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Travis J

12:12 AM

@JourneymanGeek ;) I guess I could convert it to one at some point with some heuristics, but it seems pretty straightforward as a problem to me. Maybe they were already aware of this?

Journeyman Geek

12:33 AM

@TravisJ errrr

tbh, the impact of it feels like a marketing side thing, and I trust them a lot less than our SREs and Devs (SORRY!)

Catija

Does SE even have control of how Google serves that info?

Journeyman Geek

@Catija I think there's some structured data thing going on - but but.... ya, that needs an actual insider to answer ;p

Catija

I don't know what "structured data things" are... but... yeah.

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1:01 AM

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1:41 AM

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Journeyman Geek

dem spammers are out in the full force...

Ano

2:06 AM

Jan 20 at 20:17, by Zoe the Wolf

What a fantastic evening in the world of spam!

SmokeDetector

2:23 AM

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HTTP

Breakfast with spam again

user202362

how much time do you think I should hold my baby chicks in my hand everyday if I want them to bond with me?

HTTP

2:42 AM

@TelautonomousKitty put a hat instead

Journeyman Geek

if they were bonded with you, you won't be able to put them down

HTTP

also... is there a tl;du (too long; didn't understand) for the latest blog?

ergh, HQ2 = 2nd headquarter? I don't think I'd guess that in the first place

Journeyman Geek

@HTTP datascientists + amazon is trying to start a new HQ and is shopping around for the best ~~tax breaks~~ place to set it up in.

tbh, its better than the clickbaity shit we got for a while.

HTTP

It's still clickbaity for me, because I thought it's related to affiliated ads... because... Amazon!

Journeyman Geek

naw its all abooout

> At Stack Overflow, we’re able to explore these kinds of questions because we understand developers, technologies, and how these technologies are related to each other in complex ecosystems. We use this expertise to help companies understand, reach, engage with, and hire developers.

user202362

2:53 AM

What about a fairy tale about kingdom of amazon ... you know the kind where it's divided into two: half, mainly tall muscular, strong women living in a kingdom existed in a sub dimension. Those are known in the mythology as Amazon warriors. The other half lives on earth, they are mainly skinny geeky men who can program, who also works for Amazon. Earth Amazon mascot is a gigantic sales person ...

Journeyman Geek

they quite literally don't talk about affliate ads. Much

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user315433

3:12 AM

@Feeds Wouldn't happen if messages were type-checked before transmission. Is it of type "greeting" or of type "question"? Check that the syntax matches.

user315433

> Evaluating options for Stack Overflow HQ using Amazon data

user315433

I.e., for how much can the furniture be sold on Amazon.

Ano

3:36 AM

Why was this question deleted? meta.stackexchange.com/questions/305841/…

@SmokeDetector fp-

Shog9

that sounds like a job for...

...Earning 10K on MSE!

user315433

What's the current status of < 20 rep users talking in chat by invitation?

user315433

I recall something was implemented for that SO mentoring experiment.

Shog9

probably "if in special mentoring program and chatting in special mentoring program chatroom"

Ano

@Shog9 I'm top 7 in the quarterly rep league. You don't think I'm progressing toward that? (Yes, I know your judgment is clouded since you're first...)

user315433

3:41 AM

So, outside of mentoring chatroom it's mod-only feature...

Shog9

yep

(when the mod can remember how to do it)

HTTP

even though giving explicit write access... hmm? I think I've had this discussion before here...

Ano

@Shog9 So then why is it shown in the UI that regular users can do it?

Shog9

beats me

not sure what you're talking about

user315433

@balpha found this question while searching for a similar problem on meta. Just wanted to point out that the message shown in the access control page never mentions diamond mods, giving the impression that room owners should be able to bypass the limit too. — SPArchaeologist Oct 30 '14 at 12:12

Ano

3:43 AM

Why do I see that as an RO?

Shog9

@Ano well, that is what the users listed there can do

whether or not you can add them is another matter

Ano

1 min ago, by FTP

@balpha found this question while searching for a similar problem on meta. Just wanted to point out that the message shown in the access control page never mentions diamond mods, giving the impression that room owners should be able to bypass the limit too. — SPArchaeologist Oct 30 '14 at 12:12

user315433

One may also point out that, whatever UI problems chat has, they won't be fixed.

user315433

Ever.

Shog9

Hey, it's only been a bit over three years. In the face of eternity, that's not a very big sample.

Ano

3:49 AM

@Shog9 Can't you just add an extra sentence: "Note: Only moderators may add users without enough reputation to this list."

user315433

A journey through eternity begins with surviving for 3 years.

Ano

@FTP Look at me.

user315433

I'd rather not.

Rob

@Ano It's not just adding the text, it's also adding translations for all sites. And maintaining it when the rules change.

Ano

@FTP Other than a few lapses, I basically paused SE for three years before beginning larger sprees of anonymous editing

@Rob Transifex + there aren't that many localized sites; it's unlikely to change in the future

@Shog9 Just a curious question: you once said back in 2011 that you'd be launching the German SO site in a few weeks. What was your attitude toward localization then, and what stopped you then?

Rob

3:53 AM

I'm not talking about implementing translations.. but the translations themselves. It's still work for a somewhat debatable improvement. If you try it, and it doesn't work, you then know it's not possible.

SE already uses a translation framework: Moonspeak

Shog9

@Ano I can't, no. It's hard-coded, and I have neither permission to commit nor permission to build.

pretty sure Raymond Chen once wrote a blog post about how many dozens of people were involved in making some trivial change to Notepad. It's not nearly that bad here, but... it's still more than "one"

one to propose the change
one to review it
one to implement the change
and in the darkness rue it

Catija

> One Ring to rule them all,
One Ring to find them,
One Ring to bring them all,
And in the darkness bind them.

:D

hichris123

Dec 18 '13 at 3:09, by jmac

:1687338 Three Tims for the Elven-devs in the Tavern,
Seven for the Moderation-overlords in their halls of 01100010011010010111010001110011,
Nine for New Users doomed to downvotes,
One for the Jeff Atwood on his dark throne
In the Land of Horror where the Coding lies.
One Tim to rule them all, One Tim to find them,
One Tim to bring them all and in the darkness bind them
In the Land of Horror where the Coders lie.

Why do I remember that, I have no idea.

Shog9

I miss jmac

user315433

But at least we can Buy a Microwave Denso Dinner set (24 pcs ) at just rs .400 .and get 5% discount on bulk order

Ano

4:01 AM

@Shog9 Wasn't he not an employee at the time?

I remember animuson having moderator access to MSE by virtue of being an SO mod, then losing it after the split, then getting it back after getting hired as an employee

Shog9

MSE mod access is addictive

Some folks will do almost anything to hold onto it

Even handle flags

Catija

... or get it...

Ano

Maybe some day we'll see a diamond after your name on MSE. Good work for your comtribution. — ɪʙᴜɢ Dec 11 '17 at 16:16

hichris123

@Shog9 You lost Oded, the resident for that.

Shog9

:-((

hichris123

4:05 AM

I remember back when I wanted to be a mod on SO/MSO. Now... what was I thinking?

Shog9

"hmm... Still no earth science site... I guess meta is sorta earthy..."

user315433

That was the time when AstroCB and bjb were locked in a deathmatch to get into the primary.

user315433

The former left for... NYU, I think. Any concrete plans, @hichris123?

hichris123

@FTP Not as of yet... hopefully a couple more weeks to finding out.

user315433

Feb 8 at 15:32, by hichris123

@Ano Be around when someone is drunk and annoying @Shog9 and he's only on his phone

Ano

4:10 AM

@FTP Forgot I asked that

user315433

Greater chance of success if Shog is drunk too.

hichris123

@FTP If I recall, that experience happened to you. A couple account deletions later...

Ano

35 mins ago, by Ano

Why was this question deleted? https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/305841/allow-starting-a-new-bounty-imme‌diately-during-the-grace-period-if-there-are-no

user315433

For reasons of moderation, apparently.

Ano

@Catija Say, have you ever tried cooking South Indian dishes?

Catija

4:15 AM

Nope.

I don't have a pan big enough for a dosa.

Ano

@Catija And probably not the specialized cookware for idli

Catija

Have you eaten as Swad on North Lamar?

Ano

@Catija Indeed I have

Catija

Your thoughts? I've heard it's good... and I've enjoyed it... but I'm not an expert.

Shog9

What's the closest thing in South India to good Texas brisket?

Catija

4:16 AM

I really like their paratha.

Ano

@Catija It's better than any South Indian food I've tasted in San Diego, and is only beaten by some higher-end restaurants up in OC/LA

Catija

Wow, that's high praise, I would think?

@Shog9 Isn't beef sort of difficult to come by as food in India?

Ano

@Catija The Indian diaspora is not as big in SD as it is in Orange County, LA, or the Bay Area

Shog9

@Catija beats me. hence the question

Catija

Well, it's not huge here at all... I know that there are pockets but I don't think it's that big?

Ano

4:19 AM

@FTP How did I get an audible ping now for that?

@Catija Up by Round Rock yes; I have a friend who lives up in Cedar Park

Shog9

Sound travels slower in water. Check to make sure your house hasn't flooded

Ano

@Shog9 How can I check for floods if my house is 1100+ miles away?!

user315433

~1500 m/s in water vs 330 in air.

Catija

@Ano I think there's a temple behind the Half Price books on Lamar? I'm not sure what it is but I see women dressed up in sari there some days and they have lots of people directing traffic.

user315433

Not flooded.

Shog9

4:21 AM

I'm wrong anyway. It travels faster?

Ano

@Shog9 Yes. I was waiting for you to search that but @FTP gave it away.

user315433

Yes, denser medium helps.

Catija

> This means that the sound wave travels over four times faster than it would in air, but it takes a lot of energy to start the vibration.

Ano

@Catija Near Fry's Electronics? (Side note: I've gone up there and never seen any such traffic.)

Catija

@Ano No, the one at Koenig.

Ano

4:22 AM

@Catija Never been there.

user315433

Light travels slower in water, OTOH. Something something two types of waves.

Ano

@Shog9 Your statement would have been correct if we were referring to the visible notification

Rob

@FTP Indeed. And the 'optical boom' looks amazing: upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/6b/Cerenkov_Effect.jpg

Shog9

@Ano So if ftp's speed is correct, that tone should've taken about an hour and a half to get to you from your house then. How long did it really take?

Catija

@Ano google.com/maps/place/Half+Price+Books/…

@Shog9 less than ten minutes...

Ano

4:26 AM

@Shog9 Actually, it's much faster since sound and I have to travel in a solid object to get between those places.

Shog9

Sounds about right then

status-byde

Catija

... I see the puns have moved.

Shog9

sigh ... Mobile.

Ano

@Shog9 Do you use the swipe feature of your keyboard?

Shog9

I have enough trouble just trying to hit the letters with my fat thumbs

Ano

4:28 AM

It's supported in the Google and Samsung keyboards, and the former comes with stock Android and can be installed in iOS

@Shog9 Swipe keyboard will fix that

Shog9

Oh, I have the feature, I just don't use it

Ano

@Shog9 Use it. It will save you a lot of time in typing.

Shog9

What's the swipe for square braces?

Catija

@Shog9 Too many swipes with a hammer?

Ano

@Shog9 It's only really useful for words

Shog9

4:30 AM

Too bad. Faster square braces would save time

Gotta press and hold on t and y for now

Catija

I'd edit it for you but...

Shog9

I'm over it

Ano

And if you're on a phablet, you can collapse the keyboard to one side and make it smaller

Shog9

If I wanted to look sober, I'd ise a real keyboard

Ano

@Shog9 That's what a swipe keyboard can fix.

Shog9

4:32 AM

If you're interested and I'll be back to work tomorrow is fine for the post and was wondering what I need changes in my life work perhaps you could come in at all for me if I wanted an infinite waiting on a response

...that's just repeating tapping the first suggested word

Catija

I'm glad you explained... I was really worried that you were ... too drunk.

Shog9

Seems like it could save me more time than swiping

Catija

Though, it was all spelled correctly.

Shog9

And slightly more coherent than my normal prose

Ano

@Catija Have you ever been to Fry's Electronics?

Catija

4:35 AM

@Ano With the giant piano?

Ano

@Catija Yes

Shog9

That place is great. I got a big bag of zip ties there in Las Vegas.

Best thing that ever happened to me in Vegas

Catija

@Ano ... yeah...

I've only been to Vegas once... for my 21st birthday... with my mom and grandmother.

Shog9

Did they take you to Fry's?

Ano

I found the Austin store to be a bit underwhelming; IMO the best one is the San Marcos, CA store

Catija

4:38 AM

No. I went and saw O alone after eating dinner in the restaurant behind the pirate show at the Mirage.

Ano

The best thing about it is that you can get a 4-pack of AAs or AAAs for just $1

Shog9

You missed out. No commemorative zip ties.

Catija

Sorry, Treasure Island...

We also went to see David Blane... and I was pretty disappointed.

Ano

I also found out that they still sell Betamax tapes

Catija

Yeah... we even used them when I was in school...

Probably still do.

user315433

4:40 AM

I was at Fry's once, to do math.

user315433

American Institute of Mathematics

The American Institute of Mathematics (AIM) was founded in 1994 by John Fry, co-founder of Fry's Electronics, and located in the Fry's Electronics San Jose, California location. Privately funded by Fry at inception, in 2002, AIM became one of eight NSF-funded mathematical institutes. Brian Conrey became the institute's director in 1997. The Institute was founded with the primary goal of identifying and solving important mathematical problems. Originally, very small groups of top mathematicians would be assembled to solve a major problem, such as the Birch and Swinnerton-Dyer conjecture. Now the...

Ano

They owned a 747 for a long time, sold it to NASA in 2015

Boeing 747SP to be exact

Journeyman Geek

5:27 AM

@Shog9 been there, done that. ;p

@FTP we just need to convince SO Corp its an important enterprise feature

... but sadly it looks like enterprise chat is turning into a busy field

Ano

5:52 AM

@Shog9 Using my one-month allowance: del-pls meta.stackexchange.com/questions/307477/…

Journeyman Geek

@Ano if you would DV it, we could just do it the normal way when it hits enough downvotes

Ano

@JourneymanGeek Okay, down to -2 now...

Journeyman Geek

2 devlotes to go

Ano

@JourneymanGeek I also flagged it as NAA, so if you could find the LQ review task for that...

Journeyman Geek

already delvoted no?

nothing of that sort in my queues

Ano

6:04 AM

!!/report stackoverflow.com/a/49043287/2157772

Rob

Not sure that's report worthy.

Eh, maybe. "if you want to other step learn plx visit this site "

Ano

@Rob The bottom link seemed like spam

And some further reports from that same user

@Rob Apparently he's spamming the same link in multiple answers

Journeyman Geek

Plz read this - kthx. — Journeyman Geek 32 secs ago

totally worth it.

Rob

6:21 AM

@Ano Where?

But yeah, I agree, it does look a bit spammy. Was giving them the benefit of the doubt, considering their account is a few weeks old

Ano

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Rob

Huh, weird. Thought I checked their profile, and didn't see any other answers

Must be going crazy

Journeyman Geek

@Shog9 dude, what happens in vegas... stays in vegas.

I'm wondering what twitter knows...

(I mean, I follow a few SO employees - mostly for the gossip and terrible humour ;p)

Travis J

Twitter knows all of nothing.

user202362

I don't follow people, I stalk 'em

Travis J

6:30 AM

And then pounce when the time is right? With cupcakes, and beer?

That is how I wish my stalkers would surprise me at least.

Journeyman Geek

....

so, our phone was giving trouble. Line issues got fixed, handset was acting up...

andddd... I apparently fixed the handset by shifting the router 2 degrees...

Ano

Welcome to March!

Travis J

@JourneymanGeek - The structured data stuff, may also be rich data as a side note, is controlled by a dev by marking up either the page in the head element, or the elements with certain data attributes.

Journeyman Geek

(no, I have no idea why the handset went from slightly odd to perfect)

@TravisJ Oh, @Catija is the one who asked

I don't know exactly what it is but I know enough to fake it ;p

and I still think that's a thing for main meta

Travis J

To be honest, making a post about it would take quite a bit of research that I was hoping to avoid in the hopes that whoever is in charge would realize that using that utility was causing a smaller set of search results to be served through Google.

Journeyman Geek

6:34 AM

Its meta. get the basic stuff started and people will start chipping in in the comments ._.

Travis J

Hi, my name is Travis, and I am a perfectionist.

It either all or nothing.

Journeyman Geek

hah

Travis J

Someone at the company has to have access to the Google Search Console for stackoverflow.com

They would be the most informed person with regards to this topic.

Journeyman Geek

@TravisJ they probably do!

Travis J

It is actually so bad that when I google I have to also type in stackoverflow.com

(horribly inconvenient in case anyone was wondering)

Journeyman Geek

6:37 AM

but there's $variable number of developers in 3-5 different product lines who sometimes work cross project + I think their number crunchy people would be involved and...

*data scientists

Travis J

#thecrew

Journeyman Geek

(I mean, I've seen folks from ads and careers poke into meta, and vaguely remember them fixing some QA related stuff)

Travis J

(If I had to wager a guess, I would ~~blame~~ ask Kevin Montrose)

I could also be wrong (psh, because that happens), and showing only one result in Google could somehow be beneficial to the efficiency if it was always navigated through. Although, the problem with Stack Overflow is that your answer is totally there, or there, or there, it is in one of these questions I just can't seem to remember... ah! There it is.

Journeyman Geek

and if google does it right, you just stop there

user202362

@TravisJ beer and cupcakes don't go together, meh think ...

Travis J

6:49 AM

waaat

Yeah, but that doesn't happen when broad terms are used, which is a majority of the time. Often, when you are sure there are related solutions to a problem you aren't exactly sure how to approach, casting a wide net is a good idea. That approach is stifled by the current search results. It isn't really Stack Overflow's fault, it is google's fault for only including one result when there should be many, solely because it shows the marked up data in a little navigation system.

Or, to meme it...

One does not simply onebox Stack Overflow.

Jenna Sloan

8:18 AM

̲F̲a̲n̲c̲y̲ ̲t̲e̲x̲t̲

Journeyman Geek

ah, zalgo...

that's as old as the unspeakable eidritch dark gods themselves

Jenna Sloan

@JourneymanGeek Gasp! You spoke of the unspeakable!

Journeyman Geek

... you might have a point there...

Magisch

8:38 AM

wtf is this: stackoverflow.com/users/5375717/Shahid-Neermunda?tab=reputation

Looks like serial ... accepting?

o_O

HTTP

Oh man... today's the most sleepiest day...

@Magisch -601. Yummy.

@HTTP even I broke the grammar rulez...

Derpy

@HTTP I would suggest trying with DeepStyle instead, but... I won't stop you.

@PrincessLuna To be fair.... one of my first ideas was "What would happen if one trained the neural network to generate MLP / EG characters?". After all, the show is already Flash-based, and all the characters are made up by flash puppets..... So, if the network could somehow "recognize" the base pieces of that puppet, it should produce pretty good results.

that said....

I would like to once again point out that this question does indeed exist.

26

Q: Automated My Little Pony detection and classification

What I'm looking for is advice from people with experience with computer vision on what approach or algorithm would be best on this particular problem. I'm an experienced programmer (mostly .NET), but I know next to nothing about computer vision and I want to save time. I would prefer an algorit...

computer-vision

Journeyman Geek

8:56 AM

._.

there ought to be an internet rule for that.

Princess Luna

9:07 AM

@Derpy you'd need a lot of data, but you could

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rene

Woman abuse here?

Travis J

@rene - Hard to tell, it looks like connecting via wife does not working when they give IP

@Derpy Too bad no one talks about training the network using sound queues... which is essentially how you know who is doing what in a lot of anime. Sound association + change in pixels would probably be more accurate than any sort of attempt at the pony facial expression recognition.

rene

Last wife I had refused all connections but that turned out to be my fault ...

What is this: meta.stackexchange.com/questions/307495/…

HTTP

@rene while we're at it, cv-pls wife...

Travis J

9:16 AM

@rene Sorry, I tried to train an AI to post constructive spam to MSE. Still needs some tweaking.

HTTP

@rene Wikimedia needs SE's help... to create an Android app for them...

Travis J

Ooh, #superdownvote

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Travis J

Don't get to use many of those.

Derpy

@TravisJ fell free to post a new reply. And starting a new project on github, too. :P

rene

9:18 AM

@HTTP maybe SE can donate their code ...

Travis J

@Derpy Maybe when I retire I can start doing that sort of thing :D

HTTP

And then we'll have a "Notification for Wikimedia" Android app...

user202362

3

rene

LOL

Travis J

epic

HTTP

9:22 AM

@TelautonomousKitty If I'm not mistaken, the language hinted at Vietnamese, not exactly free, but...

Travis J

It is in Hồ Chí Minh

Was really hoping there was going to be a street view

Does grammarly scare anyone else?

Or bitmoji?

Maybe I am the only one worried about installing keyloggers on my devices...

HTTP

Grammarly is as scary as Chrome's Spell Checker...

Travis J

ugh, how did it get to be this late. nite.

HTTP

nite :)

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Derpy

11:12 AM

I will have to keep an eye on World Neverland.

> Interacting with the residents of the world using real communication may even make you think that you're playing an MMORPG

are they attempting that same "natural language processing" based approach that Shroud of the Avatar is using?

None of the trailers offer any clue on HOW the character is choosing the replies during the dialogues.

HTTP

11:26 AM

Seeing a user (mod) with 96 rep, yet no downvoted posts...

Apparently downvoted 5 answers instead, bypassing rep requirement ._."

Journeyman Geek

@HTTP cause CMs ;p

Derpy

11:47 AM

@MetaEd you just had to use that picture as an avatar, didn't you?

HTTP

Thumbnally, it doesn't look that bad

Ano

12:01 PM

animuson ♦, Gladstone, MO, United States

21 12

Downvoted 80 answers

HTTP

And the graph arose from 3 to 21...

Ano

@HTTP Because some of the downvoted posts were subsequently deleted.

rene

So the users with the diamonds are the down voters ... revenge ...

HTTP

Breaking news: Artificial rep inflation by downvoting all will-be-deleted answers done by a CM

(i dunno if it'd work or not though)

MetaEd

@Derpy Doesn't this face go well with my crazy?

Derpy

12:19 PM

Princess Luna

12:46 PM

Lol

Derpy

1:08 PM

@PrincessLuna that's the face that started the "Cheshire Cat Twily" meme. Usually paired with Alice-Pinkie.

Princess Luna

Cool

Ano

1:53 PM

@Taryn Can you please explain this, since you posted the "newer post" I commented there? meta.stackexchange.com/questions/304663/…

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