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1:59 AM
Hello! This meta post mentions "A question with an accepted answer isn't as likely to receive further attention as one without an accepted answer.". I know that sounds just right, however, has there been actual statistical research into this? Do we actually know for sure that - on average - views on questions with quick accepted answers are less than - say half - of those with not quick accepted answers? Thanks!
2:33 AM
sd 2k
@GaurangTandon Someone with SEDE skills may be able to answer that for you?
(bad attempt to summon someone with SEDE skills)
Apparently I pocket-bought an audiobook... weird. Got notified of the purchase out of the blue... granted, it's the author narration for the book I had opened in Kindle app, but I haven't used the app all day.
Luckily, the book was Tenth of December so no real regrets. Changed Amazon password just in case.
3:09 AM
@ShadowWizard a meta post, posted on the main site, migrated to meta, but then closed, thus got returned back to the main site. (the timestamp just to hide the obvious reference to the post, even though it's still findable manually)
@JourneymanGeek fair point
(Voluntarily deleted)
(I edited that FAQ with a section on own posts, accidentally created a second account, etc.)
3:44 AM
And heh. Very interesting voting spread on that. And I do think I need to clean up the question a little more.
@JourneymanGeek Shog once said that for Community deletions, it's important that users know and understand the specific criteria that caused their question to be Roomba'd.
Also, if a mod deleted one of my posts, I'd want to know from them why they deleted my post, as opposed to unsubstantiated speculation from other users. Remember my prior example of animuson deleting my positively-voted user215114 post?
4:00 AM
@JourneymanGeek One more thing that I'm concerned is: what if the OP brings it to meta asking about the detailed reason for the deletion? Sometimes other users can chime in to guess, but only the voters themselves know the reason. In the end, they have to declare they're the voters..?
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in body: Building a toaster by Mgb2504 on electronics.SE
@HTTPS Nice Name
@SurajJain heh, thanks to @SFTP :)
@HTTPS I am thinking to take one for me too, how about WebRTC??
No one is here to witness me training my autonomous (toy) car :'( 😥😓😰😢😭 ... But luckily I have 3 chicks, I can have a (forced) supportive crew of three! 🐓💖☺️😆😂😄🤣
4:05 AM
@TelKitty YouTube Live!
@SurajJain feel free ;)
that's after you have successfully trained your car ... and chicks :p
@GaurangTandon sorry, no statistic, but I think "further attention" more-or-less means "users who only want to answer (to get rep)".... and some users do only care about non-accepted questions on their questions list.
:6861873 tpu-
@HTTPS I'm not actually worried about that since at that point they're clearly going through the proper channels and obvious trolls are obvious
and I've on occasion answered for other mods
4:40 AM
@JonEricson very nice answer
@TelKitty I think I'm dying of exhaustion! :D and I can't go online tonight I used up all the data I bought
@YvetteColomb :(
It'll be worth it in the end?
yes indeedn
she's getting close. She's bothered by having her belly touched at all. I thought she may be going to have the baby today/tonight
@YvetteColomb but your foals are unharmed so far :)
4:47 AM
@TelKitty stop being reasonable woman hahahahaha
5:08 AM
(^^Relevant specifically to Tavern on the Meta)
Meh. Wrong fp feedback is no big deal.
And it makes more sense to optimize for correct actions, not for mistaken ones.
@SFTP In that specific instance, I got a stern ping for it, because it was conflicting feedback and false-positive feedback on an autoflagged post.
@TelKitty woah, can't wait for the result!
5:20 AM
@TelKitty Robotics is something I'm interested in. A while ago I captained a team that made it to 2nd place in a local autonomous robot competition
One insidious way I used to get attention for bug reports in the age of anonymously editing: put "this is a known bug" into the FAQ
You can downvote without commenting (this is a known bug)
or a known feature.
@HTTPS I'd describe the bug in the FAQ, then link to the bug report with "this is a known bug" in the title. My hope was that others reading the FAQ (or reviewing my edits) would come across the bug report and get attention for it.
That's.... not the point of a FAQ
the point of a FAQ is to find common things people need.
Not point people at bug reports
5:37 AM
@JourneymanGeek That's why I said...insidious
Also kinda abusive of the system
6:13 AM
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in body, blacklisted website in body, link at end of body, pattern-matching website in body: which has been bruise Fasten by animalistic by Appi the on drupal.SE
6:24 AM
@HTTPS so why sad? Looks like typical off topic rant being closed, doesn't really matter where it was originally posted... those who migrated should have voted to close as off topic instead.
Since you don't want to share what question is was, can't really judge how bad it really is/was.
@TelKitty typo in folder name: should be "useful stuff for server admin".
@SurajJain be quick, their names will change soon enough. ;)
@SonicWizard no emerald was needed after all
@ShadowWizard Not true, you used Chaos Control on it
@SonicWizard while sleeping? Doubt it... my powers are turned off when I sleep.
@ShadowWizard You edited the duplicate links; that requires a Chaos Emerald.
@SonicWizard oh, you mean that, lol... yup.
I wouldn't have used the hammer to close as dupe of the merge faq, but it does fit as secondary dupe.
6:45 AM
@SFTP ... or amazon needs the money ...
7:00 AM
@ShadowWizard that's why I don't like to share screenshots in public or self made apps with friends - someone somewhere ... will find a misspell somewhere :'(
Must admit, first time hearing "pocket bought"... so far heard about undesired calls made this way, leading to funny moments... ;)
@TelKitty that they find it is not the problem ... the urge to tell you about it is ...
My device requires swiping the screen to open it, so far didn't happen while inside my pocket.
I set mine to use a pin or face/finger rec cause I kept butt dialing ;p
@JourneymanGeek pin is headache, I never used it
7:04 AM
@ShadowWizard but its needed for the latter
And still never owned a device with finger print scanner, I'm bit behind. lol
and finger scanning is nice if its a front scanner
OP's face rec is fast
I tend to buy 'nicer' phones lately so the last two have had em
@JourneymanGeek since I consider phone as device for making calls, mainly, and maybe have some fun as the secondary target, I don't spend much money on that, and buy the cheap models.
@ShadowWizard heh, I use mine as an internet box mainly
I find it much easier doing from computer.
@TelKitty so don't share.... or remove everything but the relevant part of the screenshot.... ;)
Did you fix the typo? :D
7:07 AM
(also the OP 3 was decent value for what I got, and I loved it enough I replaced it when a op5T when it broke... twice...
I saw more than once screenshots posted on programming forums which contained desktop folders like "porn" or "xxx", lol
Just name it something innocent
like "stuff"
Don't think on SE though... people there are just too careful. ;)
7:39 AM
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword with email in answer: Mirror reaction - avoiding silver nitride by Professor Dr Susai Rajendran on chemistry.SE
@SmokeDetector fpu-
@πάνταῥεῖ not spam IMO. but I edited it into shape. Now we wait for approval of my edit
@rene THX, I should go through the commands list again.
7:58 AM
umm.... looks like 100% spam to me. Flagged. Don't want to mess with Smokey though, so no k from me.
Phone, email.. what else you want to make it spam?? @rene
It's even worse than baba who only gives phone.
@rene it's good that they tell me about it - maybe you can't avoid making mistakes, but you can minimise loses
@ShadowWizard I think the user is slightly clueless and tried to add a signature at the end
8:19 AM
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Potentially bad keyword in answer, blacklisted user: How to find and delete duplicate files within the same directory? by Elijah Brock on unix.SE
@πάνταῥεῖ [:6861996] Body - Position 27-50: Duplicate Files Deleter
8:38 AM
Joel is right of course, we live in the Stack Overflow Age... But closer to its end than its beginning, methinks.
@SFTP It would take a major scandal or a workable alternative.
and I don't really consider the twitter storm the former.
8:49 AM
Hi @JourneymanGeek. I thought that (or ) and perhaps might be suitable for your question: Could we hide who deleted a post from normal users?
I thought that maybe instead of editing the tags into your question and seeing how they are subsequently edited further, I might as well ask here. (Since you've been active in chat recently.)
heh. Thanks for the consideration. And yes, those look appropriate - other than revision history
BTW is there a separate tag for that big banner which appears under closed/deleted posts, explains reason for closure and lists the close voters?
I have no idea. I kinda suck at tags and just throw the bare minimum I neeed
I've mentioned revision history because it is one of the places where delete voters are displayed (and so is ). But probably those tags not needed here.
I was specifically thinking of the one under a deleted posts
I've had 3-4 people turn up on my blog asking about stuff I did on SU, and quite a few were abusive :(
Alsom deleted-answers would be appropriate here
8:52 AM
So the proposal is only to remove the delete voters from the banner, not from revision history and timeline?
Most of these were answers
tbh, I didn't even think about those
I see.
Probably it might be good to clarify that in the question.
anyone can see the revision history on their own posts, right?
and timeline?
When I read that proposal is to "hide who deleted the post", I naturally thought of the usual places where I see such things. (Especially if the post was undeleted in the meantime, I can only see deleted voters in history/timeline.)
for some reason I'm thinking timeline as something mod only
8:55 AM
I think everybody can see history/timeline of any posts which is not deleted. And probably of their own deleted posts.
Well, it's true that moderators see more things in the timeline than regular users do. (And maybe in revision history too...?)
lemme check
a bit more, and the UI is more obvious
ah looks like it
but looks like little/no difference between mod and 10k views
A moderator mentioned to me this in chat: "I can see flags and reviews, but not deleted comments (on the timeline)." Certainly regular users do not see flags.
true, but I'm not really too worried a mod will start trolling me ;p
From another moderator: "Yes, individual close votes only appear in the moderator timeline, not in the public one."
or a experienced user
8:59 AM
Yes, that was just reaction to little/no difference between mod an 10k views.
I can see who closevoted in the 10k views
(or on the site proper)
and so far, maybe I'm short sighted, but I'd rather have closevoters visible - its an essential part of how the site runs
I see who deleted/undeleted on the timeline even when I am not logged in. So I guess this is accessible to any user who can see the question.
The same is true for revision history. And also for close/reopen voters.
@JourneymanGeek noted...
Wait... Even when you're not logged in? Oo
9:04 AM
Of course, on a question which is not deleted.
Ah. I do mean one that is currently deleted
I think that the revision history/timeline looks the same for all non-diamond users. (Assuming they can see the question - so 10k comes into play only if the question is deleted.)
@SmokeDetector k
Or you have a question or answer.
@JourneymanGeek That was my point, that OPs should be excluded to see who closed / deleted it.
9:10 AM
I kinda agree that is one option.
9:21 AM
Is this a bug?
Q: Can I ask for general ideas for a world of adult content in WorldBuilding.com from StackExchange?

SobyroTO MAKE THINGS CLEAR: I do not want to create controversy or use inappropriate language for the site. But I firmly believe that you can talk about adult issues with respect and seriousness, without falling into lust or joke. My question would only be to receive general ideas for a university c...

The question was migrated yesterday to worlbuilding meta. Now it appears as on hold at MSE, but if you click it you see the worldbuilding meta 404 page.
@πάνταῥεῖ bug??? " receive general ideas for a university curriculum in a school"... just some off topic crap, nothing uncommon to MSE. No idea why it's not downvoted.
Downvoted, when it reach -3 will vote to delete.
@πάνταῥεῖ of course, they closed/deleted that crap from there.
@ShadowWizard Sure, but why does it still appear at the MSE main page?
@πάνταῥεῖ no sure what you mean?
I think the OP deleted that question from WB meta, so it probably counted as a rejected migration
Closed questions always appear there.
@Mithrandir24601 well the 404 page show this, let me see...
9:26 AM
@ShadowWizard But I see a 404
> This question was voluntarily removed by its author
@Mithrandir24601 is correct ^
wait... @Mithrandir are you using a sock?? Why?
No. There's two
@Mithrandir24601 is an AI .... Mod
@ShadowWizard Hahaha! Nope :D
@JourneymanGeek huh, so weird. It's not like Mithrandir is super common nick... lol
@πάνταῥεῖ only on the site where it got deleted (WB.meta)
Lol. Tell me about it.
9:30 AM
Anyway.... think SE staff shouldn't bother migrating those away.
Well, the whole thing looks a bit weird for me. It shouldn't appear anymore at the MSE main page.
Maybe SO-only meta stuff to MSO, but not other sites.
@ShadowWizard As mentioned it was migrated to WB.meta yesterday.
@πάνταῥεῖ why not? I really fail to see your logic. It was migrated to other site. Deleted on that other site, which caused the migration to fail, hence making it become closed but unlocked and not deleted on the original site where it was asked. Kind of back to square 1.
This is a good feature, so wrong migrations won't cause the question to vanish.
I think the migration "stub" (the question on the original site) is auto deleted after 30 days, so if the target question is deleted after 30 days, you're correct and it will be 404 on both sites. @πάνταῥεῖ
9:35 AM
Africa needz one more meta.stackexchange.com/questions/309090/… @rene @Bart @JourneymanGeek @Glorfindel
om nom nom
@ShadowWizard Yes, I am, but it's not @Mithrandir24601
10:10 AM
argh, my head...
suddenly fell asleep and didn't remember anything before that..
sd !!brew coffee for @HTTPS
!!/coffee myself
@HTTPS brews a cup of Affogato for @myself
@Mithrandir well, still weird.... lol
10:41 AM
@ShadowWizard ah. Odd
@YvetteColomb dang :D But good to see you're still alive
11:07 AM
Are the comment/questions raised here rhetorical?
Even if they aren't, not worth engaging.
I consider analytics of voting trends a sure path to madness.
more seriously? Folks might choose to dv a question because its free and not the answer...
which... kinda is unfair I suppose but that's how the cookie explodes.
11:32 AM
It's all back to wording...
> Please feed me back
The question asked how to avoid chat (which is impossible), and the answer is to make a feature-request that allow OP to delete their messages once moved to the chat (which is a fair request, and I support it)
@SonicWizard sorry, that wasn't my motive, and I am not sure how you inferred that. In fact, before asking here, I didn't know if this is even possible. Google didn't help, so I just thought of asking in here, if there has been discussion of this fact in the past.
@HTTPS hmm right. But that statement (in that meta post) does seem to very broad (at least to me) to be applicable to even a majority of the 173 SE sites there are
@HTTPS well, my answer was partly motivated by the misconceptions in the first couple of comments on the question. I thought starting with a bold statement to get peoples attention would work. In that sense my answer worked well I guess.
1 hour later…
12:59 PM
finally someone contacted me through the contact form ... to send me some spam
people actually write bots to crawl others contact forms to send them spams?
1:14 PM
sd why
@πάνταῥεῖ [:6862219] Body - Position 68-81: Alibaba Cloud
@SmokeDetector f
@πάνταῥεῖ [:6862221] You are not a privileged user. Please see the privileges wiki page for information on what privileges are and what is expected of privileged users.
1:15 PM
^Just my thought ATM
I guess race condition, try !!/amiprivileged?
@TelKitty ✓ You are a privileged user.
@πάνταῥεῖ ╳ You are not a privileged user. Please see the privileges wiki page for information on what privileges are and what is expected of privileged users.
1:20 PM
heh, does not recognize fat exclamation mark
@rene ArtOfCode/EC2
Looks like someone retracted my recently gained SD privileges?
1:22 PM
@πάνταῥεῖ there is a bot automatically detecting trolls and remove their privileges
the inferior ones anyways
@TelKitty You well know that I'm not a troll :-/
yeah yeah, they all say that
@πάνταῥεῖ please retry
1:24 PM
@πάνταῥεῖ ✓ You are a privileged user.
@TelKitty discrimination! Smokey is toxic!
@rene Whatever you did THX a lot
!!/amiprivileged or not?
@ShadowWizard ✓ You are a privileged user.
1:25 PM
Smokey was running on an instance with an old revision
@Glorfindel fixed it
@rene That explains a lot, my privilege is quite new
1:36 PM
@ShadowWizard I know right?
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Manually reported answer: How many polar bears do you see? by Robert Sösemann on puzzling.SE
@πάνταῥεῖ [:6862138] That message is not a report.
@πάνταῥεῖ no need to confirm manual reports, only the automatic reports.
1:40 PM
I see
I hear
I speak
I smell
Yes you do.
1:59 PM
Hmm... I think I will stop using [site.se] when welcoming a user, since it links back to homepage (and might be annoying if put in front of the comment)...
I usually write the site name for unique sites
like MSE or SU
I think I just wrote "Stack Exchange" in that comment I threw into chemistry
If that's DIY work I'd suspect liifes in danger. Sharing your hopes @Journey
In a professional environment you'd want to work out where the forces are, math it out, then get someone else to double check it.
and even then, sometimes bad things happen
@JourneymanGeek "math it out" Add at least 30% safety adds
hah, yes
and maybe might need a PE or specialist certified engineer to confirm
Same what any professional does ;-)
2:28 PM
If it was "how do I calculate it" and mentioned the grade of steel and better yet its properties...
I'd still close it ;p
Of course
I'm not even sure if this is spam, or a hopelessly lost user.
I'd lean towards the latter
eh, could just let that be roombaed
I'm sure if Adam wanted it gone gone...
@JourneymanGeek He migrated it, but the migration was rejected because it was deleted (by the author) on the destination site.
2:42 PM
@SonicWizard We already discussed that today.
@πάνταῥεῖ Ah, sorry, didn't notice.
Not everyone goes back and reads old transcripts
Slowly sundae?
@JourneymanGeek The Charcoal project wants feedback from Taverners as to whether or not the feature to self-delete SmokeDetector messages upon replying to them as "fp" should be kept or removed. Would you mind pinning another message containing a link to a Google Form explaining the choices? Here's the GitHub issue: github.com/Charcoal-SE/SmokeDetector/issues/2011
@SonicWizard if you can write that as a nicely formatted pinnable post sure
preferably in the next 5 minutes cause I'm going to bed
2:47 PM
@Journey I'll pin your personal up-times for me now ;-)
One reason why FP is usually removed ASAP because... compared to TP, users more often respond with FP to non-spammy/rude posts, adding more (unnecessary) feedback. Well, I don't think there's a problem "pile-on" responses. But that's just me
The delay to 2 1.9 minutes before self-delete is a fair request though (give buffer in case of slow network)
The Charcoal project wants feedback about SmokeDetector's behavior in the Tavern here: goo.gl/forms/WZaKBdfeRcvns0863
@JourneymanGeek ^^Please pin
eh, could turn the whole thing into a link ;p
would be neater
@JourneymanGeek People aren't going to click on links with no context.
@JourneymanGeek Thanks for the pin!
2:53 PM
That would be better without the "He probably meant" but yes ;p
fix'd ;p
@JourneymanGeek Unpin mine and pin that one, please (done)
@SonicWizard pinned @HTTPS' version cause I like it more
ninja'd conversation is ninja'd
@JourneymanGeek Also unpinning doesn't unstar, so if you could please unstar mine so it's not redundant
2:55 PM
Also done
Dealing with some of the comments from my meta post before bed.
@HTTPS That's the "alternative option" in that survey
@Catija Haven't seen you here in a while
3:54 PM
@JonEricson One idea to make SE more business compliant could be to have public discussion sections, similar to chat rooms.
These won't have any more relevance and professional quality than reddit and quora have already though.
@πάνταῥεῖ I'm not sure what that would mean. Are you thinking chat rooms attached to questions or something along those lines?
But there would be sweet and cuddly cat gifs posted all along:
@JonEricson I'm thinking about separate public sections
@πάνταῥεῖ awww
@JonEricson That's what gave me that idea today:
Q: What exactly is functional programming? What makes a paradigm functional?

NawazI was reading an interview with Jose Valim, the creator Elixir programming language.. .and at one point where Jose attempts to define functional programming, I'm stuck as I feel Jose is talking about something exactly opposite to functional paradigm (especially the bold text in the below answer):...

functional programming is... when the program functions well -_-
4:09 PM
@HTTPS Not quite
procedural programming is... when you need procedures to program -_-
(I guess it's time for me to sleep...)
I have to admit that I am one of @Joel's Alien Sex Fiends and ever supported @Jeff's point of view. That @joel fails to make a business from it isn't our fault but theirs.
Failing that way with an army of volunteers at your back looks a bit, eeerm awkward.
Not to mention that @Joel already abused the site to publish their very personal statement about politics already. Not that I'm a friend of DJT, but if we have policies, these should apply for everyone, and the CEO isn't an exceptional case.
Or COO, or whatever CXX
4:36 PM
@Princess Notice how the cat starts raising its paw ;-)
@PrincessLuna Ambiguous beyond cuddlyness ...
@πάνταῥεῖ ?
@PrincessLuna Seems you aren't ready for sarcasm yet.
4:48 PM
@PrincessLuna Should I post that very gif as a reply now, supposing you're the kitty?
@rene Did you respond to my Google form? Also, what did you think of my alternate option? (Noticed your GitHub comment.)
@πάνταῥεῖ /shrug
We're allowed to do micro-management, that doesn't fit the real business needs of SE.
Raise your paws everyone!
@πάνταῥεῖ which ones? :P
5:00 PM
@PrincessLuna Keeping their servers running and pay their employees.
In the long term
@SonicWizard No, I hadn't noticed I was lured into a Google form so I skipped that step and went directly to the issue.
Oh, sorry. Replied to the wrong message
@πάνταῥεῖ which ones? :p
@PrincessLuna Both paws of course, and try to keep not falling onto your face if you do so :-D
5:04 PM
That's the anthro-advantage: no face-first falling :D
@PrincessLuna Evolution confirmed that :-P
5:30 PM
sd why
sd poof
> sd 3- k
Aww ... That's a porn link merely
@SmokeDetector k
@PrincessLuna Throw it to @joelspolsky ;-)
We're not their servants or slaves he's able to steer at their will!
@HTTPS already reported
oh yeah, didn't realize :x (I should have been sleeping already...)
5:49 PM
@HTTPS Another coffee?
@rene What did you think of the alternative option?
6:02 PM
(Just edited/bumped @Shadow's FR on disallowing <2k rep users from directly editing FAQs. Seconds later, a 101-rep new user with the association bonus edited an FAQ.)
@SonicWizard that's good humor ...
@SonicWizard I didn't like it
@rene Why not?
@SonicWizard because I favor speedy clean-up when warranted to prevent mishaps without the need of an RO.
6:37 PM
@SonicWizard thanks, mostly good, but is not relevant since I talk about questions only. I don't want something general for all CW questions.
6:50 PM
The conference is over (as far as I'm concerned) but I have a day and a bit left in Portland, so.... A Portland Walking Tour of "My Own Private Idaho"
Skipping the Route 216 part, probably.
9:59 PM
@SmokeDetector tpu-
10:53 PM
@SFTP what conference?
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