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hichris123

12:00 AM

No, @JasonC, SE is entering the 'crap we need to make a profit' phase.

Quill

If SE want something to do so badly they could start with Area 51

hichris123

That was planned.

Oh, say 3 years ago?

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A: Next Generation of Area 51

I have some more current thoughts on this post here: What's going on with Area 51? Yes, there is a next-generation Area 51 on the drawing board. It is very early in the design phase, so there's not really much to say about it. I wish I could indulge you in premature, wild speculation, but the...

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A: What's going on with Area 51?

Following up on Mad Scientist's recap of Area 51, there was a particularly salient point: The Area 51 process has significant flaws … but it still works somehow. … it still works somehow. I've been white-boarding a next-generation site-creation process on and off over several years, but w...

Quill

or maybe take staff off development, and put them on swag duty

Whatever. Still haven't gotten the #SOReadyToHelp swag... — RubberDuck Dec 19 '15 at 0:45

Jason C

12:18 AM

@hichris123 Citation needed. I don't see that in the FAQ on the post and can't identify a revenue stream there. All I see is things purporting to help me share something. Any theories why they'd keep that a secret?

user202362

I found a listing guide on Nasdaq, it's only 16 pages long :p

hichris123

@JasonC Revenue stream = Careers. As @rene said...

6 hours ago, by rene

Finally! I was already wondering how they were going to payback those $40 million investment money.

user202362

investment != debt

user202362

you only have to pay back debt, investment means equity

hichris123

Right, but your investor isn't gonna be happy if you keep losing money...

Jason C

12:26 AM

@hichris123 Any theories on why they'd keep that a secret in that list, which very clearly focuses on "things you want" and mentions nothing about increased revenue (which I suspect would actually gather a lot more user support)?

I would expect it to be in the list of e.g. "what problems does this solve". Wouldn't you?

hichris123

@JasonC Well, of course, this is all a theory. So... shrug

Jason C

There we go. That's all I wanted to hear. :P

user202362

My 2 cents is that the investor would want IPO. IPO means that you have to make certain amount of profit for 2-3 consective years. But as usual, there is always creative accounting.

hichris123

That this is a theory? Or that I don't know what I'm talking about? ;P

Jason C

Both.

hichris123

12:29 AM

I freely admit to both.

in Charcoal HQ on The Stack Exchange Network Chat, Nov 26 '15 at 20:11, by hichris123

I have no clue what I'm doing.

Jason C

Personally, if they were like "we are going to.turn this into Facebook but we have to to make money" I'd be like "well that's sort of a bummer but +10 more power to you".

hichris123

You can get off your phone now @JasonC...

Jason C

I could have said that more eloquently but you know what I mean.

No that would.mean I also.have to get off my bed.

hichris123

(the "to.turn" gave it away)

Jason C

Not an option.

hichris123

12:31 AM

would.mean... also.have.

Jason C

We talked about this in here before. Actually I'm getting better at avoiding the dots.

hichris123

You're a millennial @JasonC. You should know how to type!

Jason C

The old me would've typed like a hundred of them in this sentence alone.

user202362

Also each IPO would cost you dearly if not successful

Doorknob

1 hour ago, by Quill

N.i.c.e

Jason C

12:32 AM

I am not. At least not in spirit. I'm also strongly anti touchscreen.

Quill

1 hour ago, by SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector ] Phone number detected in title: N.o.r.t.o.n s.u.p.p.o.r.t p.h.o.n.e n.u.m.b.e.r(((1 844 622 1091 N.o.r.t.o.n T.E.C.H s.u.p.p.o.r.t n.u.m.b.e.r by william tot on elementaryos.stackexchange.com (@Unihedron)

@JasonC ^ busted

hichris123

@JasonC But you're too lazy to get off of your bed.

Jason C

But I'm not actually on my bed. So there. I lie for humor value. What does that make me?

hichris123

A liar?

Jason C

A liar I guess.

Lol :(

Quill

12:34 AM

A standing liar

Jason C

I'm on my couch. >.>

Am I really a millenial

It can't be true. I was around before the internet. I can do real things! Ahhh!

Quill

sd f

Jason C

We I was born in 81. In limbo between gen x and millenials. I have no place in this world. :(

Quill

besides here :-)

Kit Z. Fox

If you were a real millenial, your couch could be your bed.

Jason C

12:38 AM

I think this means I feel entitled, but still really like Billy Idol.

Kit Z. Fox

Because he's retro?

Jason C

Oh god. I hope that's not why.

user202362

Jason C

Thanks guys for plunging me into a self image crisis.

I did wear flannel shirts in public until like 2012. But only because my fashion sense was stunted in 1995.

Kit Z. Fox

Well, Eddie Vedder was pretty cute.

Jason C

12:42 AM

@Quill PS Lol, awwww.

Kit Z. Fox

What happened to @Doorknob?

Srsly, your avatar looks pornographic.

Jason C

Mine?

user202362

Kit Z. Fox

@JasonC No, I meant Doorknob.

Quill

12:44 AM

@JasonC I'm not like these rude cats

Kit Z. Fox

Yours looks like an angry cow.

Shog9

Jason's is just a perfectly innocent three-legged dog

user202362

s/dog/poodle/

Kit Z. Fox

ohai, @Shog9.

user202362

'dog' is too flattery :x

Shog9

12:45 AM

'evening

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Quill

@Quill s/cats/kittens

Kit Z. Fox

@Shog9 I'm trying out the kryptonite rooms. I don't think I like them so much.

Shog9

the what?

oh, MSE/SO chats w/ no mod powers

Kit Z. Fox

Yeah. Look at me! I'm in black!

Woo!

Quill

12:47 AM

(Make sure to replace "Professor Careless" with the actual professor's name when copying and pasting this text.) — Dan Romik 9 hours ago

Jason C

IT IS A GIRAFFE. Admittedly with a misleadingly short neck.

Kit Z. Fox

Oh, like an okapi.

I'm sorry. I missed the ossicles in the small version.

hichris123

@JasonC * not drawn to scale

Jason C

How's about this, @Jason: if you upvote one of my posts, I'll upvote this one. — Shog9 ♦ 3 mins ago

Come on, man, I still have some morals.

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JamesENL

12:53 AM

sd k

Shog9

As a more serious answer, @Jason... This is part of the initiative Tim laid out in this post, the gist of which is: take side projects we've tried in the past that've sorta worked and give them the proper SO treatment. Part of that is Careers integration, which is already in place (Jobs) but in a really, really hacky manner; the next step is to take the pieces and replace the blind Careers copies with stuff that's more generally-useful and less... weird and out of place. — Shog9 ♦ 57 secs ago

Jason C

I just learned the word "giraffid". @tchrist I may graduate to 5th grade vocab soon.

Shog9

And before you respond, "but this is weird and out of place", I just wanna say that's why this is on meta in the form of a mock-up and not on SO in the form of something that actually reflects tons of developer time.

Quill

Of course they have revenue, our tears during WB

Jason C

I was going to say your face is weird and out of place but that works too.

But yeah, word.

Shog9

12:56 AM

quietly abandons proposal to put a giant picture of his face on everyone's profile

hichris123

@Shog9 The blood & guts of Q&A/moderation seems to have been... forgotten recently. Perhaps that's not true at all, but it seems that way. And remember... appearance is reality.

Quill

it's probably pretty easy to replace the src of all images on a page with javascript.

does SE does april fools day stuff?

hichris123

> Does your page design improve when you replace every image with William Howard Taft?

From idlewords.com/talks/website_obesity.htm. :P

Jason C

@hichris123 In their defence nothing has really been taken away from the QA stuff. Just... extra additions.

hichris123

@JasonC Exactly -- note the lack thereof of additions on the Q&A side.

Shog9

12:58 AM

@hichris123 Clearly we need to make a concerted effort to address this in 2016.

Slogan: Let's make Stack Overflow bloody and visceral again!

hichris123

Funny... but you got my point, methinks.

Quill

set medieval english as default language

Kit Z. Fox

Spring of Blood and Viscera.

Followed by the Summer of Bathing.

I'll let you mull on that.

Jason C

@Shog How about you take the remaining user complaints that banning "+1" didn't get rid of and make live deathmatches out of them instead.

user202362

I was going to start a question on whether there is any correlation between people who tend to road rage & people who tend to rage on the SE sites. But I don't know the best SE site to put it ... any thoughts?

Jason C

1:00 AM

There was that SE TV thing, it'd be perfect.

Shog9

Wait'll we get around to banning URL shorteners.

user202362

Not did I expect that there were any studies done on the issue.

Quill

@Telkitty psychology.se

Jason C

Crap, no more verbose comments peppered with links to animated gifs of squirrels wearing sunglasses.

Quill

or skeptics.se

user202362

1:02 AM

maybe ...

Jason C

@telkitty Totally honestly, my gut says no correlation. It's a different kind of rage. But I may be biased. I live in a neighborhood dominated by a culture that values machismo and peacocking. Road rage serves a purpose here.

Kit Z. Fox

@Quill "Is copper foil really better than aluminum foil for blocking harmful mind control rays?"

Quill

> yep, the CIA/China have powerful enough gear to break through aluminium, these days you gotta use copper

user202362

I would think that it's more about passive aggressive rage - hiding behind the wheel or behind the monitor is the same

Quill

I don't mind Skeptics, it's Lifehacks that's a joke

Jason C

1:05 AM

That's one way of looking at it. On the other hand it's territorial/physical rage vs intellectual rage. Different sources of self image.

Kit Z. Fox

@Telkitty Well, rage can be triggered by anything that makes a person feel suddenly powerless and humiliated.

Quill

@Telkitty I could imagine those who rage on SE potentially road raging, however not the reverse as much

Jason C

Road rage here is not hiding behind the wheel lol.

Kit Z. Fox

Like bananas. Or sunshine.

Jason C

It's more blocking a guy at an intersection, getting out, breaking his window and beating his ass.

Quill

1:06 AM

or downvotes

@JasonC that sounds more like organised crime

or grand theft auto online

Jason C

No joke I saw a guy get out of his car at a red light and pull a knife on a tow truck driver that had cut him off on the street here about two months ago.

Then a pedestrian convinced the guy to settle down. He got back in the car. Then the tow truck raced passed him, cut HIM off, called the cops and started raging right back.

It was face palm city.

Quill

that happened around here recently, a guy got pushed backward and subsequently was hit by another car and died

Jason C

That's pretty tragic.

Quill

yeah, except the news companies / facebook abused it like they usually do

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Jason C

1:09 AM

Meh just ignore that part. Sensationalization is just a normal thing you have to accept and shake your head at.

I got punched in the face by a driver once. I actually forgot about that.

Kit Z. Fox

We backed into a brand new truck on New Year's Eve.

Nicked up the bumper with the tow hitch.

Jason C

I was driving a box truck and clipped this guys mirror who was double parked on a 1 lane street. Which... My fault. I didn't do any damage though just tapped it. So I opened the window said sorry and.moved on.

He raced past me on the sidewalk and cut me off, and, with his family and little kid in the car no less, got out, walked around, reached in and grabbed my shirt and took a swing.

Kit Z. Fox

The guy was livid, but I guess he decided that we were 1. appropriately chagrined and 2. less likely to turn in a drunk cop who was preparing to drive his brand new truck if he just backed down. It all ended up OK.

Jason C

I ducked, he got madder and smashed my mirror with his fist.

Kit Z. Fox

Holy crap!

SmokeDetector

1:13 AM

[ SmokeDetector ] Offensive answer detected: How do I un-trust a computer that I have connected my iOS device to? by buttwhipe on apple.stackexchange.com

Jason C

Then all these ... Spirited black ladies... Sitting in their front porch right there tore into the guy and he walked away.

It was rather glorious.

Kit Z. Fox

Nice.

Quill

when does the film adaptation come out?

Jason C

Lol

Quill

I saw a video a few months ago from a dashboard cam of a guy that got carjacked

One of the carjackers pulled a pistol and when the driver got out

he accidentally hit the clip release button, and it went straight to the floor

he jumped back in the car and sped away

Jason C

1:15 AM

But that's the thing. That dude probably wouldn't be an SE rager. But definitely a road rager. In his mind I had somehow diminished his manliness and he had to get it back in front of his family, physically. He wasn't black, I won't say what he was, but he was a stereotype. It's just a cultural thing.

@quill Haha

Fail

I love watching criminal fail videos on YouTube.

There's a classic, I'd find it if I wasn't on my phone in my bed (or am I). With some dude who steals some ladies purse in a mall and runs, and this other guy walking casually just roundhouse kicked him in the face when he ran past.

Doorknob

@KitZ.Fox I've been told that by around four different people. I should really... fix it somehow. >_<

Kit Z. Fox

Reversing the colors would help.

Maybe.

Doorknob

Well, then the doorknob wouldn't be... doorknob-colored.

Kit Z. Fox

Or if it were some other kind of stylized doorknob? Like a ... oval one?

@Doorknob Right, but you could be avant-garde that way.

Doorknob

Maybe I should just get rid of the connecty-thingy entirely

Quill

1:27 AM

take a picture of a real one

Doorknob

My avatar used to be a real one...

Quill

make it personal, make it your doorknob

Doorknob

Hm, it actually looks okay sans connecty-thingy. I think I'll change it to this.

Jason C

Oh it does look pornographic.

Kit Z. Fox

Making the keyhole look less like a urethra would also help.

Jason C

1:30 AM

Lol... You should make something drippi... Nevermind. The children.

Doorknob

>____<

i.stack.imgur.com/tCkXE.png wow that's a big onebox

Better?

Jason C

Did you give it a cold shower?

Doorknob

ಠ_ಠ

Jason C

Just make a two frame animated gif out of those two versions.

Kit Z. Fox

@Doorknob It's better.

Doorknob

1:32 AM

@JasonC The original one was even worse. Let me try to find it...

this

Jason C

Lol

Doorknob

in The Nineteenth Byte on The Stack Exchange Network Chat, Dec 17 '15 at 0:51, by Alex A.

6/10 very phallic

Kit Z. Fox

omg

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Jason C

Kit Z. Fox

1:37 AM

Wow. That is. Something.

Quill

nah, make it turn

Doorknob

ಠ________ಠ

Jason C

At least that finally got me off my couch.

Quill

4 mins ago, by Doorknob

in The Nineteenth Byte on The Stack Exchange Network Chat, Dec 17 '15 at 0:51, by Alex A.

6/10 very phallic

4/10 now

hichris123

This is what happens when I leave? We go from Shog expounding great wisdom... to this?

Jason C

1:38 AM

It'll also expound great wisdom if you give it a minute.

Oh my god what have I become.

hichris123

@Shog9 My question still seems unanswered.

@JasonC A millennial.

Jason C

cry

Doorknob

To be fair, I should have anticipated this...

Quill

goddamn it Jason

I wonder how a flag on that would turn out...

Kit Z. Fox

Right. I was going to behave myself. I should have saved the rum for after the visit.

But I was nervous about meeting new people.

And now I'm disappointed that I already know everyone.

Jason C

1:40 AM

Let me at least caption it "chicken butt" before you flag it.

Haney will have a field day with it.

Oh wait you may not have been here for chicken-buttgate.

Doorknob

> chicken-buttgate

Kit Z. Fox

Oh. Do tell a nice story.

hichris123

Once upon a time...

Shog9

@hichris123 what question?

Is this like when folks on SO flag their own questions to beg the mods to answer them?

hichris123

@Shog9 Guess it was more of an observation. Let me rephrase:

Shog9

1:43 AM

> whyyyyyyyyyy?

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Kit Z. Fox

> Don't close. I have no wear to ask this!

hichris123

@Shog9 It seems that the blood & guts of Q&A/moderation has been forgotten recently. Is this true at all? It certainly seems this way. What steps is SE Inc. taking to avoid this impression?

Sorry, my copy editor was a little late to the party.

Shog9

> also, how are you planning to refute those wife-beating allegations?

Jason C

@SmokeDetector Now there's your millenial.

hichris123

1:46 AM

@Shog9 Yes, maybe my question is a bit pointed. And perhaps I'm being too direct. But I would like an answer - and I'm a little frustrated hearing nothing on the subject from staff other than a few peeps.

Shog9

@hichris123 good question for meta maybe?

hichris123

Maybe... if it gets answered by a reliable source. ;)

Jason C

It'd be a challenge to word that question so it didn't get ripped to shreds on meta.

Kit Z. Fox

I don't understand the question. What is lacking?

hichris123

@JasonC 50% will love it. 50% will hate it.

Kit Z. Fox

1:48 AM

Am I ... have I been too ... fluffy?

Jason C

Hint: I'd avoid the phrase "... but holy shit. Pardon my french"

Kit Z. Fox

raises eyebrow

Shog9

@KitZ.Fox guts.

And blood.

Kit Z. Fox

@Shog9 Whose guts?

Yours?

Jason C

(@Kit See smokey's previous post; if that eyebrow is pointing at me)

Kit Z. Fox

1:49 AM

gasp Is he calling you a pansy?

Shog9

So, blutwurst. SO needs more blutwurst.

Kit Z. Fox

@JasonC Oh. That's pretty offensive, you know.

Quill

you lot are worse than children at keeping focus

Kit Z. Fox

@Shog9 Blutwurst and petunias.

hichris123

@Quill It distracts you from the actual issues.

Quill

1:51 AM

you really ought to... oh look a butterfly

Kit Z. Fox

@Quill Keeping what now?

Jason C

Or some Caribbean blood sausage.

Quill

@KitZ.Fox change your avatar to dory

Kit Z. Fox

Around here "pardon my French" could start a brawl. We have a lot of francophones and them's fighting words.

Jason C

Are you in Canada?

Kit Z. Fox

1:52 AM

@JasonC Close enough.

I still don't understand the blood and guts though, @hichris123. Are you writing a Meta post for it?

Jason C

I visited Montreal once in like 2001. I don't know what was going on there at the time, some big election. And I remember my friend wouldn't let me speak English in certain neighborhoods.

Kit Z. Fox

Yeah. Anglo.

Jason C

It was apparently super tense at the time. She had to translate for me in all the convenience stores in her neighborhood so I wasn't discovered.

hichris123

@KitZ.Fox No, I was searching.

Part of it is similar to this:

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Q: Can we have a guaranteed pipeline for responses from Stack Exchange?

I think we should have some mechanism that automatically flags certain meta posts (both child metas and here) for Stack Exchange staff attention when they get beyond a certain point. The thresholds would be something like (subject to tweaking): Post is feature-request or bug Post has a score of...

Kit Z. Fox

@JasonC Must have been the third attempt at separation, maybe.

Quill

1:54 AM

@SmokeDetector sd f

cleaned up by JonEricson

hichris123

The other part is related to how there's all of these side projects like Teams/Documentation/Facebook thingy... and feature requests/bug reports from years back languish while crying for their mother.

Doorknob

They all have the same mother? That's weird.

hichris123

Again, perhaps that's not true, but see part a. No one knows that's not true. Therefore, it is true.

Doorknob

It's just one huge feature-request-bug-report family?

Quill

It's not Facebook, it's a new design for the CV page

Kit Z. Fox

1:55 AM

Oh. Not sure how that relates to blood and guts and moderation.

Quill

Whether it bares resemblance to Facebook's timeline is irrelevant

hichris123

@KitZ.Fox You're an ELU mod... thefreedictionary.com/blood-and-guts

> Dealing with fundamental concerns

Kit Z. Fox

Also, I'm a business analyst, so what I see is another user complaining that their pet thing isn't done and "I don't understand what's so hard" and "how can this little thing take so long?"

@hichris123 I guess I feel like that's overstating it.

Quill

@KitZ.Fox he's saying that the big issues of SE and the core system isn't being improved, whereas side projects are being focused on

hichris123

Yes, there are probably business priorities. But that isn't being communicated.

@Quill yeah.

Kit Z. Fox

1:58 AM

So you feel the business priorities should be more clearly communicated to the end user?

Like what Google and Microsoft do?

hichris123

It's a community run site.

Even if we're idiots sometimes.

Quill

Community moderated, Staff run

Kit Z. Fox

considers this

hichris123

> As always, it's a community, and authority derives from you, our users, even if you're sometimes idiots and we have to overrule you.

Kit Z. Fox

Kid tested, mother approved.

hichris123

1:59 AM

lol

Quill

Google and Microsoft don't cater to their customers as much as SE does; what Google and Microsoft say is gospel, unless people riot, nothing changes. SE stands out the front with a clipboard asking for opinions

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