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12:04 AM
Considering that (1.) a single Looks OK review can dismiss the review entirely, and (2.) the SE team has stated that short review bans can be used as warnings
In this case, the review ban system is also the warning system. It's not uncommon for a user to get a 1- or 2-day review ban just to get their attention on a bad review. Moderators generally don't use the mod message system for reviews. — animuson ♦ Oct 27 '18 at 16:45
 
12:19 AM
Meh.
For a single bad review?
I'll just let him know
Don't forget. Moderation is not all about the big stick
 
1:21 AM
@Galastel: I haven't forgotten. Removing the beta label is possible, but I'm far less inclined to make an exception if it appears we made it due to a series of pings from users. It's not a healthy precedent, as you might imagine. — Jon Ericson ♦ 35 mins ago
There's a precedent of getting a hat for that.
 
1:32 AM
The Stack Overflow Culture Wars ... a blog post with a table of contents... nested... with three levels.
 
1:44 AM
Guess it's potentially useful as a summary, with all those links to major meta posts. Nothing really new for those following metaSO.
 
2:04 AM
Hmm. It might be worth to have someone take look at and edit the mobile apps post on mse meta.stackexchange.com/questions/154797/…
Most of the Android options are dead.
(also posting cause I might do that bit later)
 
I'd guess the edit would be "there aren't any", possibly with a link to xkcd.com/1174
Thought it'd be interesting to compare month-to-month post volume (all kinds of posts, including deleted) on various sites. February 2018 vs February 2019.
+------------------+----------+----------+--------+
|       Site       | Feb 2018 | Feb 2019 | Change |
+------------------+----------+----------+--------+
| ai               |      270 |      591 | 119%   |
| softwarerecs     |      489 |      943 | 93%    |
| workplace        |     1484 |     2723 | 83%    |
| lifehacks        |      120 |      216 | 80%    |
| martialarts      |       45 |       75 | 67%    |
| bricks           |       67 |      107 | 60%    |
| opensource       |       86 |      136 | 58%    |
 
Plausible - both Android ones listed are dead
 
Notice a pattern in the bottom part... stellar, monero, ethereum, augur, iota.
Granted, for some of the sites Feb 2018 was close to their private beta heyday. But still.
 
Maybe they should move their Q&A to the blockchain .....
 
So, it's already morning...
 
2:13 AM
The change for the network as a whole is -5%, same as for SO (naturally).
I guess TWP picked up because it has greater presence in HNQ now, not being outcompeted by IPS.
So many TLAs.
 
@JourneymanGeek ? The Stack Exchange app still works; I use it to get push notifications.
SO app is dead though
But, that's indicated
 
2:30 AM
@JourneymanGeek I removed the dead links to user-created SE apps for now
 
2:53 AM
> I was reading some dark psychological thrillers. Then I realised it was just making me unhappy. I'm now reading a sci-fi romp that wouldn't challenge my youngest, and it is glorious. Sometimes you just need to have fun. -- Marc Gravell at 11:50 AM - 3 Mar 2019
Sounds good, but Marc offered no specific recommendations there. :(
I guess I'll try Ready Player One.
Acting one's age gets old.
 
@Shog9 the post had a few dead alternatives. Also on my phone at work soooo
@Bookends thanks
 
I recommend acting 30. Seems like a reasonable age to act... at any age.
 
And yes I am aware the SE app shambles on
 
glides. Glides on, like a graceful... albatross...
@JourneymanGeek I do most of my work from my phone these days. Sometimes even sober.
what can I say?
Phones have gotten really good
 
@Shog9 I do when I must.
 
2:56 AM
except for Apple. Poor bastards.
can't even run userscripts on 'em
 
I still prefer my dual 4k monitors
 
I'd be jealous, but... I'd need to build a new desk to house a second monitor
that sounds like work
 
(also helps I run something comparable to SE's dev rigs with a few small compromises)
I have an old dining table. In the midst if swapping from a core i7 3770 to a core i9 9900k
 
apropos of nothing
...I just wanted to use that phrase
apropos of nothing... I'm perversely delighted that "Swati" is an actual name. That shows up disproportionately in moderator requests for vote invalidation.
BRB, swatting some swaties
 
Lol
Fairly common Indian name.
The T is a bit softer than swat tho
 
3:03 AM
Just invalidated votes between 780 pairs of users. Good grief...
 
.... Ow
 
granted, that's only like 40 users
still.
that's 40 users
 
Massive voting reversed!!!1!1!
 
3:16 AM
That's not mass reversal on the scope of AU, is it.
 
@Shog9 massive ring or lotsa accounts?
 
it's one ring
one mod contacting us about a user
kinda depressing really
I only track this stuff out to two degrees of separation, and... Most of that was at most 1 degree removed
like...
...I don't even know 40 people
I mean, I couldn't even build a network like this if I wanted to
where did I go so wrong?
 
Living in the middle of nowhere?
 
well... Ok, yeah, that's plausible
 
3:19 AM
Honestly? Wouldn't even occur to most people to do that
 
I need more vagrants who are also SO users
 
Aphids can keep you company.
 
I don't think I know 40 meatspace SE users
 
Yeah... I only know 1, and is sitting beside me...
 
TIL: I kill most of my potential friends via desiccation
 
3:22 AM
> My mom always told me a turkey vulture is just a friend you haven't met yet, usually because you don't smell enough like decaying meat. xkcd.com/1746
Mar 20 '18 at 21:33, by K.Dᴀᴠɪs
When you going to run your little AU experiment on SO, @Shog9?
Did this already happen? Don't remember a meta explosion
 
Too much to do, to little...
 
@Shog9 that's dry.
 
Something
Polite euphemism for giving a rats ass
@JourneymanGeek instantrimshot.dev
in RPG General Chat on The Stack Exchange Network Chat, 26 mins ago, by Master_Yogurt
Like, so much energy was exerted on this meta debate, and none at all was used to actually address or improve the question
That should be an auto-comment
 
3:42 AM
And tweeted every time we're mentioned on Twitter....
 
Heh, just when we discussed about the indestructible "My Filter"... then a random user posted it on the meta :)
 
Well... Change your name to James Thurber?
Donno why Walter Mitty gets all the attention. Always thought "A Curb in the Sky" was the better story.
 
 
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6:10 AM
Participating on Travel has made me more knowledgeable about UK visas.
 
 
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7:21 AM
I have a mild hunch I know at least some of those 40 users from seeing them
 
8:20 AM
@Shog9 did one of my flags have anything to do with that? curious
 
8:44 AM
@Magisch Can't you check if there was one handled around the same time :P
 
@Tinkeringbell I can't see when the CM ticket was created
Flow is like this: 1. I flag -unspecified time-> 2. Mod handles flag & creates CM ticket -unspecified time-> 3. CM handles ticket
I only know the absolute time of 1 and 2 and when 3 was completed, but not when 3 started
 
Well, assuming only you flagging for voting ring, then big chance, yes?
 
@Bookends SO is a big place. I doubt i'm even responsible for 10% of the serial voting flags last week
 
> "assuming you only flagged one voting ring"
more like 100 a day :P
@Magisch I'd say you're responsible for like 95%...
 
186 serial voting flags last week, 184 of which were helpful. No way for me to know how many resulted in escalations, but from hearsay and if previous ratios hold around 30% of that.
 
8:52 AM
@Magisch well, I don't know other regular users who know how to find voting ring effectively except you...
 
Maybe not that but people come across them organically. ~8% of the results I review are already manually handled by mod/cm
@Mithrandir I remember hearing once that I was about 30% of the flags back when I was flagging a lot more
 
9:30 AM
@Magisch Oh... Is that how you're supposed to handle such flags ;)
I'd escalate and leave the flag as a reminder that there's probably something to be done still...
 
Hmm...the quality on this seems to have degraded... oh well.
 
Nice! The weather there sure looks better than over here :)
 
It hasn't snowed in four years, so... :P
 
9:52 AM
Oh wow, your weather has colours. Over here we've opted for 1 shade of grey.
 
@Bart I see at least three shades looking out the window right now ;)
So I guess it's not that bad over here...
 
Luxury
 
Yeah, I know :) I got soaked on the way to the train though...
does give me an excuse to not wear my shoes in the office right now ;)
 
we have a storm warning here
supposed to get real windy after lunch
 
@MSOGA I can sense the 6-8 tons of sarcasm in there. lol
@Magisch saw in our media Alabama got very strong tornados, with casualties... hope everyone here are fine!
 
10:02 AM
@Magisch I like really windy weather, as long as it stays dry. If it rains, it ruins umbrella's and I spend a train ride shivering and trying to dry :P
 
@Tinkeringbell aren't parrots supposed to have hydrophobic coating on their feathers?
 
@Magisch Yeah, but if they're wearing the same shoes for years and forget to polish them, they get wet feet. My coat held up pretty well, though my pants also got a full load of water.
 
Put on your regenpak :D
 
@Bart My wattes? :P
I'm a bit too ... wide ... to fit in a regenpak :P
 
user image
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10:13 AM
I like that :D
 
I don't bike to work, but if I did I would totally go for that :D
 
I don't bike to work either, but that would even work for walking to the train :P
(and then travelling first class XD)
 
Look at miss fancy feathers over there. First class ...
 
Hey, I'm just too lazy to stand :P
And this way, I can work. So it's a win for the company too :P
 
10:29 AM
Hmm ,looks like a duck, also cycles like a duck...
 
Must be a duck then!
 
Hey...isn't the Dutch Carnival going on now?
 
not over here :P
 
It is here, although muted this year because of the storm outside rn
 
10:54 AM
Oh no!!!! Sirens are going and it isn't twelve o'clock yet :/
I'm not going to leave and miss lunch!
 
A hill... silent hill...
 
@Tinkeringbell What sirens?
 
:P Typical Dutch thing I guess, but each first Monday of the month they're testing the sirens. The ones that warn you for incoming airplane attacks and unhealthy gas leaks, that kind of stuff. If we had tornadoes we'd use them for those too :P
Usually, this also means office buildings test their alarms.
 
Ah, like periodical fire drill in Singapore
 
11:00 AM
@Tinkeringbell Ah, yes, our university has siren testing as well
 
 
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12:16 PM
I wish there was a distinction between "helpful - just coincidence / no action" and "helpful - actually a true positive" on flags
 
@Magisch I think mods are supposed to use the free text field for that (if it isn't comment flags)
 
i've never recieved such feedback
 
@Magisch :( I try to leave a such a thing whenever I mark a flag helpful but don't do anything else... If you flag something for deletion and I delete it, you can assume it was an actually true positive ;)
Perhaps on some sites this isn't feasible though, due to sheer flag volume
 
@Magisch if it's a true positive it goes booooooom
 
@JourneymanGeek I'm halfway guessing that when flagging serial voters this is a bit harder to check ;)
 
12:32 PM
Serial voting true positive can have several outcomes:
1. Votes get reversed. This means CM escalation and 20 minutes - 1 month delay
2. Sockpuppet gets deleted. This is usually instantaneous and visible as "-xx user was removed" in the person's rep page
3. Person / Sockpuppet gets warned. Not visible for non mods
4. Person gets suspended for rule violations. Visible from the profile. Usually but not always in combination with 1 or 2.
 
@Tinkeringbell eh. Even with mod tools I'm not very good at that ;p
Unless someone is nose-smackingly obvious
 
From what i've been told the mod tools regarding that aren't very good either
 
@JourneymanGeek I mean when someone flags a suspected serial voter, it's not that easy for that person to see how their flag was handled (regarding the 4 options Magisch posted above).
 
@Magisch there's a few folks with a knack for it
A little instinct a little pii ;p
 
And a lot of sleuthing...
 
12:49 PM
you can do a whole lot of sleuthing without mod access
 
@Magisch True. I'm kinda bad at it though. I usually leave it to other mods. ;)
(Or other mods beat me to it :P)
Should I have kept that a secret? :P
 
everyone's good at different things
 
But now everyone knows that I'm bad at knowing if they're serial voting ;)
 
at least you have a diamond (well 2 actually, but the point is the same)
I dont think anyone serial votes on meta
 
1:05 PM
@Magisch I hope not :P
 
How's your personal favorite coworker @Tinkeringbell ? left you alone at last?
 
Story will have to wait until after this refinement ;)
 
1:36 PM
 
2:06 PM
@Feeds Human field of vision is wider than than it is tall (210 vs 150 degrees?)
That said, I'd watch a vertical movie if its director can give a good reason for presenting it that way,
By the end of TNG I got really tired of watching Riker position himself so his chest nearly touches Picard's right shoulder. Get a room, you two.
 
2:27 PM
@MSOGA I had trouble imagining that until I realized Picard was probably sitting while Riker was standing
 
@Magisch Okay, I've got time ;) Did you get the 'he's trying to get me to do stuff and the scrum master is being a lovely woman and keeping him away from me' part from last week?
 
@Tinkeringbell yes
 
@Magisch Well... we haven't really talked since, though last week he came towards where we were working and was intercepted by the scrum master. I've also picked up bits and pieces of gossip indicating that more and more people are starting to see problems....
 
seems like you have a scrum master worth their salt for once
 
Yeah, it really, really makes a difference :)
 
3:00 PM
Bad scrum is so much worse than no scrum
 
@Bart The problem with the previous two teams was that they came with an explicit (and after that implied) 'you have to work together with him'. So at first we really had to work together, then from January onwards we were in different teams but he could basically disturb my working whenever he liked. Now he has to go through someone else, and that person is doing a great job of blocking off everything :D
Bad scrum is doable with the right people :P
 
:D
At my previous company they tried to introduce scrum. But the word "scrum" was not to be mentioned according to the boss, because we (the devs) would not like it. We were entirely fine with it, and welcomed the change. Turned out the boss really didn't like it and sabotaged it wherever he could. Great fun.
 
Most times i've heard from friends about scrum it was some hilarious trainwreck
 
@Bart Ugh... The previous two teams really did do bad scrum, and the first and this one do mediocre I guess? This one fully realized they're not entirely SCRUM and they're fine with it, because there's just parts that can't be done within this company/infra structure.
 
@JohnDvorak Riker is taller. star-trek-world.info/stw/galerie/3/3/J_L_Picard+W_Riker.jpg (not a frame from the show, but same idea)
 
3:10 PM
But that also makes it so that we can actually finish stuff. Previous team the scrum master was wanting pure scrum and it just wasn't feasible but instead of working on methods that may not be entirely scrum but would allow for finishing stuff it was just 'no, we can't do that, it isn't scrum'
 
I found that it nearly almost always devolves into some SCRUM purist enforcing their vision of it on everybody else, causing lots of friction and a massive loss in productivity
 
Yeah, that's what happened here too
 
@Tinkeringbell I'm fine with a scrum version that works. If you need to adapt to your environment, go for it. But for us it already went wrong on time estimates for sprints. Whatever we suggested wasn't accepted. We had to squeeze in more work (we were already on structural overtime of 50/60 hours per week) and in the end it turned out that even our own estimates were on the low side. That wasn't accounted for, we were just told to work more/harder. :D
 
@Bart AAAGH. Always deliberate throw in an extra point when pokering :P
There's always something that goes wrong and makes you need it.
 
@Tinkeringbell our project manager quit when she went to the CEO to state "With conservative estimates we run 2 months over the deadline, we need to cut content from the game", and was told "No, make it fit in the time" ... of course with no expansion of the team :D
 
3:15 PM
o.O
Good thing, I think
 
Yeah, ultimately also one of the reasons I'm no longer there. (Among plenty of other bizar stuff)
 
@Bart Always love it when upper management attempts to fiat reality into submission
"I reject your reality and substitute my own"
 
@MSOGA why are they so.... Orange??
 
3:42 PM
Looks like I missed a discussion about scrum trainwreck...
Me before knowing scrum: our projects are messy
Me after learning the ideal scrum on YouTube: yeah, this should solve most of the problems
Me after having the real scrum: what are we doing here...
 
4:12 PM
@Bookends making more mess? Other mess?
 
More mass
 
@ShadowWizard ... let's not get into a discussion of people of color and cause another Twitter outrage.
 
apparently we tried 'scrum' slowly, but ended with 'screwed' instead
 
@MSOGA "I see Orange people" can be a good movie title though.
 
4:20 PM
@Journeyman usually we wait until there is the "welcome" comment before deleting, can you add that comment now here? Thanks. :)
 
4:33 PM
Kinda done.
But that's vaguely optional imo
 
4:54 PM
@Bart colour is back here today:
No more three shades of grey :)
 
5:15 PM
I'm jealous
 
@Bart You're supposed to be a bit cheered up by the thought that that could happen over there too ;)
 
 
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1st SO nominee: Machavity. So far so good.
BTW the Prog... Software Engineering election is pretty strong too: with 3 candidates and Aaron Hall.
 
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This is not Den.
 
@SupaMegaDuckyMomodaWaffle regarding my "Please don't ping" message. I don't have a general problem with pings, but 20 in short succession is too much. Bye
 
8:57 PM
TIL although we can use more than 3 # characters #### minor heading they are all converted to <h3>. :(
 
@MSOGA I almost read it as Frog Engineering
I thought dissecting amphibians is for wanna-be doctors only.
 
Arguably, <h1> should never be used in post bodies because the title of Q&A page is the question title. (one H1 per page). This leaves us only 2 levels of headings.
 
Nah... it's Progressive Software Engineering...
 
@Bookends That sounds serious . . . Will chemotherapy work?
How typical of me. I missed a drama
 
@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ And biology students in general. Not all of them are pre-meds.
The drama is still there in that other place.
 
8:59 PM
Yeah I'll be dissecting one too unfortunately
In about 200 days from now.
 
Let's talk about recycling.
Trash is so 1990
2
 
I still have my recycle bin inside the trash
 
@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ my local council have made a point of this by making the recycling bin twice the size of the trash
 
@Bookends I remember a time when I kept 13 Recycle Bin shortcuts in the Recycle Bin
 
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Art is playing paper toss today
I used to like Miniclip games
 
I suppose this conversation should end now.
 
Until . . . well, I dunno. I just don't like them anymore
 
Bye everyone.
 
Not sure I ever played paper toss... was that one of em?
 
9:06 PM
Grace Note clarified that "We reserve some editorial control in the selection of the questions..." was still intended to be there, although they didn't actually have this line in two previous question collection threads on SO. Nonetheless, the Haiku question is in....
 
@MEEthesetupwizard You don't need to bye everyone everyone. Just change the subject. Like what I've been trying to do for 46 seconds
 
@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ No, I mean I actually have to go now.
 
o/
 
> Flags keep Stack Overflow clean
Get the junk out of here quick
Keep the good stuff going
One haiku so far (Machavity)
 
Next time, we'll have a questionnaire that asks to explain something in pseudocode...
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9:08 PM
@ArtOfCode My impression is it has become increasingly appealing for mobile game companies to be arseholes, which is too bad because I don't tend to have the mental capacity for long PC games
@MEEthesetupwizard \o
 
basically "ALL TEH ADZ"
 
it's a inevitable consequence of demands of continuous growth in a finite market
like yeah fortnite & co make a lot of money, but we'll need a lot more then even that yet
 
inb4 omg it's tencent!
 
omg it's tencent! . . . Oh crap. There we have an SO election again, and a 14-day free pass to egg throwing towards election candidates
Machavity, Makyen, Tripleee . . . I seem to recall a few names that seemed to already have a diamond
I guess the way most users see it though is mostly made of graphite
 

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