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user384163

12:00 AM

@JourneymanGeek You are a dog who has held his composure throughout all of this while others have not. I doubt I am the only one who noticed your calming presense over this last week.

12:20 AM

Anyone have a handy link to somewhere where the delete reason that goes something like "This does not answer the question – if you have a new question post it here" appears?

Like any comment from Review that has it.

Or if it's mentioned in a Meta post somewhere.

user194636

12:59 AM

Oh good another room with 500+ unread messages

Sonic the Anonymous Hedgehog

@JourneymanGeek Could you please clear the stars on chat.meta.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/7948962#7948962? Both of us have since signed the second letter on the website.

Journeyman Geek

Eh. I'm at work, on my phone

It can wait

Also can I clear stars as a RO?

Sonic the Anonymous Hedgehog

@JourneymanGeek Yes, I believe so

user194636

Yes, just not via the mobile interface

1:33 AM

0

Q: Can we have more explanatory auto-comments when voting to close from review?

Right now, the delete-reasons and accompanying auto-comments on the VLQ-queue are as follows. No comment needed This is commentary on another post, not an answer "This does not provide an answer to the question. To critique or request clarification from an author, leave a comment below...

feature-request review new-users low-quality-posts automatic-comments

@Stormblessed Thanks.

1 hour later…

2:52 AM

Apparently flags are not being handled on Writing, where there are no mods:

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Q: What are we supposed to do now about discipline issues?

Before the cluster-screw that was Stack Exchange wrongfully revoking Monica's mod status and the ensuing dozens of mods resigning/taking leaves of absence, we had some semblance of order and discipline on this site. I've now noticed that some users have resumed undesirable behavior that was on...

Journeyman Geek

@MonicaCellio I suspect that's part of the point of a mass quit >_>

@MonicaCellio I've gotta say, I don't think I've ever seen the term "cluster-screw" before. An inventive avoidance of profanity.

Journeyman Geek

Its going to take a while for stuff to... erm get sorted

Its was a bit of an epic dumpster fire. I'm still trying to calm down folks on my own site ><

Also, Hi!

Also... I'm sorry all this happened. erf

user473022

@Gryphon why thank you !

Journeyman Geek

I'm still decompressing all this ._.

user473022

2:58 AM

@MonicaCellio and yes, i don't believe any kind of disciplinary action is being handled on writing, though i admit i had stopped flagging because i didn't know that even without mods, things can be removed. but specific users have resumed being jerks.

@weakdna You're welcome! It's a pretty accurate and extremely concise summing up of the situation.

user384163

@weakdna flagging itself can be enough.

user473022

@bruglesco how so?

user384163

comments get removed automatically with enough flags

user384163

It doesn't require mods to act

3:01 AM

for an illustration of what a cluster-screw could be, look up images for "figurines made of screws"

Hey Monica, has SE.inc contacted you yet, as they stated they would in this newest (and much better) apology post?

user473022

@bruglesco ah! had no idea. thank u :)

user384163

Any particularly bad examples you can share?

Journeyman Geek

@MonicaCellio I might be able to post something about starting to get the process of getting mods back going. Question is - how do you feel about it?

@weakdna if you don't feel like you have enough flags for it to work, ask other friendly folks in your chat room to look at the message and flag if they feel it's appropriate

is there a limit to how many flags a normal user can raise per day?

user384163

3:03 AM

@user1306322 Writing chat is dead. That's why I invited them here

Journeyman Geek

@user1306322 50

ah ok then I guess maybe share the offending content here for others to flag and/or remove? I suppose it's better than having no moderator eyes on it in the meantime

or maybe better make a separate chat room where people can post bad stuff to flag from sites with no mods, so it doesn't appear here for all to see?

user473022

specifically ONE user: when cyn resigned and monica got kicked during the lovely cluster-screw, this user decided to make fun of monica publicly while the rest of us were "???? what do we do now ?????" and basically reeling from the loss of an incredible contributor, and then, shortly after, added back in an abusive and rude comment into one of his questions that monica (when she was a mod) removed

Journeyman Geek

@weakdna erf

I'd want a CM on that

@weakdna and did that get flagged into /dev/null?

user473022

@JourneymanGeek so sorry, but i am but a simple gal, and i know neither what a CM is, or what flagging into /dev/null is

3:09 AM

CMs are Community Managers, lower-level SE employees who's job is to, well, Manage Communities.

Journeyman Geek

@weakdna CM is a community manager

lol I was about to say that terminology might not be familiar to all but decided to wait and see :)

Journeyman Geek

/dev/null is... erm...

a place where the sun dosen't shine. Where bad things, and stuff to be lost goes ;p

we had a very hot Q about dev/null

Journeyman Geek

So - basically we need help to handle the user, but if you need the post handled, and we can R/A flag it, I'm sure it can be organised

3:10 AM

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Q: What is /dev/null and why can't I use hx on it?

I've been looking in /dev, and stumbled upon several files, including null. I wanted to see what was in the file, so I did hx null, but nothing happened and it gave the error File null is not a regular file. What is causing this message?

> /dev/null is basically a way to discard information.

user473022

the revision history is still there, if that's what's being asked (?). the post actually got locked and then unlocked, and THEN the user reinstated said abusive language after monica got blackballed.

user384163

@weakdna can you link to the post in question

user473022

writing.stackexchange.com/questions/46139/… here's the question, with revision history writing.stackexchange.com/posts/46139/revisions

user473022

not trying to put this user on blast. user actually did a month long stint in suspension after repeatedly harassing me, of course.

user473022

i re-flagged the post as "abusive" because i didn't know how else to draw attention to the problem

Journeyman Geek

3:15 AM

eep

Ya, this needs wiser heads than mine

user384163

ya. I can edit the post but without a lock the user will just revert

user473022

i've been a community member for less than a year so i really don't know how to handle the situation or even how to draw attention to it

@JourneymanGeek well yeah, and most flags can just sit while things burn down or whatever, but I feel bad that rude/abusive stuff gets to linger. @weakdna has been targeted by someone in the past and I don't know who if anybody from SE is minding the store.

user384163

R/A will just delete it no?

do posts ever lock themselves automatically into a "content dispute" mode if too many edit reverts occur?

3:17 AM

@MonicaCellio Hey Monica, has SE contacted you yet, as they said they would in their most recent apology?

Journeyman Geek

@MonicaCellio I wouldn't be surpised if people just collapsed from exhaustion at this point at SE

I'll pop some semi back channel enquiries ;p

user473022

@user1306322 i think that's what happened with the question linked, but just once

@JourneymanGeek it'll take a while. I hope David et al will contact me soon and start that conversation. There are other problems too, many of them, but that's the most pressing one to me right now. Talk to me, undo the bad decision (reset to where things were before they messed up), and then we can have a proper conversation about outstanding issues.

Journeyman Geek

@MonicaCellio its a start

(Also, I do hope they do something to retract the extant defamation.)

Journeyman Geek

3:18 AM

I do too ><

Ditto o/

@weakdna actually Monica locked it manually and then the "Community" user unlocked it for some reason, I think maybe it was due to moderator status being removed and any current locks got relinquished?

@Gryphon not yet.

user384163

I think locks time out

Journeyman Geek

@MonicaCellio Honestly, I actually think that the register would be happy to update their article if SE went "we messed up"

user384163

3:20 AM

Hello Monica :]

Journeyman Geek

They hate IT companies, not people

oh it was 24 hours, do content dispute locks only last for a day?

Journeyman Geek

you can set them for time

didn't know that

@JourneymanGeek personally, I think we're blocked on SE contacting me. I doubt any of Writing's former mods will come back without them making things right with me first. But I figured if I mentioned the problem in here, maybe a passing CM would take a look at flags there.

I mean, the apology is great, but people need to see actions.

Journeyman Geek

3:21 AM

@MonicaCellio more broadly

You do realise a lot of mods are on strike or resigned right?

I might at least take a few more weeks off. I feel like Zathrus at this point.

@weakdna oh joy. I didn't see that. Since I can't do anything about it right now I'm glad (it'd just be annoying without the ability to act). When I'm back, assuming I'm back, I can do something, but in the meantime... ugh.

Journeyman Geek

And yeah, its a start.

some have posited that the company cannot go back to the newspaper to issue a correction and apology because that would be something like legally admitting a kind of wrongdoing which would put them to more risk in court should a case arise

Journeyman Geek

@MonicaCellio I've dropped a link where people can see it.

@user1306322 its the register

eh

Also a significant part of the apology is already public

I mean the article's gonna linger in the search results in its current state, and the apology posted here has no mention of specifically disavowing the info given to the newspaper... which one is the general public more likely to see on google?

3:26 AM

@user1306322 it was probably a temporary lock. Mods can lock things forever, but that's usually not the state we want to leave things in. If there's a content dispute, locking for a day or a week is usually enough to calm things down.

Journeyman Geek

@user1306322 that's something for Monica to decide

@JourneymanGeek I don't actually know them (other than that article). I hope Sara et al can push out a retraction that's at least as prominent as the original.

@JourneymanGeek yes.

I'm just bringing attention to this because I haven't seen this issue mentioned elsewhere (I've maybe seen 70% of everything, maybe it was somewhere in the remaining 30)

@user1306322 well, we'll see what they say when we have that discussion, I guess. It seems to non-lawyer professional-writer me that there are ways to say that something was erroneous without accepting blame. When this first started I was willing to help them save face and assume a misunderstanding. That probably doesn't work this far in, though.

@JourneymanGeek the apology is, but they haven't retracted their accusations against me.

Journeyman Geek

@MonicaCellio hmm

So, the register is basically a tabloid

3:30 AM

Ah.

Never heard of it before this, I don't think.

Journeyman Geek

They post sensationalist stuff about IT companies

including my employer. XD

So its roughly the equivilent of an article in say, I donno

the daily enquirer

but slightly more factual

I honestly have no respect for any news site these days anymore

Ah, ok. But it also spread to Reddit, Hacker News, Slashdot, and I don't know where else. Those threads at least need to get updates.

Journeyman Geek

ooh, that's hard

Anyway, I have to go now. With luck things start to get closer to normal soon and I'll be back. I hope.

3:32 AM

Without wanting to intrude too much into the discussion - thanks @weakdna, we rolled back the edit and locked the question

Journeyman Geek

And I forgot about those

erf

Most of those would pick up the apology eventually I think

@MonicaCellio I've been on the lookout and those are the places I saw too. I'd keep an eye on TechCrunch maybe... hope they don't step into this now that things seem to be winding down

Journeyman Geek

cough If stuff get sorted out, I might actually know a few of the people who posted those things in good intent. If its someone whose username's off here, and I can have a quiet word, I will.

@Emilie the ideal would be folks picking up that a mistake was made

It would make SE look bad, I suppose but meh

It was only by pure dumb luck that I saw the apology on Meta. It's a start. Finally.

Journeyman Geek

@JaneS I saw it off twitter ;p

Actually one of the CMs

(oh, the irony)

3:35 AM

@JourneymanGeek I was thinking that :)

Journeyman Geek

THe twitterness

I like the community team folks here for most part.

Other than Shog. He shames me by being persistently correct.

@JourneymanGeek yeah... I think I've lost that sort of hope, thanks for reminding me it's a possibility :)

Anyway, me being the completely apolitical beast that I am, I said my bit now, I will keep an eye on what happens from here. I am encouraged for the first time since this whole thing started.

Journeyman Geek

lol. I'm from tired worn out to slightly happy worn out

falls over

Its a start

Yes. But more is needed. A lot more. Trust is easy to break, hard to rebuild.

Journeyman Geek

3:38 AM

Oh and a lot of work even then

@JourneymanGeek I literally see a dog falling over in my mind. You are a dog, right?

Journeyman Geek

@Emilie woof

@JourneymanGeek thought so :)

Journeyman Geek

In the most dramatic fashion

@Emilie Yeah, with a nice little wumph as he hits the ground.

3:40 AM

Facebook added a creepy/funny dog filter in its camera settings

Or should that be "as they hit the ground". I guess I have to toe the company line now.

It adds a dog on your head as if it were a hat, and the dog mimics your own facial expressions...with normal human teeth

It's slightly disturbing

I considered changing my avatar for a second

Oh yay, my completely non-satirical Worldbuilding.SE post unrelated to the whole thing got an upvote.

@Gryphon that's a bomb avatar btw

Journeyman Geek

lol

3:43 AM

@user1306322 Thanks. It's the real deal too, no html editing or image manipulation involved. I wasted half an hour waiting to get the screen capture.

Journeyman Geek

0_0

ah, I would have just F12'd the number :p

@user1306322 I considered it, but wanted my judgement of SE to be authentic.

Journeyman Geek

lol

It was originally -1001 (I missed -1000), and I think I'll switch it again when we hit -1500.

Journeyman Geek

3:45 AM

Eh

I think the message has been sent

We only need a couple hundred more downvotes! We can do it, community!

Journeyman Geek

What's the point? We're just twisting the knife :/

The goal here is to do right by one of our own and the community. Punishing folks is never how we have done things.

@JourneymanGeek Sometimes it's satisfying to twist the knife, OK.

Journeyman Geek

I think folks learnt a lesson here

I'd like to see the day Sara hits 10k ;p

The whole point of SE as it should work is we learn and grow together.

@JourneymanGeek So would I. Mostly because that'd mean SE had done a bunch of stuff we approved of.

Journeyman Geek

3:48 AM

The point is made. We need to focus on fixing the damage.

We've had folks who have done heroic amounts of work behind the scene organising mods

The statement by the mods was ... well those folks made me cry for the best reasons a few times this week. Lets add that.

@Gryphon if everyone keeps twisting knives, this thing will never end.

Journeyman Geek

We need to focus on getting folks on the right path. Work out where we've failed those around us. (I almost said brothers and sisters, but there's folks who're neither we love too)

user206222

It's tempting to see the number go down. It's tempting to see vivid outrage before you, numerical proof of collective anger. It's very validating, and... it slows healing. It's like scratching a mosquito bite until it's bleeding and blistering. Patience and care come next.

Journeyman Geek

da

@Aza I really like #3 on your list of questions

I was going to reply but the thread was a bit old

user206222

3:55 AM

Oh, hey, thanks! I figured the question would just drop into a slew of recent noise.

My own explanation to why it may be a contentious issue is my experience of questions on the election questionnaire is that they're hard :)

But I agree the default questions are fairly straightforward

user384163

@Aza It probably did, unfortunately. But I like the idea. Maybe when all the new elections come we users can try to remember and reference your post when we add questions to the community generated questionaire

is there any public info about why Jeremy Banks has a 5 year suspension?

@Aza the harder Qs were always the ones coming from my own community members, grounded in some insoluble issues we've faced for a loooong time

Journeyman Geek

@user1306322 no

We do not discuss suspensions

3:57 AM

ok

Journeyman Geek

That is precisely the sort of thing that got us into this mess

2

user206222

Yeah, that makes sense. I think some part of it is just, SE (users, mods, management) is deeply protective of its systems. I'm not sure where it comes from, but I find that often people don't like to entertain open discussions about deep alterations to the system.

Journeyman Geek

@Aza a lot of it works. Same reason we kinda didn't have any work done for about 4 years

and sometimes we need a kick in the pants to actually get things moving

Well or personally preferred garment of that nature.

user206222

Yeah, I get that impulse, I think.

Journeyman Geek

and well

software is 'clean'

its a lot harder to process things with people

4:02 AM

Software isn't always clean.

People design software. Dirty, dirty people. They rub off on it.

Journeyman Geek

....

Which totally explains my current job, true

Medical data formats are a good example

By people, for machines, about people

Result: no one can read them properly, human or machine

Journeyman Geek

hah

I can relate but I'm pretty sure I can't talk about why here ;p

some people are a bit miffed that the latest apology post looks like it's been tailored to most of the points in the Dear SE letter, but they're basically doing what everyone wanted them to do, and the response has basically been drafted by the community for them, so idk what's not to like

Journeyman Geek

Also. I literally have an actual convinience store at my new location

4:06 AM

if only they also did most of the things people asked them to do lately, that'd be ideal

Journeyman Geek

Well, eh, yes and no

user206222

(Thought: Meta also doesn't like Imperfect Things. I've gotta come with a whole, complete unit, ready for final consideration and Voting By The People. That's... its own pathology, but hey.)

Journeyman Geek

I'm sure there's a few initially unpopular things that worked well

@Aza Meta is a mob

But they also occationally have wisdom

On the other hand, if you can get the folks there to agree on something, its glorious

@Aza Sorry, I had a taste of misusing meta a while (years) ago. It's not a nice feeling haha

Journeyman Geek

@Emilie I ended up here cause someone tried to slag me off on meta for a mod decision

It looked.. bad

4:08 AM

ye this is why I prefer raising small issues in chat rather than post on meta, coz if it's not drafted as one of the better posts, even if the feature request is itself good, it's gonna get buried

:S

user206222

@user1306322 Yes and no, "people" is always gonna be messy, I think. Lotsa worrying things can happen if we just say, "listen to the People"

Journeyman Geek

so... erm... I used my reasonably good powers of mild snark and persuasion and wrote a post I was proud of. So they looked bad

Then a CM deleted it, and I needed 10k to see it cause the rules were different then....

So....

yup

user206222

@JourneymanGeek Hard, because Meta has a very strong sense of starae decisis. Someone proposing an idea poorly once can bar that exact idea from being proposed as-is, even if the idea itself is good (with a little refinement). At least for a long time.

Journeyman Geek

I totally ended up a mod here cause someone tried to misuse meta

@Aza .... can you translate that latin to english to me please?

4:09 AM

I made the mistake of thinking the feature-request tag was ok for discussion, let's say some sense for hammered into me real quick

Journeyman Geek

I'm a bit brainfried. Its been a long few weeks

ah

lemme let you in on a secret

@Emilie recently or some time ago?

Journeyman Geek

I don't get how tags work

user206222

@JourneymanGeek Sure, starae decisis is a legal term. It refers to the idea that, if we have made a decision, we have to let that decision stand until something changes in the circumstances. No one can challenge it. Even if the original decision was made because someone did a very poor job presenting it.

Journeyman Geek

I'm horrible at them

4:10 AM

And I hadn't posted on meta in a long time. The mood was different.

Journeyman Geek

@Aza ah!

@JourneymanGeek you put discussion because it's one of the required ones, and then let the more experienced users edit the tags

Journeyman Geek

@Aza I suppose. In theory, though you could use the poor presentation as a basis or...

user206222

It's used by court systems in many places in the world to prevent repeatedly challenging the same law, over and over.

@user1306322 it's been a long time, I'm on mobile so don't care about digging in my user history

Journeyman Geek

4:11 AM

@user1306322 but some are FRs

actually

MOST of what I post are FRs

user206222

@JourneymanGeek You can do that, but you have to have a very good argument before Meta listens, in my experience. And even then, you won't get quiiite as much support.

I mean all meta posts are discussions, a FR is a subset of them

user206222

In some people's eyes, linking the "duplicate" just makes their CV job easier.

I wanted to be able to leave a comment when voting to reopen. But what I hadn't realized is that we just had a pretty bad closing problem

Journeyman Geek

@Aza well, I've actually asked folks to be a little more linient there

however that word is spelled

4:13 AM

@JourneymanGeek to be serious for a moment, do you mean only the required tags on meta or just in general?

Journeyman Geek

and as cynical as it seems

meta is politival

@user1306322 at all

user206222

That's super super reasonable, and appreciated, honestly. And yeah, it's so much politics.

Journeyman Geek

I'm on meta to get influence and cause change

and you're all outta change?

Journeyman Geek

I use that influence to strengthen my stand

4:14 AM

dat Jojo stand? >.<

Journeyman Geek

@user1306322 I'm out of gas. But that's fixable.

@user1306322 To quote one of my favourite TV shows...

(it's confusing how some countries mean benzene by "gas")

Journeyman Geek

"You have a face people trust!" "I'd rather have a face people fear!"

You work at both. I'd rather people trust me though.

@user1306322 I have an idea of what this place should be

If folks believe in it, it happens

normally I add a comment stating that idk about the tags I chose and pls someone edit them as needed, and then delete it when someone has edited them

Journeyman Geek

@user1306322 well or add or or two appropriate ones and let folks go to town

that still dosen't mean I totally get what they or for, or what's appropriate

It is a bit like its and it's

I don't get how that works either ;p

4:17 AM

I feel like people who know about tags a lot are a dedicated group of power users, like wikipedia editors are not like any other editor of online media

Journeyman Geek

And that's fine

maybe, idk

that's the problem

@JourneymanGeek Try replacing it with "it is". If it still makes sense, it should be "it's". If it doesn't, it should be "its".

Journeyman Geek

@Gryphon also people fix it

I'm sure there's folks who hit the suggested edit rep bonus cap cause of me

tags are supposed to be for normal people who should understand them and make use of them, but if most users have trouble understanding them, then it's usefulness is limited to just that small percentage of userbase

4:19 AM

@JourneymanGeek I feel like about 50% of the trivial grammar edits on WB are me. Because that kind of stuff just bugs me. And yes, I hit the suggested edit rep bonus cap on WB.

Journeyman Geek

@user1306322 the point of a tag is supposedly to make things easier to find

they aid search

But, well, I'm not good at them

Sonic the Anonymous Hedgehog

And also to allow users to follow them

Journeyman Geek

and if you're making the effort - help people to help you

its ok. We're in this together

I once added or edited like 50% of tag descriptions on a site where nobody edits tag descriptions I think, and it's just how I left it several years ago still, so maybe someone occasionally finds my work? idk if it's been useful to anyone, there's no stats on that

Journeyman Geek

45 mins ago, by Journeyman Geek

Other than Shog. He shames me by being persistently correct.

I see what you did there ;p

4:21 AM

not shames, he guides us through this dark existence

Journeyman Geek

@Gryphon amusingly... I predate that on at least one of my sites (I hit 3k before that was a thing)

@user1306322 see edit history ;p

@JourneymanGeek I believe I am currently in ninth place for total edits on Worldbuilding.

the real troublemakers are those who have been visibly absent, but their work has resulted in our tamer present and a brighter future

(cue the futurama god-constellation quote)

Journeyman Geek

@user1306322 we need troublemakers sometimes

folks willing to ask the impertinent questions everyone's scared to.

who knows maybe this mess will get me back to my site for a couple more edits of the content in need...

Journeyman Geek

4:26 AM

Go do that then ;p

Meta's mostly pointless anyway XD

well, definitely not today

my regards to the folks who kept vigil this weekend, but sleep's gotsta be had ~.~

Journeyman Geek

snort

Its internet drama. How can you sleep? ;p

@JourneymanGeek Should be "It's".

Journeyman Geek

@Gryphon alas, I can't edit it

I hope it doesn't bother you too much D:

@JourneymanGeek But you're a room owner, don't you have superpowers or something?

Journeyman Geek

4:32 AM

Nope

I'd need to be a mod

@JourneymanGeek Also, you aren't allowed to do that. James isn't here.

Journeyman Geek

I haven't quite gotten around to asking for that diamond back

Sonic the Anonymous Hedgehog

@JourneymanGeek You're planning to request reinstatement later?

Journeyman Geek

@SonictheAnonymousHedgehog I have some stuff to work through first

There's no rush right? Not like people are clamoring for me to come back or anything

There's still a few things I need to do

But yeah - If I feel the hammer is no longer too heavy, I'll pick it up ;)

@JourneymanGeek You can always back off a little. If the hammer feels a bit too heavy after you pick it back up, feel free to put it down for a day or two and then come back. Don't worry, the site (probably) won't burn itself down in the meantime (despite what recent events may suggest).

Journeyman Geek

4:42 AM

@Gryphon Funny thing is

I was going to take a break

and I nearly kinda just burnt out a few times

So, well

Ever watched the film run fat boy run?

I feel like that guy XD

It probably won't

and I think the CM team (and hopefully the mods we have left) have a handle on it

they're all good folks

user194636

5:05 AM

For many of us, not enough has changed yet. If people undo what they did on the basis of a few words, what to do when SE fail to follow through with actions?

user194636

Diamonds aren't meant to flash on and off like light bulbs.

Journeyman Geek

@PaulWhite That's part of the work that needs to be done

And well

my decision has less to do with SE (the company) than, well

people and the community

it looks like a ton of comments were moved or removed from the answers on this question. how can one see a paper trail or otherwise get an understanding of where they went?

Journeyman Geek

uhm

You would need a mod

user194636

@JourneymanGeek I don't understand that reply in the context of the message it links to?

Journeyman Geek

5:09 AM

@PaulWhite Well if we're talking about folks asking for the moderator roles back

in the context of @SonictheAnonymousHedgehog asking ;p

user194636

You're really hard for me to follow sometimes.

Journeyman Geek

Yeah, that happens a lot

my mind tends to run in 4 directions at once ;p

user194636

@JourneymanGeek Ok well to help me out then, what does "That's part of the work that needs to be done" refer to? What's the "that" there?

He is a dog after all. You have to take that into account.

user194636

Because at the moment it links to "diamonds aren't meant to flash"

user194636

5:15 AM

@Gryphon I am not a dog person 😋

user194636

😻 (cat with heart eyes)

Journeyman Geek

5:30 AM

@PaulWhite Well - On SE's end, showing actions that show that they're trying to fix things

On our end, well, hopefully trying to get a framework in place so we don't have crisis like this again

user194636

nvm lol

Journeyman Geek

...

Its been a long few weeks

XD

So if I don't make sense, its just probably less painful to ignore me XD

5:56 AM

ignore user everywhere

user351483

6:09 AM

Wow. What a statement to wake up to.

I was ruminating about how we weren't going to get one yesterday a minute or so before it was posted.

Journeyman Geek

@Snow roughly my reaction XD

user351483

It's done a lot to clear the air. Right tone, right content for me.

user351483

And I'm concerned that people might be tempted to edit it. Sara's posts should never have been edited IMO.

Journeyman Geek

@Snow not much we can do unfortunately

Locking prevents answers and voting IIRC?

user351483

6:18 AM

I know. This is where you'd like custom post notices.

@Snow will be implemented in 6 - 8 weeks

Journeyman Geek

@IanKemp oh

user206222

It appears to be okay, it's been a while and no one's tried to make any substantive changes.

Journeyman Geek

I think its technically there

user194636

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Q: Make locking posts more granular

Locking a post has very severe consequences for a post, you cannot Upvote or downvote on it Edit it Vote to close or reopen it Comment on it Add new answers to it Because of these severe consequences I usually avoid locking altogether and try to deal with the problem in other ways. Locking ju...

feature-request moderator-tools locked-questions

user351483

6:19 AM

Or for an option for staff/CM to disallow edits.

@JourneymanGeek (joking in case you didn't know)

Journeyman Geek

@Snow ah. uhm... that won't go well ;p

user351483

In any event, I'm feeling more positive now. It remains to be seen what the other moderators feel and how deep their wounds are. For myself, this is a good start.

@Snow Are you Mr. Positive now?

:p

Journeyman Geek

No, Mr Positive is Mr Positive....

;p

user351483

6:25 AM

@Magisch "feeling more positive" now sounds utterly wrong. Thanks for that image... 😋

I aim to pun

Journeyman Geek

@Snow there was this visual/verbal gag in animaniacs...

6:38 AM

!!/coffee

@user58 brews a cup of Latte for @user58

*sips*

...very tired, so coffee time.

ah caffeine, the most used drug in the entire world

Poisonous to most things.

except somehow, humans

unless in really high doses

user206222

6:44 AM

"average person drinks 4 coffee per day" factoid actualy just statistical error. average person drinks 0 coffee per day. Coffee Georg, who lives in cave & drinks over 10,000 cups each day, is an outlier adn should not have been counted

user351483

I pretty much drink one every 30-45 minutes. I don't really let my mug get cold.

In today's episode of Things to Be Marginalized About on the Internet, we bring you ... coffee drinking!

@Snow That cannot be healthy.

I don't like coffee but I do like caffeine on occasion

Nothing ever is healthy.

Everything That Will Kill You... From A to Z

6:57 AM

It really does become pretty depressing when you get into what foods are ideal and you realize it's either a bunch of extra effort or really bland to micromanage your nutrition

user351483

@Gryphon It stops me snacking so much.

user206222

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