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7:00 PM
@Fosco - is this relly a phone company, you say? Or is that fake too?
 
it's not a phone company, but they are developing an app for phones.
 
interesting.
 
-1, not nearly ranty/entertaining enough for the eight seconds I spent reading it.
 
ok, i have to work. Good luck
 
@PopularDemand yeah i figured, but someone asked..
thanks @moshe
 
7:02 PM
@Fosco - so you do web dev?
 
Yeah
 
@Fosco - What languages do you know?
 
@Fosco You should've rewritten it, then. You know, "humored it up" a little.
 
I am working on iOS and web.
@PopularDemand - no, if the client ever finds it here...
 
@PopularDemand What if I just put it through the ebonic translator?
 
7:03 PM
@Fosco The what?
 
@Moshe I prefer to stick with PHP/HTML/JS/CSS
 
@Fosco Know anything about OAuth?
 
@Moshe I also work with C#..
 
@Fosco - sounds like my web toolkit
 
@Moshe Nope, sorry..
 
7:04 PM
@Fosco ok thanks.
bye all
 
Hello
 
@Chacha102 Hi
 
How is everyone doing?
 
dealing with COM issues. So, fantastic!
 
7:05 PM
Isn't it?
 
I'M FIRED UP
 
So, any news on the SO chat pre-launch beta passwords? :)
 
I haven't gotten an email yet
 
@LasseVKarlsen, oy.
 
PopularDemand is going to lose it :). If rchern doesn't first
 
7:10 PM
"oy" is not the password either, neither is "yo"
 
double oy ):
 
NOT HELPFUL!
 
hehehehe
 
@MichaelMrozek I am losing it, but because of work, not SO. What's going on here?
 
(no, that isn't it; that is just me chuckling)
 
7:10 PM
Ai, denial, me test
I'm still holding on to my theory though
 
@MarcGravell, they've all got it into their heads that i have the password |:
 
That you guys are just secretly storing away all the password attempts
And don't really have a site that we could get into, that is, no password would work
 
/me wants to apply for the Chat SO beta. plz kk thx.
 
what is going to upset you is... this one
 
that's what they've been trying
 
7:12 PM
yeah, I've been guessing for a while
 
@MarcGravell What do you think we're talking about?
 
What is it?
 
You're a bit late to the party :)
 
ah, sorry. I'm slow
 
"slow", testing
 
7:12 PM
@MarcGravell What is it?
 
chuckles
 
Nope, not it
 
do you haz teh codez?
 
gimme us teh codez
 
40 secs ago, by Michael Mrozek
@MarcGravell What do you think we're talking about?
inquiring minds want to know!
 
7:13 PM
I assumed it was one of the others; we have several spinning
 
@MarcGravell What is it????
 
Perfect, now we need to try and guess the SO chat password and the URLs of the other sites
2
 
@MarcGravell Please!!!!
 
Because I didn't have anything better to do today
 
@MarcGravell so who gets to be in there? I think us in this room are some of the most active users you have..
 
7:13 PM
Let me be clear; we have no users in beta. There is no public beta; there is simply us polishing things, getting Jin's input, waiting on key dates, etc.
 
@MarcGravell, they're <sarcasm>slightly</sarcam> obsessed
 
Ok, let me ask a more serious question then :) Do you have any updates to the estimate for the launch date?
 
hehe
 
So, we won't get to know the password?
ever?
 
Like, are we still talking about "possibly end of next week" (said last week)
 
7:14 PM
@rchern Just for that, when I find out the password, I'm not telling you what it is
 
Tim
@MarcGravell Key dates....I guess we'll have to get another pool going.
 
I'll know in about half an hour... not sure I'll be able to tell you though.
 
so you're denying it is true @MichaelMrozek?
@MichaelMrozek, it is your own fault for thinking i had the password! mwuahaha
 
@rchern I don't have time to deny your baseless allegations, I'm too busy trying to guess the password
 
lol
 
7:16 PM
"Applying Internet Explorer Branding Policy" <-- now I'm scared
 
though guessing the urls for the other sites isn't really guesswork. chat.betasite.stackexchange.com ?
 
@Shog9 Citrix?
 
(puts on evil face) actually @rchern is there all the time - she just doesn't want the unwashed rabble massing it up.
 
Yup.
 
@Shog9 That messages scares me every time
 
7:17 PM
@MarcGravell, i hate you. LOL
 
It usually lags there a few seconds too, it's apparently the most complicated part of the connection
 
applying internet explorer branding policy???
 
yeah, I suspect it needs to let the iron get good and hot first
 
7:35 PM
jQuery.timeTravelForward('hours',1);
2
 
sigh, I have a problem about Windows Mobile 6
luckily there's the Gadgets StackExchange that can help me!
._.
 
Friday morning Europe time. That do?
 
what's worse, the error message is in Italian and I can't find the english version of it
 
@radp - Google Translate?
 
it's not that I can't translate it
it's that I can't find google hits for it
 
7:44 PM
you can't find google in translated version or italian?
 
I'd translate it as "Cannot open $application. Trusted digital key or component unavailable. If the problem continues, reinstall or restore the file."
 
Ok.
 
Google shows no hits for that sentence however, nothing even close to it
 
I don't know italian, but contextually, you can try: "Cannot open $application. Digital signature or component unavailable." etc...
Can we see the Italian?
 
Impossibile aprire il file $applicazione. Firma digitale con certificato attendibile non disponibile o impossibile trovare uno dei componenti. Se il problema persiste, reinstallare o ripristinare il file.
All italian hits speak about hacked ROMs... <.<
 
7:49 PM
This is the english counterpart:
The file xxx cannot be opened. Either it is not signed with a trusted certificate, or one if its components cannot be found. If the problem persists, try reinstalling or restoring this file.
 
Tim
"That's actually a generic error. It will display if an executable doesn't meet security requirements or if a DLL on which the executable is dependent cannot be found. Also note that there's two versions of the SDK. The older version was for Windows Mobile 6.1 phones. The later is for 6.5 phones. The version for 6.5 doesn't work on 6.1 phones."
 
Tim
So likely missing dependency?
(from here by the way)
 
@Tim thanks for that
 
@MarcGravell You mean, launch date of SO chat? Friday morning european time?
 
7:52 PM
yup
 
Yes, that will do nicely :)
Now, about that pre-launch password...
 
assuming nothing like "ISP forgets to put coins in the meter" etc
 
Tim
@MarcGravell "No one remembered to feed the hamsters" and so on..
 
@LasseVKarlsen - Missed all that, is @MarcGravell yielding?
 
Nope
I think I have to renew my threat of sleeping with the admins
 
7:56 PM
awwww !
yea you may have to
 
He confirmed launch date though, that is, assuming everything goes well
Friday morning, european time
 
A wide-open launch?
 
He didn't specify, so I'm assuming yes, the real launch
 
I'm not sure if we'll get appreciably more traffic than we do here; it seems like anyone on SO who would be interested in chatting would already be here
It'll be interesting to see a General room with more than ~20 people though, if that does end up happening
 
tumbleweed badge on SU - my first such badge on any site!
 
8:00 PM
@Shog9 I've got two across all the sites - SU and MSO.
 
let's just count that as two for SU
Super User - Tumbleweed Town!
 
I could give away a raffle prize of a single ticket entry to chat.stackoverflow, but who would you talk to?
I think best thing is to wait for Friday
 
As I've already stated, I'm partly schizo
And so am I
 
No, that wasn't you - it was Lasse
 
Yeah, don't listen to that guy, it was me
 
8:04 PM
(resists temptation to do something evil...)
 
@MarcGravell, don't.
(resist)
 
Sometimes it is good to give in to temptation
 
@MarcGravell 100 rep to the first 10 users logged in on Friday :)
Also 200 rep to me, for suggesting it
And skip the 100 rep part
 
heh
 
@MichaelMrozek lol
 
8:07 PM
@MarcGravell do you have a GMT time so I can hover with my mouse?
 
@AidenBell It's on the recent page (the page you get when you click the envelope)
 
I'll just set up a script to refresh the page, and beep me when it changes
 
feature request.. take anything that looks like a date/time, and give it ALT text with the time converted to the viewers local time.
 
@MichaelMrozek - Thanks, I meant the chat.so opening :)
 
I think @MarcGravell has said already that they don't have the local datetime setting
But hmm, perhaps the browser could supply that to the server? Doesn't the browser know the current UTC time?
 
8:10 PM
.... :S ... checks im not talking jibberish
 
sorry, was talking elsewhere; based on previous, I'd say roughly 8am/9am UTC
 
Awesome.
thanks
 
we don't track people's local times centrally, but yes there are lots of things we could do at the client.
 
Never really thought about it myself
 
3/4 am. fail q:
 
8:13 PM
@Fosco we do display most dates in chat in your local time...
 
@rchern Perhaps you should try less sleeping and more SO dedication
 
@rchern sleep is for the weak and the wicked
 
agreed
 
I think that image should be the motto for this site
 
8:15 PM
i can handle 2am
 
8am UTC is in my tiny zzzzz window
 
@rchern Well, you're going to need to move west then. By Friday
 
haha
 
9:13 PM
That's what they should call Programmers SE: "Something is Wrong on the Internet"
 
No, it's programmers so ... "Something is wrong on the Internet?"
 
Much of that is on Programmers SE
 
@LasseVKarlsen - snap
 
Sure wish they'd fix the markup in chat.
 
status-bydesign
more accurately,
status-jeffsaidso
 
9:19 PM
Just sent an email to a client.
Not exactly a firing, but...
No down payment and no contract. Of course I'm stupid enough to get started.
So I stopped.
And I told them so.
 
yet another crash
 
status-cricket-croak
@radp - what crashed?
 
first Windows(R) Mobile(TM) Device Center(R)
now Windows(R) Explorer(TM)
 
@radp - sounds like someone is doing WinMo7 dev.
 
now the mobile driver too
no, I'm doing WinMoFo6 troubleshooting
 
9:24 PM
Jus sayin.
lol
 
oh and Windows(R) Mobile(TM) 6(R) too
MULTICRASH(TM)
 
Yea, you can get it at Microcrash.com or microcrash.com/multicrash
 
when rightclicking microcrash.com
 
erm.
What browser?
@radp - I'm on safari on Mac. 8 entries in my context menu, not 80.
 
@Moshe FFb6, still the latest load of crap from Firefox
 
9:34 PM
ok
 
WinMoFo??? I use to call it that when it BSODs
/me googles
 
9:59 PM
jeff made it to the twitter homepage for this:
hell just froze over. Ad for new Microsoft Phone is actually.. really.. good. http://goo.gl/DAPu
 
@radp - I gotta agree with Jeff. Great add.
who picks those top tweets?
 
Jack Dorsey has a giant touchscreen monitor he uses to select them
 
@MichaelMrozek Are you serious?
 
@moshe number of retweets, duh :)
 
Ah, Microsoft is pulling an Android when launching the phones in Europe
 
10:10 PM
@radp - I'm just a bit out of it now. Your smiley... it... it's.... almost backwards.
 
That'll go over well I presume
 
@LasseVKarlsen - what ware they doing?
 
No app-store
 
Ah, I see.
 
No zune, no music, no app-store
 
10:11 PM
yea, that'll annoy people.
 
You know, right about now I expect to hear from all those people I know that dig everything that isn't Apple to pipe up about Windows Phone 7 not having copy and paste at launch
Because that was the only thing I could get out of them when iPhone was hot
And the funny thing is, I don't expect to hear squat :P
Because when Microsoft does it, it's The Right Thingâ„¢
 
Please, no copy and paste isn't a big deal
 
I know that
 
no multi-tasking or HTML5 video OTOH...
 
Let's hope they don't pull an Android when it comes to updates to the OS
"If you buy X now, you can upgrade to 7.1 later"
"Oh, sorry, did we mention that you can't, really...?"
 
10:15 PM
WM7 does a few things right usability wise
I like the visual look and feel of the mobile
 
I like the WM7 look
 
sure, it's a few years behind technologically wise.
 
@LasseVKarlsen heh... If they hadn't completely broken compatibility, I suspect we'd have seen that already with WinMo6.5
 
No, I don't mean it like that
Quite a few Android phones was sold with the 1.6 OS and promises that it could be upgraded to 2.x when that was launched
 
burning all bridges with WinMoFo 6- is something I wholeheartedly approve
 
10:16 PM
Only it turned out that that wasn't really doable, not enough memory or some such thing
 
the whole clusterfuck needed a reboot
 
Yep, definitely agree
 
right - I'm saying, if it looked even remotely feasible to run WinMo7 on a WinMo6 device, mfgs would already be selling "WinMo7-ready" devices...
 
And to use Silverlight as the base for development, genius
Instantly make a lot of developers phone software developers over night
 
All moderators should get a big fist right in the center of their icon.
 
10:22 PM
I thought that was some kind of euphemism until I figured out what you meant
 
WinMo7 should be apps-free, right?
 
That was a pretty entertaining post.
 
apps-free?
 
you know, free of those pesky apps
 
is there support for 3rd party apps?
 
10:23 PM
I think there's an app for that
 
oh, an app to support 3rd party apps.
 
so long as the third-party does Silverlight
 
Windows Mobile 6(TM) Hell(R) (Patent Pending) Compatibility Layer(TM)
 
Those stars in the chat
Is it really any point in keeping 972 of them?
Won't that make them rather pointless?
 
No. They were already pointless at ~50
 
10:25 PM
@LasseVKarlsen sure
it's 972 starred messages
 
at this point, they're collectors items!
 
I'm only ever going to see the last 5-10 or whatnot
 
tsk, link me to that @rchern mocking :): image! quick!
loads starred list
fffffound :P
 
):
 
aww, I even inverted it for you :(
 
10:35 PM
The subtitle of that image should be "rchern is pleased by your sadness"
 
Hehe
 
3 hours ago, by rchern
@MarcGravell, they're <sarcasm>slightly</sarcam> obsessed
That reminds me. Is the SO chat open yet???
I've been gone for 3+ hours, need to make sure I haven't missed anything
 
Oy
 
Only 1 star for "Oy"? Really?
 
10:40 PM
;-)
 
Someone starred that?
 
@radp - You don't see the top of a stick figure drawing on an easel?
Oy-<
 
On mobile
 
PEOPLE MAKE UP YOUR MINDS!!!!
 
@rchern - what about mobile?
 
10:41 PM
Ok, now a star for ";-)" is just plain sllyness
^--> DON'T star that!
 
I'm on mobile so no stars to the right for me
 
@rchern Good. It would just frustrate you otherwise
 
@TheUnhandledException Why not? :-P
 
I don't think I can star on mobile.
 
10:43 PM
So it's official, we are all switching to backwards smileys?
 
On a mobile device, I see now how you slipped to #3 #rchern :-)
@MichaelMrozek Thanks. I was trying to be funny, but, I do actually want to know because I want to recreate The Roach Motel
 
Ah I can see stars on the message but no list. Still don't think I can star.
@the slipped huh?
 
@rchern Forgot an o
@user152221 your gravatar is scary
 
Stars are restricted to forwards-smiley folk...
3
 
@MarcGravell Now that's a message worthy of a star!
 
10:48 PM
...or maybe we just dropped it for mobile; we cant include everything.
 
@MarcGravell ):
 
@waffles You too with the backwards smileys?
 
(btw I'm on iPod at the moment, so I can relate...)
 
@rchern are you @waffles ' sockpuppet?
 
@MarcGravell Whatever you do ... don't click the "make chat window go nuts button" (aka stay at bottom )
The iPad rocks btw ... ignore all of Jeff's dogma ... HE IS WRONG
 
10:51 PM
Did you see the early builds? like being in a 'quake.
 
yerp ... the mobile skin is awesome now ... except for that pin to bottom link
 
Sounds painful. Like a party game or something.
 
@waffles I can appreciate the stick to bottom link. I with I had easier editing and better starring abilities.
@waffles You ever find the little "info" buttons in iOS to be too small?
 
well I only used it on mobile for like 20 minutes on the weekend, did not play with the info stuff
 
I mean the info button in apps.
the little white or grey "i" in a circle.
 
10:55 PM
position fixed on mobile safari and android require "acts of god" to work properly
 
nite
 
nite
 
Tim
G'night
 
nite
 
Goodnight
(Who are we saying goodnight to?)
 
10:57 PM
To Firefly
 

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