Soul? Avoid healing? That game throws healing herbs at you like it rains.... By the end I couldn't pick them up because I had stack of 99 Full moon Herbs in my inventory... and Stockpile Thomas chest too.

doppelgreener

@Νеvеrꭑoꭇе Yes! Demon's souls! Avoid healing! He talks about how and why

Journeyman Geek

Also 'we are trying.' and in a sense they are trying to sell SE the network to a SO the company that isn't totally in touch

user400654

i will concede though that it appears as though they've listened at least for the reactions feature

for now

depends on what it turns into

Νеvеrꭑoꭇе

2:51 PM

@doppelgreener now you got me intrigued.

Will listen to the video.

user400654

release feature you know will flop, then be the hero that removes it

Journeyman Geek

@user400654 uh. So what has SE done lately that you are actually happy with?

What do you think they can improve?

user400654

i'd rather QA generally be left alone

improve chat, improve review systems, the tools

Journeyman Geek

Cool. So post FRs. Sketch out how these things would work

user400654

they're already out there

Rubiksmoose

2:55 PM

@user400654 If that's the way you choose to see things, nothing anybody here would convince you otherwise. I think the claim that the company intentionally released a subpar product just so they could save some face by retracting it as something that 1) doesn't make much sense 2) would take some pretty clear evidence to pull it from the realm of "conspiracy theory" 3) probably didn't even really work?

Journeyman Geek

I have a mod only quality of life improvement I set out that I hope gets looked at

I would second additional work on chat

user400654

@Rubiksmoose I'm aware, i wasn't being completely serious

Rubiksmoose

Improving chat would be something I would love to have happen.

Journeyman Geek

@Rubiksmoose it probably works fine on teams

For some at least

Rubiksmoose

Mhm

@user400654 my apologies. I missed that.

Journeyman Geek

2:57 PM

I would start with having chat and meta on the left bar 🐶

user400654

wouldn't that interfere with their teams interface on the left, at least for SO where teams resides?

Journeyman Geek

Move chat to common mark + responsive design + stacks

user400654

that was one of the first major changes to this network that i absolutely hated

Journeyman Geek

@user400654 it also has careers sooooo

Meh

user400654

it felt like they took away a functioning navbar under the guise of making it more mobile friendly... just to fill the menu up with paid product service

Journeyman Geek

2:59 PM

@user400654 maybe but that also means a dedicated period of active development

user400654

then they literally put a paid product menu at the top in place of the old navbar!

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