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Spevacus

12:01 AM

Excuses ;)

Ann Zen

@Spevacus Is it a well-known term around here?

Spevacus

I mean it's just the word "excuses". It doesn't really have any other connotations.

Ann Zen

Like ranting?

Ollie

12:21 AM

Evening.

Ann Zen

@Ollie o/

Ollie

Why are there answered questions in the "Unanswered Questions" list?

Ann Zen

Because the "Answered Questions" list lists answered questions.

Ollie

@AnnZen I can't believe I did that. Updated.

More coffee, I guess :)

Ann Zen

the "Unanswered Questions" list lists questions with no accepted or upvoted answers.

Ollie

12:31 AM

@AnnZen, yeah, but why answered questions at all?

Aren't they supposed to be Unanswered?

Ann Zen

it's not like a random user gives a horrible answer, and the question gets lost into the Answered category, right?

Ollie

Hmmm...

Night.

Feeds

12:49 AM

I like trying to make it as hard as possible. "I'd love to meet up, maybe in a few days? Next week is looking pretty empty. *witchcraft"

Catija

I'm gonna eat a 3 am on the couch at pizza.

Rubiksmoose

XD

Spevacus

I'm gonna pizza a couch on the eat at 3AM

Ann Zen

Do ROs see removed messages?

Spevacus

1:04 AM

@AnnZen Moderators can for sure, Room Owners... There's an answer here by balpha who worked for SE during this time. The answer is Yes... buuuut... the way to do so is hacky and designed to not be easy to do.

Ann Zen

However, unless the message's (removed) stub is right there visible in the chat room, isn't that always the case?

Rob

It's 3AM just watched Couch, now I'm gonna eat and listen to Pizza by Horse with Dawn.

... and there's also the history.

LinkBerest

1:55 AM

If you've self deleted it - then not too much can be done. The only people who could see it prior to deletion are room owners and they'd have to know where to look for it as the (removed) placeholder won't appear in the transcript and you can only load so many older messages to see that when in the room. Unless you posted your credit card number or social security details etc... I wouldn't worry about it. — Jon Clements ♦ Jul 10 '17 at 17:28

^ removed doesn't show up in transcript. Also, an employee could likely "perma-delete" something but I've never heard of this happening

Ann Zen

oh

LinkBerest

take that back actually - I remember a meta question which asked for "sensitive" information to be removed. So Employee or Mod could definitely perma-delete a chat message with PII or something (if flagged/email sent) - but its far from the norm

Journeyman Geek

@LinkBerest we can do it very carefully.

(edit, wipe edit history, THEN delete)

which might still store it in the db, IDK

Ann Zen

2:25 AM

@JourneymanGeek With your Super User skills, do you think gaining rep on SO would be really easy for you?

Journeyman Geek

No

I don't code. And it dosen't particularly interest me for most part :D

Ann Zen

your loss

Journeyman Geek

Not really. I am not a fan of "everyone needs to code", and feel its a result of developer hubris :D

Ann Zen

"everyone needs to code"? Is that a famous term?

Journeyman Geek

maybe

Its more an attitude

the other aspects of computing interest me more though

LinkBerest

2:36 AM

@JourneymanGeek yeah, might take Dev to truly "delete" it (internet archives, user screenshots, and other such realities of the internet not withstanding)

Rob

@JourneymanGeek In England, since 2014, learning to code starts at age 5. 🙀

Sonic the Masked Werehog

50

A: A guide to moderating chat

What tools are available to moderators? Moderators are our human exception handlers and will get involved when users and room owners can’t handle a situation on their own. If flags are raised or they are notified of something, then a moderator will step in to investigate and resolve the problem....

(see "Mod tools - purge history")

LinkBerest

@JourneymanGeek I am having trouble remembering any IT job where I didn't at least need scripting ;) :P

Journeyman Geek

@LinkBerest Oh I do a bit of hobbyist scripting

But but

It should be a thing people do cause they want/need to

LinkBerest

I think everyone should learn math and logic and programming is a great way of teaching the second (applicable skill) - there are certainly other ways though :)

Journeyman Geek

2:41 AM

Which is fine too :D

I just don't consider that to be something everyone absolutely needs to do :D

(But anyone who wants to should have the opportunity to)

so... there's no real, compelling reason for me to be on SO... yet

or to focus/worry about getting rep there

Rob

In India don't the students have to learn Hindi, English and the language of their province; and also should learn an additional language, such as French?

LinkBerest

eh, the bulk of my rep was on other sites (even though I program alot and have since '99) because I haven't seen myself as a programmer since 2003 so I wasn't making any comment on using SO

Journeyman Geek

which is true too :D

but my skills/interests don't directly reflect to SO

LinkBerest

^ sorry - typo (wasn't making a comment on SO)

I like Python and the Python room but only rarely use SO itself anymore (most of my questions requiring looking at source documents or repositories or what-have-you anymore)

Journeyman Geek

maybe if I got 10k on SF and wanted to go for the triple crown :D

LinkBerest

2:49 AM

SU, SF, SO...we need to come up with another "S" site

@AnnZen just a note - not everyone cares about gaining rep

Journeyman Geek

that too

Rob

Yup, I have some '10K crowns' just by getting 2K. :)

Journeyman Geek

looks at his meta rep. That was entirely unintended ;)

Ann Zen

@LinkBerest just a note - not everyone wants to be a moderator

LinkBerest

K....don't see how that applies to what was being said...but 'K

Ann Zen

2:53 AM

Oh, I thought we were naming facts...

LinkBerest

I always forget that you need 3k for SO though (its only 2k on a lot of other sites)

Ann Zen

that's cause SO is big

Rob

The beginning of each sentence was identical, and brought up without prior context.

LinkBerest

I understand why - I just forget a lot

@JourneymanGeek I remember (and I could be wrong here) you saying something similar about how you became a Meta Mod (that it was somewhat unintentional) :)

Journeyman Geek

@LinkBerest :D

Ann Zen

2:57 AM

@JourneymanGeek explanation?

Journeyman Geek

Indirectly I became a meta mod cause someone complained about me here

@AnnZen I focus on posting the best/most useful answers I can

LinkBerest

^^ yeah, that was it :)

Journeyman Geek

and not worry about how people react to them

Ann Zen

@JourneymanGeek how?

Journeyman Geek

@AnnZen I posted one answer. Then more answers. Then realised I could answer more questions and answered more and...

Ann Zen

2:59 AM

 ^ went overboard

Journeyman Geek

at some point It became a useful tool as a mod, since it let me share/dissiminate stuff I picked up..

@AnnZen maybe when I hit 100k :D

BUT

getting rep isn't my goal here.

or on SU

Admittedly with respect to meta my goals have changed

LinkBerest

@Rob wait! Your now a Tiger-man now?! what happened to the tiger in the marketplace? :)

Ann Zen

@LinkBerest you just noticed?

Rob

I retired ~18 months ago, at 20K Flair, but it's doubled since then from pension and knitting.

Journeyman Geek

from "influencing the community" to "influencing the direction of the network" to "I am NOT LETTING THEM BURN THIS PLACE DOWN" to "trying to keep people from trying to burn this place down again" to...

LinkBerest

3:03 AM

pictures are little and I don't look at profiles that often

@JourneymanGeek to having less moments of "This is fine."?

Journeyman Geek

@LinkBerest right now's an inflection point

things can go so bad that there's nothing left. or things can get better cause its pretty hard to get worse than it was :D

Rob

@LinkBerest Actually the white tiger face is the thing in common, on Space.SE I'm in an astronaut suit, on Monero.SE I'm in front of a Blockchain, etc.

Jul 18 at 2:43, by Rob

Announcement & Backstory: Avatar change on MSE

LinkBerest

also, its Rob - I stopped trying to make sense of Rob a long time ago :) ;)

Rob

There a meme for that! ;)

@LinkBerest Do you attend university with M.A.R.?

LinkBerest

@JourneymanGeek yeah, same, same - saw some work (enough for me to move from an F- to a D) so still here but I haven't moved too far from the exit cause I haven't seen enough (yet)

@Rob I teach at a University in Florida....I don't think M.A.R. goes to this one though (I mean he could - never really looked)

I was going to start a post-doc thing in Canada but covid stomped that flat (granted, have better postion here so not 100% bad that)

Rob

3:10 AM

@LinkBerest Seems associated:

2 days ago, by Rob

@M.A.R. I saw the advertisement for your university, good going getting in there:

LinkBerest

I followed that link but all I could see was Unicorn Sausage and it blinded me X-X

But then I just need to repeat what M.A.R said to make sense of that:

2 days ago, by M.A.R.

And then you have Rob, with his metalinguistically aware weird humor

Rob

@LinkBerest There's where the problem lies, you were traversing the transcript backwards:

LinkBerest

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Rob

Ideasthesia

Ideasthesia (alternative spelling ideaesthesia) was introduced by neuroscientist Danko Nikolić and is defined as a phenomenon in which activations of concepts (inducers) evoke perception-like experiences (concurrents). The name comes from the Ancient Greek ἰδέα (idéa) and αἴσθησις (aísthēsis), meaning "sensing concepts" or "sensing ideas". The main reason for introducing the notion of ideasthesia was the problems with synesthesia. While "synesthesia" means "union of senses", empirical evidence indicated that this was an incorrect explanation of a set of phenomena traditionally covered by this heading...

Like M.A.R.'s misuse of the word Metalinguistics.

LinkBerest

3:31 AM

^ the pictures in that article look really weird if your color-blind (also I thought M.A.R was doing that on purpose)

Rob

🐬

Ann Zen

🐬

LinkBerest