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Rebecca Chernoff

12:04 AM

I randomly decided to read Joel's HgInit series. For fun. What's wrong with me?

drachenstern

well first off, did you find it enlightening/entertaining/convincing?

So I'm still at the office after 9.25 hours today, what's wrong with me?

Dan Grossman

you're both insane

Tim Stone

@RebeccaChernoff Yeah, seriously, when I have all of this fun code that still needs writing, what are you doing reading? ;)

Rebecca Chernoff

@drachenstern Not done with the series yet.

@TimStone hehe. I've got enough on my plate, thanks. >_<

Tim Stone

Fair enough :P

drachenstern

12:17 AM

@RebeccaChernoff the grammatical message relayed above made me think you had finished it

"I read it for fun" ...

Rebecca Chernoff

I decided to. I started to.

drachenstern

:p

Dan Grossman

:shivers:

drachenstern

365black.com/365black/whatis.jsp

Lance Roberts

Sure wish I had fun code to write.

drachenstern

12:19 AM

If they made a 365white.com there would be hell to pay, how is that fair?

Dan Grossman

stackoverflow.com/badges/23/nice-answer yay.

drachenstern

@LanceRoberts living in Alaska probably means maintenance work eh?

@DanGrossman woot

Dan Grossman

@drachenstern Fairness is overrated

mootinator

White is always winning at chess.

Lance Roberts

@drachenstern A lot of that, but I do get to do new small stuff also, just none right now.

drachenstern

12:21 AM

@DanGrossman just to keep you grounded tho, JonSkeet has two on that page alone

@mootinator lmao literally

George Edison

Isaac Newton

3 1

elementary

Check out his question :P

mootinator

@drachenstern Lucky guess on my part. I couldn't even remember if white moved first.

Dan Grossman

My chess set doesn't have black and white... it has translucent and foggy.

George Edison

-6

Q: What is the sum of 1 + 1?

My teacher says that the answer is 2, but I don't get it. Please take a moment to consider the following: I have a container. The container has water. I add water. The result? Water! Therefore, the sum of the two waters... is water! And by the same token, 1 + 1 must equal 1. What is my te...

elementary

mootinator

@GeorgeEdison -6? Rude.

Rebecca Chernoff

12:53 AM

...and done.

Tyler Chacha

I'd like to put it on the record that 149 people upvoted Jon Skeet's SCHEDULE:

149

A: Why Does Jon Skeet never sleep?

Okay, just so everyone knows my rough routine, here's my timetable for weekdays. All times are UK time. 6am: get up, shave, get dressed etc (no SO presence) 6.15am: Check email/SO 6.30am: Walk to station (tiny SO presence via Android phone) 7am-8am: On train/bus to work (SO presence via 3G) 8am...

drachenstern

@TylerChacha too early, more will upvote it

mootinator

/facepalm

Jin

i'm having a weird css issue

can't get firefox to render multiple background images with short hand

background: url('img/bg-chrome-top.png') top left repeat-x transparent, url('img/bg-whiteboard.png') top left repeat #fff; <- doesn't work

drachenstern

@Jin that works?

Jin

12:55 AM

but this works:
background-image: url('img/bg-chrome-top.png'), url('img/bg-whiteboard.png') ;
background-repeat: repeat-x, repeat;
background-position: top left, top left;

drachenstern

sounds like a FX bug.

Jin

same problem with webkit too

Rebecca Chernoff

@Jin Hang on, let me ask this designer I know.

Hey @Jin, got a sec for a question?

...wait |:

drachenstern

lmfao

Jin

@RebeccaChernoff he sucks

i swear i did the shorthand way before and it worked..

drachenstern

12:56 AM

I'm so glad there's nobody else in my office

Rebecca Chernoff

@Jin He probably just needs to eat more bacon.

drachenstern

I'm not seeing it here in this spec @Jin w3.org/TR/2005/WD-css3-background-20050216/#layering

Jin

@RebeccaChernoff i'm getting this bacn.com/…

Rebecca Chernoff

Hint: I follow you on Twitter. (:

Jin

@drachenstern i'm positive shorthand works. see: css3.info/preview/multiple-backgrounds

drachenstern

12:59 AM

@Jin sonova idk then

Jin

i have it working in multiple lines way, but i prefer using shorthand

George Edison

Interesting... I didn't know you could do that.

drachenstern

that's really cool

Jin

i'm actually using a lot css3 for the programmers.se site

with decent IE fallback of course

http://www.ballyhooblog.com/realistic-css3-box-shadows/
http://nettuts.s3.amazonaws.com/771_sticky/step5.html
for sticky note effects, done in pure css

Rebecca Chernoff

awesome

drachenstern

1:06 AM

sweet

well I really want to hear more about this, but I should've left 30 minutes ago, my wife is gonna be peeved enough as it is. ttyl

Jin

@drachenstern ttyl

Rebecca Chernoff

@Jin, I'd try to help, but if you can't figure it out, I'd just drag you down even farther trying to help. ):

Jin

1:20 AM

@RebeccaChernoff it's ok. it works in multi-lines, just not shorthand for now.

Rebecca Chernoff

@Jin, you just need to minimize it, then it'll be on the same line!

Tim Stone

2:06 AM

Hmm, only two gold medals to go..

George Marian

chuckles

Tim Stone

'Ello @GeorgeMarian

George Marian

Hola @TimStone

remembers to switch sound cards

Yi Jiang

in JavaScript on Stack Overflow Chat, 5 hours ago, by Coding Kitten

@IvoWetzel if you like to, spam some kind of learning algorithm running on socket.io :)

^ This is what we'll be doing for the Kitten next! :P

mootinator

I have the same number of gold medals as Canada accumulated the first two times it hosted Olympics.

Tim Stone

2:21 AM

You were playing Need for Speed too? ;)

mootinator

@TimStone I don't have to be playing anything for that statement to be accurate.

Tim Stone

True :P

Yi Jiang

@mootinator Well technically it's badges but... hehe :P

drachenstern

People confuse me

mootinator

I think I'm turning into a pirate.

drachenstern

2:35 AM

Arr, why be ye sayin such a thing?

mootinator

My eye be itchin'. Gonna need a patch soon.

Might as well lop off the ol hand and get a hook while I'm at it.

drachenstern

Ever have your hand be so cold your chest hurt?

mootinator

No.

I'm completely perplexed as to how I got ~1200 SO rep within two weeks and now I never seem to be able to find anything I have any interest in answering anymore :/

Yi Jiang

Nope. I'll be well out of there well before the temperature gets that cold

drachenstern

2:57 AM

Last night sloshnig about in the pool filter I did I mean to tell you what.

mootinator

There. I attempted to answer a question I have no expertise in. Mission accomplished.

There needs to be a 'Full of It' badge for people like me.

Yi Jiang

@mootinator Go make one yourself

9

A: Nice css badge, can you give me a hand?

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mootinator

Fabulous

Jin

@YiJiang maybe u can help me with the multi bg bug i'm encountering. posted above

Yi Jiang

@Jin According to developer.mozilla.org/en/css/multiple_backgrounds, the second syntax, the one you got working, might be the only one they support

mootinator

3:13 AM

night

Jin

@YiJiang doesn't explain why i can see this in FF css3.info/wp-content/uploads/2007/09/…

i can see the multi bg working fine in that example, using FF

Yi Jiang

Okay... that's odd

I'll go create a jsfiddle to recreate that

Jin

when i firebug my nonworking shorthand way, firebug doesn't even show any background attributes, as if i never defined them.

Yi Jiang

Oh right, I think I know

This page says that only the final bg-layer can have a bgcolor defined

developer.mozilla.org/en/CSS/background

Rebecca Chernoff

yeah, if it doesn't read it it'll ignore everything

Yi Jiang

3:16 AM

<bg-layer>
    [ <background-image> || <background-repeat> || <background-attachment> || <background-position> ]
    |  inherit
<final-bg-layer>
    [ <background-color> || <background-image> || <background-repeat> || <background-attachment> || <background-position> ]
    |  inherit || <background-color>

Is that the problem?

Jin

i don't think so.

here's my syntax:
background: url('img/bg-chrome-top.png') left top repeat-x #ff0000, url('img/bg-whiteboard.png') left top repeat #fff;

drachenstern

@mootinator night bro

Dan Grossman

:thinks @YiJiang is on to something:

Jin

i put color declaration last, as opposed to first like I normally do because:
http://snook.ca/archives/html_and_css/multiple-bg-css-gradients

"The shorthand syntax for a normal background includes image, position, and repeat. However, the colour is always the last thing declared."

drachenstern

try this:

background: url('img/bg-chrome-top.png') left top repeat-x, url('img/bg-whiteboard.png') left top repeat #fff;

Dan Grossman

3:22 AM

@Jin The syntax says you can't have a background color anywhere but the end of the entire rule, not the end of each part

Yi Jiang

Simple example of this causing the CSS3.info demo to fail: jsfiddle.net/yijiang/ErXyR

Rebecca Chernoff

the style @Jin gave just has #fff at the end though...

Jin

@DanGrossman you solved the problem!

woot

Rebecca Chernoff

oh wait, what he just posted is different

Dan Grossman

no @YiJiang did :)

Jin

3:24 AM

ah

Dan Grossman

he posted the grammar

drachenstern

yeah @YiJiang

Jin

go @YiJiang

drachenstern

I saw it too in the grammar after the comment was made

Yi Jiang

Erm... thanks

Jin

3:24 AM

i thought color is last PER declaration.

i guess only 1 color per background:

Rebecca Chernoff

Copy/paste fail. I was playing with background: url('img/bg-chrome-top.png') top left repeat-x, url('img/bg-whiteboard.png') top left repeat #fff; hehe

Jin

@RebeccaChernoff you get partial credit

Rebecca Chernoff

Nah.

Just the little kid in back trying to keep up but with such little legs I can't keep up. q:

Jin

what's that hack where you put in a prefix in css so only IE can understand it?

Yi Jiang

@Jin The Molly hack?

Rebecca Chernoff

3:28 AM

_ or - I think?

an IE6 thing maybe?

Jin

*background

but does that work for IE8?

drachenstern

@RebeccaChernoff so what does that make me? I feel like I'm struggling at full pace somedays with these two

Rebecca Chernoff

@drachenstern You can hang out with me! (;

drachenstern

@RebeccaChernoff woohoo, ok! Should I bring the cheese to go with our whine?

Tim Stone

wanders in with food What'd I miss? :P

Rebecca Chernoff

3:30 AM

Screw the cheese. Just bring wine and we'll take care of the whine no doubt.

Jin

ah found it. just add "\9" at the end of an attribute, so only IE understand it

Rebecca Chernoff

Ah, this is what I was thinking of:

> Due to a parsing error, Internet Explorer 6 and below wouldn't fail on properties that were prefixed with non-alphanumeric characters. Prefixing a regular property name with _ or - will cause the property to be applied to Internet Explorer 6 and below but generally not in other browsers. Internet Explorer 7 had this bug fixed.

Yi Jiang

@TimStone Breakfast at the Chernoffs :P

drachenstern

@YiJiang whatever, breakfast club maybe

@YiJiang hahah

3:32 AM

@YiJiang o:

that's me on the right

Jin

that's me in the middle

oh wai that's a girl

drachenstern

@jin is a chick?

Tim Stone

lmao

Rebecca Chernoff

3:33 AM

Oh @Jin...

Tim Stone

0

Q: Logcat is often out of work

Logcat is often out of work, shows nothing. It's very ungelivable. Restarting eclipse everytime it happens is too annoying. Is there anything can do to solve it? Thanks

android logcat

Rebecca Chernoff

Times like these are when I wish I could quote multi-lines.

Tim Stone

My first thought was "Is it collecting unemployment?"

@RebeccaChernoff demands monologue stars

Yi Jiang

@TimStone Geili is a new Chinese internet slang I think

@TimStone schott.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/11/18/geili

Tim Stone

Nice, hahah

Jin

3:36 AM

@YiJiang that's a pretty dumb one

then again, i don't keep up with chinese popculture anymore

Yi Jiang

给力 in Chinese. I think that question is the result of Google Translate or something :P

Jin

chinasmack.com/2009/stories/…

that's pretty funny though.

Yi Jiang

Grass muddy horse should be number one, but meh... it's kind of old

Rebecca Chernoff

Random question, can you change colors of controls in Balsamiq? Like if I wanted to make the Window/Dialog blue instead of gray?

Yi Jiang

Also, lovely favicon that website has

Jin

3:41 AM

that's a pretty good site.

Yi Jiang

Grass Mud Horse

The Grass Mud Horse—() Cǎo Ní Mǎ—is a Chinese Internet meme widely used as symbolic defiance of the widespread Internet censorship in China. It is one of the 10 mythical creatures, and since an article about it was created on Baidu Baike in early 2009, it has become a cult phenomenon on the internet in China through chat forums. Videos, cartoons and merchandise of this animal, which apparently resembles the alpaca, have appeared, and it has since received worldwide press attention. Etymology and species Cao Ni Ma, literally "Grass Mud Horse", was supposedly a species of alpaca. The name...

Rebecca Chernoff

This is highly uncool. |:

drachenstern

Indeed

Tim Stone

@RebeccaChernoff At first, I read the initial line as "Thank you for spending the last five minutes trying to figure out Balsamiq Mockups"

Rebecca Chernoff

Heh.

Pretty much what I did though. (;

Tim Stone

3:45 AM

Heheh

Rebecca Chernoff

Oh heh, if I dismiss the message it seems to let me continue.

Tim Stone

I guess that's implied by the tense of the second message, heh.

Rebecca Chernoff

So, back to seeing if I can change the color!

Tim Stone

\o/

drachenstern

Yatta!

Jin

3:48 AM

@drachenstern i bet you didn't know Yatta is a japanese band, very popular.. youtube.com/watch?v=rW6M8D41ZWU

also, i hope you're not at work..

user152426

should I copyright my personal website; does copyright even mean anything on the net?

Jin

@user152426 you should. may be hard to enforce at times, but you should anyway

drachenstern

@Jin I knew it meant like "all right" or "ok" or "we did it"

@user152426 yes and yes

It costs you nothing more than a common footer and (c)

also @jin note: I rarely visit youtube even on recommendations. They're very appreciated, I just rarely listen to my computer sound. Maybe with google tv that might change

Jin

@drachenstern ok. that' video is kind of nsfw anyway

drachenstern

lol, oh then maybe I need to go see :p

Tim Stone

3:52 AM

0

Q: Is there a peaceful solution to Primm?

This may sound odd coming from the psychopath who slaughtered everyone in Fallout 3 and was concerned about whether or not cannibalism counted as food (not to mention what would happen if I engaged in it openly), but I've just restarted New Vegas with the intent of playing a character who never k...

fallout-new-vegas pacifism

Hahahah

drachenstern

Wow that's a crazy video

I'm so not gonna finish it tho

Jin

i learned not to question the japanese long ago..

Tim Stone

@Jin Yeah.....yeah.

Hello Kitty shudders

Rebecca Chernoff

Hrm. Words with Friends. This could be dangerously addicting.

Tim Stone

@RebeccaChernoff Whassat?

Rebecca Chernoff

3:58 AM

iPhone Scrabble game.

Tim Stone

Ah ha. :P

Jin

@RebeccaChernoff add me! jzy

drachenstern

and my username should be obvious

Tim Stone

I wonder if my iPhone has decided to behave..

Yi Jiang

I wonder if I'll ever get an iPhone...

Tim Stone

4:04 AM

One day, one day..

Though I'd be concerned when that day comes, since it might imply that Steve Jobs has enslaved the planet.

drachenstern

first school grasshopper

Rebecca Chernoff

ha

Yi Jiang

Tim Stone

Heheh, that was an interesting episode. :P

Yi Jiang

Actually, the last scene, when everybody's turned to zombies would be much more fitting :P

drachenstern

4:11 AM

I should probably buy the regular version of this game rather than the free version...

Rebecca Chernoff

I was just thinking that, ha.

Nick T

Is there some stock answer in MSO about why people don't have to explain downvotes?

Can't find one

Tim Stone

Am I going to have to go get my iPhone off its charger? :P

drachenstern

@NickT MSO downvotes or non-meta downvotes?

@TimStone if you do add us both to words-with-friends :p

Nick T

@drachenstern anywhere

Tim Stone

4:13 AM

108

Q: Encouraging people to explain down-votes

I used to get "upset" (though that is too strong a term) when I got down-voted without comment. If my answer isn't good enough then I'd like to know why. Not only does it improve the answer for the OP but it improves my knowledge too. Where the down-vote has been explained I've found it useful &...

feature-request status-completed voting down-votes

(There may be something in there)

Or see one of the 100000 linked questions there, my god, I don't think I've seen that many before...hahah

Nick T

Heh, yeah, I flipped through that but most of it was about encouraging users (not forcing) and on answers, not questions

Tim Stone

@drachenstern Ugh, I need to remember to change my iTunes password

I used far too many things that are a pain in the ass to type on the phone, heh.

drachenstern

@TimStone lol, yeah mine requires flipping back and forth three times (or is it four?)

Tim Stone

go go app updates

drachenstern

23

Q: Why do you cast downvotes on answers?

This is a question which started off with a comment, then turned into an answer, and now it's a question in its own right (as suggested by Jeff). I'm not sure where it could go from here :) It's obvious that different people cast downvotes for different reasons. (Upvotes are less controversial, ...

discussion voting down-votes community

@TimStone do we have your twitterid? I don't think I know it

Tim Stone

4:21 AM

Hahah, I just accidentally started a game with a random person thinking I could save myself from typing out your full username. Apparently not. :P

drachenstern

20

Q: Why are people afraid of downvotes?

I am starting to see more people use wiki answers and questions in what "seems" like to prevent rep loss from downvote. There seems to be wiki use for no reason sometimes. Are people that afraid of a -2 rep? Do people really take downvotes that personally? I am seeing more and more people freak ...

support down-votes

Tim Stone

@drachenstern That's because I don't have one ;)

drachenstern

the only downside to this nick

@TimStone I had a feeling

Tim Stone

You can find me: tmslft :P

Rebecca Chernoff

@drachenstern, @TimStone is too cool for twitter.

drachenstern

4:22 AM

I see this

Tim Stone

I'll accept that reasoning.

Rebecca Chernoff

(;

drachenstern

have ya'll heard the new P!nk single? She's too school for cool

Tim Stone

Also, my battery hasn't magically gone down to 58%, hooray!

Leaving me to wonder what app went renegade and sucked the life out of it earlier..

drachenstern

I foresee four new purchases for this game in the near future for this company ...

Tim Stone

4:28 AM

Hahah

drachenstern

Tim you seem to miss the point :p You're supposed to put down words ;)

Tim Stone

Yeah, about my starting tiles..

Yi Jiang

What should I have for lunch?

drachenstern

I've had that before ;)

@YiJiang salmon

Rebecca Chernoff

@YiJiang sushi!

Yi Jiang

4:30 AM

@drachenstern A little above my budget

@RebeccaChernoff Nothing good nearby

I've got... McDonald's, noodle shop and a cafeteria like shop that sells rice

drachenstern

sushi can't be made with salmon? interesting ... :p

Tim Stone

WTF? I refuse to believe that's a word. :P

drachenstern

I would go for McDonald's. A growing boy needs his grease and salt after all

Rebecca Chernoff

Words with Friends is $2.99 for anyone curious. I looked. (;

Tim Stone

I just went ahead and bought it :P

Yi Jiang

4:31 AM

@drachenstern Meh. Any of the other two shop can probably provide equal or more salt/grease/MSG than I need :P

drachenstern

@RebeccaChernoff grrr my $1.28 current balance ... will need to wait a bit longer b4 I splurge

@YiJiang so then go for your Daily Recommended Allowance instead of twice that :p

how often do you get McDonalds?

@TimStone Ask me that after next Saturday ;)

I also have Words with Pirates

Dan Grossman

mmmm food talk, making me hungry

Yi Jiang

@drachenstern Not very. Hang on, I need to get this done before going out...

drachenstern

ok

Jin

omg @RebeccaChernoff went psycho on me.

Rebecca Chernoff

4:35 AM

@drachenstern I had a gift card but I think I used it all up.

Jin

in Words with Friends..

drachenstern

@RebeccaChernoff that's how I roll all the time ;)

@Jin howso?

did she literally play psycho?

Yi Jiang

feels slightly left out

Jin

@drachenstern well, she spelled "psycho" on a triple word..

Tim Stone

I'm still confused how @drachenstern played "twasome"

Rebecca Chernoff

4:36 AM

\o/

drachenstern

@TimStone it's a valid word sir

@Jin nice

Rebecca Chernoff

@Jin Not really sure why this would surprise you to be honest... q:

Jin

@RebeccaChernoff don't get mad when i use words such as "Qi" "Xu" "Za" etc

drachenstern

My rack contains "E E E E _ _ _"

Tim Stone

@drachenstern I looked it up, but dictionary.com disagrees. I believe you and the game, but I'm still not positive what it means. :P

drachenstern

4:37 AM

wtf, four E?

Rebecca Chernoff

@Jin same goes the other direction.

:39915 I have 4 I's. >_<

Yi Jiang

@RebeccaChernoff What other language do you know? :P

drachenstern

oh that sucks

Tim Stone

@YiJiang No, she just means she's going to play words in the other direction.

3

Rebecca Chernoff

I meant that @Jin can't get mad when I play words like those if I don't get to get mad when he does. (:

Tim Stone

4:39 AM

Will it penalize me if I try to play a word that doesn't work?

drachenstern

hehehe

@TimStone no

it'll say "uhwhat?"

Yi Jiang

Off to lunch, leaving you guys to play your games out between yourselves. @RebeccaChernoff should play o: for a change :)

Rebecca Chernoff

Heh.

I'm trying to figure out where the heck my lead in my game with @Jin went.

drachenstern

he played QAT on me ...

Rebecca Chernoff

and now back to dealing with 4 Is |:

drachenstern

4:42 AM

are we all playing three games?

Tim Stone

I'm only playing one because no one else came to find me :P

Rebecca Chernoff

2 for me, hehe

drachenstern

ouch tim

Jin

i've been playing WwW for a year now. i've learned a lot of odd words

interestingly, i used to protest the word Qi. then i found out it's a chinese word

didn't think the dictionary would allow that.

Michael Petrotta

Qi is a godsend.

Tim Stone

4:45 AM

Mwuaha ;)

Michael Petrotta

Along with Qat.

Rebecca Chernoff

I'm stuck on my 4 Is. ):

Tim Stone

Well played sir :P

drachenstern

I feel better now Tim

:D

Michael Petrotta

swap. sometimes the best move.

Rebecca Chernoff

4:46 AM

I hate swapping.

Michael Petrotta

think of of like you would paying back technical debt.

Tim Stone

Hmm

@RebeccaChernoff To be sure, you're rchern right? :p @Jin, what's your name?

Rebecca Chernoff

@TimStone rchern? Who is that?

drachenstern

@TimStone jzy

Tim Stone

You know there's two games open now right? :P

drachenstern

4:54 AM

@RebeccaChernoff you remember, your evil twin right?

Rebecca Chernoff

@TimStone was that at me?

Tim Stone

@RebeccaChernoff Yeah

Rebecca Chernoff

2 games?

Gulshan

hi everyone! is there any strategy mentioned for SE2 sites in non-english languages?

drachenstern

@Gulshan can you elaborate?

Tim Stone

4:57 AM

Rebecca Chernoff

Well why'd you start one after I did! q:

Tim Stone

I started mine first :p

Gulshan

@drachenstern if i want to propose a site for our native language is there any ruling for that? btw, I speak Bangls

Bangla

Michael Petrotta

78 points on a word this morning. made my day

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