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6:00 PM
is watching the Engadget live blog from apple land at: engadget.com/2011/03/02/live-from-apples-ipad-2-event/…
 
does anybody livestream the video from the event?
 
is watching cnet live blog.
@drachenstern Apple did at some of the events last year, IIRC.
 
yeah but not right now
 
> 10:03AM Standing ovation for Steve Jobs. People are flipping out. He looks good!
 
steve jobs showed up
 
6:04 PM
The next iPad will be a personal clone of Steve Jobs!
I'm calling it.
 
He started with iBooks. I call retina or some better display.
 
sounds like the revised hitchhiker
 
he really is a skinny shell of a man.
 
Yeah, I wonder what's going to happen when he passes
 
6:05 PM
@Fosco Er, yeah, that is true.
@drachenstern Steve Jobs 2.0 with the feature they stripped from version 1, a healthy pancreas.
 
HA! Fud: 10:05AM "Now Amazon doesn't publish their numbers, but it's likely this is the most accounts with credit cards anywhere on the internet."
 
Heh.
". . .blockbuster product. That's how we think about these things."
 
10:08AM "We sold 15m iPads... that's more than every tablet PC ever sold."
 
10:10AM Today we introduce the iPad 3D!!!!
 
I'm not a native speaker, but I have to say: that's the first time I encountered the word "flummoxed".
 
6:10 PM
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Q: How do I move the turtle in LOGO?

user25664 Possible Duplicate: How do I move the turtle in LOGO? How do I move the turtle in LOGO?

 
(not)
 
@mootinator you can even feel the depth!
 
LOL
 
@oKtosiTe it doesn't come up that often
 
@drachenstern Oddly, its meaning fits so well that I might figure it out even without context.
 
6:12 PM
@oKtosiTe hehe
 
Wow, complete and utter fud
 
@ircmaxell yeah, to imply that honeycomb only has 100 apps is lame.
 
@Fosco Which is a lie of course, there are tons of tablets used in the medical field alone
 
@Fosco I believe they mean "apps that are specifically intended for honeycomb tablets on application ship"
 
How can you expect to find the quality app you're looking for if you don't have at least over 9000 to choose from?
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6:14 PM
@Fosco Especially when last year he touted the whole app store was availabe to the iPad. So it all of a sudden doesn't apply anymore when someone else says it?
Not to mention that Honeycomb is a whopping 5 days old
 
@ircmaxell Precisely.
@mootinator +1 to you sir
 
@drachenstern Which of course is a mix of words.
 
@ircmaxell yes, it is.
That's called marketing ;)
 
@mootinator Click upvote!
 
Right, but this is even more fud driven than usual
 
I also suspect he's been drugged up with adrenaline and is going to collapse immediately after.
 
Especially when he made the exact counter argument last year...
 
6:16 PM
@Fosco That's assuming he makes it through...
 
Phil Schiller could stand in for Jon Stewart
 
10:16AM iPads are being used to work with Autistic children. This is pretty cool. "We're not curing Autism, but it's helping."
 
heh
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Q: How do I move the turtle in LOGO?

user25664How do I move the turtle in LOGO?

 
^^ Probably not the ones on the factory floor.
 
6:18 PM
Wow they're defensive:
 
how is that not a white apple tablet? Reckon it's a skin? With the logo on it?
 
@oKtosiTe That's... really self-aggrandizing.
 
"Will 2011 be the year of the copycat?" This coming from the last company to market with a mobile phone in the first place...
 
Sweet!
 
6:19 PM
@MichaelMrozek Simple, They know they can't stand on their own and win hands down, so they leverage their fanboi factor...
 
@PopularDemand Of me? Or them?
 
Retina? cmon...
 
@oKtosiTe of them
 
twice as fast, 9x the graphics speed
holy crap
 
@oKtosiTe Of them.
 
6:20 PM
@PopularDemand Just checking. :-)
 
Run that fart app at a blistering speed never before un-possible!
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@Fosco haha
 
a third thinner
where's the battery?
 
wants one
 
@Fosco LOL
 
6:21 PM
@drachenstern Oh, good point.
heck, wants five of em
 
33% thinner??
 
First Dual Core Tablet to ship in volume -- blatent falsity. There are millions of dual core tablets out there
 
@drachenstern Finally, a tablet powered by unicorns and wishes!
 
I want a Beowulf cluster of them!
 
@ircmaxell Not shipped in volume. Those ship 50 or so and then sit on shelves. Volume is "Apple" volume- thousands at a shot.
 
6:22 PM
50 or so per store across the country
 
But... does it run linux?
 
every bestbuy by me was sold out of the Xoom day 1
 
@ircmaxell which is NOT 15million
 
thinner than iphone 4 wow htf did they do that
 
and Yay! My Nexus S is still thinner
 
6:22 PM
White iPads too!
 
I want the white one!
@Fosco they took out the battery :)
 
@drachenstern Right, but most would not consider shipping even 1 million on day 1 not shipping in volumne
 
Retina?
Where's my retina?
 
they arent going to do retina...
 
They did unicorns and wishes, what more do you want...
 
6:24 PM
they actually get better than the old battery
@mootinator moar!
 
@drachenstern I want the Tangerine one.
 
I want to see the price on the iPad 1
 
Same prices
 
Yay! Xoom is still ahead on battery life
 
@ircmaxell and that's about it :P
 
6:24 PM
Yay! I still don't need one.
 
@Moshe I'd argue that nothing he said with the exception of thickness and weight exceed the xoom...
And now price
 
how much is xoom?
 
800
 
$799 off contract, $599 on.
but I got mine for $599 off contract
 
ouch
 
6:26 PM
engadget just dropped
 
"When are we going to ship it? Today. If you're sitting in here listening to me, it's already selling out from under your noses. Go! Go!"
 
32gb + 4g for $599
engadget is back up
 
Cnet
HDMI out!
More countries
March 11
 
So why do they charge $130 just for 3G?
 
because they can
 
6:27 PM
@oKtosiTe antennas and radios usually.
Also, because it creates a distinction in tiering ;)
 
@drachenstern Parts are $30 based upon teardown
 
Sweet! full HDMI out for ALL APPS!
 
@drachenstern I find the second statement much more credible for some reason.
 
@ircmaxell You mean Apple figured out how to make man-hours cost $0!! WOW!!
 
@drachenstern I'd argue that there's no additional manhours needed to downgrade a 3g version to a wifi version
@Moshe And?
 
6:28 PM
@ircmaxell I would argue that there is, but that's me.
 
@ircmaxell I can use that in my apps, makes things SOOO much simpler!
 
Well, not $100 worth of it at least
 
Friend just tripped on my laptop cord. It's a MagSafe. :-)
 
"It automatically wakes the iPad when you open it, and puts it to sleep when it closes it. Now how is this held on? Do we have screws? No -- we use magnets."
 
@Moshe Ummm, android has had that for a while. (so unless I'm missing something)
 
6:29 PM
Blackberry copycat!</indignation>
 
@ircmaxell Yea, all 100 tablet apps.
 
i like the cover they just showed.
 
And Droid copycat!
 
@mootinator Er, overkill.
 
@Fosco Agreed.
 
6:30 PM
@Fosco I like it, but not the color so much
 
@Moshe No, all apps that are based on the 2.0 API which is 1.5 years old
 
@Moshe Also agreed.
 
@Moshe Maybe...
Micro-fiber lining cleans screen.
 
ipad 1 for sale... $300
 
Okay, nice. I have to get this now.
 
6:31 PM
32g + 3g
 
Anyone wanna buy an iPad one?
 
How about, micro-fiber lining attracts sand particles, magnetic alignment drags sand across screen.
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how does the hinge attach?
 
@mootinator zing
 
@mootinator Agreed
 
6:32 PM
I want the navy leather
 
@mootinator Don't keep it close to your wallet?
 
@oKtosiTe nah, I have a magnetic wallet already
 
Holy cow! Me wants orange one!
 
it's a money clip with a couple of credit card slots
no problems whatsoever
 
Back to work...
 
6:33 PM
@drachenstern Not bad, blocks RFID too?
 
I've heard what I need for now. I have stuff to do.
 
@oKtosiTe I have no clue. I don't have RFID CCs
 
is all smiles over an announcement some fellow with a is making on the other end of the country
 
@drachenstern OK
 
No mention of NFC support
 
6:35 PM
NFC on iOS4.3 or iOS on iPad2?
 
either
 
iOS 4.3 is coming with the iPad 2
Airplay improvements and new JS engine in Safari
 
@Moshe yes, we can read too
 
@ircmaxell NFC?
 
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6:36 PM
@Fosco Near Field Comms
 
mmm hot spot
 
swipe nearby to pay for purchases on a phone
 
Photobooth
 
bring pads/phones close together to swap contact details
 
@drachenstern Ah, like Square?
 
6:37 PM
im going to guess they aren't going there.
 
It's a need in the hardware but after you know the hardware supports it then it's an issue for the API as well. I'm going to go with this:
iPhone5 or 4GS or whatever will have NFC hardware for the first time, and the 4.5 iOS release will support it via API at that time
@Moshe they just showed why Retina doesn't apply to the iPad ... they use the same res for both of those screens ;)
 
Not saying it must have NFC, but was just curious
 
@ircmaxell yeah, I'm ready for it
I want my bank to have near immediate buy-in as well.
 
could retina be a 'One More Thing...' item?... seems too good to save
 
too good to save
 
6:41 PM
lol
 
would've been announced during the specs call
 
So this photo booth, what's the difference from Camera Fun?
 
Ahem.
Now showing new Facetime on iPad 2. Very nice quality. "The size of the iPad is ideal for videoconferencing. It feels very personal."
 
@ircmaxell $39?
 
Or is it more fud to try to prove it's better even though it's really just the same?
 
6:42 PM
My laptop is an ideal size for videoconferencing too.
And screen propped up by itself is a standard feature.
 
@mootinator but the phone isn't
 
And an ideal format, since you can change the screen angle for optimum viewing
 
@drachenstern Okay fair enough
 
so what's up with the offset GSM/CDMA iOS releases?
 
iMovie for iPad.... nice.
 
6:43 PM
I wrote in to Apple after the first iPad release last year, suggesting video editing for iPad.
 
@Fosco but expected with it having a video inbuilt.
 
Sorry if I sound like some sort of bitter iOS hater; excessive hype just annoys me.
 
@drachenstern That is incredible.
 
@Moshe Honeycomb launched with it...
 
I'm curious about a stand to hold this up while recording and manipulate video feed in realtime
 
6:44 PM
@mootinator My non-iPhone phone gets the job done just fine. Since 2009.
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could you imagine manipulating live video on the fly on a 10" screen and outputting it over HDMI as you're recording it? Possible with this device.
 
So pumped for iMovie.
 
@drachenstern Then I am nearsighted. :-)
 
I need to get to work so I can afford it...
@drachenstern I can film weddings with iPads!!
 
@Moshe that's my point, yes
and see it in better resolution to figure out how it will look after
 
6:45 PM
@oKtosiTe, on the other hand, the iPhone is the best phone I've ever owned
 
@mootinator DONT STAR
 
Just needs a good tripod for holding it pu
 
@drachenstern Did the screen size change? I thought it was 9 inch...?
 
will be interesting to see
 
6:46 PM
@Moshe I can't. I said it :P
 
@ircmaxell too lazy to know for sure, but it didn't
 
@drachenstern Even the multiple thousand dollar cameras don't have decent screen size.
@ircmaxell 9.7
 
I'm not finding enough uses for my iPad though. I always seem to have a computer at hand that does everything better
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@Moshe that's my point
 
Ahhh, ok...
 
6:46 PM
@KlausByskovHoffmann are you using it for personal/intimate media consumption?
 
@drachenstern you mean like for youporn?
then yes
 
@KlausByskovHoffmann no I mean like streaming movies from YouTube or watching DVDrips
 
Multiple video tracks!!!! Holy cow! It's like, a real editing device!
 
I was thinking "how has youporn managed to come up twice in three days?", and then realized they were both the same person. I suspect an endorsement deal of some kind
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I use it to watch TED talks and youtube videos yeah... but more so I use the computer.
 
6:48 PM
@Moshe Really? for it to be usable in the least it would need to support multiple tracks... If it didn't have them it would be useless...
 
@ircmaxell That wasn't sarcasm?
 
@ircmaxell I know, I know. I'm an Adobe Premiere user. Hated Windows Movie Maker for this limitation.
 
@KlausByskovHoffmann yeah, that's what they want you to use it for. I would use the iPad more for that sort of thing if I had one (buying one around Christmas)
 
Oh ok... Sarcasm detector didn't go off. I need to get it calibrated...
 
@ircmaxell It did. I just ignored it.
 
6:50 PM
My only use for iOS would be WWF and Nippon: Game of the Year Edition
 
lol
 
It's easier to take with you in bed than a laptop, and guests like to play around with it. But the laptop is sooooo superior (especially when comparing prices) in most senses.
I hate writing on the iPad... it's almost easier to write on the iPhone
 
@KlausByskovHoffmann I guess you weren't here the other day when we discussed this. Hang on till after the event and I'll fill you in ;)
 
garage band is awesome
 
6:51 PM
You probably don't get scorched if you fall asleep with an iPad. +1 to it.
 
@mootinator true that :-)
 
ipad 2 page is up on apple.com
 
@KlausByskovHoffmann Yeah, they should add a keyboard... Oh, wait...
 
@oKtosiTe hello macbook air
 
@drachenstern That even runs Flash
 
6:53 PM
how long should this last?
 
@oKtosiTe hehe, yeah.
 
Tactile feedback?
 
I'd be surprised if more than an hour...
 
@ircmaxell so we're almost done
 
6:54 PM
my guess
 
What's the point of that? Is that for people who only own an iPad and have no real computer somewhere in the house?
 
I can't wait for the iGiantTransparentLedWall, like in Minority Report
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GPS only comes on the 3G model?
 
@drachenstern That would help explain the price gap.
 
dungeon hunter 2 for iPad is a kinda awesome game though...
 
6:59 PM
@oKtosiTe Yeah, GPS chips are expensive. (seriously, they are)
Well, with antennas at least: sparkfun.com/categories/4
 
@ircmaxell Add to that having to fit one into a case like that and still have it work well.
 
@oKtosiTe True, but that's part of the design. You wouldn't add that in, you'd remove it when not needed. It would be in the design from day 1 unless you have a retarted engineer working on it...
 
how about a high quality mic input and autotune
 
> 11:00AM "This can record up to 8 tracks. Let's put that in perspective -- back when the Beatles did Sgt. Peppers, you could only do four tracks, and the machine was the size of a washing machine."
uhh, distortion of facts there much?
are these Apps built by Apple?
 
yeah
 
7:04 PM
(Garage Band, the movie one, etc)
so they charge for them, why? To further jab at the fact that you give them money?
 
I think there is gonna be a 1 more thing at this point
 
@ircmaxell Yeah... more of a way to load engineering costs only on users that get a GPS–which would be unlikely.
 
@oKtosiTe Yeah, that's fair...
 
how does the hinge attach?
 
it looks like it's built in from those views
 
7:08 PM
it attaches magnetically, from what I can discern
 
it is a magnet
the Jony Ive video is up
watching twit
 
I've never seen a company pat its own back so hard and so convincingly...
 
as they should..
 
That's funny, I'm pretty sure they did it last year too ;)
 
as they should?
 
7:14 PM
yeah, that's marketing... should I tell you my product is 'just ok' or 'the greatest most magical thing ever' ?
 
Well, that's fair. But this crosses that line (or at least flirts with it)
 
presentation over.. no one more thing..
 
no one more thing then
@ircmaxell apple hasn't stayed on the short side of the line since 1984
 
my question is.. new pricing on ipad 1 ?
can't find it in the store even..
 
What exactly are you supposed to do to get the deputy badge?
 
7:16 PM
I know. And that's why they are so successful. But it's also a dangerous place to be because any faltering or better product can seriously set them back...
 
@Fosco that's what I want to know
 
@drachenstern found it... iPad 1 is on the Clearance page
looks like $100 off
 
I'll take it if I can afford it
Hopefully they still have a few for sale come May
Doubtful tho
 
i have a 32gig + 3g ipad 1.. bought for $729, currently selling for $629... willing to sell for around 50% off that.
 
7:20 PM
@KlausByskovHoffmann Raise a lot of flags, and have the mods agree with them.
 
I have one more thing.
 
@Fosco I won't have that before May regardless.
ok, lunch and walking my dogs is now in order
 
I have obsessive coworkers to buy used iPad1 from.
They'll probably even give me $10 1 off the old price.
 
@PopularDemand yes, but what are the critera exactly? Should it be only spam messages or just poorly written messages? The "flag for attention" link just "does something" and does not let me choose reasons like normal flagging
 
@KlausByskovHoffmann I and my wife have a plan for around the end of the year, we're gonna save about 7-8k and go buy a couple new MBPs and a couple iPads as Christmas gifts to each other. Between now and then we expect to both move up to iPhone5 (surely that will come in Juneish, yes?)
 
7:24 PM
@drachenstern You mean 4GS
We don't want Verizon pretending they have a 5G network so soon.
 
@mootinator perhaps. I covered both my bases when I said it earlier.
I for one hope they call it the iPhoneFlash ;)
 
new MBP s , yes, but iPad s?
 
Or they could do like The Artist Formerly Known As Prince and call it the iPhone♦
@KlausByskovHoffmann yes. Why does everyone seem surprised when I say that. We don't have one iPhone between the two of us. We don't only have one MBP/laptop.
 
IPhone StackExchange moderator?
 
@mootinator only if it were blue ;)
 
7:26 PM
I'm just saying... I doubt that you will use it enough to worth spending all that money on
one, sure... but two?
 
@KlausByskovHoffmann I would use it more than you might think
it's great for passive consumption
reading blogs, reading facebook, playing Angry Pigs, watching videos, etc
I don't always need to type into the device to get things out of it
 
In other news... Aw SNAP!
 
It's great for reading... not for commenting (a lot at least). Angry birds is just as good (or bad) on the iPhone really. For facebook, sure. I understand your point about it being a personal device and all... I'm just saying because I somehow regret that I bought mine (given that I also have an iPhone and an MBP)
 
@KlausByskovHoffmann The criteria are "whatever the mods agree with." It may not even be the same from mod to mod.
 
@KlausByskovHoffmann it's just a nice consumption device. I want it for consuming. I already use my iPhone most of the day to consume various things.
ok, I need food
 
7:32 PM
@drachenstern So I guess that my advice (if you are asking for that) is buy one for your wife and if she/you is happy with it go buy the other one a month later. So worst case you live a month with only one iPad, and best case you save the price of one iPad.
@PopularDemand ok, thanks
 
@PopularDemand - Can I get in on the Tavern Hallway?
No iPad chatter, promise.
@RebeccaChernoff - You around?
 
is happy with my xoom order. Once it arrives that is
 
is unhappy being locked out of the Tavern Hallway
 
@Moshe it's really kinda lame, you're not missing much
 
@RebeccaChernoff I need to know about some of those issues you opened on github, i'm ready to close several more but I want verification that I've fixed them first. Mind taking a look? Also, one more question:
@RebeccaChernoff It appears to me that SE used my CSS for the mobile site, does that mean I'm done? Is that just a "fork" that should be ignored?
 
7:46 PM
It's on my list, I'm working on getting there. (:
 
@RebeccaChernoff Thank you.
@TheRenamedException - How does your status script work?
 
@Moshe incompletely at best ;-)
 
Oh, and the original gen1 ipad is $100 off... So no 50%...
 
@Moshe It's kinda broken, it only works reliably in some tabs
 
Physics is back to beta theme apparently...
 
7:48 PM
in JavaScript on Stack Overflow Chat, 3 mins ago, by Nathan
"jQuery Standard Object Notification"
@Moshe Oops… but the Beta text isn't there!
 
@Nyuszika7H Oops?
 
@Moshe But what it does is keeps track of each user's status (Available, Busy or Away) and status message -- like AIM -- and it draws a colored box around the user gravatars in the top right to indicate status, and sets the status message as the title of the gravatar
 
Ah, ok.
 
@Moshe Why is it back? Is it a bug?
 
@Nyuszika7H There was some backlash on the design, i tried to help fix it with my userscript, we'll see what happens.
 
is a spectator again, pending changes to his CSS
@TheRenamedException Seen that. How do I invoke it?
 
@Moshe 1. Make sure you have the latest version of SEChatModifications installed. 2. type: /status [available | busy | away] some message
 
Brother, can you spare $99?
 
@RebeccaChernoff - When you got a second, did Physics.SE actually officially roll back to the beta theme?
@TheRenamedException OK
 
You can also invoke using JavaScript: SEChatStatus.setStatus(message [, statusType]);
 
7:52 PM
Does anyone know about this?
 
+-----------------+
| OFFICE          |
| +-------------+ |
| | PHYSICS     | |
| | +---------+ | |
| | | DESIGN  | | |
+-----------------+
 
Jeff's pulled the design.
 
Official… so it's in the office.
 
@Moshe Oh no!!!!!!!!! My second favorite design! :'(
 
1 min ago, by Moshe
Actually: http://meta.physics.stackexchange.com/questions/511/is-anybody-there-from-the-se-team/518#518
er:
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A: Is anybody there from the SE team?

Jeff AtwoodThere is a user script to switch to any Stack Exchange design here: http://stackapps.com/questions/2143/minimaloverflow-a-themescript-for-stackexchange With some improvements, that will be the officially supported method of changing for those that prefer not to use websites with dark background...

See the end of the answer
@TheRenamedException I .liked it too, from the little I saw of it.
Seems like it could hurt your eyes if used extensively.
Okay, I have work to do now.
 
7:57 PM
I liked it, also.
 

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