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7:01 PM

Dealing with the high level personnel needs to deal with their potentially personal quirks like Aspergers and all that kind. Ask any good HR manager in the IT branch.

Magisch

@JonEricson I think a lot of that is due to the unfair side of answering questions

That is the FGITW problem and how optimizing for upvotes is not the same as optimizing for usefulness

Shadow Wizard

@HTTPS what's that? Why obscuring time stamps? Why sad?

Jon Ericson

@Magisch That reminds me. I need to write a blog post about answering questions with a new users. It's gotten way harder to earn reputation. :-(

πάντα ῥεῖ

@Jon If you want to have good people, encourage them to share their knowledge. If you want to have lots of attraction (for business needs), just sell (for free) answers for anyone. I'm eager to know Joel's point about that.

Magisch

@JonEricson I noticed that.

When I started in late 2015, I had little success at first

I looked at old answers - they weren't much better then mine

Hell, some answers with 900+ upvotes were much lower effort then what I tried out

Turns out, most of the easy questions have been asked and answered by now

πάντα ῥεῖ

7:15 PM

@JonEricson It wasn't really hard to earn rep with my user0042 sock, it was a really amazing experience.

Magisch

And especially in certain tags (cough c cough) you gotta be on your game or get criticism / downvotes instantly

Sonic Wizard

44 mins ago, by Sonic Wizard

Are moderators able to see pending voluntary deletion timers on other users' accounts?

Shadow Wizard

@πάνταῥεῖ even better than YCS?! Just don't tell him...... ;)

Magisch

Mind you, I don't think it'S bad per say that it is like this, but it puts into perspective the complaints about new users

πάντα ῥεῖ

@SonicWizard They probably are able to see. Mods can see anything :-P

Jon Ericson

7:17 PM

@πάνταῥεῖ Which tag(s)?

Magisch

If I had little enough to do and enough disregard for myself I could probably get a decent reputation train going by chaining answers to easy JS / jquery / swift questions

They'll get closed as dupes but it won't matter you'll pick up a couple upvotes and the odd accept here and there over the long time

πάντα ῥεῖ

@JonEricson I'm mostly into c++ c and allied. But participating at other SE sites like German Language, I widened my perspective.

Magisch

Only, it doesn't feel like helping
It feels like you're polluting the Q/A base by making the decent answers in linked dupes harder to find

For added profit get a gold badge in your easy tag and start reopening dupes you answer instantly

πάντα ῥεῖ

@ShadowWizard Sure better than YCS, because I've chosen to take on the really serious programming languages in 1st place :P

Shadow Wizard

lol

πάντα ῥεῖ

7:21 PM

And not to mention that @Machavity is way more patient about that basic issue

rene

Turns out I'm the toxic problem ...

what on earth did I do wrong there?

πάντα ῥεῖ

@rene Nothing! You're good!

Sonic Wizard

@rene Don't you know that you're toxic...

rene

Meh, it was probably the comment about doesn't work ..

πάντα ῥεῖ

@rene How are these people really relevant?

Magisch

7:25 PM

@rene TIL rene is a poison arrow plant

so toxic

John Dvorak

even those red and blue tiny frogs avoid Rene on sight.

πάντα ῥεῖ

@rene And even if I could I'd deny to extend that discussion in comments. I don't want to end up with the

Jon Ericson

Ugh. I'd just typed a bunch to move that off the top of my screen. :-(

John Dvorak

uBlock zapper mode FTW

Shadow Wizard

@JonEricson use your diamond to delete/move it from everyone's screen if you want... ;)

πάντα ῥεῖ

7:30 PM

@rene Fortunately it seemed to have worked for this particular case.

Jon Ericson

@rene Most of the time when I make formatting edits, the asker is grateful. Every now and then you run across the person who believes everything they type is gold. It's the modern version of the Midas touch.

Shadow Wizard

@rene what did you tell them? Looks like you deleted your comment(s)?

rene

@ShadowWizard yeah, I had a bunch of what doesn't work mean and that ended with Jingle bells.

πάντα ῥεῖ

@ShadowWizard @rene was telling them something they believed it could be categorized as toxic, while that was completely off regarding their actions seen.

rene

Meh, bad flower, flower is bad

πάντα ῥεῖ

7:35 PM

@rene You bad bad flower, behave!

Shadow Wizard

Well... there's a difference between "Your question sucks, edit it now" and "Can you please edit the queston to improve the formatting?" - and of course lots of possible things in the middle.

rene

Yeah, it was closer to the former ...

Shadow Wizard

buh... ton... ton of questions... leaving that for fun. ;)

@rene you surely have bad view of yourself! looking for flowers psychologist

Found one!!! :D

πάντα ῥεῖ

All in all it seems to me, that we even cannot ask for clarification politely, without the risk being accused to be toxic.

Shadow Wizard

Some people just can't take criticism, even if constructive.

πάντα ῥεῖ

7:41 PM

But the world leading US president spills over toxic tweets even before their morning toilet, and is being applauded.
O' tempora, o' mores!

Shadow Wizard

I can't really talk about it too much since I personally not taking active part, but want to believe that if I would take part, such negative responses won't cause me to stop.

@πάνταῥεῖ who said US leading the world? Think that role was taken away from them. ;)

πάντα ῥεῖ

@ShadowWizard Didn't you read their tweets?

Shadow Wizard

@πάνταῥεῖ I don't read tweets, just follow the events remotely from our local media.

πάντα ῥεῖ

@ShadowWizard Me too TBH. Its disgusting enough :P

Shadow Wizard

They sometimes post his tweets, or mention them, of course.

πάντα ῥεῖ

7:45 PM

That Joel Spolsky complains about managing a toxic wasteland is a very bad joke though.

Shadow Wizard

Maybe he just try to earn some time.

πάντα ῥεῖ

@ShadowWizard That's why we're leaving them beyond ...

@ShadowWizard I'd expect Jeff standing up and tell: "I've ever been telling you ..." :D

user310756

8:21 PM

I don't know what this was - it was 50 metres long and required police escort to stop traffic - at 3am on the country roads.

user310756

Jon Ericson

Water main or rocket tube? ;-)

user310756

it looked like a wing or part of a rocket

user310756

it's the biggest single haul I've seen on the back of a truck (not on youtube)

rene

toothpick for an elephant ...

user310756

8:26 PM

it continues on quite a bit to the right of the pic

user310756

@JonEricson I hope I'm not being too vocal or negative on twitter

user310756

feel free to delete that last comment after reading - much like eating the note after reading... erm I'm sleep deprived and my jokes are not funny at the best of times

Jon Ericson

@YvetteColomb Twitter is where good idea go to get satirized. ;-) You just gotta be mindful and walk away a bit quicker than you think you should.

user310756

@JonEricson yep - I only joined recently I've been on and off it . I'll prob end up closing it again. It's not a platform I particularly like

user310756

it was more because my attention was drawn to the mod election and mention of me as a candidate (well me as in a woman)

user315433

8:33 PM

> Once Click On Button NaveGate To Tab Two Hoe Do I Make It Possible Using Jquery Please Let Me Know

user315433

Not sure if a question or a rap lyric

user310756

@SFTP lmao

Jon Ericson

user310756

@JonEricson is that monty python - I think I need a seeing eye dog

user310756

in search of the holy grail?

Jon Ericson

8:34 PM

@YvetteColomb 'Tis.

user310756

ah good. I love the cheese shop sketch

user310756

ah the cat just drank it

user310756

if this foal isn't born soon I think I'm going to die of exhaustion sleeping in a paddock at night - well chatting on here and watching netflix in a paddock

user310756

@Bart this is a screen shot from one of the vids I took in the paddock last night

user310756

Sonic Wizard

8:44 PM

delv-pls 20k+ meta.stackexchange.com/questions/309078/…

one-more-delete-vote-needed 2k+ meta.stackexchange.com/review/low-quality-posts/57378

user310756

would you believe - this photo was taken in the middle of the night - pitch black - that's lightening - no flash- those horses are approx 10-15 metres from the car in that pic

SmokeDetector

9:49 PM

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Offensive answer detected: Why does Pluto have a molten core and the Moon does not? by Tyrone Townsend on space.SE

user315433

One can beseech people to be kinder to beginners... or give them a way to filter out the questions from beginners.

user315433

Nothing interesting here, I just wanted to use the word "beseech".

user315433

Any more employees going on white male guilt trips, or is that strictly weekday activity?

SmokeDetector

10:23 PM

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Manually reported answer: What is it? What am I? by bob on puzzling.SE

Sonic Wizard

@SmokeDetector naa-

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Offensive title detected: Why ur mom gay? by bob on ell.SE

Jon Ericson

@SFTP Me? I've been doing some research using R:

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A: Some thoughts on the moderation of comments on this stack

I disagree with the idea that comments are for improving posts; that's what edits are for. To quote the help that can be accessed when adding a comment: Comments are used to ask for clarification or to point out problems in the post. Or, to crib from the help center, comments are like Post...

Sonic Wizard

11:10 PM

When Shog's away, the hedgehogs will play!

@JonEricson Can you please explain why Shog may have chosen not to act on this?

So you're saying this is a problem, but choosing not to fix it. If that's so, why did you mark this question as "by design"? It doesn't seem from this answer that not converting old links without the ending / was an intentional decision, or that they're supposed to be that way. Can you please remove the "by design" tag, and replace it with "declined"? This implies the correct thing, that you've acknowledged this as an issue but have chosen not to fix it. — Sonic Wizard Mar 23 at 18:47

Jon Ericson

@SonicWizard Cause it's not that hard for people to edit or suggest edits and do it themselves. (Or at least that's my excuse.)

Sonic Wizard

@JonEricson But it's a moderator-only tag!

Jon Ericson

Oh. That bit? It would be an edit with almost no benefit. It's not like the code is still being used.

It was a one-time operation, it missed a few links and those links are eminently fixable.

Sonic Wizard

@JonEricson But the tag is wrong!

Jon Ericson

Wrongish.

Sonic Wizard

11:17 PM

@JonEricson Did you even read the comment?

Jon Ericson

Heh, I'm off to get some dinner. Maybe I'll figure out the dire consequence I'm missing in the meantime.

Sonic Wizard

@JonEricson Wait!

That was a little pedantic, but here's one that's not: this bug report was marked "completed" but was never actually fixed:

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Q: Questions migrated from other sites, closed as duplicate, and then locked show the wrong notice

This question was migrated from a different site, then closed as a duplicate. Later on, it was locked for historical significance. The revision history shows it correctly, and the vote arrows and flag option is gone (as expected). However, the lock notice for historical significance doesn't show ...

Yes, but this isn't completed in the sense that the notices now show up properly, but declined in that you say the above should be done so this edge case doesn't happen (so it won't be fixed). — Sonic Wizard Jan 20 at 4:11

Journeyman Geek

Morning

Mithrandir24601

@JourneymanGeek Morning!

(even though I still haven't gone to bed yet)

Journeyman Geek

@HTTPS quite frankly I posted that question on anonymous post deletions because I'm upset by multiple instances of trolling. Close votes seem ok so far.

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