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8:01 PM

in JavaScript on Stack Overflow Chat, 3 mins ago, by Nyuszika7H

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mootinator

$('html')

Moshe

@mootinator Let's go on Physics and start a revolution!

mootinator

@Moshe Yeah, we'll disprove the theory of relativity!

Moshe

@mootinator Er, no, i liked the old theme.

mootinator

@Moshe The theory is wrong, all the methods which have been used to verify it use flawed measurements.

@Moshe Oh sure, we'll start with the theme.

Then we'll attack PHYSICS ITSELF.

Too much?

Fine.

Back to testing boring code.

drachenstern

8:36 PM

While you're testing wanna test my UI?

mootinator

Sure, why not.

drachenstern

@KlausByskovHoffmann I appreciate the sentiment, but I know that I will use one, even if I use it to passively create (that GarageBand looked like I could finally learn to play an instrument, or at least create music, in my passive time) and passively consume. But I'll use it for things like the TV guide as well, and such, sufficiently that it will become a frequent use item for me. And if I always have it, she'll want to use hers too, but probably not as much as I do.

Klaus Byskov Hoffmann

@drachenstern you know best what is best for you :-)

drachenstern

@KlausByskovHoffmann pretty much ;)

Klaus Byskov Hoffmann

What is a good lightweight text editor for mac? Kinda like notepad++ for windows?

@GarageBand is on the MBP too though and with a cheap midi controller it is a really fun toy

drachenstern

8:49 PM

So you want me to use a laptop (2 feet away) with a keyboard (exceptionally artifical interface) and an external midi device (still artificial interface, unless you mean getting the instrument, which is the whole avoidance here) OR I can do it my way and have the interface reasonably represent the instrument I intend to play at an 18 inch distance.

You're not really convincing me to stay away from the iPad with that argument

@KlausByskovHoffmann idk, I don't program on macs

Moshe

livevalidation.com

mootinator

@Moshe Judging from the domain name, that's where you order an iPad?

The Renamed Exception

LOL

mootinator

Oops, I read that as lifevalidation.com

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Moshe

@mootinator No, a nice little validation script.

@mootinator heh

Nyuszika7H

8:51 PM

Popular Demand

@KlausByskovHoffmann alternativeto.net/software/notepad-plus-plus

Nyuszika7H

HTC – Ham, Tomato and Cheese

Klaus Byskov Hoffmann

@drachenstern I have a midi keyboard, which is not really an instrument strictly speaking. But I get your point.

But why don't you program on your mac?

@PopularDemand Thanks man...

drachenstern

@KlausByskovHoffmann I'm more than happy for you to demonstrate playing the drums on that keyboard and it resemble a drum ;)

@KlausByskovHoffmann I don't have a mac ...

Popular Demand

@KlausByskovHoffmann No problem. It comes up with Vim, gedit, Coda, TextMate, Geany....

Klaus Byskov Hoffmann

8:52 PM

I already have vim... it's just a little too... erhm...

@drachenstern My keyboard has drum pads ;-)

drachenstern

@KlausByskovHoffmann that would be vim in a nutshell ;)

Nyuszika7H

VIM – Very Infecting Malware

drachenstern

If you don't like VIM, try NANO :D

Klaus Byskov Hoffmann

I actually spent half a year trying to master vim, and got so-so at it. The thing with it is that after a few years of not using it, you forget almost everything (apart from the simplest commands)

Popular Demand

Yeah, vim needs a lot of dedication. More dedication than I have.

mootinator

8:55 PM

NANO - Not Anyone's Notepad OfChoice

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drachenstern

This is why I use Visual Studio with add-ons. It does the work for me. Not as fast as a neural connection, but it's getting there.

another 15 iterations applying Moore's law and it might be decent ;)

Nyuszika7H

NANO – Not Another Notepad clOne

mootinator

Oh, it's really a recursive one --> Nano ANOther editor.

Nyuszika7H

PHP – PHP: Hypertext Preprocessor

If you just say Hypertext Preprocessor, it would be better written as HPP…

mootinator

Yeah you know me.

The Renamed Exception

8:59 PM

@Nyuszika7H It's the Php Hypertext Preprocessor

It's a recursive algorythm like GNU

Nyuszika7H

GNU Not Unix

The Renamed Exception

Exactly

Nyuszika7H

YAML Ain't Markup Language (originally: Yet Another Markup Language)

The Renamed Exception

I didn't know they changed

I like the GNU HURD

Nyuszika7H

PHP originally was Personal Home Page…

Popular Demand

9:01 PM

@TheRenamedException Actually, @Nyuszika7H is right on this one. "PHP stands for PHP: Hypertext Preprocessor."

The Renamed Exception

@PopularDemand what? Maybe I misunderstood

@PopularDemand from that page:

> PHP stands for PHP: Hypertext Preprocessor. This confuses many people because the first word of the acronym is the acronym. This type of acronym is called a recursive acronym.

Nyuszika7H

And when it was Personal Home Page, <?php->set('http://myevilsite.com/homepage-spoof/' . $php); ?> could be used to spoof someone's homepage.

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@TheRenamedException I'm confused about why you wrote "It's the Php Hypertext Preprocessor," then.

The Renamed Exception

@mootinator Hey I like nano

Nyuszika7H

15

A: Can we please change the design to black-on-white?

We'll put together a user script at http://stackapps.com?tab=scripts for folks who really want the white layout -- in fact, we can probably put together a de-styler that converts any Stack Exchange design to a fairly minimalistic one for those that prefer it. Based on extensive meta feedback, si...

The Renamed Exception

9:03 PM

@PopularDemand Because I just realized I am an idiot, I came in at the end of the conversation and was restating the same thing

Sorry @Nyuszika7H!

Nyuszika7H

@TheRenamedException np

mootinator

@TheRenamedException Obviously you're the exception that proves the rule. instantrimshot.com

Popular Demand

@mootinator I like nano as well.

mootinator

@PopularDemand Your nickname has nothing to do with exceptions. I don't know what to say.

Except ...wait for it...

Popular Demand

@mootinator LALALALALALALALALALA NOT LISTENINGGGGGGGGGGGGGG

Nyuszika7H

9:08 PM

@mootinator What's that? I don't trust you.

mootinator

It's the safer version of instantrimshot.com/index.php?sound=rimshot&play=true

Nyuszika7H

I pressed the button and nothing happened.

Popular Demand

@Nyuszika7H Do you have speakers?

It just plays a rimshot.

Nyuszika7H

@PopularDemand I have built-in speakers, and no, they aren't muted.

Popular Demand

@Nyuszika7H Hm. JavaScript enabled?

Nyuszika7H

9:10 PM

@PopularDemand Yep.

Anyway, what's a rimshot? Google can't seem to be able to translate it to Hungarian.

Popular Demand

@Nyuszika7H Two quick taps of a drum followed by a cymbal hit.

drachenstern

Rimshot

:This article references the term in the world of music. For the term's use in radio and television broadcasting, see Rimshot (broadcasting). A rimshot is the sound produced by hitting the rim and the head of a drum simultaneously, with a drum stick. Rimshots are usually played to produce a more accented note, and are typically played loudly. However, soft rim shots are possible. There are three standard types of rim shots in marching percussion. The first, most common type of rimshot is the normal rimshot. This is played with the bead (tip) of the stick about three inches from the rim....

Nyuszika7H

@PopularDemand oh right

drachenstern

> The term is often used to refer to the sting played by the drummer in cabaret shows to accentuate the punchline of a joke. As a result, a particularly obvious laugh line is called a rimshot.

^^^^^^^^^^^ for those following along later ;)

mootinator

See also:

er

in Bad Joke Room, Feb 21 at 3:09, by mootinator

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Forgot my chat-fu there for a second.

drachenstern

9:15 PM

lol

0

Q: What's the most effective way to duplicate an instance on SQL 2008?

We've got a simple database with just enough data in it to keep it useful, and we can use it for demonstration purposes, and I want to put a copy of it on my laptop so I can use it for dev work when I'm not at the office. (The regular dev databases are about 150GB, this one is 3GB) What's the mo...

how can I improve the quality of my question?

mootinator

Ask about Oracle instead. Hah! instantrimsh.... nah.

drachenstern

@mootinator but it should be a good Q yeah?

mootinator

9:32 PM

@drachenstern Yeah.

drachenstern

1

Q: Asking about CPUs?

I have a question about speculative execution and pipelining in CPUs, and I'm wondering: should I ask it on SO? Or is it a software-only site?

discussion

Popular Demand

@drachenstern Lot of stress lately?

Nyuszika7H

night :)

drachenstern

@PopularDemand not so much, but now that you mention it... Didn't I tell you in an email all about that? Yeah, I think I did. So anyways, I mean, really, let's ask about asking if we can ask a question that may allow us to ask a question

Popular Demand

@drachenstern Just saying, those are Welbog levels of caps.

drachenstern

9:44 PM

@PopularDemand some days they seem to be warranted

have you seen this page? meta.stackoverflow.com/users/154726/mehrdad?tab=accounts <-- dude is 7k on SO alone

I'm sorry, but with those levels of participation, you know to ask a question with substance.

Popular Demand

@drachenstern "Lambert"? Odd.

drachenstern

@PopularDemand lambert?

oh, haha

Popular Demand

@drachenstern Programmers SE username.

mmyers

> With that in mind, let's look ahead to what's on the menu for this year: four adaptations of comic books. One prequel to an adaptation of a comic book. One sequel to a sequel to a movie based on a toy. One sequel to a sequel to a sequel to a movie based on an amusement-park ride.

drachenstern

I wasn't even looking at that

mmyers

9:46 PM

> One prequel to a remake. Two sequels to cartoons. One sequel to a comedy. An adaptation of a children's book. An adaptation of a Saturday-morning cartoon. One sequel with a 4 in the title. Two sequels with a 5 in the title. One sequel that, if it were inclined to use numbers, would have to have a 7 1/2 in the title.

drachenstern

@mmyers where are you quoting from?

@mmyers I'm actually looking forward to 7 1/2 more than I was to 7

mmyers

gq.com/entertainment/movies-and-tv/201102/…, via news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2280470

Klaus Byskov Hoffmann

What would make a greasemonkey script not run? I have the right include, it shows up as enabled and running, but does nothing. When I run the js directly in the firebug console it does the right thing :-(

Basically, this is the script:

// ==UserScript==
// @name ReviewLink
// @author Klaus Byskov Hoffmann
// @namespace http://not-a-real-namespace.com
// @description Shows a link to the review page in the top link bar
// @include http://stackoverflow.com/*
// ==/UserScript==

$('#hlinks-custom').append($('#hlinks-custom span[class="lsep"]').first())
.append('<a href="/review">review</a>');

drachenstern

@KlausByskovHoffmann how did you save it?

Klaus Byskov Hoffmann

hehe, yes, several times

oh, sorry

Tim Stone

9:52 PM

@KlausByskovHoffmann The userscript doesn't have access to jQuery from within the userscript sandbox.

Klaus Byskov Hoffmann

I just saved it from within the editor that pops up

drachenstern

as .user.js?

Klaus Byskov Hoffmann

oh, interesting

drachenstern

@TimStone showoff

Klaus Byskov Hoffmann

yup, it's called reviewlink.user.js

drachenstern

9:53 PM

k, just making sure

Klaus Byskov Hoffmann

So I need to embed a function on the page through pure js, then from within that function I can use jQuery?

mootinator

@drachenstern I still like my answer.

drachenstern

@mootinator which was?

mootinator

0

A: Asking about CPUs?

If you can't decide where it goes, phrase your question as a programming puzzle (write a simulator which does X thing you have doubts about, and post it on http://codegolf.stackexchange.com/ Ducks.

drachenstern

@KlausByskovHoffmann something like that. Do you use the SEChatMod script?

@mootinator lmao

Klaus Byskov Hoffmann

9:56 PM

No, but I have another script that does it... the "copy question link" script is doing something like that

Tim Stone

@KlausByskovHoffmann Yep. @Fosco was also right, not sure why he deleted his message. You can insert the content on the page using normal DOM methods.

Fosco

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Q: How can I use jQuery in Greasemonkey?

I tried putting this line but it doesn't work: // @require http://ajax.googleapis.com/ajax/libs/jquery/1.2.6/jquery.js jQuery doesn't work in Greasemonkey at all. Is there other way to use jQuery in Greasemonkey? -- For all the people who have the same problem, you must upload the file...

jquery greasemonkey

Klaus Byskov Hoffmann

Thanks guys

Works now :-)

Tim Stone

Awesome :)

Klaus Byskov Hoffmann

Is it too lame to submit?

drachenstern

9:58 PM

@KlausByskovHoffmann is what too lame to submit?

Klaus Byskov Hoffmann

My script that adds a review link to the SO top link bar

drachenstern

You want to put it on stackapps? I would

Klaus Byskov Hoffmann

I will then...

Popular Demand

@drachenstern "Adam"? But that's a boy's name!

Klaus Byskov Hoffmann

Should I include a bunch of the SE sites? It would make sense on all of them, even the metas, right? I mean for people with review privileges at least

drachenstern

10:01 PM

@PopularDemand I know, the horror! I could also use the excuse that southerners do that all men are Adam when you don't know their name, as Adam was "the first man's name" :p

@KlausByskovHoffmann yeah sure why not

Tim Stone

@KlausByskovHoffmann For reference

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Q: What's the correct way to @include all SE sites?

What's the @include sequence that most accurately lists all the SE sites for greasemonkey/userscript hacking purposes?

support stackexchange-2.0 greasemonkey

Klaus Byskov Hoffmann

@TimStone thanks. Why http://*/reputation ?

Tim Stone

/reputation is pretty blank, so it's usually not useful to have a userscript try and run there.

Klaus Byskov Hoffmann

@TimStone ah, it was an exclude... silly old blind me

Tim Stone

Ah, yeah :)

Klaus Byskov Hoffmann

10:14 PM

So adding a script on stackapps is "ask a question" and tag it "script" ?

drachenstern

Yes

but follow the template ;)

Klaus Byskov Hoffmann

@drachenstern I will, I will ;-)

Tim Stone

@KlausByskovHoffmann stackapps.com/questions/ask?tags=script

(It gives you a fill-in template :P)

Klaus Byskov Hoffmann

Oooooh, nice, thanks @TimStone was going to try to edit/copy/paste/mend

Tim Stone

No problem

The Renamed Exception

10:25 PM

I really should post XMPP and the /status script, but, I need to fix bugs in both first

This weekend hopefully

Tyler Chacha

Hello

Klaus Byskov Hoffmann

stack* slow for me or for everyone?

Popular Demand

@KlausByskovHoffmann Was slow for me earlier, but they resolved it.

Klaus Byskov Hoffmann

actually, it seems like it's worst on stackoverflow.com

but if it's only me I'm not gonna bore you with it ;-)

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5 hours ago, by balpha

@PopularDemand @ircmaxell try again in a minute; a fix is being deployed

Have you refreshed since then?

Klaus Byskov Hoffmann

10:33 PM

yeah, I've been uninstalling monkey scripts so I have restarted firefox several times.

ircmaxell

huh?

Oh, it turns out it was just cooincidence. My internet connection was fubar (some packet tracing at the firewall showed that)

Klaus Byskov Hoffmann

10:53 PM

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Q: Shows a link to the review page in the top link bar

Screenshot / Code Snippet About A super simple script that adds a review link to the top link bar. Download install script or view source Platform Has been tested with greasemonkey/Firefox on Mac OS X SnowLeopard but I don't see why it shouldn't work with other combinations of browse...

script links

Tim Stone

FYI:

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Q: Change Unanswered tab to Review

About This is (allegedly) going to be implemented by the team sometime anyway. But just in case, and so you can play with it, here is a script which replaces the 'Unanswered' tab with 'Review'. NEW - attempts to notify user if the script becomes irrelevant (i.e. when this gets implemented by ...