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Aibobot

11:00 AM

:/

John Dvorak

@Aza I agree. "Prove that you're entitled to feel the way you do" definitely isn't nice.

user206222

Hard to ignore when someone's trying to guide site policy -- and gaining lots of popular support while doing it.

user206222

It's not worth flagging, if I mention the word "microaggression" in this chat I know someone's gonna be immediately ticked off, and I don't wanna deal with being let down when a flag I raise isn't actioned.

Aibobot

and erf. Big things are easy

Gryphon

@Aza Yeah, that's the point at which you end the conversation. People are just being ridiculous.

Aibobot

11:00 AM

little things are hard and just as painful

Bart

@Aza may I suggest you file those people under "twerps not worth my time"? I know that's easier said than done, but you sure ain't going to convince them (as if you have to in the first place) and they are not worth your energy or anguish.

Aibobot

@Bart eh, not that easy

user206222

Y'all are just saying "ignore them," but I don't think y'all are listening. Ignoring them isn't how this works.

Aibobot

Sticks and stones and all that

Magisch

Just ignoring or flagging isn't really an option

user206222

11:01 AM

It's not sticks and stones, it's "site policies are set by the most vocal who gain active and popular support."

Magisch

flags on stuff like this will be declined regularly

user58

Ignoring them means letting them get their way in setting policies.

user384163

It's so pervasive. You can't ignore it.

Magisch

and if someone is using a misinterpretation to gather support to shape site policy, well, if you don't speak up you'll have to contend with "why didn't you speak up when we decided this" later

user206222

You don't realize the position we're in, when we see content like this. We have to fight it. It must be pushed back against. That's what we're embroiled in, when we walk into meta.

Magisch

11:02 AM

It's a lose-lose situation really

Aibobot

@Aza I'm embarassed to say - the policy on such things, least on one of my chats is I would be disappointed in anyone who does that kinda thing

Bart

@Aza that's a sad situation.

user206222

Whenever I declare something a lost cause, whenever I just pass something up, that's an insidiously toxic post staying up. A toxic post no one appears to recognize as such, even when it's popular.

Magisch

Or other people have made the same value determination you did then. Not worth eating the wrath of meta fighting for

user206222

I've done it a lot, this week. It's deeply saddening each time, knowing those people are gonna hurt someone else like me, and it was just a choice I had to make to devote my energy elsewhere.

user194636

11:04 AM

The only realistic way to prevent that is to actively moderate stuff before it posted.

Gryphon

I'm rather dismayed that those kind of posts aren't taken down when they're flagged.

Aibobot

@Magisch meh, its only imaginary internet points.

Magisch

its not

the wrath of meta is a lot more then downvotes and it wears you out hard

Bart

@Aibobot wrath does not equal downvotes I'd assume.

Aibobot

@Magisch meh, I'd do it

And my stand has always been that it's the polite thing to do

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