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Dan Grossman

1:00 PM

I imagine it to be like the hacking scenes from Ghost in the Shell

everyone has a cyberbrain and everyone's trying to crack the firewalls of everyone else to screw with their eyes

by the time I visit Japan, that'll be reality

blog.zorinaq.com/?e=43 a little scary

brute force cracking 33.1 billion passwords per second on commodity GPUs

radp

I wish youtube had a "give me a random video" button.

Fosco

Hi.

Dan Grossman

hi @Fosco

Yi Jiang

@radp Probably too much crap on YouTube for that to work

Dan Grossman

igarchive.com/youtube/random.php

radp

1:14 PM

@YiJiang I wanted random crap to stop my series of two uninteresting tweets about political mehness.

Yi Jiang

@radp Talk to the kittenBot instead then :P

radp

...like this:

Dan Grossman

Patiently awaiting my Tonido Plugs... "billing information received" status from UPS since yesterday

radp

Dan Grossman

@radp reddit

Fosco

1:16 PM

My hide-images bookmarklet is coming in handy this morning.

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Either my local net connection is going down or there's some major issues with our datacenter...

can anyone load venuecom.com ?

Fosco

ruh roh

@TheUnhandledException comes up fine for me.

Yi Jiang

@TheUnhandledException Yes

Fosco

Damn that twitter bird is scary.

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how about mission.digitalfruition.com

Yi Jiang

1:27 PM

@TheUnhandledException Yes

Fosco

@TheUnhandledException just "Loading..." for me..

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ok, time for a call to the datacenter :-/

Fosco

btw, venuecom, while it came up, has been loading perpetually.

Dan Grossman

they work for me

Yi Jiang

We each pay a fabulous price
For our visions of paradise
But a spirit with a vision is a dream
With a mission

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1:28 PM

they're all right next to each other, I suspect a routing issue

@YiJiang Mission is my SVN and Trac server, stores our company's "mission" :-)

distantearlywarning.digitalfruition.com anyone?

(Our monitoring server, I can't reach it. Never a good thing when you can't reach your own monitoring server!)

Yi Jiang

in JavaScript on Stack Overflow Chat, 15 secs ago, by Coding Kitten

Did you break your network? Because http://distantearlywarning.digitalfruition.com/ is UP.

balpha

@TheUnhandledException works fine

Yi Jiang

Although it's down for me

Fosco

@TheUnhandledException also not loading for me.

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@balpha Thanks!

Yi Jiang

1:32 PM

2 v 4. It must be down @TheUnhandledException!!!

radp

@TheUnhandledException works

@TheUnhandledException the "schedule downtime" form seems world editable

Dan Grossman

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Ok, one of the providers was having issues and their routers were rebuilding the routing tables

@radp Oh? Now that I can load it, let me try

Yi Jiang

@TheUnhandledException ... and then you had to come around and ask us so that thing got hit with a bunch of pings :P

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Sites are starting to load for me now

Fosco

1:37 PM

yay

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@YiJiang This was very helpful, nothing like getting people from all over the world to test :-)

let me see what damage @radp was causing on distant early warning...

Rebecca Chernoff

G'morning.

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Morning @Rebecca

Yi Jiang

@RebeccaChernoff Evening (tips hat)

Fosco

@RebeccaChernoff Morning

> Nikola Tesla once lit 200 lightbulbs from a power source 26 miles away, and he did it in 1899 with a machine he built from spare parts in the middle of the god-forsaken desert. To this day, nobody can really figure out how the hell he pulled that shit off, because two-thirds of the schematics only existed in the darkest recesses of Tesla's all-powerful brain.

Dan Grossman

1:38 PM

[admin@krypton ~/rds]$ telnet distantearlywarning.digitalfruition.com 80
Trying 72.52.238.74...
Connected to distantearlywarning.digitalfruition.com (72.52.238.74).
Escape character is '^]'.
GET / HTTP/1.1
Host: distantearlywarning.digitalfruition.com

HTTP/1.1 200 OK

Fosco

^ did this really happen?!

Yi Jiang

@Fosco Probably never happened

The student experiment referred to in the article generated EM radiation about 20x safety limits

Imagine what that thing would generate

Fosco

lol

radp

@TheUnhandledException also all commands on this and similar pages seem world runnable.

I only tested loading the "Schedule downtime" form however

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@radp Did you actually try and schedule downtime on my servers?

Because when I try logged in as a guest I get a permission denied error.

radp

1:40 PM

@TheUnhandledException Absolutely not.

I'd be mad to touch something at all :P

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LOL. go ahead, all it will do is stop alerting me of downtime

radp

I don't want to be sued tyvm

Dan Grossman

Fosco

whew.

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Yeah. Just what I needed was you guys playing more tricks on me

;-)

Rebecca Chernoff

1:42 PM

Ooooh, we're playing tricks on @TheUnhandledException today?

Sweeeeet

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hopes @RebeccaChernoff is not listening

LOL

beat me by a second

Rebecca Chernoff

Hahaha

Yi Jiang

@TheUnhandledException We were all coordinating in another room, half of us telling you that the site is down, the other half up :P

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haha

Dan Grossman

in JavaScript on Stack Overflow Chat, 3 mins ago, by ircmaxell

half the requests would fail (due to the rebuild), but the other half would succeed since it went through the good router

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1:44 PM

That's pretty much the same thing here

oh

he's talking about my issue. Duh

Dan Grossman

:nods:

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I didn't realize people talked about me in rooms I'm not even in ;-)

radp

@TheUnhandledException All the time, man, all the time.

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Yi Jiang

(If anyone wants a more factual look at Tesla's experiment, and the current state of wireless electricity, have a look at this article: spectrum.ieee.org/green-tech/mass-transit/…)

^ This is the giant tower Tesla built

@radp Is it slightly ironic that the third message that came up is this: ?

in The SO Tavern (General) on Stack Overflow Chat, Oct 15 at 13:22, by Josh

@Benjol Call the MSO Tavern "The Unhandled Exception" and leave this one as "The Tavern (general)"!!!

radp

Yeah, wtf was that Josh guy thinking.

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1:52 PM

LOL

Tim Stone

2:06 PM

yawns, 'Ello everyone.

Dan Grossman

2:18 PM

hi Tim

Yi Jiang

Hello @TimStone

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2:38 PM

morning @Tim

Tim Stone

How's everyone today?

Fosco

Hi... doing okay, thanks, and you?

Tim Stone

Not too bad. Exhausted, but nothing new about that, heh.

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@TimStone Doing OK. Getting a slow start to the day due to network downtime

Zypher

@TheUnhandledException liar there is no such thing, it is only a figment of your imagination

Tim Stone

2:41 PM

Ah, that's annoying, did you consult the WOB to find someone to blame? :P

Gabriel Guimarães

When is the Tenacious badge calculated on SO?

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@Zypher LOL

Tim Stone

If I had to guess, I think it's done in a batch at 01:00 UTC..but I could be very wrong about that.

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@TimStone No, I didn't! What's the link again?

mootinator

I just translated some legalese to techno-speak. Proud of myself.

balpha

2:44 PM

►

Tim Stone

To the WOB!

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Thanks.

Gabriel Guimarães

@TimStone I Think this is not calculated for some time lol

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LOL, It's radp's fault!

Which it probably was:

Yi Jiang

@TimStone Update your bookmarks to the new version! /4/ instead of 2

Tim Stone

2:45 PM

Oh, whoops.

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1 hour ago, by radp

@TheUnhandledException the "schedule downtime" form seems world editable

See? /blame radp

Tim Stone

@YiJiang Oooh, the new version is even shinier

@TheUnhandledException Hahah

drachenstern

@mootinator congrats

@TimStone do you sleep?

Tim Stone

Yeah, I was gone for five hours or something.

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LOL

Fosco

2:49 PM

@drachenstern update: I had the break-up discussion with my girlfriend last night.. She's crushed and wants to work it out, but is taking it better than I expected.

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@Fosco ouch, this sounds not enjoyable :-(

I've been absent due to work so I have missed the context

drachenstern

@Fosco zomg. Duuddeeeee what the hell? /me picks jaw up off floor.

I didn't mean to tell you to go break up with her :P :O

Dan Grossman

< here when Tim left, here when Tim returned, here all the time

drachenstern

However, experience says today you left the house with a lighter step ... yes?

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@DanGrossman is @TimStone's suckpuppet!

Fosco

2:51 PM

@TheUnhandledException I only mentioned it here yesterday.. it's been coming.

drachenstern

@TheUnhandledException yesterday afternoon discussion

mootinator

Afternoon?

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@Fosco Well I hope things work out! Sorry to hear you're going through this, even if it's something you want doesn't make it fun

Fosco

@drachenstern I feel better that we've had the discussion, yes.. now I have about 45 days until she can move out.

mootinator

@Fosco That's the worst.

drachenstern

2:53 PM

@Fosco oh dear ... um ... that sucks but it's good. Maybe things will change, but experience says that would be as bad as things were before yesterday ...

Fosco

Yeah.. I know she's going to constantly try to work things out, but that's ok, because all of that stuff involves bettering herself.

mootinator

I had an ex who took the breakup talk very well, then did everything possible to make me miserable for the next 45 days anyhow.

Fosco

She says she "knows" she can fix things and we can be the perfect couple.

Tim Stone

@mootinator Ouch, heh.

drachenstern

@Fosco oh dear

Fosco

2:55 PM

anyway, I'll stop clogging the tavern with personal issues :) resume oy's and epeen fights now.

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ROFLMAO

@Fosco Everyone here knows I have posted more than my share of personal issues. As @drachenstern would say, that's what we're here for ;-)

Where else would one go for therapy than the local tavern? :-D

Fosco

it's my fault for letting it go this long and letting her move in/give up her apt.

Tim Stone

@Fosco Yeah, people like to brush off changes like this until they're forced to face them...but hopefully your remaining time together won't be too stressful and you'll both walk away from it alright, and if she can help herself in the process, all the better.

drachenstern

@Fosco dude, post here, destress, lighten the load. I will from time to time.

Tim Stone

I'd share personal issues but I greatly lack anything resembling an interesting life at the moment. :P

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2:58 PM

@TimStone wise words

@TimStone What do you mean, you talk about Minecraft all the time! ;-)

Fosco

@TimStone Yeah, she was like "i didn't realize it was this serious"..

drachenstern

@TimStone that's cause we see you here all the time, we are your personal life :p (says something about us too huh?)

Fosco

@drachenstern ok... you asked for it... lol.

drachenstern

@Fosco agreed ;)

Fosco

She made a list of things to do for herself, wrote me a letter (didn't read it yet, glanced at it this morning)..

Tim Stone

3:00 PM

@TheUnhandledException Hahah ;)

@Fosco Yeah, people have an uncanny ability to not realize the indirect impact that their problems can have on other people, which it sounds like was unfortunately what happened in your case. :/

Fosco

Unlike most people, she doesn't see a doctor, doesn't take medication, and doesn't go to the optician or dentist.. so those are at the top of the list.

Tim Stone

@drachenstern Yeah, that's rather depressing isn't it? :P

Fosco

@TimStone You're quite profound, fyi.

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drachenstern

What all languages use /* for comments */ ... I have: Java, C/C++/C#, TSQL, Javascript (and by association I presume ActionScript)

wb @Moshe

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@drachenstern PHP

Tim Stone

3:05 PM

Heh, thanks. :) I'm also awake on time for my teleconference, this is starting out to be a decent day for me.

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@drachenstern CSS, although that's not a programming language

drachenstern

@TheUnhandledException same diff

responding to a guy on P.SE about the new site design

comment so far: Yes, but that comment style is fairly language specific. Javascript (and by association I presume ActionScript), TSQL, C/C++/C#, Java, PHP, CSS,

Tim Stone

Is someone really bitching about that? :P

drachenstern

yes they are

so far six "languages" if you group like I did

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I know there's more...

drachenstern

3:06 PM

I know there are

Tim Stone

Can we resort to kicking them in the shins?

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@drachenstern man I am falling out of touch! new site design...

Tim Stone

To be fair I think that Jin just posted it earlier :P

Fosco

@Jin Great job with the new design! I love it.

Tim Stone

Or did it go live now? I don't visit programmers..

checks

drachenstern

3:07 PM

@Jin are you lurking? Good site design!

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@TimStone oh haha

drachenstern

meh, six is enough, it encompasses most of the major languages

Tim Stone

@drachenstern Yeah, I was going to pull out some more obscure languages but I figured that was unnecessary. :P

Moshe

Hey

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Hey @Moshe, how are you?

drachenstern

3:11 PM

@TimStone :p yeah, I just let it go.

Moshe

@TheUnhandledException - overslept and reading about everyone's problems. :-)

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LOL

Moshe

I have to figure out how to make a nag run in the background for a client. We are using Adobe AIR for this one. "I want it to reach as many people as possible". Yay, expand the feature set and make me use the worst possible language.

Tim Stone

@Jin gets bonus points for using both the whiteboard and the sticky note, making me two for two:

Dec 2 at 15:05, by Tim Stone

I feel like sticky notes or a whiteboard should be involved in some way as well.

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@Moshe theoatmeal.com/comics/design_hell

Tim Stone

3:15 PM

lmfao

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I love that one

mootinator

Welp, time to repeat myself incessantly.

drachenstern

@mootinator do tell

mootinator

Someone needs to design an ORM which takes a table definition as a mapping file. That is all.

Oh wait someone did that, they called it various things like CakePHP.

I'm trying to define my large existing dataset in Fluent NHibernate.

Moshe

Hang on, can't load the image, gonna try opening it in another window.

Fosco

3:20 PM

I h8 ORMs =( was going to make my own but decided I'd rather be disemboweled.

actually I made a list of the pros and cons, and the cons won by a long shot.

mootinator

I hate ORMS almost as much as I hate writing SQL for CRUD operations over and over.

drachenstern

in JavaScript on Stack Overflow Chat, 1 min ago, by Chouchenos

JANFEBMARAPRMAYJUNJULAUGSEPOCTNOVDEC I think I found my next nickname here.

Tim Stone

Yeah, persistence is so damn annoying and tedious, heh.

Fosco

i don't mind the crud ).. I love SQL.

Tim Stone

That used to be a huge problem for me when I used to design websites...it was really difficult to finish off sites, because I'd get bored with the administration stuff. :P

mootinator

3:23 PM

I love writing R in SQL, it's really the CUD that sucks.

Cows chew that stuff.

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@mootinator Hey is for horses, never for cows, pigs don't eat it 'cuz they don't know how?

drachenstern

seriously?

in JavaScript on Stack Overflow Chat, 4 mins ago, by Raynos

@drachenstern whats i18n

Tim Stone

... shakes head

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@drachenstern ...I didn't know that...

drachenstern

@TheUnhandledException seriously? ... ... ... @TimStone what's going on in the world?

Tim Stone

3:32 PM

:(

drachenstern

I suddenly feel old and out of place ...

and I'm quite young.

Apparently I've been doing this shit too long.

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I mean I would have had no trouble figuring it out, it's the first Google result, but

drachenstern

@TheUnhandledException oh no doubt

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It's just a term I have never come across before :-)

drachenstern

my point is the accreted knowledge that I don't even know I know

it's like a reverse of the Dunning-Kruger I guess ;)

ok, that's weird

google.com/…

clicking the first link gives:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%C3%A2%C2%80%C2%93Kruger_effect

mootinator

3:35 PM

I've mostly ignored that term as I came across it in the past.

drachenstern

is that repeatable to anyone else?

Rebecca Chernoff

shakes her fist at TFS merging. ):

Tim Stone

@TheUnhandledException To be fair, one of my ex girlfriends was a big accessibility/internationalization proponent and a non-native English speaker, so I was converted, heh ;)

shakes fist too for good measure

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LOL

drachenstern

@RebeccaChernoff that's Microsofts TFS? Yeah, I think we've flogged that horse around here sufficiently

@TimStone pretending to speak one language and read three more makes me a fan of "make it work for me tooooo"

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3:39 PM

I am working on making all strings in all modules of our product localizable. But we don't actually have any other languages yet

drachenstern

shakes first for the only exercise I'll get this week

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Comes in handy though, in case one site doesn't want a shopping "cart" but instead a shopping "bag", we can change that without forking off an svn branch

drachenstern

Where are you storing those changes tho? in the db?

Rebecca Chernoff

@drachenstern Yes, that TFS.

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@drachenstern In the site's config file

Tim Stone

3:42 PM

Never used it, likely never will. And this sounds like a good thing.

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$config->modules['Module_ECommerce']->phrases->viewCart = "View Shopping Bag";

drachenstern

@RebeccaChernoff could be some other the fracking shite

@TheUnhandledException you must not have many strings then :p

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@drachenstern We do, we just don't change them often :-)

Inside each module they are set by including a file English/phrases.php

we only have English/ subdirectories at the moment but we could add other languages

the added benefit is we can override a given string on a given site for specific localizations, like s/Cart/Bag/

Rebecca Chernoff

s/Bag/Purse/

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@RebeccaChernoff You must be like most of our girly customers ;-)

drachenstern

3:46 PM

s/Purse/No I won't hold your Purse/

Rebecca Chernoff

@TheUnhandledException Wonder why that would be...

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LOL

Tim Stone

Hahah

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We do a lot of stationery eCommerce websites, most of which are run by work at home moms

Rebecca Chernoff

Stationery. How exciting.

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3:49 PM

It is when you can customize the text and upload your own photos to the cards :-)

Well, it is when you're tasked with developing a WYSIWYG editor for such functions...

Fosco

I almost took a job to build an online custom printing designer for shirts and other promotional items

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@Fosco DON'T

We also have a quoting system for those kinds of products

it's insanly complex

They all want the stationery card designer, but they need so much more than stationery

Fosco

hehe.. I bet. I took this job instead. it was nice to have a choice.

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and the industry... is... frugal, we'll put it that way ;-)

Fosco

lunch time.. bbl.

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3:51 PM

enjoy it @Fosco

ok I'm diving back into work. I'll have out here for a bit, but I'm unlikely to respond unless you @The me

Tim Stone

Have fun :P

drachenstern

anybody here familiar with hgscc?

trying to figure out if this is the authoritative link newsupaplex.pp.ru/hgscc_news_eng.html

I think it is

effing a, 5 votes left already?

Tim Stone

Up/down votes?

drachenstern

sorry, "left for today"

mootinator

Uh-oh.

Rebecca Chernoff

4:08 PM

Hmm, it seems the radio station I listen to is doing Acoustic Tuesdays as a regular thing. me likey

Tim Stone

Hah :P

Nick T

Wow, must be a massive market if enough people are willing to listen to that droll

Tim Stone

Zing!

Rebecca Chernoff

@NickT Not a fan of acoustic music?

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@Rebecca what kind of music do you lie? I never see you in Tunes

Nick T

4:14 PM

Eh, it's ok occasionally. I'm just mildly jealous because where I live all the radio stations are terrible and can't get away with doing something like that

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chat.meta.stackoverflow.com/rooms/251/tunes

Nick T

Whenever I go to my friend in NJ there's some station there that I dig, only music station I remotely like

Rebecca Chernoff

@NickT That's what listening online is for! soundstl.com/mediaplayer

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I haven't listened to real radio in years

Rebecca Chernoff

This station is new. They started it New Years 2010.

And the last radio station like it left in like 2004. So yeah, I wasn't really listening to radio much either. (;

Tyler Chacha

4:23 PM

Morning

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Morning @Tyler

Tyler Chacha

@TheUnhandledException What has brought you to our humble home?

drachenstern

Josh I thought you were going to go work. Morning Tyler

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@drachenstern Sorry, you're right ;-)

drachenstern

@TheUnhandledException :p I'm not doing any better today

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4:26 PM

@TylerChacha No beer and no chat make Josh something something...

drachenstern

atm I'm copying files from my iPhone because it's out of space because I haven't cleaned up iTunes to resync my phone ...

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aw no Simpsons fans in here? :-)

@drachenstern they pay you for that? ;-)

drachenstern

@TheUnhandledException I am but the reference escapes me ... moe siszlak?

@TheUnhandledException never!

but they don't pay me to chat either ;)

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LOL

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Tim Stone

4:48 PM

Hm, my iPhone battery seems to be running out fairly quickly..

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Woah, what happened to the user list???

@RebeccaChernoff dropped to #4

Looks like the SO staff decided they were sick of her being #1 ;-)

@TimStone Less talk, more code young man!

Tim Stone

Dec 10 at 18:03, by Tim Stone

Seems that they may have merged SOIS internal chat with chat.MSO, because you've been very quickly overtaken by the boys in blue. ;)

Rebecca Chernoff

Interesting. My replacement may be coming in today for our weekly meeting. Apparently they interviewed him on Thursday. He's got something like 18 years of experience, isn't working now, and will take what surely isn't an epic salary (probably because he's not working now...). On Thursday when they asked him when he could start, apparently he said "tomorrow".

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@TimStone Ahhhhh

Tim Stone

@TheUnhandledException I haven't even been using it though, which concerns me :/

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4:50 PM

@RebeccaChernoff Wow, have you met him yet?

@TimStone Hm., that sucks. apple.stackexchange.com

Rebecca Chernoff

@TheUnhandledException Nope.

Tim Stone

@RebeccaChernoff That's...potentially weird.

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Well, good luck!

Does this mean you're stopping sooner than expected? :-/

Rebecca Chernoff

Doubtful.

Still haven't really done any training.

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@Rebecca this is a move up for you right? That is, you're leaving for better places, not being replaced?

Rebecca Chernoff

4:51 PM

Though I'd be ok with a longer Christmas break! (:

@TheUnhandledException Hehe yes. I chose to leave.

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I thought so

but clearly I've been out of touch :-)

Tim Stone

Heheh, I'd be OK with any sort of Christmas break..but I canceled my vacation :(

Rebecca Chernoff

@TimStone ):

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@TimStone Man that sucks

Tim Stone

Yeah...it's a long story, heh.

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4:53 PM

Our CEO just gave me 4 days off, Christmas + 3 more days

which was 2 more than I expected

Also, I get a half day this Friday, which was unexpected given our workload

Tim Stone

We do have some time off, but I probably will work anyway.

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@TimStone s/work/minecraft/g ;-)

Tim Stone

Heh, nah...I admittedly have a lot of stuff to do. Though I likely will still play games to keep myself from going completely insane. :P

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@TimStone Yeah, I was joking :-)

So @Rebecca and @Tim, looks like we need to significantly increase our chat volume to surpass these jokers!

Tim Stone

I know right? ;)

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4:57 PM

All hell breaks loose when I quit chat for a few days ;-)

Fosco

@TheUnhandledException all this time off... did you meet your deadlines? :)

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@Fosco No, I was so surprised. When we first talked about it it was Christmas and the day after off, and I was going to work my entire birthday, that was all. These new extra days were a surprise :-)

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