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3:06 PM

Does anyone else in FF and chrome have the last item under Questions being cluttered with Ask Question on photo.stackexchange.com/questions

Nothing stands out under Chrome ...

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Chromium 34.0.1847.116 on Ubuntu

Version 35.0.1916.153 m of Chrome. But no repro.

It doesn't repro in IE11

aka, for once it works in IE11

#header.headeranon #hmenus .askquestion {
    top: 92px;
}
.askquestion {
    left: 0;
    position: absolute;
    top: 114px;
}

That top: 92px shouldn't be there

Also repro'd on FF 30.0

@rene Adding !important to the top: 114px in .askquestion fixes it; looks like it's being overridden by the other top

3:11 PM

I'm told to never use !important

That should be removed anyway, the menu is exactly the same for anonymous users.

Repro on Chrome 37.

Yeah, just kill the first 3 lines in that code you posted

Do I need to post a bug on meta.photo or is it reported now?

Post a bug.

3:13 PM

OK

@rene Actually don't

1

Q: Ask question/unanswered links are superimposed when logged out on the main site

If I’m not logged in on the main site, then the “Unanswered” and “Ask question” links are superimposed in the menu in the header. Here’s a screenshot which illustrates the behaviour: Hovering over the superimposed item, the “Ask question” link gets highlighted. The behaviour doesn’t occur on ...

Ah,

I was looking at the bugs but disn't find that one...

@rene You should post an answer about how to fix it

I posted a comment and pinged Abby, maybe she'll poke a designer/dev

Nah, the comment from tim will do

3:17 PM

SEDE still has a button for MyOpenID

Shhhh

SHHHHH

Yeah, I know.

Can we cv-pls stackoverflow.com/questions/24724144/…

Some authentication changes are in the pipe. Probably going to encourage authing via the SE API anyway since it lets us do more useful things, with supported OpenID/Oauth providers as a fallback.

Hmm have to update the Google provider too now that they've switched to stupid OpenID Connect. Gross.

@rene went for "debug/must include code"

user202362

It annoys me that every time I am trying to log on to the chat, it re-directs me to the main site after I log in ...

user202362

3:26 PM

minor issue really ...

It shouldn't...

@chmod711telkitty probably annoyed dev did some hack especially for you ;)

user202362

yeah right ... flattered. although it is more likely that you never tried to clear cookies on your browser :p

Cookies? I eat cookies, not clearing them! :D

repro-ed... it looks like the returnurl gets eaten on the way back

3:29 PM

@rene I smell MSE rep on its way.... ;)

well, there is one other post about a login/logout bug and one post from Shog9 so I'm not sure if this is related

user202362

eat cookies? like ... this?

user202362

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@rene not sure then post away worst case it'll get closed as dupe :)

downvote-pls meta.stackoverflow.com/a/265553/499214

(says not to flag link-only answers)

3:34 PM

@chmod711telkitty while looking for better picture I stumbled over this one. Now that's funny!

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Anyway, time expired, got to go.

bye @ShadowWizard

bye!

user202362

l8r

3:55 PM

@chmod711telkitty are you using an SE account for logging in in chat?

I think this describes the issue...

4:37 PM

cv-plz stackoverflow.com/questions/24724812/…

@rene i.3v.fi/1405269414.png

@3ventic Tnx, fixed it...

5:17 PM

"How do I foo the bar?" "Use jQuery." That meets your criteria for non-VLQ? — bjb568 27 mins ago

@bjb568 That would be a library suggestion, not a method suggestion

But jQuery is a method.

For everything.

it's a library / framework

So?

What if it was "How can a render a cube?" "Use 3.js"?

so it doesn't point to a solution

5:20 PM

jQuery (and plugins) solves all world problems.

"Any post that attempts to answer the question, however badly is still an answer."

"how do I drive a nail into the wall" - "the toolbox is in the basement"

I know that's a comment and should be and I do recommend deletion, but it is still an attempt.

Can you offer a better definition?

Of an attempt?

Trying to help find a solution.

"Use jQuery" is.

If say the criterion is "does it point to a solution?", "use jQuery" still fits.

5:26 PM

Yes.

And it disturbs me that some people refuse to delete those answers.

I guess the best answer to asking for a perfect NAA definition is "use your brain"

:2189363 still?

user163250

@Bart oops, I said "delete" votes...what I meant to say was "downvotes".

"Answer the question
Read the question carefully. What, specifically, is the question asking for? Make sure your answer provides that – or a viable alternative. The answer can be “don’t do that”, but it should also include “try this instead”. Any answer that gets the asker going in the right direction is helpful, but do try to mention any limitations, assumptions or simplifications in your answer. Brevity is acceptable, but fuller explanations are better."

user163250

@JanDvorak yes I'm still out, but no, that particular answer isn't a problem anymore.

@Cupcake What do you think the virtually unlimited VLQs are for?

5:30 PM

@bjb568 Good one. Offer that to Martjin.

@bjb568 VLQs, which you have 100 of if you're a veteran, is virtually unlimited with respect to downvotes, which you have 30-40 of from the very beginning?

Yes. When out of downvotes, half of the home page can still be VLQ'd.

@bjb568 No. VLQ is saying this can never be salvaged. If it's worthy of a downvote/closevote, that does not automatically make it VLQ worthy.

@bjb568 Other options include Youtube, Twitch.tv, 2048, nature...

@hichris123 Half the homepage.

@bjb568 Somehow I doubt half of the homepage should be deleted instantly...

5:37 PM

(exaggerations on the internet)

Anyway, closing is the only thing VLQ actually does on questions.

cv-plz stackoverflow.com/questions/24725396/… also downvote

@bjb568 Please read the VLQ description...

@JanDvorak 300 character answers only work for bad questions which don't deserve answers. — bjb568 36 secs ago

@bjb568 ... ???

hey people

@Second I know what it's for, but functionally, they only get closed.

5:41 PM

hello

hi

@JanDvorak If the answer is just "Make #somediv inline-block. This makes it be like a block (rectangle with a width and height), but it will still be on the same line as inline or inline-block elements before it. [link to mdn]", then it should be closed as a dup of canonical inline-block reference.

@bjb568 how long will the canonical answer be?

More detailed.

Like more than 600 chars.

Those would be "good answers", but you said "work for"

Bad answers to popular questions aren't automatically NAA

cv-plz stackoverflow.com/questions/24725471/…

5:44 PM

345

A: What is the difference between display: inline and display: inline-block?

A visual answer Imagine a <span> element inside a <div>. If you give the <span> element a height of 100px and a red border for example, it will look like this with. display: inline display: inline-block display: block Code: http://jsfiddle.net/Mta2b/ Elements with display:inline-bloc...

@JanDvorak No, the point is not to delete the bad answers on the canonical dup, it is to have one for the purpose of having one good answer.

@bjb568 the last answer on that question is NAA

Yes.

@bjb568 the point of that meta question is to define non-answers, not good answers.

user163250

I gave this guy the opportunity to answer this question earlier, but he still got it wrong: stackoverflow.com/questions/24720975/…

user163250

<facepalm>

5:47 PM

@Cupcake is this a downvote-request?

user163250

No.

user163250

Just pointing out the fail :P

user163250

I need to stop using downvotes so liberally on questions.

Why?

user163250

Because I won't have enough for when I really need them: downvoting bad answers :P

5:48 PM

@JanDvorak Some types of answers that can be under 600 chars are comments. Some of them are pointers to a bad question. A bad question like that is probably best closed as a dup of a canonical reference. The canonical reference's purpose is to have a good explanation to a variety of questions about that concept so the bad questions can be closed as dup so the bad answers can be prevented.

Spend less time on SO :-)

user163250

@JanDvorak yeah, that too :P

@bjb568 Bad answers don't imply bad questions

@JanDvorak If an answer is under 600 chars it is either bad (i.e. NAA, convert to comment) or good (i.e. the question is so bad that a 600 char answer answers it).

You can't imply that an answer shorter than 300 characters to a question that becomes insanely popular is NAA.

5:51 PM

Why not?

@bjb568 it can be bad without being NAA bad.

The 10kers have complained before of popular questions and hundreds of deleted answers on the bottom. I think they are NAA bad.

Do you have a specific example that you want to discuss further?

Every protected question?

I do remember the 2048 question having a lot of deleted answers

I'm not complaining, I just never got to ask for an explanation.

5:54 PM

Not every answer under 600 should be deleted, but at least 9 out of 10 of them point to something wrong.

The point of definitions is to apply to "every" subject. If you want to go probabilistically - how frequent are the "try [library]" non-answers?

Well that's link-only (if there even is a link to the code) and incomplete (no explanation of how to use the code unless there's the docs which is also a link (which usually isn't directly linked to anyway)). All the time, convert to comment.

(assuming it only says "try [library]")

are they link-only according to martjin's definition?

Unless they are "use jQuery" on a C++ question, it's probably at least an attempt to be helpful, so no.

user163250

6:14 PM

Will moderators enforce removing "hope this helps" and signatures from posts?: stackoverflow.com/questions/7861184/…

user163250

I'm reluctant to edit that one out because the OP has a history of not liking that and rolling back edits.

Do it. If the user behaves badly, get a mod to help.

Too much of that is enough for a short suspension.

@bjb568 I want to see that in action

user163250

-3

Q: Why Does Stack Overflow Avoid Gender in Profiles?

I noticed many posts about how to address individuals due to the ambiguity of their gender on the internet (including Stack Exchange) such as these: The use of gender-specific pronouns on Stack Overflow Editing out gender pronouns in answers As a young (relatively, 21) female student working ...

discussion profile-page

user163250

It has -3 votes :P

user163250

6:19 PM

That's a shame.

user163250

Looks like more women are answering now though, which is cool.

@JanDvorak The deleted question that had over a hundred rollbacks (OP basically wanted the hot question deleted) got OP 10 years of suspension.

user163250

I'm still looking forward to Anna's answer though.

It's hard for non-10kers to do anything.

@bjb568 I mean, for rolling back thanks

6:27 PM

Close, plz

NAA the answers too.

That, too

1 cv left: stackoverflow.com/q/24081619/2888561

@bjb568 too broad?

Too broad, unclear, apparently simple typo?

I dunno, I just see no question and a wall of code.

6:33 PM

SPAM: money.stackexchange.com/a/35160/15245

6:57 PM

dv, cv stackoverflow.com/q/15174289/2888561

user163250

7:31 PM

@hichris123 how do you know that that's spam?

@Cupcake It used to be. ;P (got nuked) it was an answer saying "minecruft gift cards"... something like that.

user163250

Oh, I see.

user163250

There was one like that on some other exchange too I think.

Any one an xcode/ios interface builder that can check if I didn't screw up this edit: stackoverflow.com/questions/24270078/…

That is in the context of this meta.so question

Ah, looks like there is more context needed...

Ok, I screwed up..

user163250

7:50 PM

cv-pls duplicate stackoverflow.com/questions/24724879/…

user163250

I'm actually conflicted on this duplicate: stackoverflow.com/questions/2510276/undoing-git-reset

user163250

I'm retracting my close vote for that last one.

Pff...

Pay attention please... :-)

user163250

Sorry!

OK...

8:01 PM

@rene Are you watching the game?

nope

I can if you want to...

meh.

0-0 right now.

What game?

germany vs argentina

wc soccer

final

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992 helpful flags; 3 awaiting review

8:04 PM

Good match for a final

@rene Oh, people still do physical things?

@bjb568 Wildcats!

@bjb568 It might be a recording, just like the landing on the moon

3

Oh. Or a simulation.

possible

8:09 PM

Like the hungry games or something.

Now that's something I'd watch

The... "hungry" games?

Or something.

must eat...hungry...

I just realized I haven't had lunch...

user163250

8:37 PM

fyi, for anyone reviewing the reviewers...

user163250

5

A: Is Community auto modifying code indentations now?

This is a targeted attempt at trolling a particular user. We've suspended the primary account of the person responsible, and now they appear to have taken to abusing anonymous edits to continue to troll this user. Unfortunately, reviewers keep approving these unnecessary code formatting edits. L...

user163250

Up to 36 revisions on this thing: stackoverflow.com/posts/24620229/revisions

Wow, what's that guy's problem?

Wow!

user163250

8:54 PM

Oh shiznick.

user163250

I caught these guys scraping SO without proper attribution: coderexception.com/C1HN3BzHPWJWJXxX/….

user163250

There's a link back to the question, but it's been nofollowed, which is a big no-no.

user163250

9:07 PM

Reported >:D I hope @Pops pokes them with a sharp pointy stick.

What about me? I was about to go start laundry, dangit!

Oho, new SCRAPER? I'll throw 'em on my list.

Make sure you take all the cereal out of your pockets before starting the washer.

user163250

I guess the advertising revenue off of scrapers must be lucrative enough despite the high risk of getting caught.

@animuson You've done that before?

user163250

When the original SO post is in the same search results as the scraper, it's kind of obvious who copied from who...

9:13 PM

cv-plz stackoverflow.com/questions/24726991/…

cv-plz stackoverflow.com/questions/24551160/…

cv-plz stackoverflow.com/questions/24543860/botnet-rally-mechanism

cv-plz stackoverflow.com/questions/24303891/…

The virus tag is just pure crap.

cv-plz stackoverflow.com/questions/24223522/remove-regclean-pro

@hichris123 I remember when someone asked about Heartbleed on MSO/MSE, and tagged it as virus.

@animuson I now suspect that you have kids or little siblings. Or maybe you babysit. Something small-child-related. (Or was that a Gotta Have My Pops joke?)

A CM!

hi

@Pops The last one.

Gotta have my pops, bitch!

9:24 PM

donedonedonedone

Pops-Perturbing Pedantic Problem of the Day: @animuson

7

Wooo!

@animuson What's it like being a pedantic problem of the day?

I find it rather shallow and pedantic.

9:52 PM

What happened? I remember posting "donedonedonedone" after the 4 cv-plz...

I'll just blame it on the intertubes.

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^ Ok, so why is it deleted?

@bjb568 Sometimes strange things happen in the mod world.

Want to pass me a link to the post?

user163250

I heard that on Stack Exchange, no one can hear you scream...

user163250

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@Undo stackoverflow.com/questions/21482580/…

What? Wow... suspended for an hour from SO chat for posting "inappropriate content" (&ampampamp)...

user163250

@bjb568 who, you?

10:06 PM

Yeah.

user163250

cv-pls too broad stackoverflow.com/questions/21662778/…

user163250

Well, at least it's just an hour.

user image

user202362

10:52 PM

@rene No, I am using gmail account

Tonight's Listening | EDM / Electro

NSFW language and album art ^

11:12 PM

That's quite good.

They named the second, third, and fourth most important things in life, but what about programming?

user202362

paypal is seriously ripping me off on exchange rate ... wtf

user202362

paypal Exchange rate:
1 Australian Dollar = 0.9045 US Dollars

user202362

1.00 USD = 1.06537 AUD real exchange rate Mid-market rates: 2014-07-13 23:21 UTC

user202362

or 1 Australian Dollar = 0.93877 US Dollars

11:36 PM

@bjb568 ;)

Have another one, since that was just one song

electronic / synth

also watch the video

omg

user163250

cv-pls duplicate stackoverflow.com/questions/24724879/… one more vote to seal the deal

that was fun

@GnomeSlice thank you

pretty good right

I have even better news

the whole album is free perturbator.bandcamp.com/album/dangerous-days

nsfw cover art

i'm going to listen to this

not sure about nsfw and such, it's a thing with 10 arms

10 arms and two legs

12 limbs

11:51 PM

@Alex Hm. Will have to check this out.

I used to be pretty into metal

@GnomeSlice that album art is a bit conan the barbarian really

Yeah, well it has TnA in it, so nsfw

conan the barbarian meets far cry 3 blood dragon perhaps

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