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12:49 AM
... only 200K views, because a lower-quality version comes up higher in Google search :(
Anyway, the video came up by association with some of recent events.
No need to say whom I picture in place of Björk here.
 
 
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2:50 AM
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in body (96): Many people truely place their self assurance by dirk on askubuntu.com
 
3:07 AM
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword with email in body (60): Learning Chinese language online with Ms Deng by Deng Xingmei on chinese.SE
 
asked a question, was about to leave, an 800+ post caught my eye -- seems there's been a lot going on these days -- why don't lava hot MSE posts show under HNQ! (I feel bad asking my silly question now)
 
3:48 AM
Because meta sites aren't in HNQ
 
 
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[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in body, body starts with title and ends in url, pattern-matching product name in body, potentially bad ns for domain in body, potentially bad keyword in body, +1 more (296): Starch and two-fold sugars are broken down into single sugars by amari2ch on wordpress.SE
 
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[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Url in title, bad keyword in body, bad keyword in title, blacklisted website in body, blacklisted website in title, +5 more (689): fitnessproductcenter.com/velofel/ by sanseein on graphicdesign.SE
 
42 messages moved to Chimney
 
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[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Username similar to website in answer (58): What is the best solution to move from Outlook Express DBX files to Outlook? by devicesupport on superuser.com
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Blacklisted website in body (99): What is Big Data Hadoop? by Dhanam Priya on meta.SE (@SonictheAnonymousHedgehog)
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5:56 AM
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Url-only title, bad keyword in body, bad keyword in title, blacklisted website in body, blacklisted website in title, +4 more (691): faqssupplement.com/brilliance-sf-крем/ by karishjotiosns on askubuntu.com
 
meta.stackexchange.com/questions/334198/… needs a closevote, and a delete vote once done
 
@JourneymanGeek needs 1 more
 
Its done
Now I nap
 
6:14 AM
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Link at end of answer, potentially bad ip for hostname in answer, potentially bad keyword in answer (62): How to split .zip files and join them in Windows? by Harry Brown on askubuntu.com
 
 
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7:23 AM
@410 attributing a feminine gender to a generally undesirable animal is or will be a form of misgendering
 
@john .....what.
 
<sub>For a first hit I won't flag it.</sub>
 
@john actually it's female mosquitoes that bites
 
@OptimusPrime one genus where this is not true and we're all wrong
smile, you're being judged by a future with no competence to judge your time
 
@john mosquitosquad.com/greater-dc/about-us/blog/2014/july/… They need blood to grow mosquito eggs in their stomach
Male won't lay eggs. So, they don't need blood
The first post in MSE regarding current situation is close to 1K votes.
 
7:35 AM
@OptimusPrime what about a mosquito genus where male is preferred to bite and then pass blood to female when found a safe harbor place
 
My sock got The Overflow o_O
 
@john when considering their body shape, I afraid they can't do liplock
@Shadow which's your sock
Wait.. I have a sock.
forgot it
Can't find it
Notice I lost my sock somewhere here. His name is bumblebee and he looks like this. If anybody find him, please inform
2
 
@OptimusPrime to be honest, no idea. It's not my ordinary sock.
(which didn't get The Overflow)
I do remember creating a third sock once to test something but forgot how and what credentials.
@OptimusPrime I can smell your sock
 
@Shadow if you signed in to all mail address in android, gmail -> all inboxes -> from:stackoverflow may help
@Shadow really?
listening one of my fav song
 
8:20 AM
@Bart agreed
@OptimusPrime nah I know the email, probably can retrieve it back but can't be bothered ;)
@OptimusPrime yes! :D
 
 
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10:01 AM
@Oded hey good to see you here!
I agree with your comment about Stevve not letting that happen... looks like all the good people are gone from SE by now. You're among them, and the top was Jaydles.
He would have never let SE become what it became.
Crappy ads just stink, but kicking good people out in cruel ways and for absurd reasons is way worse.
Anyway.... we still have coffee to relax, even in those dark times.
!!/coffee Bart
 
@Shadow brews a cup of Macchiato for @Bart
 
It was already becoming it then. Unfortunately, this is the effect of being VC funded.
 
@Oded but it's funded for years.... no?
 
user351483
!!/coffee Shadow
 
@Snow brews a cup of Mocha for @Shadow
 
user351483
10:06 AM
Well hot shit - I love that feed.
 
@Shadow Sure, but after a few years... they want their money back.
 
@Snow huh?
@Oded ohh... wait, you mean it was a loan??
40M, right?
Still, no amount of money justifies what they did to Monica, and that's the single thing that blacklisted the company in my eyes.
 
VC funds put money into companies with the expectation of making a profit within a few years. If that doesn't happen fast enough for them, they can influence a lot - to try to make the company profitable.
It is a deal with the devil.
 
@Oded I see. This explains the evil ads.
Still... got nothing to do with the true shitstorm.
 
user351483
@Shadow Sorry - that's the first time I've seen this usage before. Surprised and delighted me.
 
10:09 AM
The thing with Monica is a symptom of the priorities changing.
 
@Oded really?? Please, explain. I have time. (Well, not now... later... but can read. ;))
@Snow oh you mean the coffee? lol
 
Focus is on making money, not on keeping a happy core community.
 
!!/tea Snow
 
@Shadow brews a cup of green tea for @Snow
 
@Oded no... still not that... it's basic and core human behavior which is at fault here.
 
10:12 AM
Anything that isn't Stack Overflow (i.e. - the rest of Stack Exchange) is seen as a distraction.
 
!!/blame᠎ ⁠
 
@user58 It's Joel Spolsky's fault.
 
Yep
Guy hadn't been at the helm for years.
 
whaaat
oh
hehe @user58 you're genius. :D
@Oded I do wonder if Monica's ass kick was approved by him.
 
I doubt that such a decision went that far up.
I would be surprised if the new CEO is unaware of the situation, though.
 
10:14 AM
Agree. And he's really not involved much. And the new CEO? Is new.
 
@Oded here's the frustrating part
stuff got a lot better
 
If not, he's the only one who can somehow fix some of the damage by bringing her back and kicking out those who kicked her. But it won't happen.
 
and was getting better
 
was
 
I read the transcripts. Monica wasn't blameless, but the reaction was egregious.
 
10:15 AM
Like a train going uphill, then falling to the abyss.
@Oded oh you're still a mod?
 
Huh?
 
@Oded it all happened in TL
 
AHEM
 
oh
 
10:16 AM
Still, surely not all of them.
 
The main bits - gives you enough context.
 
People snitch
 
It was badly handled.
 
I'd be surprised if folks who left in good standing didn't hear of it
 
The main bits were mentioned across several posts in MSE too.
 
10:17 AM
...been trying to keep that under wraps for the most part. Really don't need more people searching for stuff they're not supposed to see.
 
The dirctor - came in, stated the new law and... silence, while the TL went into overdrive.
 
@Oded I've kinda said this, directly, to anyone who would listen
 
No back and forth, no apparent inclination to reconcilliate different points of view (which is what mods do)
 
that said, well
 
@Oded Like throwing a burning match into ants hill and walking away.
 
10:18 AM
Yep.
And then upping the ante by throwing fuel on it.
 
as hard as it is - assigning blame and going "ITS THIS PERSON'S FAULT" dosen't work for our interests
its so easy for people to circle the wagons
The damage is done
The work here is to get it from getting worse
and trying to help folks stop it from happening again
 
I am just annoyed - this is a person that has zero (!) posts on MSE.
 
MSE cause panic attacks for SE staff so....
 
The whole "listening to the community" seems to have gone.
Because people are not being honest and genuine. And when the community sniffs that...
 
@Oded To be honest... even this wouldn't be a breaking point for me.
 
10:20 AM
@Shadow ...
 
user351483
@JourneymanGeek and showing that what happened and how it happened is unacceptable
 
the past week was hell for me
@Snow it is
 
@JourneymanGeek someone from SE said it directly in those words.
 
@Shadow I've been in tears over this
and not always cause someone was an absolute dear and reminded me why I do this
 
user351483
I've had sleepless nights for almost three weeks thinking about this.
 
10:22 AM
@Snow "this" is... ?
 
@Shadow ooh
so many things
 
You mean the TL drama before it blew up?
 
@Shadow oh man
lets get started
That we lost a few mods cause people were dumb and refused to use the correct pronouns
that no one noticed or did anything - and I do mean us too
the whole way this happened
 
Just be careful. Not everything is public yet.
 
what its doing to the community
 
10:23 AM
@JourneymanGeek That's the end, not the start... ?
 
@user58 all this is public
@Shadow well something triggered this desire to refine the COC
 
You mean mods resigned before all this started?
hmm
 
@Shadow Yes.
...after this is all done, I'm taking a long vacation from all SE responsibilities...
 
Well..... if someone will address me as "she/her" in comments or chat I'd not be happy about it and at some point will flag it. But suppose a mod is also involved in the comments/chat as third, neutral, party.... I would not expect that specific mod to handle it. I'd be totally fine with the mod staying away.
And from what I understand, the new policy is to force that mod to take active part.
 
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in link text in body (68): Which are some of the best software consulting companies? by Halcy Tech on meta.SE (@SonictheAnonymousHedgehog)
 
10:27 AM
@Shadow Not.... really.
 
@Shadow I dunno, I didn't get it. I gathered even "they" wasn't good enough?
 
Anyway it doesn't really matter....
@M.A.R. very true
 
Part of me really wants to know that dirty little secret that's now in the mod-only room, but a bigger part of me is just too tired of this BS, honestly.
 
"they" will be considered as direct insult when directed at someone who wants to be addressed as "he" or "she".
 
I don't care anymore who's right or who's wrong or who I should be angry at. I just don't care.
 
10:29 AM
!!/care @M.A.R.
 
@Shadow Brown!
 
@Shadow It's... more nuanced than that.
 
The problem is that the policy is not clear and had not been made clear. Concerns have not been addressed in the least.
 
See. So why the heck should I care.
 
@M.A.R. you should not.
 
10:31 AM
In the effort of protecting the feelings of a certain group, the feelings of another group have been completely set to the side. There's irony in that somewhere.
 
Damage has been done. I'm usually an optimist but I don't think there's any return anymore.
 
I also don't care yet.
@M.A.R. true
 
@Oded Some of this has become too much of a religion for people, even more so than Abrahamic. Vicious cycle, people forget that others disagreeing with them also hold moral standards and even when past prejudice and exclusion is seen with hatred, new forms are being embraced.
Well, like @Journey says. Instead of shouting in the dark, light a candle and blow up the bar.
 
Ironic that the people who want to be included and who shout off rooftops about intolerance are themselves the ones who exclude and are intolerant.
 
@Oded not sure that's the core issue but yeah, if it is, it sucks and ironic big time.
 
user194636
10:39 AM
@JourneymanGeek Are you certain those are the best words you could have chosen there?
 
Let's not dissect this more than necessary. Exact phrasing aside, people did indeed resign over this before this blew up.
 
Assumption of malice over assumption of best intentions. And overreaction by SE.
 
user351483
Yep. We all need to be pissing in the right direction moving forward - there's no need to make our shoes any wetter than they are right now.
 
What if there's wind? :(
 
I'mma link back to what I said at the very beginning of this. Most things are still not public, even if you've seen part of it. There have been ~20k messages in the TL about this in the past week, and a lot of relevant information is contained in transcript before this week anyway. Be wary of working without all the info.
Sep 28 at 20:21, by Mithrandir
There's a lot of complicated and nuanced stuff happening, mostly in private at the moment. Public speculation and discussion is really not going to be helpful at the moment; please respect that.
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10:44 AM
Of course it's like that.
But the silence from SE has been deafening.
10
 
user194636
@user58 That's not my point. The message will read to many as solely blaming Monica. I am fairly certain that was not JG's intent, so I pointed it out as gently as I was able.
 
There's been some talk with staff in the mod spaces. But yes, I'll agree that they're not communicating well.
 
And they need to be communicating publicly. At the places where the community expects to be communicated with.
 
@user58 really? They.... talk??
 
Being scared of MSE/MSO is a copout.
 
10:46 AM
A wild Oded appears ....
 
rofl
Red Oded
 
Brown.
 
eww
Oh not that brown
 
:D
 
@JoshDarnell is here too! :P
 
10:47 AM
Brown is me
 
No!
 
You red.
 
You purple
 
Meh, I just made a general remark
 
General is high ranking
 
10:48 AM
People take language way more seriously than they should in some aspects, and not seriously enough in all the others.
 
@M.A.R. Too true.
 
I should just make generally true general remarks.
Bananas are a source of uranium.
 
user271002
@M.A.R. uhm
 
Er, I mean antimatter
 
user271002
better
 
10:50 AM
It's plutonium and antimatter
 
user271002
They go well together.
 
It's a collusion
 
Pluto is a nice dog.
 
Space and rays and sh!t.
@Shadow You'll make Journey jealous
 
user271002
 
10:52 AM
@PaulWhite I was misquoted
@PaulWhite they are lyrics of a song
 
By Journeyman Geek.
 
It is better to light a candle than to curse the dark instead
Last ride of the day - by nightwish
 
@JourneymanGeek said every David Beaty ever
 
It's part of my 'this is not fine but I need to keep on going' playlist
@Oded MSE is hard
 
I'm also part of that playlist
 
10:55 AM
But there are people willing to help
 
ahem ahem cough clears voice Laaaaaaaaa!
 
@JourneymanGeek yes. But that's not a reason to completely avoid it.
 
I'm such an opera . . . guy. Singer. Thing.
 
Programming is hard.
 
@Oded and this is part of a broader conversation we need to get started if TPTB will listen
 
10:56 AM
Dealing with large groups of people with different backrounds and wants and needs is hard. Always.
 
@Oded it is
 
No
 
And one can learn how to make such interactions... less difficult than they have to be.
 
'Always' needs a mathematical proof. Nitpick of the week.
 
Always with the nitpicking.
 
10:57 AM
@Oded here's a fun thing
 
And even a mathematical proof the interpretation of that mathematical proof.
 
I know a few folks who have been absolutely heroic here
 
Thanks, it's no big deal.
 
I can't even acknowledge them without betraying their confidence
@Oded it is
 
I'm such a modest person.
 
10:59 AM
But well
 
@Oded I can't help but feel that all large actions by the company have only intended public appearance in mind, not actual inclusivity
 
Jeff actually had a great foundation built for that
 
Since the welcome wagon
 
@AndrasDeak I can see that. And it might just be lke that.
 
10:59 AM
Joel built on it
 

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