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7:01 AM

How much sugar goes in each cup?

I remember to have read somewhere that caffeine overuse builds a tolerance and isn't actually that damaging overall

In fact, long term consistent caffeine use is correlated with reduced risk of Alzheimers, Type 2 Diabetes and Liver Chirrhosis

user351483

@rene Me? None. No sugar no milk.

Feeds

... tazer ... fire extinguisher ... bird feeder ... toilet paper ...

user58

@Magisch Happen to have a link? I'd be interested in reading that.

user351483

@Feeds What? How? Why?

Gryphon

7:12 AM

@Feeds Uhm, I think we're right about up to car key. Everything below that, very no.

user206222

@Feeds Steering wheel eventually but I'm otherwise extremely confused by this

user206222

tho we likely won't have steering wheels by then so

Magisch

@user58 The gist is here for instance: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caffeine#Risk_of_other_diseases

chx

if there is one thing we know about nutrition is that everything we claim to know does not apply to everyone

user351483

I wouldn't be without my Kindle. Except I forgot it today.

chx

7:15 AM

the whole nutrition "science" is completely fake , unscientific and quite frankly, ridiculous. Consider how many of these things we are told are good or bad for you, regardless of genetic composition and early life effects. That just can't be right.

anyways, I just saw the nutrition discussion and i am so pissed about all that

user58

@Snow My Kindle's been awesome, until it started randomly skipping ahead several pages at a time every few minutes. And Amazon doesn't support them any more. :(

Shadow

@JourneymanGeek this whole saga is a bunch of mistakes, I'd say dozens, probably more. So yeah, each action they did was a mistake.... until David stepped in and made the first non-mistake action.

user58

@Magisch Thanks, I'll look through that soon.

Journeyman Geek

@Shadow well, it was

But here's kinda the thing

someone took the effort to try to get folks on the right path

Magisch

Angus' post and Art's letter raise a very important point

Journeyman Geek

7:25 AM

David admits he agreed with this too

Magisch

monica has her real name as profile name, and now the first google result you get is an article where SE gives a press statement how they fired her for transphobia

not sure if they can fix this somehow but it's a rather drastic consequence

John Dvorak

Micromanaging food is good for you. Not because it makes you eat the right thing. That is impossible. It is good for you because it makes your mind occupied and away from the inevitable self-inflicted demise of the mankind.

Journeyman Geek

lol

Gryphon

@JohnDvorak Congrats on writing the most nihilistic thing I've seen or heard today.

user58

@JohnDvorak Thanks, Mr. Cheerful.

Shadow

7:27 AM

@Magisch Well if she use her real name, that's her "fault", can't blame SE for that.

Magisch

Do you mean climate change, the spiralling financial system or the rise of the alt right potentially culminating in WW3?

John Dvorak

:D

Journeyman Geek

@Magisch yeah, that's a problem

@Shadow eh. Folks here know my real name

user58

@Magisch "Yes."

Magisch

@Shadow No, you definitely can. They knew this while making the press statement

Shadow

7:27 AM

@JourneymanGeek but if it will leak to the public/press then SE will be to blame.

John Dvorak

@Magisch That's like asking which guy in a firing squad is going shoot me first.

Journeyman Geek

That's not a great reason to ruin someone's reputation

@Shadow If someone accused me of something

Magisch

Saying she shouldn't have used her real name is victim blaming

Journeyman Geek

finding my real name would be relatively trivial

yup

Shadow

@Magisch knew what? Like I said, by using your real name as your display name you can't expect to keep it private.

Same with SE staff. Most have their real name.

Journeyman Geek

7:29 AM

@Shadow I don't think anyone would expect this sort of thing

Magisch

@Shadow They knew they were making a press statement with serious, socially devastating ramifications that is both unverifiable and unfalsifiable, and they knew the press would publish it

Journeyman Geek

uhm.... Actually....

Magisch

If I use my corporate platform to call someone out as a transphobe I should think very carefully what that'll do to them

Shadow

@Magisch still... Bush was (still is?) first result for "most dumb person" of something like that, as result of clever hackers..... people should know Google results aren't set in stone.

Journeyman Geek

@Shadow lots of SE staff don't

but that's also not a reason for... anything

Gryphon

7:31 AM

@Magisch Meh, climate change isn't anywhere near fast enough to kill me, the economy is going well right now, and the alt-right is still a fringe movement.

Magisch

Bush is a public figure

user58

twitter.com/superplane39/status/1180630233503940608?s=20

Journeyman Geek

The correct answer in all these cases is "We do not discuss internal matters."

Shadow

@Magisch and by going public with this whole ordeal in her statements,Monica made herself a public figure as well.

Journeyman Geek

Even if I have first hand, non secret knowledge of why someone was say, suspended, I wouldn't talk about it

Magisch

7:32 AM

I disagree

Journeyman Geek

@Shadow ... and what else do you do?

Shadow

Not saying she should have kept silent, but...

Magisch

I think she'd probably have a serious shot at bringing a defamation claim

Journeyman Geek

But?

Magisch

Also I expect a lot more from SE then "not technically legally actionable defamation"

Shadow

7:33 AM

@JourneymanGeek now? Nothing. If I would be in her shoes now I'll accept things as they are and defend myself where needed.

And the only thing SE can do now in that area is apologize, if it was really a mistake.

Journeyman Geek

@Shadow And yet this is someone who has consistantly and rather effectively done good simply by being the one person who spoke up

Remember the whole mess with twitter?

She got the ball rolling

Shadow

@JourneymanGeek can't agree more, Monica is one of the best people I know. And anyone digging a bit beyond Google results will know it quickly.

Journeyman Geek

Because she's always been the squeeky wheel

and that's something we all benefited from

Magisch

@Shadow When you're skimming resumes, you don't do that though. You have like 500. It's a "one red or yellow flag and into the bin" kind of system

Journeyman Geek

Sorry about that. That was out of line

I'll work out a better way to say it.

Shadow

7:37 AM

@JourneymanGeek didn't see :(

Journeyman Geek

Its for the better ;p

Shadow

@Magisch serious recruiter will look beyond that.

Journeyman Geek

@Shadow But more or less - no matter how disappointed we are in the system - cursing the dark, so to speak... does little

Shadow

She better not work for a place flagging people based on Google result anyway.

Journeyman Geek

@Shadow imagine if someone at work asked about it

what do you say?

Shadow

7:38 AM

@JourneymanGeek point them to a starting point and saying "Start reading".

Journeyman Geek

@Shadow most people don't have time for that

Magisch

@Shadow You for real? Having that out there is a liability. Imagine you're a serious company employing someone who has such a search result and one of your disgruntled customers finds that and decides to mob you with it

Shadow

@JourneymanGeek So they'll have to take my word I'm not the bad guy here.

Journeyman Geek

"Wait, are you the J Geek who's that crazy lawyer?"

I'd be a bit confused

Magisch

Basically rules out any big companies or any that have an image to defend

Journeyman Geek

7:39 AM

@Shadow Words mean very little on their own

Shadow

@Magisch yes that's the sad and cruel reality.

Journeyman Geek

(Yeah, I actually share an initial and first name with a passionate lawyer who has had a long struggle with mental illness... nice chap.)

Shadow

O_o

Journeyman Geek

@Shadow and no reasonable person would assume they would get in that kinda peril

lol

Magisch

I think on their end something more then an apology is in order with regards to Monica

Shadow

7:43 AM

@Magisch like bringing her back all the diamonds? Doubt that will happen, even after the apology.

Magisch

something like a public statement unambiguosly clarifying and sending retractions to the places the press statement went to

Journeyman Geek

free RA flags meta.stackexchange.com/a/334621/135565

@Shadow I don't know what's the outcome, or how the discussion with monica would go

Shadow

To be honest, the best outcome will be if Monica will resign willfully.

If she really can't cope with the new CoC, the resignation should come from her.

Magisch

I said it in a comment somewhere. If I got done like that through no fault of my own I'd be out for blood

user194636

Anyone who thinks the situation is simple or clear-cut is fooling themselves. Smart, well-informed people have come to completely opposing conclusions based on the same set of information. A major point of agreement is that SE handled the situation badly. There is a range of views about everything else.

Magisch

7:48 AM

@PaulWhite Sure, but I don't think anyone is defending the action of making that press release

user194636

@Magisch That was ill-considered, but not unusual for the situation they put themselves in.

Journeyman Geek

@Shadow uhm

I can't discuss details but

It was messy

and people were emotional

And there were lots of different interpretations of the events

And well

no one has actually seen the new COC changes yet

Gryphon

Apparently you diamonded folk will be seeing it tomorrow sometime.

Journeyman Geek

And the best outcome is we work this out

Magisch

I bet the CoC change itself will be largely uncontroversial

user351483

7:57 AM

@JourneymanGeek and keep serving the users

Magisch

The best outcome imo would be that they follow through on what David said in his post about communicating changes and taking feedback, and we finally turn away from the escalating tensions between community and company, and go back to a place where things are less miserable

long term

Journeyman Geek

@Magisch I don't usually see folks thinking that far ahead

user58

@Gryphon Actually, we got it right before David's post went out.

Journeyman Geek

APPARENTLY IN ALL THE EXCITEMENT I MISSED IT

falls over

Gryphon

@JourneymanGeek whump

Journeyman Geek

8:02 AM

Sorry for the misinformation

Gryphon

I know you can't give us details, but... good? bad? ugly?

user194636

short

Shadow

long

Reminds me....

!!/coffee

SmokeDetector

@Shadow brews a cup of Macchiato for @Shadow

Shadow

huh?

SmokeDetector

8:04 AM

@Shadow brews a cup of Macchiato for @Shadow

Shadow

Twins!

Whoa... 3 instances. That's a record.

Gryphon

Apparently triplets.

user194636

Triplets?

user194636

Dammit

user351483

<thumps coffee machine>

Shadow

8:05 AM

@user58 can you shut down two Smokeys?

user194636

fifteen coffees appear

Shadow

lol

And all made same coffee. Interesting, so it's not 100% random.

user351483

!!/coffee

SmokeDetector

@Snow brews a cup of Espresso for @Snow

@Snow brews a cup of Mocha for @Snow

@Snow brews a cup of jQuery for @Snow

Shadow

whaaaaaaaaaat

user194636

8:05 AM

that's the thing about randomness

user194636

you can never be sure

Gryphon

What is going on with the coffeebot?

Shadow

Too bad I didn't fill lottery then! :D

@Gryphon three bots at once.

user351483

!!/winninglotterynumbers

SmokeDetector

@Snow No such command 'winninglotterynumbers'.

Shadow

8:06 AM

Two is common, three, well... not so.

user351483

crap.

Shadow

!!/location

SmokeDetector

@Shadow teward/Supergate

@Shadow Makyen/EC2-linux

@Shadow Makyen/Windows

user194636

@Shadow yeah you wasted some luck there

Shadow

@Makyen are your Smokeys needed here?

Gryphon

8:07 AM

Anyway, back to the more important question of new CoC. Mods, any comments?

user351483

Well, that's something else to talk about for a change...

Bart

@Gryphon wait wait wait, you can't just switch like that from coffeebot issues to some random uninteresting issue like a CoC ...

3

Shadow

@Bart CoC can be very interesting.

@M.A.R. knows.

Magisch

everytime I hear CoC I think "Cast on Critical Strike" from Path of Exile

Shadow

Not Clash of Clans???

Bart

8:09 AM

This is about coffee dammit! Geez, what's going on in this community?

Magisch

it's a build archetype that utilizes fast hitting low damage attacks to trigger spell casts on critical strikes

Shadow

Code of Coffee

That's my CoC ^

Bart

Now that I can get behind. Point 1: Starbucks is not coffee

Shadow

It's yummy though

Double Java, right?

Bart

Fair enough, if that's your thing, go for it

Shadow

8:10 AM

I went for it :D

user351483

Point 2: Chocolate sprinkles has no place being on a cappuccino

Bart

Someone kindly handed me a cup of their cold brew though this summer ... I did not know you could muck up coldbrew that badly.

Shadow

@Gryphon sorry, but looks like Tavern is in Coffee Mode. Serious questions will be answered in a later time. ;)

user351483

@Shadow like "Why didn't this start sooner?!?!"

Magisch

@Shadow That is a coffee flavored milkshake

Ian Kemp

8:13 AM

ewww coffee

user351483

@Magisch It's a bucket of sick, that's what it is.

Shadow

@Magisch can't deny it

Magisch

The coffee is at best a medium to carry the sugar, milk, whipped cream and chocolate

Ian Kemp

i get all my caffeine from coca-cola

Magisch

that is an abomination onto the lord

Shadow

8:14 AM

@IanKemp there is now coca cola with coffee in Israel

Not sure if only flavour, or if they actually add coffee to it.

Magisch

I think i'm looking at 600 kcal of "coffee"

user194636

iced coffee is v popular here esp in summer

Bart

Can someone here make me a RO just long enough for me to kick @IanKemp for saying "ewww coffee". I'm sure none of us want such language in here.

user194636

flagged

Bart

That's not a flag! That's a star! Who starred that?!? I'm gonna Tweet about this if you're not careful.

user194636

8:17 AM

my mistake newbie error looked like a flag

2

user194636

lolz

Gryphon

@PaulWhite It wasn't you who starred it.

Ian Kemp

@Shadow y tho

user194636

@Gryphon The second star was.

Gryphon

Second star not showing up for me for some reason.

user194636

8:18 AM

I cancelled it when Bart threatened me with Twitter

Gryphon

Ah, that makes sense.

I guess now all the blame and tweeting falls to me.

Bart

Fun fact, my smiting stick runs on caffeine.

Magisch

I turn caffeine and omelett with veggies and beef into code

user58

@Bart Tempting.

user194636

@Magisch That's an unusual euphemism for the human body's waste product

Gryphon

8:25 AM

Are we finished talking about coffee so we can start talking about the CoC?

Bart

Most of my code is crap ... so it's fitting.

Magisch

@PaulWhite well it does contain DNA, which is basically biocode

@Gryphon This is a tavern. People will talk about whatever comes up

user351483

@Gryphon Can I go grab a coffee first?

user58

...I think I need another cup as well beforehand.

...but it's going to be instant. *hides*

At least it's with real milk and not soymilk this time, though. ;)

Magisch

>_<

user194636

8:28 AM

Don't mind me I'm twelve

Magisch

I hope you don't mind me moving that away

In an abundance of caution

user351483

You left it long enough for me to snigger.

user194636

@Snow of course 😉

user194636

It had its moment

user351483

All hail the return of humour.

user194636

8:32 AM

@Magisch This is an outrage! I demand to see the manager. You'll be hearing from my lawyers etc.

Shadow

@IanKemp we are weird people here. ;)

user58

@PaulWhite Sorry, your account will now have to be deleted for being underage. Sorry.

user194636

Hoist by my own p'tard

Magisch

^ the manager

user58

If I'm the manager, that's a wildly irresponsible decision from whoever appointed me... :P

Magisch

8:37 AM

hides

Shadow

@PaulWhite twelve feet? That's really tall.

@Magisch I can still see your thorns.

user194636

@Shadow yeah that's totally what I meant thanks

Shadow

@PaulWhite np

Ian Kemp

@Shadow software developers are weird? as one myself, i never would have guessed

Shadow

Taller than King of Bashan, that's impressive.

Og

Og (Hebrew: עוֹג‎, romanized: ʿŌḡ [ʕoːɡ]; Arabic: عوج‎, romanized: ʿŪj [ʕuːdʒ]; Ancient Greek: Ωγ, romanized: Ōg) according to the Hebrew Bible and other sources, was an Amorite king of Bashan who was slain along with his army by Moses and his men at the battle of Edrei. In Arabic literature he is referred to as ʿŪj ibn ʿAnāq (عوج بن عنق). Og is introduced in the Book of Numbers. Like his neighbor Sihon of Heshbon, whom Moses had previously conquered at the battle of Jahaz, he was an Amorite king, the ruler of Bashan, which contained sixty walled cities and many unwalled towns, with his capital...

user194636

8:39 AM

I had a very promising basketball career at one stage

Magisch

hey @Aza

Gryphon

@PaulWhite Why do you not play for the NBA?

user206222

'lo, @Magisch.

Shadow

@PaulWhite what happened to it?

user194636

@Gryphon Some problem with a visa

user194636

8:40 AM

@Shadow I woke up

2

Shadow

lol

Ian Kemp

lel

Shadow

Our first NBA player got back to Israel this year

Think we still have one other in there.. not sure.

user194636

People will star almost anything to get "ewww coffee" off the star board it seems

2

Shadow

hahahaha

Ian Kemp

8:41 AM

fun fact: the word "hurt" appears 6 times in the letter from david, the word "sorry" 4

Shadow

Fun

user194636

@Shadow Who's yours? We are so proud of Steven Adams

Shadow

@PaulWhite Omri Casspi was the first and best, as far as I know.

user206222

you know you're in for a fun time when you go from 0 notifications to 7 in ten minutes

Shadow

Omri Casspi

Omri Moshe Casspi (Hebrew: עומרי משה כספי‎, born June 22, 1988) is an Israeli professional basketball player for Maccabi Tel Aviv of the Israeli Premier League and EuroLeague. He plays the small forward position, but can play also at the power forward position. Casspi was drafted 23rd overall in the 2009 NBA draft by the Sacramento Kings, making him the first Israeli to be selected in the first round of an NBA draft. With his Kings debut in 2009, Casspi became the first Israeli to play in an NBA game. As a rookie, Casspi was chosen to participate in the NBA All-Star Weekend Rookie Challenge. The...

Magisch

8:42 AM

Heh

user194636

@Shadow That's a great name

Shadow

@PaulWhite how so?

Just a common Hebrew name.

user194636

@Shadow I just think it looks really interesting and rolls off the tongue in a nice way

Shadow

Casspi comes from the noun "money", BTW

Or "silver", Can't really tell, it's the same word in Hebrew.

user194636

Oh well even if it's just the local equivalent of John Smith I still quite like it

Shadow

8:44 AM

@PaulWhite that's true! :)

Gryphon

@Shadow There's a joke in here somewhere, but I'm not going to make it.

user194636

Dunks all over "Steven Adams" anyway

Shadow

@Aza you never had ping war... good for you. ;)

I had 200 in two hours or so.

user206222

if you mean 'ping war' as in, people deliberately trying to heckle the crap outta you, no,

user206222

if you mean 'ping war' as in, coming back to 'oh god what happened' well,

Magisch

8:49 AM

in my defense there's not a way to comment on a post without pinging the owner, and I don't feel like my concerns rise to the level where they'd make a good answer

John Dvorak

I suppose that seven notifications in ten minutes is still less than what a certain representative had to endure quite recently

user194636

when the revolution comes, comments will cost 50 rep each

John Dvorak

ouch!

And a meta account will require actual cash unless you're a moderator

user194636

fully

user58

*rolls eyes*

user206222

8:52 AM

Sorry for the editing on that one, @Magisch.

user206222

I do think the point stands, though. If you want to move to chat somewhere (I'd say here but it's awful public), it might be a better venue. If that's what works best for you, last public word's yours.

Magisch

@Aza No problem. I'm not in principal against your proposal, but I do think it will have a contrary effect then what you're aiming for on some sites

user194636

principle!

John Dvorak

Principal = director of a circus

Or of school, apparently, but that's the same thing anyways

user351483

I sincerely hope that today I don't hit my 9th consecutive repcap on Meta and that I can soon go back to my previous status of "Barely noticed, let alone tolerated".