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rene

15:06

Does anyone else in FF and chrome have the last item under Questions being cluttered with Ask Question on photo.stackexchange.com/questions

Bart

Nothing stands out under Chrome ...

Doorknob

Chromium 34.0.1847.116 on Ubuntu

Bart

Version 35.0.1916.153 m of Chrome. But no repro.

rene

It doesn't repro in IE11

aka, for once it works in IE11

#header.headeranon #hmenus .askquestion {
    top: 92px;
}
.askquestion {
    left: 0;
    position: absolute;
    top: 114px;
}

That top: 92px shouldn't be there

Doorknob

Also repro'd on FF 30.0

@rene Adding !important to the top: 114px in .askquestion fixes it; looks like it's being overridden by the other top

rene

15:11

I'm told to never use !important

Tim Stone

That should be removed anyway, the menu is exactly the same for anonymous users.

hichris123

Repro on Chrome 37.

Doorknob

Yeah, just kill the first 3 lines in that code you posted

rene

Do I need to post a bug on meta.photo or is it reported now?

Tim Stone

Post a bug.

rene

15:13

OK

Tim Stone

@rene Actually don't

1

Q: Ask question/unanswered links are superimposed when logged out on the main site

If I’m not logged in on the main site, then the “Unanswered” and “Ask question” links are superimposed in the menu in the header. Here’s a screenshot which illustrates the behaviour: Hovering over the superimposed item, the “Ask question” link gets highlighted. The behaviour doesn’t occur on ...

rene

Ah,

I was looking at the bugs but disn't find that one...

Doorknob

@rene You should post an answer about how to fix it

Tim Stone

I posted a comment and pinged Abby, maybe she'll poke a designer/dev

rene

Nah, the comment from tim will do

3ventic

15:17

SEDE still has a button for MyOpenID

Tim Stone

Shhhh

SHHHHH

Yeah, I know.

rene

Can we cv-pls stackoverflow.com/questions/24724144/…

Tim Stone

Some authentication changes are in the pipe. Probably going to encourage authing via the SE API anyway since it lets us do more useful things, with supported OpenID/Oauth providers as a fallback.

Hmm have to update the Google provider too now that they've switched to stupid OpenID Connect. Gross.

Jan Dvorak

@rene went for "debug/must include code"

user202362

It annoys me that every time I am trying to log on to the chat, it re-directs me to the main site after I log in ...

user202362

15:26

minor issue really ...

rene

It shouldn't...

Shadow Wizard

@chmod711telkitty probably annoyed dev did some hack especially for you ;)

user202362

yeah right ... flattered. although it is more likely that you never tried to clear cookies on your browser :p

Shadow Wizard

Cookies? I eat cookies, not clearing them! :D

rene

repro-ed... it looks like the returnurl gets eaten on the way back

Shadow Wizard

15:29

@rene I smell MSE rep on its way.... ;)

rene

well, there is one other post about a login/logout bug and one post from Shog9 so I'm not sure if this is related

user202362

eat cookies? like ... this?

user202362

Shadow Wizard

@rene not sure then post away worst case it'll get closed as dupe :)

Jan Dvorak

downvote-pls meta.stackoverflow.com/a/265553/499214

(says not to flag link-only answers)

Shadow Wizard

15:34

@chmod711telkitty while looking for better picture I stumbled over this one. Now that's funny!

Anyway, time expired, got to go.

rene

bye @ShadowWizard

Shadow Wizard

bye!

user202362

l8r

rene

15:55

@chmod711telkitty are you using an SE account for logging in in chat?

I think this describes the issue...

hichris123

16:37

cv-plz stackoverflow.com/questions/24724812/…

3ventic

@rene i.3v.fi/1405269414.png

rene

@3ventic Tnx, fixed it...

bjb568

17:17

"How do I foo the bar?" "Use jQuery." That meets your criteria for non-VLQ? — bjb568 27 mins ago

Jan Dvorak

@bjb568 That would be a library suggestion, not a method suggestion

bjb568

But jQuery is a method.

For everything.

Jan Dvorak

it's a library / framework

bjb568

So?

What if it was "How can a render a cube?" "Use 3.js"?

Jan Dvorak

so it doesn't point to a solution

bjb568

17:20

jQuery (and plugins) solves all world problems.

"Any post that attempts to answer the question, however badly is still an answer."

Jan Dvorak

"how do I drive a nail into the wall" - "the toolbox is in the basement"

bjb568

I know that's a comment and should be and I do recommend deletion, but it is still an attempt.

Jan Dvorak

Can you offer a better definition?

bjb568

Of an attempt?

Trying to help find a solution.

"Use jQuery" is.

Jan Dvorak

If say the criterion is "does it point to a solution?", "use jQuery" still fits.

bjb568

17:26

Yes.

And it disturbs me that some people refuse to delete those answers.

Jan Dvorak

I guess the best answer to asking for a perfect NAA definition is "use your brain"

:2189363 still?

user163250

@Bart oops, I said "delete" votes...what I meant to say was "downvotes".

bjb568

"Answer the question
Read the question carefully. What, specifically, is the question asking for? Make sure your answer provides that – or a viable alternative. The answer can be “don’t do that”, but it should also include “try this instead”. Any answer that gets the asker going in the right direction is helpful, but do try to mention any limitations, assumptions or simplifications in your answer. Brevity is acceptable, but fuller explanations are better."

user163250

@JanDvorak yes I'm still out, but no, that particular answer isn't a problem anymore.

bjb568

@Cupcake What do you think the virtually unlimited VLQs are for?

Jan Dvorak

17:30

@bjb568 Good one. Offer that to Martjin.

@bjb568 VLQs, which you have 100 of if you're a veteran, is virtually unlimited with respect to downvotes, which you have 30-40 of from the very beginning?

bjb568

Yes. When out of downvotes, half of the home page can still be VLQ'd.

hichris123

@bjb568 No. VLQ is saying this can never be salvaged. If it's worthy of a downvote/closevote, that does not automatically make it VLQ worthy.

Jan Dvorak

@bjb568 Other options include Youtube, Twitch.tv, 2048, nature...

bjb568

@hichris123 Half the homepage.

hichris123

@bjb568 Somehow I doubt half of the homepage should be deleted instantly...

bjb568

17:37

(exaggerations on the internet)

Anyway, closing is the only thing VLQ actually does on questions.

hichris123

cv-plz stackoverflow.com/questions/24725396/… also downvote

Second Rikudo

@bjb568 Please read the VLQ description...

Jan Dvorak

@JanDvorak 300 character answers only work for bad questions which don't deserve answers. — bjb568 36 secs ago

@bjb568 ... ???

TGMCians

hey people

bjb568

@Second I know what it's for, but functionally, they only get closed.

Jan Dvorak

17:41

hello

bjb568

hi

@JanDvorak If the answer is just "Make #somediv inline-block. This makes it be like a block (rectangle with a width and height), but it will still be on the same line as inline or inline-block elements before it. [link to mdn]", then it should be closed as a dup of canonical inline-block reference.

Jan Dvorak

@bjb568 how long will the canonical answer be?

bjb568

More detailed.

Like more than 600 chars.

Jan Dvorak

Those would be "good answers", but you said "work for"

Bad answers to popular questions aren't automatically NAA

hichris123

cv-plz stackoverflow.com/questions/24725471/…

bjb568

17:44

345

A: What is the difference between display: inline and display: inline-block?

A visual answer Imagine a <span> element inside a <div>. If you give the <span> element a height of 100px and a red border for example, it will look like this with. display: inline display: inline-block display: block Code: http://jsfiddle.net/Mta2b/ Elements with display:inline-bloc...

@JanDvorak No, the point is not to delete the bad answers on the canonical dup, it is to have one for the purpose of having one good answer.

Jan Dvorak

@bjb568 the last answer on that question is NAA

bjb568

Yes.

Jan Dvorak

@bjb568 the point of that meta question is to define non-answers, not good answers.

user163250

I gave this guy the opportunity to answer this question earlier, but he still got it wrong: stackoverflow.com/questions/24720975/…

user163250

<facepalm>

Jan Dvorak

17:47

@Cupcake is this a downvote-request?

user163250

No.

user163250

Just pointing out the fail :P

user163250

I need to stop using downvotes so liberally on questions.

Jan Dvorak

Why?

user163250

Because I won't have enough for when I really need them: downvoting bad answers :P

bjb568

17:48

@JanDvorak Some types of answers that can be under 600 chars are comments. Some of them are pointers to a bad question. A bad question like that is probably best closed as a dup of a canonical reference. The canonical reference's purpose is to have a good explanation to a variety of questions about that concept so the bad questions can be closed as dup so the bad answers can be prevented.

Jan Dvorak

Spend less time on SO :-)

user163250

@JanDvorak yeah, that too :P

Jan Dvorak

@bjb568 Bad answers don't imply bad questions

bjb568

@JanDvorak If an answer is under 600 chars it is either bad (i.e. NAA, convert to comment) or good (i.e. the question is so bad that a 600 char answer answers it).

Jan Dvorak

You can't imply that an answer shorter than 300 characters to a question that becomes insanely popular is NAA.

bjb568

17:51

Why not?

Jan Dvorak

@bjb568 it can be bad without being NAA bad.

bjb568

The 10kers have complained before of popular questions and hundreds of deleted answers on the bottom. I think they are NAA bad.

Jan Dvorak

Do you have a specific example that you want to discuss further?

bjb568

Every protected question?

Jan Dvorak

I do remember the 2048 question having a lot of deleted answers

I'm not complaining, I just never got to ask for an explanation.

bjb568

17:54

Not every answer under 600 should be deleted, but at least 9 out of 10 of them point to something wrong.

Jan Dvorak

The point of definitions is to apply to "every" subject. If you want to go probabilistically - how frequent are the "try [library]" non-answers?

bjb568

Well that's link-only (if there even is a link to the code) and incomplete (no explanation of how to use the code unless there's the docs which is also a link (which usually isn't directly linked to anyway)). All the time, convert to comment.

(assuming it only says "try [library]")

Jan Dvorak

are they link-only according to martjin's definition?

bjb568

Unless they are "use jQuery" on a C++ question, it's probably at least an attempt to be helpful, so no.

user163250

18:14

Will moderators enforce removing "hope this helps" and signatures from posts?: stackoverflow.com/questions/7861184/…

user163250

I'm reluctant to edit that one out because the OP has a history of not liking that and rolling back edits.

bjb568

Do it. If the user behaves badly, get a mod to help.

Too much of that is enough for a short suspension.

Jan Dvorak

@bjb568 I want to see that in action

user163250

-3

Q: Why Does Stack Overflow Avoid Gender in Profiles?

I noticed many posts about how to address individuals due to the ambiguity of their gender on the internet (including Stack Exchange) such as these: The use of gender-specific pronouns on Stack Overflow Editing out gender pronouns in answers As a young (relatively, 21) female student working ...

discussion profile-page

user163250

It has -3 votes :P

user163250

18:19

That's a shame.

user163250

Looks like more women are answering now though, which is cool.

bjb568

@JanDvorak The deleted question that had over a hundred rollbacks (OP basically wanted the hot question deleted) got OP 10 years of suspension.

user163250

I'm still looking forward to Anna's answer though.

bjb568

It's hard for non-10kers to do anything.

Jan Dvorak

@bjb568 I mean, for rolling back thanks

Jamal

18:27

Close, plz

bjb568

NAA the answers too.

Jamal

That, too

bjb568

1 cv left: stackoverflow.com/q/24081619/2888561

hichris123

@bjb568 too broad?

bjb568

Too broad, unclear, apparently simple typo?

I dunno, I just see no question and a wall of code.

hichris123

18:33

SPAM: money.stackexchange.com/a/35160/15245

bjb568

18:57

dv, cv stackoverflow.com/q/15174289/2888561

user163250

19:31

@hichris123 how do you know that that's spam?

hichris123

@Cupcake It used to be. ;P (got nuked) it was an answer saying "minecruft gift cards"... something like that.

user163250

Oh, I see.

user163250

There was one like that on some other exchange too I think.

rene

Any one an xcode/ios interface builder that can check if I didn't screw up this edit: stackoverflow.com/questions/24270078/…

That is in the context of this meta.so question

Ah, looks like there is more context needed...

Ok, I screwed up..

user163250

19:50

cv-pls duplicate stackoverflow.com/questions/24724879/…

user163250

I'm actually conflicted on this duplicate: stackoverflow.com/questions/2510276/undoing-git-reset

user163250

I'm retracting my close vote for that last one.

rene

Pff...

Pay attention please... :-)

user163250

Sorry!

rene

OK...

hichris123

20:01

@rene Are you watching the game?

rene

nope

I can if you want to...

hichris123

meh.

0-0 right now.

bjb568

What game?

rene

germany vs argentina

wc soccer

final

Cole Johnson

992 helpful flags; 3 awaiting review

Bart

20:04

Good match for a final

bjb568

@rene Oh, people still do physical things?

Cole Johnson

@bjb568 Wildcats!

rene

@bjb568 It might be a recording, just like the landing on the moon

3

bjb568

Oh. Or a simulation.

rene

possible

bjb568

20:09

Like the hungry games or something.

Bart

Now that's something I'd watch

hichris123

The... "hungry" games?

bjb568

Or something.

rene

must eat...hungry...

bjb568

I just realized I haven't had lunch...

user163250

20:37

fyi, for anyone reviewing the reviewers...

user163250

5

A: Is Community auto modifying code indentations now?

This is a targeted attempt at trolling a particular user. We've suspended the primary account of the person responsible, and now they appear to have taken to abusing anonymous edits to continue to troll this user. Unfortunately, reviewers keep approving these unnecessary code formatting edits. L...

user163250

Up to 36 revisions on this thing: stackoverflow.com/posts/24620229/revisions

Bart

Wow, what's that guy's problem?

bjb568

Wow!

user163250

20:54

Oh shiznick.

user163250

I caught these guys scraping SO without proper attribution: coderexception.com/C1HN3BzHPWJWJXxX/….

user163250

There's a link back to the question, but it's been nofollowed, which is a big no-no.

user163250

21:07

Reported >:D I hope @Pops pokes them with a sharp pointy stick.

Pops

What about me? I was about to go start laundry, dangit!

Oho, new SCRAPER? I'll throw 'em on my list.

animuson

Make sure you take all the cereal out of your pockets before starting the washer.

user163250

I guess the advertising revenue off of scrapers must be lucrative enough despite the high risk of getting caught.

hichris123

@animuson You've done that before?

user163250

When the original SO post is in the same search results as the scraper, it's kind of obvious who copied from who...

hichris123

21:13

cv-plz stackoverflow.com/questions/24726991/…

cv-plz stackoverflow.com/questions/24551160/…

cv-plz stackoverflow.com/questions/24543860/botnet-rally-mechanism

cv-plz stackoverflow.com/questions/24303891/…

The virus tag is just pure crap.

cv-plz stackoverflow.com/questions/24223522/remove-regclean-pro

Jamal

@hichris123 I remember when someone asked about Heartbleed on MSO/MSE, and tagged it as virus.

Pops

@animuson I now suspect that you have kids or little siblings. Or maybe you babysit. Something small-child-related. (Or was that a Gotta Have My Pops joke?)

Undo

A CM!

hi

animuson

@Pops The last one.

Jamal

►

Gotta have my pops, bitch!

bjb568

21:24

donedonedonedone

Pops

Pops-Perturbing Pedantic Problem of the Day: @animuson

7

animuson

Wooo!

Undo

@animuson What's it like being a pedantic problem of the day?

animuson

I find it rather shallow and pedantic.

bjb568

21:52

What happened? I remember posting "donedonedonedone" after the 4 cv-plz...

I'll just blame it on the intertubes.

^ Ok, so why is it deleted?

Undo

@bjb568 Sometimes strange things happen in the mod world.

Want to pass me a link to the post?

user163250

I heard that on Stack Exchange, no one can hear you scream...

user163250

bjb568

@Undo stackoverflow.com/questions/21482580/…

What? Wow... suspended for an hour from SO chat for posting "inappropriate content" (&ampampamp)...

user163250

@bjb568 who, you?

bjb568

22:06

Yeah.

user163250

cv-pls too broad stackoverflow.com/questions/21662778/…

user163250

Well, at least it's just an hour.

bjb568

user202362

22:52

@rene No, I am using gmail account

GnomeSlice

Tonight's Listening | EDM / Electro

NSFW language and album art ^

bjb568

23:12

That's quite good.

They named the second, third, and fourth most important things in life, but what about programming?

user202362

paypal is seriously ripping me off on exchange rate ... wtf

user202362

paypal Exchange rate:
1 Australian Dollar = 0.9045 US Dollars

user202362

1.00 USD = 1.06537 AUD real exchange rate Mid-market rates: 2014-07-13 23:21 UTC

user202362

or 1 Australian Dollar = 0.93877 US Dollars

GnomeSlice

23:36

@bjb568 ;)

Have another one, since that was just one song

►

electronic / synth

also watch the video

Alex

omg

user163250

cv-pls duplicate stackoverflow.com/questions/24724879/… one more vote to seal the deal

Alex

that was fun

@GnomeSlice thank you

GnomeSlice

pretty good right

I have even better news

the whole album is free perturbator.bandcamp.com/album/dangerous-days

nsfw cover art

Alex

i'm going to listen to this

►

not sure about nsfw and such, it's a thing with 10 arms

10 arms and two legs

12 limbs

GnomeSlice

23:51

@Alex Hm. Will have to check this out.

I used to be pretty into metal

Alex

@GnomeSlice that album art is a bit conan the barbarian really

GnomeSlice

Yeah, well it has TnA in it, so nsfw

Alex

conan the barbarian meets far cry 3 blood dragon perhaps

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