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12:25 AM
nice
I should look on there more often.
 
12:46 AM
Ugh, I seem to be having trouble staying awake today. Uncool.
 
I can't help but notice not one of you has shoveled my driveway yet
Somebody should take care of that immediately
 
Hi!
Please participate:
 
@MichaelMrozek I'll contribute by assuming a supervisory position on this assignment.
 
@TimStone In that case I'm forced to report that @MichaelMrozek has been inexcusably lazy with regards to the driveway situation. You should probably fire him
 
I'll be sure to look into the problem and terminate his employment with extreme prejudice should the situation merit it. Right after I finish eating this ice cream sandwich.
 
Jin
12:54 AM
@JohannesSchaublitb not sure how I feel about it. The site is about English Language and Usage. I'm sure there will be proposals for other languages as well.
 
@JohannesSchaublitb: that site would cover too much ground, and would split the contributor base. german.stackexchange.com would be just fine.
Nothing wrong with a site for Linguistics either, if you can get the interest, that Linguistics != English usage.
 
1:09 AM
Hmm, prettify based on tags. Not sure how that'll work. A post can legitimately have code snippets in multiple languages in it.
 
@RebeccaChernoff True. I don't think it can get any more off base than it gets now though :P
 
compare each line of code to a corpus of existing tagged questions in SO, and find the best match. Very geeky.
 
existing questions? Would think it just looks at the tags on the current question? Dunno.
 
I wouldn't mind code hints at the beginning of the <pre> block personally, but the Markdown parser probably couldn't handle that.
 
I was being sort of silly. Like code that compares natural-language text against multiple-language dictionaries to discover the language used.
 
1:19 AM
Shame on you @MichaelPetrotta, you know that silliness is never allowed in here.
 
when will I ever learn
 
shakes head
 
1:53 AM
dammit, SO, I'm still 39! I'm not 40 until TOMORROW! sobs
 
Happy early birthday!
 
@Tim thanks!
 
@Michael: My sympathies. I'm only three weeks out from that event myself. But a friend had a good suggestion recently: instead of clinging to thirty-something jump forward to 55 and get the mid-life crisis stuff early. You know, sports car, trophy wife, that sort of thing...
 
@dmckee: good idea. I'm more of a west-coast crypto-hippie, so maybe I should go whole hog and go live in a tree. Near wifi.
 
Nothing like a tree house with 1 GB/s downstream ;)
 
2:06 AM
@TimStone ...near a vinyard. With whale watching.
 
Sigh... air raid sirens sounding across Nanjing to mark the 73rd anniversary of the Japanese invasion of Nanjing during WWII
 
@dmckee Doesn't sound too bad :P
 
Hated air raid sirens as a kid, when they used to test them at noon every day.
WWIII! WWIII! No, just lunchtime.
 
@YiJiang Not a happy time. At this remove and without a direct connection it is always the monumental waste that gets me all choked up.
 
Well, in the next three days the city will be hosting a series of events to commemorate this:
The Nanking Massacre or Nanjing Massacre, also known as the Rape of Nanking, is a mass murder and war rape that occurred during the six-week period following the Japanese capture of the city of Nanjing (Nanking), the former capital of the Republic of China, on December 13, 1937 during the Second Sino-Japanese War. During this period, hundreds of thousands of Chinese civilians and disarmed soldiers were murdered and 20,000–80,000 women were raped by soldiers of the Imperial Japanese Army. The massacre remains a contentious political issue, as various aspects of it have been disputed ...
Also, the GFW blocked that page... can anyone tell me what's there that triggered it?
 
2:12 AM
"rape", maybe?
 
Oh, it started again
 
Oh Good Lord.
 
@MichaelPetrotta Nope. The wiki page on rape get's through the censors fine.
 
There are pictures there I wish I hadn't seen.
 
2:37 AM
Preview on Google? Has that always been there?
Also, I swear to god, if I get one more result for 1.4.2 JavaDocs...
 
@TimStone Quite recent, appeared about a month or so ago I think
 
Ah, good stuff.
 
anything interesting happening here?
 
You may need to define interesting.
 
I'd have just gone with "no" (;
 
2:46 AM
I'm an optimistic person. ;)
 
So, how does one motivate one's self to go to a job she's quitting and get things done? >_<
 
You can be happy that you're quitting? What's left to do?
 
Teach people to be me.
 
Oh, still? How much stuff do you do there?! :P
 
Finish up my OneNote which still has a ton of blank spots and one-on-one / group meetings to go over stuff.
 
2:49 AM
@RebeccaChernoff consider if you want them to call you after?
@TimStone #define interesting :
 
@drachenstern Yeah, that's probably what would drive me, heh.
 
#define : {!(got)}
 
They'll call no matter no what, ha.
 
@RebeccaChernoff Wait, you mean the rchernmisms I thought the Kitten wasn't enough?
 
In that case, just write "See jQuery documentation." in all of the blank spaces and be done with it, hahah.
 
2:52 AM
@TimStone I may or may not have gotten all that much done the last few days of work either... |:
 
I'm weird, but... quitting a job is the only opportunity I've had to see my TODO list shrink down to 0. I... enjoyed going in for that.
 
Ah...well, I imagine that's not unusual.
 
Don't really see tomorrow being any different, heh.
 
Whoa... apparently it is possible for js to read exif information
 
Just pretend you're working on the userscript ;)
 
2:58 AM
Hi @Feeds!
@TimStone Ha.
 
@YiJiang Lies! But, how? With the File API?
 
@TimStone Still reading. I did a search for "Reading Exif information with Javascript" expecting nothing, but apparently there are solutions out there
 
I have successfully made it to 50 days consecutive :D :D :D
 
Hooray!
@YiJiang Ah, cool stuff
 
Don't know what I would have done if I hadn't gotten my Fanatic badge before my vacation
 
3:02 AM
I just have all the sites I'm on up on my iPhone >_> <_<
 
95 days... 96 days... oops, 1 day... 2 days...
 
1
Q: Do HTML5 elements mean anything to search engines?

Sir PsychoLet me just say first that I'm not looking to start a flame war :-) I'm aware of the semantic meaning that tags such as <article> gives documents, but what benefits does one get from using them? Do search engines look at them differently? If not, what other benefits are there?

Migrate to webmasters or not?
 
@MichaelPetrotta Been at 0 consecutive days?
 
@TimStone trying that, but still have to remember to get on them all
 
@Tim: requires a country in which the iPhone works
 
3:02 AM
@MichaelPetrotta Ah, good point.
 
@Rebecca: dunno, probably.
 
I shamelessly bring my laptop with me everywhere, it might not be a bad idea to try and disconnect every now and then..
 
speaking of which, @Rebecca, thanks for the Israel travel recommendations.
 
Oooooh, right. I forgot about that.
 
don't remember what all you recommended vs others, but I think the Hezikiah tunnels was one of them.
@Rebecca: here's some pics, if you get a chance and are interested: petrotta.org/IsraelAndHolland2010
 
3:06 AM
We did the Western Wall tunnels, the Hezekiah ones are a different set iirc?
 
yep. didn't do the western wall
 
Holy crap Picasa Web Album is blocked. >< (finger to the GFW)
 
@YiJiang: come on, everyone I know in China has a VPN in their pocket for times like these...
 
@MichaelPetrotta Very nice :)
 
You did the Ramparts walk!
 
3:08 AM
So in other news:
I'm watching Crystal Skulls for the first time
All the associated extended family went home
 
Obligatory \o/
 
I wish we'd had time for that.
 
@Rebecca: that was one of your suggestions, wasn't it? Thanks for that
 
@TimStone danke schoen
 
Yes, 'twas. I'll have to go back since I didn't get to cross that off my list. (;
 
3:12 AM
Ya know, this Indiana Jones was fairly accurate till it jumped the shark halfway through
 
@drachenstern I still haven't bothered to watch it, heh.
 
@TimStone more of the same lucas storytelling
 
@MichaelPetrotta, just finished going through the album. Awesome pics! I'm jealous, hehe.
 
@Rebecca: thanks! I had a fantastic time. I'm sure I'll be heading back at some point to catch all the stuff I missed. My brother went in summer, and complained about 110 degree heat. 80 in the fall was great.
dinner time. night all
 
G'night, enjoy your dinner!
 
3:25 AM
Yeah, I went in August, bearable, but on the hot side for sure.
 
Wow, what an ugly if block...Hm.
 
@TimStone if it smells like bad code, then it's probably bad code
Well then ya'll, I'm gonna cut an early night I think
 
G'night! Tomorrow's Monday, hooray :P
 
Ciao D
I just worked 3 hours, I think that means I get to sleep in.
 
I'll vouch for that logic.
 
3:33 AM
@mootinator Yeah, I don't get that too often ;) ...
night ya'll
 
raises eyebrow at Eclipse
Ah.
 
4:19 AM
6
Q: Changes to syntax highlighting

Jeff AtwoodWe're changing the way syntax highlighting is done on the Stack Exchange engine. As you probably know, we use Google Code Prettify for automatic syntax highlighting. Since the beginning, we've had kind of a boolean setting per website: code blocks are always automatically highlighted (Stack O...

I likes it.
 
@TimStone Me too. +1
 
Jin
I likest it
 
Heheh, 'ello @Jin
 
But man, [jquery] = default? Jeesh...
There's a lot of mistakes in there. For instance, why isn't iphone = objective-c? And flash = as?
 
@YiJiang Yeah, I think it's reasonable to assume that if you do include code within a question with one of those tags, that it's from the associated language.
 
4:25 AM
Whoa! Google Code updated their UI
Wait a second... there's no PHP support? O_o
 
@YiJiang WTF? I was just there earlier >_>
 
Oh, there is. lang-php
 
@YiJiang so do a diff and post it. (;
 
@RebeccaChernoff Is the "question" supposed to be selected on the revisions page with the userscript? :)
 
@RebeccaChernoff How do you do diff on Windows again?
 
4:30 AM
@YiJiang Hm? Scroll down to the bottom of the pastebin and submit your correction. Then post the new url.
 
@RebeccaChernoff Oh, that works too? Okay...
 
'ello
 
Actually, you know what, I just realized that the rules Jeff posted are more complex than I thought
 
Hi @DanGrossman
@YiJiang How so?
@TimStone Does it hurt anything?
 
4:46 AM
@RebeccaChernoff Wth the rules Jeff posted, you shouldn't do jQuery -> lang-js, since if [javascript] is already used, then you're actually going to trigger default mode instead of lang-js mode
But it's weird... a lot of [jquery] posts don't have the [javascript] tag. Shouldn't duplicates of the same lang not trigger default mode?
Hang on, I'm asking a question as an answer
 
Heh, this userscript really gets in the way when you are scrolled down and refresh or if you are linked to an answer.
 
5:10 AM
@RebeccaChernoff Do my eyes count? ;) But no, I guess not. :p
 
You can still use it to navigate between revisions.
I don't think I'm a fan of the scrolling implementation either.
 
@RebeccaChernoff Yeah, I just wanted to know if it was intentional, due to this scenario
@RebeccaChernoff Hmm?
 
@TimStone Yeah, dunno what to do about that.
@TimStone Perhaps I'll change my mind now that I've commented out initially selecting the first item. And then if I can get the auto-selecting based on scroll that should help too. But the smooth scrolling animation just feels annoying.
 
Yeah, I wasn't sure what the best way to handle that was. If I think of something, I'll suggest it. I just wanted to make sure it was supposed to be there at all, since if not that was the easiest way to take care of it. ;)
Ah, gotcha. You're using the scrollTo plugin yeah?
 
yup
Ideally I'll be able to re-use part of the auto-select based on scroll for this. Only scroll if needed.
 
5:29 AM
27
Q: What to do when they suspend you for no good reason?

MarekWhat should I do if I get suspended from a Stack Exchange site for no good reason?

I'm curious, what happened here?
Clearly Waffles cleared the comments, and probably the answers too. Did any of you see what happened?
 
@YiJiang Some stuff and things. ;)
We talked about it a bit earlier..
 
Gah, thanks for piquing curiosity that can't be satiated :(
 
@RebeccaChernoff Yeah. That whole deal turned out being more than I expected when I did it for the chat thing, due to some people's large message/monologues. ;)
 
@DanGrossman Well we'll just have to get 10k reps here...
 
:confused:
I have no meta rep and I can read the deleted comments
Mod intervention
This discussion does not belong here, nor does the whole community need to have a say in this. Noldorin is the only mod on Physics, so if there's a disagreement with his actions only the SO-team is in any position to settle this with all involved parties.

Any further discussion will do more harm than good and definitely does not need any more opinions.
 
5:33 AM
@DanGrossman Only revisions - the comments are gone forever I think, but deleted answers should be viewable by 10kers
 
ah :(
I will never have 10k rep on meta
on SO, some day
@YiJiang You edited my answer!
 
It was a train wreck. You don't want to read it, really.
 
mr cleanup
 
@DanGrossman I have teh pwoer Muahahahaha!!! Erm... what?
 
1
A: How to make one page link to another page in Wordpress

Dan GrossmanChange 49 to 51. If you mean you want to create a link to post 51 using the title of post 49, then use get_the_title to get the title of post 49, and get_permalink to get the permalink for post 51. echo '<a href="' . get_permalink(51) . '">' . get_the_title(49) . '</a>';

I think you added backticks or something since I can't see the difference in the revision
 
5:37 AM
Yeah, I cleaned up the question, so I just added a bunch of backticks to the answer too
 
I just scratched my leg until it bled, that's no good
 
Some things don't need to be shared...heh.
...
That too (;
Hmm.
 
I have a Christmas tree! Look at me, being festive
 
Is it a Charlie Brown tree?
 
Do not place next to space heater
...without adequate homeowners insurance
 
5:47 AM
@RebeccaChernoff It's about half way between that and a normal tree
It's extremely fake, and comes with lights pre-attached. Modern technology is quite amazing
 
Someone sounds like he's basing this on personal experience...not to name any names or anything...
 
LEDs?
 
No, I'm not that extreme
 
@MichaelMrozek, sounds like mine.
 
I am overly enthusiastic about the LED christmas lights
I hate the old kind with the tiny bulbs, if you broke one you broke half the string
 
5:49 AM
I'm extremely unenthusiastic about all Christmas trees, but my parents gave me one last year on the assumption that I badly wanted one but couldn't afford it or something
 
I have this Amazon EC2 instance I'm paying $8/day to run... I moved everything on it to another server already, shut down apache and mysql, its load is at 0... but I can't bare to shut it down, worrying that I forgot to back something up and if I turn it off I'll lose something forever
it's been running for 525 days :(
 
That...is a lot of dollars
 
I guess I can stop it...
 
You can give me the $8/day instead, if that helps
 
I wonder what I do pay now
 
5:55 AM
In what way does that make sense? q:
 
@dan thanks for subsidizing my Amazon Prime free shipping service!!
2
 
I pay Amazon $24.46/day aside from that instance
the rest of it's actually in use...
 
as for the new syntax highlight rules, I strongly urge you to read the questions in the tag and see how many of them use a mixture of XML, javascript, css, html, etc
forcing a language on that would not be good, which is why "default" is generally a safer choice. But it depends on the context. 'webby' languages tend to suffer from this a LOT.
 
Yup, that was my concern. Posts can legitimately have multiple languages.
 
5:58 AM
I know what you're thinking. Did he use javascript, html, css, or xml? Well to tell you the truth in all this excitement I've kinda lost track myself. But being that this is my code - the most powerful code in the world and would blow your head clean off, you've got to ask yourself one question. Do I feel lucky? Well, do ya punk?
c++ for example is pretty safe to force c++ highlighting in my experience. Browse the tags yourself and see
 
Incidentally, didn't the author of prettify post on Meta at some point? I feel like I read the post awhile ago, but when I searched a couple weeks ago I came up empty.
 
yeah it's linked in my post so look in the LINKED column
 
@RebeccaChernoff It's linked from Jeff's question ;)
 
That would explain why I remember reading it like an hour ago :)
 
5:59 AM
seriously?
 
don't worry @TimStone one day we will teach @RebeccaChernoff how to use our sites. one day..
 
Originally he linked to Google Code by mistake, but the last link is now a link to that post :P
 
now that is true
but I corrected it in 10 minutes or so
 
nods One day...
 
Oh. I saw it before the edit.
 
6:00 AM
9
Q: Interface options for specifying language prettify

user137403I'm the maintainer for Google Code Prettify. Markup authors can specify the language for source code, but not markdown authors. Are the SO admins interested in a way of doing this? If so, might the following work If the first line is "#!" followed by one or more word characters, then make the...

 
Ha, look at that! I even had commented there.
Once again, I am not crazy.
 
I am, but I've come to terms with that.
 
well, once we deploy this syntax highlighting change feel free to browse around and find edge conditions. we can change the language hint field on the tags table to change the behavior for specific tags
should be within an hour or so
 
Nice :)
 
6:05 AM
Stack Overflow
Server Fault
Meta Stack Overflow
Webmasters
Game Development
Statistical Analysis
GIS
Stack Apps
WordPress
^^ sites with syntax highlighting
 
So this will affect all posts? They won't need to be edited to kick in the change?
 
I'm surprised someone didn't immediately jump on the "but I want to specify the language manually!" bandwagon
no editing needed, we look at the tags server-side and then tell the javascript to do stuff
 
@JeffAtwood I'm generally willing to pull out a pitchfork...just say the word!
 
I think I did mention that earlier, but the automatic solution is a better first step anyway.
 
w/r/t
0
Q: The Tweet This button drops punctuation that is perfectly tweetable

Kate GregoryI just tweeted a link to this question http://programmers.stackexchange.com/questions/25836/what-is-the-best-c-interview-question and the content had the two + signs (for C++) replaced with spaces. I edited it back to + signs, but I don't see why it should do that?

        $(function() {

            share.init('Stack Exchange Programmers Q: What is the best C++ interview question?', 'http://programmers.stackexchange.com/q/25836/37');

        });
what encoding SHOULD I be using there?
encoding makes my face hurt
 
6:09 AM
@JeffAtwood I was going to, but you specifically mentioned it in your post
 
@MichaelMrozek that has never stopped anyone before; your restraint is admirable
 
Admirable? @MichaelMrozek? Surely not. q:
 
If that ends up generating a URL, then encodeURIComponent()
whatever share is should probably be handling that though...
 
var url = 'http://twitter.com/share?url=' + encodeURIComponent(link) + '&ref=twitbtn&text=' + escape(message);
therefore our code is correct
 
encodeURIComponent(message)
 
6:14 AM
ah, link vs message
ok that seems right
 
<~ hopes there aren't unintended side-effects he doesn't know about
you're already using it for the link though, so probably not
 
Did you sign a waiver accepting /blame?
 
I think I'm already on the WOB :/
 
WOB Jarrod for that one
luckily for them, I don't make mistakes.
you're welcome
 
6:18 AM
spam complaints drive me insane, it's impossible to send e-mails without getting them these days
 
so friggin' sick of the pull, merge, commit dance in mercurial
 
doesn't matter if the person signed themselves up for a newsletter and confirmed their subscription the very same day... send an e-mail, they'll click spam instead of delete if they don't want to read it
 
I also miss my glorious, ultra-mature SVN user interfaces
 
I got sick of handling @TimStone's pull requests, so I just gave him access to the repo. Hehe. (;
 
I get the benefits of DVCS in theory, but in practice, it makes my life so much worse on every checkin.. it's just 5+ steps that used to be one easy, awesome GUI step
I love the way each mercurial command tells you "don't forget to X!" at the end, too.
BECAUSE YOU WILL
 
6:20 AM
lol
 
You're using hg from a terminal?
 
I'm sure 5 years from now mercurial GUIs will be awesome
today is not that day
 
Jin
i use hg from terminal too
jeff told me it's The Way
 
yeah you pretty much have to. Mercurial GUIs are, I shit you not, worse than the command line. I was like "how is this even possible?" but OMFG it is
not that I'm bitter or anything
 
Of course not.
 
Jin
6:22 AM
i used to use Murky for OSX, but it crashes a lot.
 
:sheds a tear:
 
TortoiseHg doesn't cut it for you? :P
 
The final message of a most faithful virtual server.
[root@polonium /mnt/backup]# /sbin/shutdown -h now

Broadcast message from root (pts/0) (Mon Dec 13 01:22:17 2010):

The system is going down for system halt NOW!
 
anyways enough of my complaining. and yes tortoisehg is part of the problem
that server cost you 525 x $8 .. I'd be smashing it with a hammer
 
Interesting.
 
6:23 AM
This would be a pretty quiet room if there were no complaining...
5
 
It'd just be me and @CodingKitten
 
Joel said that Fog Creek is working on some mercurial GUI project but who knows when or if it will ever see the light of day
 
Heh
@RebeccaChernoff We complain? Are you sure? ;)
 
it'd be nice though since all the hg GUIs are so very, very bad. Windows For Workgroups 3.11 era, is what I call the current state of DVCS GUIs.
and I think that might be an insult to WFWG 3.11
 
I rather like gitg for git, but I suppose I don't use it for much except pretty pictures
 
6:27 AM
What bothers you about the GUIs specifically, out of curiosity?
I don't have a problem personally, but since I plan on switching our version control to hg I want to know what I have to look forward to people having an issue with. ;)
 
well, they all currently suck... hard
 
why use them, then
 
I came from SVN GUIs which are magical rainbows and cotton candy in comparison
SVN GUIs are kickass and amazing
 
@JeffAtwood Isn't that basically the equivalent of someone asking for help because it doesn't work!?
 
why doesnt everyone stay on SVN until something comes along that not only has a neat feature list, but is LESS frustrating to use in practice
 
6:29 AM
These are pretty specific points of comparison, hahah.
 
SVN GUIs are OS X. DVCS GUIs are (currently) Windows for Workgroups 3.11.
I don't know how to say it any more plainly than that.
I'm sure if you add 5-10 years the DVCS GUIs will catch up.
right now they are too outside the mainstream, still
 
I use git on projects I intend to share/collaborate code with the public, but my own stuff, I'm still using svn :/
 
@dan well, I do believe DVCS is the future.. it is a better mousetrap.. but if all you need is very VERY basic source control you will be better off with SVN because the GUIs and tools are uber-mature
 
w/ github.com and springloops.com
 
is git still nasty on windows? I haven't looked in a while.. I know it's crazily UNIX centric to the point that it was tough to get running on Windows at all
 
6:32 AM
I don't know, I haven't tried
 
I use Git Extensions. It's decent enough I suppose.
 
Windows is just my shell for SSHing to Linux servers
 
@JeffAtwood I found it much easier to just use hg-git as a bridge between hg and Github instead of actually trying to use git on Windows, if that answers your question.
 
that does not surprise me even a little
 
Git Extensions is certainly usable. I'll use Git Bash sometimes too, but I prefer Git Extensions.
 
6:33 AM
speaking of WfW, have you seen michaelv.org
 
I'm pretty sure I have Windows 3.11 on one of my hard drives here... it was in the MSDN library so I couldn't help but download it
 
It is even festive!
 
lmao
 
@DanGrossman O_o Well my school still have Windows 95 split between 70 something diskettes
 
At least it opened for you, I forget what happened during the installation, but it starting to work wasn't it.
 
6:36 AM
I love just how much of the Win 3.1 UI that guy duplicated
 
@TimStone Heh. As I recall, my issues with Git Extensions were really issues with not knowing Git and needing to learn a bit about that first.
 
@GregHewgill Yeah, hahah, though I do have to wonder what would drive someone to want to do that.
 
nostalgia :)
 
@RebeccaChernoff Git is alright, though I find it's 1000000000000 commands a bit unnecessary. And, to be fair, hg-git doesn't work correctly either, but I'm still trying to figure out who to blame on that one. It's a toss up right now between dulwich and Python..
 
What's a good Windows IM client that can talk to AIM and Skype?
 
6:40 AM
Trillian? Pretty sure there's a Skype plugin though I've not tried it personally.
 
thanks
 
Just don't try using Trillian for IRC. Just stab yourself directly. Heh.
 
@JeffAtwood I use SmartGit, which make Tortoise look like Windows 3.11 :)
 
is currently installing a bunch of software for his father on Ubuntu
 
Have you used both? Is SmartGit better than Git Extensions? I didn't think there was another windows gui option.
 
6:44 AM
They do SmartSVN too, FWIW :)
 
BTW, what would be a good FORTRAN IDE for Linux? (crickets...)
 
@Rebecca, I think I downloaded Git Extensions and had a look, but by that time I'd got out of the habit of VS integration
and it was also in the phase where I didn't understand git very well, so my frustrations were probably mixed in to my reaction
 
Yeah, I can definitely understand. Now that I've used it a bit more, I recognize most of my early issues were with Git, not Git Extensions.
 
@YiJiang I bet there's emacs highlighting for that, somehow =p
 
@RebeccaChernoff, shhhh! That's not going to win anyone over :)
 
@Benjol Hehe... but my father is a diehard vim user :P
 
@Benjol Heh. Well, one shouldn't really expect to be able to dive in and be an expert in 30 seconds.
 
@RebeccaChernoff I want the knowledge immediately downloaded to my brain, Matrix-style. I don't think that's too much to ask.
 
You have to give it at least 60 seconds.
 
6:48 AM
@RebeccaChernoff Took me a few hours to get it right, hehe... and even then I was still doing lots of stupid things
 
urgh, Trillian
 
@TimStone I know the feeling, but the ways of git are such that if you don't grok it sufficiently, bad things happen. Most of the bad things are recoverable-from (with SO help)
 
Required installation steps: Make Ask.com my default search provider. Install the Ask.com toolbar. Recommended: Install the Trillian toolbar
 
@GregHewgill I had not seen michaelv.org
 
@DanGrossman I use Pidgin, but I don't think they support Skype
 
6:51 AM
@DanGrossman Seriously? I don't recall that from the installation. Hrm. ):
 
@Benjol Yeah, my main motivation for using hg over git is that I know hg has decent Eclipse integration, and I'm not sure about whether or not git does.
Plus, ease of explanation is important to me too, since I don't like being interrupted 10 times a day with questions, heh.
 
I searched for "Eternal Sunshine of a Spotless Mind" and found instead a song called "Eternal Sunshine of a Communist Mind"
 
s/a/the/
 
@Tim, I'm currently toying with the idea of presenting git to colleagues next year. The main problem I have is finding some demo scenarios which are sufficiently realistic while remaining short and not getting bogged down in irrelevant detours around the demo code.
 
6:54 AM
@DanGrossman Bah, the search probably ignores those anyway
 
@YiJiang whoops q:
 
@Benjol Do they have familiarity with the DVCS concept? There seems to be a large barrier even there in my case, but my plan is to make the switch soon anyway, heh.
 
@JeffAtwood bows to our supreme leader
 
@TimStone, to be honest, I've been using git as local private versioning, and that's what I'll be sellling to start with. The distributed part will be later - and I haven't really grokked that 100% myself yet.
 
Anyway I think I'll try installing the Photran plugin for Eclipse
 
6:57 AM
@Benjol Ah, I see :)
 
Quantcast's site is annoying. ): I remember looking at it over Thanksgiving and figuring out how to get to what I wanted. Now of course, I can't remember what I did.
 
Jin
 
@TimStone, I think I'll be adapting something from this page for the 'how it works' part of the presentation
 
Okay, I'm slightly confused. @TimStone What's the latest version of Eclipse?
 

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