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devinb

12:25 PM

@marc When/why did the 'click msg to reply' feature get turned off?

Benjol

@devinb, chat.meta.stackoverflow.com/search?q=veto

devinb

@Benjol Thanks :)

It makes sense if they have other functionality planned for that action.

Marc Gravell

@devinb - Jeff veto ;p

on the grounds that you can do it easily enough via the click, and as it happens we do have other uses for click - moderation. So I can now shift selected messages between rooms.

This also partly meets a meta suggestion for selecting multiple non-contiguous messages, so we can possibly re-use some things there.

devinb

@Marc I think it's a little... troubling.. that we'd remove a feature designed for use by everyone in favour of a feature that can only be used by,.... one per room?

No... even less.

Anyway, I agree that there could be better things done with that action.

Marc Gravell

There is no "in favour" here; we could toggle the mode. Simply; that is not perceived as the desired approach for replies.

devinb

12:33 PM

But according to those... usability principles outlined in that book I can't recall.

Benjol

@MarcGravell, I like your use of the passive voice there :)

devinb

The fact is that "reply" now uses A) two clicks, one to the reasonably size bar on the left, and then a move and another clikc.

Marc Gravell

OK, I haven't been following "english.stackexchange.com", so I'll take your word for it ;p

devinb

or, a single click on a very small button.

Marc Gravell

@devinb - what about the overlay?

Benjol

12:34 PM

@marcgravell "that is not perceived as the desired approach"

Marc Gravell

ah

two seconds; testing something... @Benjol - apols, but your client may reload...

and back again...

ooh, shiny

devinb

What changed?

Benjol

@MarcGravell, it did, twice :) Once in flashed, then it did a really really ("do you want to navigate away...")

Marc Gravell

We have a new, simpler way to make people room-owners

I tested that. And took it back again ;p

Benjol

Wow, I was invested with magic powers, but didn't even have time to do anything about it! ...

Marc Gravell

12:37 PM

also - any chance that one/both of you could do a hard-F5?

Benjol

done

Marc Gravell

This room was placed in timeout for 1 minute; the topic of this room is "read the faq chat.meta.stackoverflow.com/faq"; - conversation should be limited to that topic.

Jeff wanted Jack Bauer...

don't blame me...

I just work here ;p

Timeout cleared

Benjol

tacky

sorry

Marc Gravell

;p

devinb

Timeout counts by 2

bizarre.

Benjol

12:39 PM

and you're missing some intermediate font sizes, I think

Marc Gravell

@devinb - it picks it up from the server during poll.

Benjol

@devinb, it's the time it takes for the animation I guess :)

devinb

Yeah, I figured, it's just funny.

Marc Gravell

anyway; I'm sure Jeff'll clarify his intentions when he sees the... er... thing that it is currently ;p

Benjol

@MarcGravell, I guess it does have the advantage of getting your attention

Marc Gravell

12:44 PM

;p

Benjol

But a disadvantage is that it'll draw your attention away from whatever the moderator is trying to say

Marc Gravell

ttfn people

Andy E's head

3:12 PM

@balpha: is the gutter arrow supposed to be present on every message now?

balpha

it has always been

devinb

gutter arrow?

Andy E's head

@balpha: I mean permanently present, not just on hover?

balpha

oh -- no, that shouldn't be

tried a hard refresh? old css or so?

Andy E's head

yeah that fixed it. Must have been stale CSS in the cache.

radius

5:10 PM

Mobile version of the chat is cool, but i think it could better with thé typping bar ans menu on the bottom

May be this could an option

Shog9

there's a mobile version?

when'd that happen?

radius

Yes

I don't know, i just tried that right now

Shog9

link?

Lance Roberts

Please fix the search so it works. Example: From 'The Tavern', Hit 'Search Transcript', type 'Cletus' in word box, leave other box blank, hit button, see Kitten

Shog9

Obviously, search thinks cletus's true nature is that of a cute fluffy pet. I concur!

litb

5:28 PM

@balpha the "load older messages" "show all" etc bar

balpha

@litb that bar is supposed to be up there

litb

but it scrolls away -.-

balpha

what do you mean by "scrolls away"? I don't understand

litb

the bar isn'T visible always

Chacha102

@MarcGravell Get your links right... GOSH!!! (The message when a mod moves messages links to chat.stackoverflow not chat.meta.stackoverflow)

balpha

5:33 PM

@litb why should it be visible always?

litb

i've no idea

lol

Chacha102

@litb It should only be visible when your scroll up enough that there aren't any more messages

litb

anyway im gone. have fun!

Chacha102

@balpha I'm going to pretend that never happened..

David L.-Pratte

Why does the "other rooms you're in" use a different color convention than the regular red, green, black there is in chat rooms? I think it should be made coherent.

Chacha102

5:39 PM

I like the green better

It makes it stand out

Because the talk is always more interesting in another room

Popular Demand

+1 @Chacha102

Stefano Borini

I don't get it

Shog9

@stefanoborini right now, "other rooms" shows George Marian talking about his cat. Therefore, I'll jump over expecting amusing LOLCat pictures. And be disappointed.

Popular Demand

@shog9 He referenced his waistband -- may I never hear about it again -- in the same comment. Are you sure you want pictures?

Shog9

@populardemand only if they have cute kittens / cletuses and amusing captions

George Marian

5:54 PM

I think that whatever indicator is used for the reply notification should always let you scroll through replies.

Popular Demand

@shog9 As a wise woman once said, "Ack! Hoisted by my own petard!"

Stefano Borini

test

Popular Demand

Seriously though, as long as I'm here, I should report the odd behavior in The Tavern about an hour ago:

in The Tavern (General), 54 mins ago, by Popular Demand

Did anyone else's starred-messages list just lose its formatting?

balpha

@pop probably by design -- I changed some stuff in that list, including the css -- so you probably had new data, but old css

Shog9

mine still is... But then, I haven't refreshed in like three days now, so gotta figure the remote-generated HTML and local CSS is getting a bit out of sync

balpha

6:01 PM

wait

are you serious?

Shog9

FEATURE REQUEST: make pasting an image work (auto-upload to the new SO service or something)

balpha

you have the same page open for three days?

devinb

@balpha There are certain questions that aren't meant to be asked.

Shog9

@balpha Yup, since before

Aug 13 at 6:04, by Jeff Atwood

I veto this "click anywhere on a message to insert reply" behavior

(don't want to lose click-to-reply 'til i've had a chance to greasemonkey this baby)

Michael Mrozek

Is there a keyboard-only way to reply to a given message? Or is clicking the little arrow the only way?

Popular Demand

6:04 PM

@michaelmrozek I've wanted to request this since the moment they implemented the little arrows. But how would you design it?

I did mention a few days ago -- I think -- about providing a unique ID with every message, but man, talk about a solution that's worse than the problem.

Shog9

@populardemand arrow-up to select a message, type to respond...

George Marian

@michaelmrozek You'd need to know the post number.

Michael Mrozek

@Popular There is a unique ID with every message, it just isn't displayed

Popular Demand

@michaelmrozek I know, my point is that displaying it would be UGGGGGly.

@shog9 How would you handle "edit my own earlier post," then? Continue using up-arrow for both?

Shog9

@populardemand yup

first up-arrow edits, next up-arrow replies to last message, next up-arrow replies previous, so on... (skipping your own messages, of course)

Michael Mrozek

6:07 PM

In theory up would go to the most recent post; if it's yours it shows in the text field as an edit operation, if it's someone elses it shows as the beginning of a reply, and you can keep hitting up to go to other messages

Popular Demand

@shog9 I thought about that before and I can't remember why I disliked it. I'd just have it go up one message per keypress, though; maybe somehow highlight the one you're on. If it's your own, it'll allow edit; if not, it'll be a reply.

Michael Mrozek

It could highlight just like editing does now

Shog9

I'm thinking about it in terms of common use: normally, you're responding to a message that was just left. Slap the arrow and it fills in the post #, now take your time to respond

@populardemand yeah, that might work. Would also provide kb support for editing more than just the last reply that way...

Michael Mrozek

That's a good point, it's not like you're going to be hitting up 30 times; it's going to be one or two times generally

Stefano Borini

@michaelmrozek test

Michael Mrozek

6:12 PM

Test successful?

Stefano Borini

kinda

mh

again test

so every message has an ID associated, but it's not local to the room... or is it ?

it is global

balpha

no, that's global

Stefano Borini

check the permalink

won't this skyrocket very soon ?

George Marian

@stefanoborini It's just a number.

Popular Demand

Global, but with no cross-room replies:

in The Tavern (General), 35 secs ago, by Popular Demand

:91779 It's global (test).

Stefano Borini

6:17 PM

ok

Popular Demand

How are the starred messages on the right-hand side ordered?

Seems kinda random to me.

George Marian

@populardemand Yah, pretty much.

Michael Mrozek

Ooo, when did the "rejoin all" button show up on the favorites tab? I'm a fan

Stefano Borini

i'll be back

(said with austrian accent, clearly)

George Marian

BTW, the star formatting, in the list, is hosed again on my end. But only in this room.

Popular Demand

6:20 PM

Hm, whenever I click my bouncy icon to calm it down, my username gets highlighted in yellow. But it's always the first mention of me on the visible portion of the page, never the mention that caused the bouncing in the first place.

@GeorgeMarian no-repro on my end

balpha

@george we had a css change recently

Marc Gravell

[ignore this post, I need to check server config]

balpha

you probably have old css, but new data

George Marian

@balpha This occurred last night as well, and it wasn't just for me.

I have a feeling it has something to with my starring a message.

balpha

this happens to everyone

Marc Gravell

6:22 PM

There is a glitch there...

if you cancel the bouncing via posting or [esc], it still keeps the cached handler in the "click"

balpha

when the server gives you new-html for that list, but you still have the old css (because the page isn't reloaded), it just has to look weird

Marc Gravell

I blame @balpha ;p

Shog9

eh, Marc, whaddaya think of this?

13 mins ago, by Popular Demand

@shog9 I thought about that before and I can't remember why I disliked it. I'd just have it go up one message per keypress, though; maybe somehow highlight the one you're on. If it's your own, it'll allow edit; if not, it'll be a reply.

balpha

@marcgravell yeah, that bug is in the list already

it's @marc 's fault

Diago

Ok, either I can read right, or I don't understand where to look. What is the quickest way to switch rooms if not running multiple tabs?

Shog9

6:23 PM

@diago open multiple tabs, then Ctrl+Tab

balpha

click the room, click "switch to that room"

George Marian

@balpha So, this change was recent? Why don't I see the same issue in another chat room?

Diago

@Shog9 Exactly what I am trying to avoid

@balpha I had hoped for a one click switch :( But that works too

Shog9

@diago don't fight it, just give in and try to enjoy it...

balpha

@diago it was a one click switch until recently

Diago

6:24 PM

@Shog9 I know. But with 20+ tabs open it gets dodgy.

balpha

Jeff wanted a menu on click

Shog9

@diago so open a new window...

@balpha jeff hates usability!

Diago

@balpha Darn it

Sometimes that man....... whistles

Marc Gravell

/me is wishing "catch up" was working so I could... catch up.

Diago

@Shog9 You win :( Again.

Marc Gravell

6:26 PM

@MichaelMrozek - "rejoin all" is from a few days ago. Saturday, I think.

Shog9

@marcgravell there's a proposal for activity histograms, and a proposal for keyboard-based replies. And a lot of noise. There! Caught up!

balpha

catchup should work in a sec

Marc Gravell

yes, I saw the histograms.

Michael Mrozek

@Marc Really? I completely missed it today when I connected

balpha

works now

Marc Gravell

6:27 PM

actually, Jeff wanted something similar to plot room activity; except... he seems to want html tables. I have no idea why.

balpha

also fixed: search and recent

Shog9

@marcgravell kickin' it old skool

Diago

He's probably trying to keep things simple?

Marc Gravell

@chacha102 fixed

Shog9

can't get much simpler than a Google Charts chart... Big URL, small download, no server load...

Marc Gravell

6:29 PM

yes, that is what I already use for daily stats

so hourly stats shouldn't be much different - except no accumulator

Shog9

(and, hopefully, a meaningful X-axis label)

Marc Gravell

meh; this is meta - it has no meaning

George Marian

@balpha Hurray...I can search for celtus. ;)

Shog9

celtus: Irish KITTEH!

Popular Demand

I just tried to TAB-autocomplete someone's username in a reply on MSO. This is going to be annoying.

Diago

6:34 PM

@PopularDemand You and me both

Marc Gravell

@PopularDemand - indeed; I always try to submit comments with [ret], then wonder why it didn't go anywhere.

Chacha102

@MarcGravell WHAT DO YOU WANT FROM ME!?!?!?!

Marc Gravell

you were griping; I am the anti-gripe

Chacha102

Nice

I just saw the relocate feature

Marc Gravell

1 hour ago, by Chacha102

@MarcGravell Get your links right... GOSH!!! (The message when a mod moves messages links to chat.stackoverflow not chat.meta.stackoverflow)

Chacha102

6:44 PM

It isn't only for Mods though

Room Owner's too

Marc Gravell

hmmm... is it?

Chacha102

I have the menu...

Marc Gravell

I might need to check that the server agrees with the client ;p

It makes sense to be owner, though

hmmm... [ModeratorOnly]; strike that for now...

Chacha102

?

test message to feedback

Ok, I can do everything except actually move it

I get all the popups, the selects, just not the actual movement

Marc Gravell

do you get the "relocate" button?

Chacha102

6:47 PM

Yes

Marc Gravell

bug ;p

either it shouldn't be there, or it should work

Chacha102

Once I enter the number for the chat room, it seems like it would work, but it doesn't

Marc Gravell

yes; currently that route is marked mod-only. I'll have a look at that. The underlying problem is: what access do you need in the other (target) room? read-write? owner?

perhaps read-write is enough

Chacha102

I would think Read-write

Owner would make it almost unusable except for mods

Read-write makes sense because you are allowed to post messages in another room

Marc Gravell

yes, but you're essentially acting as a message proxy ;p

(or could be, if abused)

Chacha102

6:50 PM

Maybe put a rep parameter on it?

5k reputation?