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12:15 AM
@JoshC You need more accepted answers! :P
@hichris123 :D
 
@DoorknobofSnow Did you make a new icon for Charcoal yet?
 
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Q: What changed in the Hot Questions sidebar algorithm?

UndoI've recently noticed that the hot questions list is now different almost every time I look at it. It used to be static - I.e. I could browse around for half an hour and the items on it would be minimally changed. Was the algorithm changed? How?

 
Has white space around the 'C', remove it @DoorknobofSnow
 
12:34 AM
@ManofSnow ???
 
@Shog I'm 100% undecided on the different hot questions algo. I like the variety and I don't like the variety :P
It makes it harder to say, "I wanna look at that one and then that one and then that one"
But you do see more variety. So I dunno.
 
@Undo the point of A/B testing is to figure out whether folks like it better en masse - that is, are folks clicking through and reading, or are they just ignoring it. If random selection is a better strategy in general, then it might be worth tweaking that for individual preferences.
 
Exactly. I'm just giving you my opinions ;)
 
Or not. Frankly, I kinda suspect you're in a pretty small group and one that is already served by stackexchange.com/questions
 
Yeah, probably.
goes back to making edit queue for low quality questions
 
12:49 AM
@Undo Psh I was in the process of fixing that. xP
 
Sorry :P
 
I didn't know a review could record two Edit actions. Weird.
 
Very weird.
 
impatiently waits for tax refund so I can buy Adobe software
 
hehe
 
12:52 AM
It's been two hours already! Come on, IRS!
 
@animuson What, are they supposed to electronically deposit it?
 
Direct deposit. :)
 
huh
Maybe their servers are borked.
 
They have to process it. Lol
I probably won't get it for like a week.
I'm just impatient.
Oh, really? Nice. Out of 340 lines of code I only had one error where I accidentally defined a property as abstract... I'm good. 8)
 
1:20 AM
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Q: How does the shipment tracking system works (post, dhl, amazon, etc)

JeremyI was wondering how does the shipment tracking system works - was trying to understand the work flow there. For example, if there is a postal company who wants to have their own shipment tracking service for their clients, how should I go about that ? I mean, who all will be the guys who would ...

> I mean, who all will be the guys who would update the system time to time, and how.
Heh
 
time for sleepings
night
 
night
 
1:54 AM
Hi again bots!
 
@hichris123 Syntax error: unexpected identifier again
 
@JoshC What's the difference between what I've been doing and PHP date?
!!hi again bots
 
@hichris123 Argument error: too many arguments (2 for 0..1)
 
!!hi
 
@hichris123 !!hi
 
1:57 AM
Hi.
 
2:10 AM
@Braiam You don't like me. :P
 
Back
 
@Undo Are you here?
 
Oh the joy of pre-designing pages because you don't want to write the actual code to make them work.
 
@animuson Why all the security with the PIN's and stuff?
 
@animuson "five to ten numbers." Why???? So annoying when websites do this :(
 
2:22 AM
Security!!
 
> First off, like you've probably heard a million times before, never select to always stay authenticated when you are using any sort of public computer, or any computer to which another person has unrestricted access. As well, make sure you unauthenticate after using the panel on such a computer.
 
What's so special about the Animuson Network that it needs to be secure @animuson?
 
@ManofSnow That is my logo...
 
This is a dev panel...
 
2:23 AM
1 min ago, by Doorknob of Snow
@animuson "five to ten numbers." Why???? So annoying when websites do this :(
 
@DoorknobofSnow I needed it to be on i.stack.imgur or it won't allow it on stackapps
 
@ManofSnow that doesn't mean you have to post it here
 
@DoorknobofSnow Did you want more numbers?
 
@DoorknobofSnow Then where do I post it?
 
@animuson Where do you store your source code?
 
2:24 AM
@animuson Well, I'm just asking why there is a maximum (or why it has to be numbers only in the first place...)
@ManofSnow you don't...
 
You should see the passwords that the Election Commission assigns you. Holy crap.
 
@animuson Other people are going to use it besides you?
 
@DoorknobofSnow stackapps only allows icons for apps that are from i.stack.imgur, and the only way to post images there is to put them somewhere, like a post or a message
 
Only a few other people.
 
Give it to me then. I won't do anything bad, I promise. :P
 
2:26 AM
@ManofSnow No, you could just upload it on a SE site instead of sending it to chat...
(in any case, you could delete the chat message now)
 
@DoorknobofSnow You mean upload it on a post, and then discard the post? Also, why can't I leave it for the public to enjoy? We're creating spam ourselves with this useless argument
 
@animuson animuson.net/api doesn't exist...
 
It hasn't for a long time.
 
in my new language, you'll be able to dynamically change the parsing within the code:
$parse_mode = {
  arg_start: '{',
  arg_end: '}',
  arg_sep: ','
}
:D
 
There, happy?
 
@animuson What am I supposed to be happy about?
 
lazily removed all the menu links
 
Wow. :P
> why not check out our list of sites,
Still has the /sites page.
 
Eh
 
2:37 AM
> The materials appearing on Animuson Network's web site could include technical, typographical, or photographic errors. Animuson Network does not warrant that any of the materials on its web site are accurate, complete, or current. Animuson Network may make changes to the materials contained on its web site at any time without notice. Animuson Network does not, however, make any commitment to update the materials.
Great disclaimer.
 
It's because none of the template files for those pages exist.
 
@animuson Then... why don't you creaet them?
 
I don't feel like it.
 
Lazy mod alert...
How many flags did you handle today?
 
@hichris123 Are you seriously calling the Flag Handling God "lazy"? :P
 
2:39 AM
@DoorknobofSnow Yep.
goes to flag some comments
 
@DoorknobofSnow The Lizard is still ahead of me for monthly stats.
 
@animuson Haha The Lizard :P You probably don't get it
 
This couldn't be spam at all - stackoverflow.com/a/21493184/2581872
:P
 
@animuson Not for long, probably :P
 
Ooh, mod to the rescue. :P
 
2:41 AM
@DoorknobofSnow Your userscript worked well
 
@ManofSnow Doesn't detect answers.
 
@ManofSnow It's off now since I'm waiting for @Manish to turn on the server-side version
speaking of which, where is manish?
 
He's off being a lazy mod. :P
 
ah, ok
okay, at first I liked configurable parsing, but it's kind of getting ugly:
code.sub!(/\S+#{reg_mode :arg_start}(?:#{reg_mode :escape_char}.|[^#{reg_mode :arg_end}])*#{reg_mode :arg_end}|\S+/) {|m| tkn = m; '' }
 
2:43 AM
@animuson Says the person who's lazier. :P
@DoorknobofSnow Does that feed in to your spam-erizor?
 
Lies! His flag stats are nowhere near mine!
 
@hichris123 nah, I'm working on a (kind of) new programming language
it's for golfing; it compiles into very short code
 
@DoorknobofSnow It's on in Charcoal HQ.
 
@animuson Does he mod SO? No. :P
 
2:45 AM
Doesn't matter.
 
Unless the websocket died @Doorknob... then it'd be off.
I wonder what animuson does in TL...
 
good morning =o)
 
@hichris123 hmmm, for some reason I didn't get a ping for that
 
I actually haven't visited TL too much lately.
 
does this ping you? @hichris... then llamas.
 
2:46 AM
@DoorknobofSnow The ... is the reason.
 
Nope, no ping.
@animuson I'm not sure if that's a good thing or a bad thing...
 
I wonder when Software Recommendations will go into beta
 
I'm trying to use the data explorer to get a list of all SE sites. I have SELECT * FROM sys.Databases WHERE database_id > 5 which gets me all the SE site databases, which I hoped to use to create the the domain name, but the database names are not consistant so it makes it hard to do that. I can't seem to find any fields in a site db which provides the domain for the site. Does anyone know how I would do this?
 
@crypticツ I thought there was something in the SE API for this (@Undo didn't you do this?).
 
2:51 AM
@hichris123 when using SE API you specify the site in the query. I want to get a list of all sites that can be specified.
 
3:36 AM
@cryptic the /sites method would do it.
 
@Undo so I don't specify a domain in the query for the 'site' field?
nvm, got it! Thank you so much! =o)
 
Hi again @Undo.
 
3:55 AM
Hi. Me sleepy soon.
 
Sleep is overrated. :P
I mean, what, I love sleep. And spam.
 
4:11 AM
 
\afk getting food
\bak
New spam wave
 
oh. Shall we keep it there?
 
I don't know.
 
4:18 AM
We've gotta fight... for our right... to flaaaaaaaaag spam!
 
Is Shog burning those?
Wow, good autocorrect.
 
@animuson do you mean, "hoarding accepted flags on every site the spammer might go"?
so... yes. Post here, where the community mods are.
(except maybe when spam appears on one of the larger sites. Then the community doesn't need our help)
 
 
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6:56 AM
Wow. A meta-question disputing a moderator's question locking was locked by that moderator.
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Q: Mod vs. Users close war

user2357112A moderator closed a recent question as off-topic. A few users disputed the close, believing it to be based on a misunderstanding of the question. (The moderator's comment before closing said to look up big-endian vs. little-endian, which has nothing to do with the question.) The mod reopened and...

Where should we dispute the content of the meta-question?
 
7:28 AM
@JanDvorak: it says take it to meta. Where's Meta Meta Stack Overflow?
 
@Qantas94Heavy on meta:
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Q: What can be done when an abusive mod closes the META thread about his abuse?

Chris StrattonRobert Harvey has now closed the thread here on Meta: Mod vs. Users close war concerning the abuse of his moderation powers on a Stack Overflow question. What can be done when even Meta is not preserved as a forum for addressing abusive behavior?

 
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A: What about meta-meta Stack Overflow?

Mark CidadeOne meta level in any system is all you ever need for unbounded recursion. e.g., higher-order logic can be used to reason about higher-order-logic constructs as well as first-order logic. meta.stackoverflow implies meta(.meta)*.stackoverflow

 
He definitely went to far. The unilateral close/delete vote or lock should be used sparingly, and he used all 3.
Mods should have this option, so they can cast a normal vote to close:
176
Q: Add a way for moderators to cast a normal, non binding vote

Andreas BoniniI think moderators should have the ability to cast a normal, non binding vote like if they were a normal user (while of course retaining their ability to cast a binding vote where necessary). This can be used in "grey areas" where a moderator can choose to give his or her opinion but not make a ...

 
@DoorknobofSnow MSO chatbot bas been turned on
(well, it's not a separate chatbot, just an extra line in the script)
 
 
2 hours later…
9:15 AM
why this answer delete by mod stackoverflow.com/a/21495220/1723893 ?
i agree other two (before once) are perfectly not an answer but this seems a fine answer ...
even that got upvote
 
I think that one is extensively discussed on Meta @NullPoiиteя?
 
i have seen the thread but i think there will be no harm if answer stays undeleted
 
Could always flag for that @NullPoiиteя
 
9:32 AM
thanks
 
morning
 
morning
 
morning
 
Evening.
 
... that went fast
 
9:50 AM
Merry Christmas
 
@3ventic you too
dont you think you are little late :P
 
No, I'm early
 
ohhhh ...you are tooooooooo mmmmmuch early :D happy new year :D
 
Too much early is the best kind of early.
 
That's not what she said
 
9:55 AM
then what she said exactly ?
sorry i am not native English speaker
 
rofl on my stupidity
 
10:11 AM
Instead of mocking a new review UI the OP could have done some reviews...
 
Yay, he's back
"be free from enemy / 2nd wife" :D
 
@Bart lol
 
10:23 AM
Too bad if you need to freed from your 3rd wife.
 
imho so team should call and file a complain against him
 
He probably has a black magic solution against spammers as well
 
There is no public info on ignored tags by an user?
 
10:39 AM
Don't think so? What would you do with that info?
 
I try to answer meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/218264/… but was wondering if the user already had phpadmin and c# in his ignored list. It is not on the profile page nor in SEDE
 
... you could ask him. ;)
 
I'm doing right now
 
11:21 AM
THE REAL ME ARRIVES
 
Hello Manishearth
 
All hail Manishearth
 
Will the real slim Manish please stand up .. please stand up .. please stand up ..
 
@TimPost could something be said for better educating users (particularly of smaller sites) how to handle spam? (i.e. just flag). With this baba nonsense over the last weeks I see often that votes go down far more than just he amount of spam flags needed.
 
Something like this?
remember, people: instead of downvoting, just flag and the system will downvote for you. — Jan Dvorak 15 secs ago
 
Well yes, but without the comments.
 
A meta question should do it, if it's really a problem
 
11:52 AM
people don't read the meta
 
They will if it pops up on the community bulletin
 
especially not those who frequent the smaller sites
 
Site-meta I mean
 
@3ventic then you need to post it on every meta
 
Just those that have the problem
 
11:52 AM
Yes, you would have. Which I wouldn't object to @JanDvorak.
 
Most spam I see gets removed within minutes anyway
 
baba migrates
 
You could even seed a site that gets out of beta
"Now you're not longer a private beta, this is how you deal with X"
 
Most site-metas get a post about how to deal with spam sooner or later anyway
 
s/beta/private beta/
most spam appears on beta sites
 
11:54 AM
Most sites are beta sites.
 
What do you mean @JanDvorak? My comment says just that .... :p
 
I don't remember ever seeing Baba on SF
 
+ they're easier targets because there aren't as many "moderators"
SF has its own domain
probably has affects it
 
I've seen him once on SO
gone within seconds
 
Yup
 
11:56 AM
Haha, I was going to say "for how many seconds"
 
it's not productive to target sites that remove spam within seconds
 
12:31 PM
cool, my first serial downvoter!
how many downvotes trigger the nightly reset?
 
That isn't public information really. I've had as low as 3 downvotes reset, and sometimes that hasn't happened.
Depends on the exact timing as well apparently.
 
just two downvotes here, I guess they won't get picked up
 
Probably not then, no.
 
@Manishearth What you built is a crap detector, that also detects smoking crap.
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You want real spam @TimPost? There's your real spam
 
1:11 PM
Ugh, what's up with this fool?
 
I've gotta make a pull request: s/Possible spam/Smoking crap/
 
@Manishearth He's coming from all kinds of mobile networks in India, ugh.
 
He's terribly persistent. And without any spam links, I wonder how much use it is to him.
 
Maybe dialing the phonenumber is enough to generate revenue?
 
Probably, but then who are actually dialling this nonsense
 
1:21 PM
I hope all those lousy telemarketeers
 
haha
 
2:20 PM
@TimPost yay?
(the real me has arrived again)
@Bart phone numbers
In the last iteration, he had a whole bevy of phone numbers. Icky.
 
what happens when Feeds gets suspended from chat?
I think I've just cast the last flag.
 
@JanDvorak you can't
wait, maybe you can
with spam flags
rubs palms
 
@Manishearth a flag was raised against a "frozen" message
 
hmm... it's still pending with six flags on
 
2:27 PM
@TimPost Be careful that that chat-spamram doesn't block me for posting spam :p
 
cool :-) The room is unfrozen now. Thanks @TimPost :-)
 
I wonder what would happen if I spamflagged Feeds on chat.SE. Hmmmmm
 
Good morning afternoon
 
Good time of day to you
 
@Manishearth It only looks at a very narrowly-scoped type of account
If an established user is going bat s**t crazy and hurling it at the walls, it's a matter of moderation, not spam filters :)
 
 
1 hour later…
4:02 PM
This question looks like spam: meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/218309/…
What do you think?
 
Yeah, flag it
 
And the account?
 
?
 
... was born out of the lies and deceit of our elected officials...
more of a rant...
 
Meh, don't think we need to worry about his profile content. That's fair enough. If you happen to be in the tinfoil selling business, you might want to ask for an address. You might have a buyer there. Other than that there's nothing really problematic about it.
 
4:12 PM
OK
 
Profiles don't really have a lot of rules. Unless you go really extremely overboard. Dear Mr. Hilter of a couple of days ago for example. But that's about it.
 
4:26 PM
Profiles are not indexed by google either?
 
I think they are
 
Yes, they are indexed.
 
@rene indexed, with nofollow unless you have some bajillion EXP
^ the above is me running evancarrol.py
(kidding, though that would be fun)
Let's make animuson.py!
 
@Manishearth Ooh, fun! :P
 
Your evancarrol.py is far too regular @Manishearth
There's not even a hint of conspiracy and banning in there
Your animuson.py should be fairly simple though. Just alternate between "I've handled 2k flags!" and "Who the hell let it creep up to 3k flags again?".
 
4:35 PM
@Manishearth is in collusion with the mods! It's a conspiracy! He took away my EXP!
@rene is in collusion with the mods! It's a conspiracy! He took away my EXP!
@Manishearth is in collusion with the mods! It's a conspiracy! He took away my EXP!
^^ evan.py
 
That's more like it
 
@ProgramFOX is in collusion with the mods! It's a conspiracy! He took away my EXP!
now it doesn't choose me
 
What have I started?
 
Ooh, yay, I'm not in collusion with the mods! :P
 
Good for you!
 
4:39 PM
Who the hell let it creep up to 3k flags again? @Bart?
animuson.py
Who the hell let it creep up to 3k flags again? @Bart?
 
I no nozzink
 
I've handled 2k flags!
yay
#!/usr/bin/python
# animuson.py
# by Manish Goregaokar
# requires github.com/Manishearth/ChatExchange
from random import choice
import json,os,sys,getpass
from ChatExchange.SEChatWrapper import *

if("ChatExchangeU" in os.environ):
  username=os.environ["ChatExchangeU"]
else:
  print "Username: "
  username=raw_input()
if("ChatExchangeP" in os.environ):
  password=os.environ["ChatExchangeP"]
else:
  password=getpass.getpass("Password: ")


wrap=SEChatWrapper("MSO")
wrap.login(username,password)
@animuson you have been replaced by a small python script ^
Let's replace everyone in the Tavern!
Let's make a fake Tavern, with a fake animuson, a fake jadarnel, a fake Bart, and fake Tims!
I probably could Markov this. But no time.
 
Don't tell me you have more useful things to do with your time ...
 
I always dreamed of Abu Dhabi...
 
I've always dreamed of escort services
 
Something crazy just happened to me
 
You melted?
 
Programmers.SE doesn't show up any questions. Someone else also has this issue?
 
4:58 PM
I got lots of rep from the same question showing as two questions
 
On the questions tab? Yep. Usually a temporary glitch.
 
All I did was change the title
And the same question's rep it got for me duplicated
So I got twice as much... and it fixed itself
But it's still showing the question as two
 
I say caching
 
Maybe
 

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