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core i9 9900k 32 gb of ram, my 980TI (I forgot it was a TI!) from my old PC, water cooled CPU (fancy!) M.2 NVMe 250gb samsung evo, anf 1tb sata m.2 WD green....

Tinkeringbell

Nice :)

Shadow Wizard

@Mithrandir that's your current watch?

Bookends

@JourneymanGeek congrats! Now you're ready for the CM position ;p

Journeyman Geek

@Bookends technically... that's closer to the developer spec ;p

just cut down in a few places

and I suppose that'll have to wait ... a little longer, and they'll probably have even nicer machines by then ;p

I have no clue what CM desktops are - shog uses a phone after all ;p

Magisch

7:57 AM

I have a feeling the PC CM's use isn't special and just a normal reasonably fast workstation of whatever flavor is preferred

Journeyman Geek

@Magisch though SE's usually had a culture of actually letting folks pick what they need.

(within reason)

and least as a mod, having a ton of screen real estate is nice though not essential

also, I love hardware XD

Shaymin

@ShadowWizard Nani?

Journeyman Geek

8:13 AM

can confirm

Shadow Wizard

@Shaymin NaN

@JourneymanGeek also three for @Jo too bad it doesn't ping. :P

Journeyman Geek

this is feature, not a bug

Sonic the Wizard Werehog

Pinging Shadow also pings Shine

Journeyman Geek

hm. no?

Sonic the Wizard Werehog

(the Hedgehog)

Shadow Wizard

8:20 AM

Anyone can check if this hash is indeed torrent of SE data dump? f8b00f75393b2fca5e8796e48cfe89c2f0536fa2

someone with 1 rep added it, better double check that it's not something bad. I don't have any torrent client ATM.

Sonic the Wizard Werehog

@ShadowWizard Which dump?

Shadow Wizard

@SonictheWizardWerehog should be March 2019

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A: All Stack Exchange data dumps

Here are the torrents for each data dump release. The contents may or may not be available. Stack Exchange Network Data Dumps Release BitTorrent Infohash and Magnet Link2009 May ea45080eab61ab465f647e6366f775bf25f69a61 in Internet Archive 2009 June 68d22f0f856ca5056e009...

Edited today ^

By new user with no other accounts, no rep... might as well be a spammer.

And the two who approved most likely didn't check.

Journeyman Geek

erf

Actually...

Shadow Wizard

?

That user is a sock?

I mean, if it's not a spammer then of course it's a sock, just wonder of whom and why sock.

Unless..... oh.

Journeyman Geek

I was going to say, I could probably check the torrent

Shadow Wizard

8:26 AM

oh lol

And I was about to reach conclusion there's good chance it's the answer author.

Bookends

@ShadowWizard not sure if no other accounts or hid all other accounts

Shadow Wizard

@Bookends yeah can't really know, but it doesn't really matter...

Journeyman Geek

@ShadowWizard its mostly harmless - assuming its the actual link

yup, can comfirm it matches the one on IA

my torrent client is a little... non functional but that's a thing to fix later

but can confirm the torrent hash is legit

Bookends

And looks like I started downloading the data dump on the office internet

Journeyman Geek

._.

Shadow Wizard

8:42 AM

@Bookends lol

@JourneymanGeek thanks!

plz-delete batch of two: onclick, voterlist @rene @Bart (No @Glo anymore)

Sonic the Wizard Werehog

!!/watch bigbits\.in

SmokeDetector

@SonictheWizardWerehog That pattern looks like it's already caught by Potentially bad keyword in body and Potentially bad keyword in answer; append -force if you really want to do that.

Sonic the Wizard Werehog

@rene What is an fkey?

@SonictheWizardWerehog are you logged in and do you have a valid fkey on the chat page? — rene 2 mins ago

Journeyman Geek

8:58 AM

foreign key?

Magisch

afaik it's the user auth token SE uses - used to authenticate you & your session against the server

Bookends

9:10 AM

fkey is to determine whether you're connecting to a teapot or not

rene

@SonictheWizardWerehog if you do a find in the DOM you should find an <input> element with id=fkey and it should have a value (it is a secret key, so don't share it, just check it exists).

Shadow Wizard

@Magisch correct

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Q: What is the fkey that's present on some pages and what does it do?

I am a bit reluctant to ask this question since it may appear sinister (or that it may belong to SO), but my curiosity has peaked: I'm wondering what the "fkey" does that gets sent with a new comment. I read here that using a token can help prevent some forms of session hijacking. I would like t...

discussion

@rene or just open console and type $("input[name='fkey']").val(); to see the value right away. :)

Looks like they removed the id and put it as name instead. Weird.

Shadow Wizard

9:30 AM

Halp! Well, this one is really weird, never thought it can happen. :(

Tinkeringbell

@ShadowWizard Rice?

Heat it up, it may evaporate. Can it go in a microwave?

Sonic the Wizard Werehog

@Tinkeringbell And then it will cool back down.

Shadow Wizard

@Tinkeringbell heh, clever tips. Worth an answer. And yeah, can't see any reason why not put in microwave.

(no metal, it won't melt.)

Tinkeringbell

@ShadowWizard Pressure of evaporating might explode the thing? I'm not sure, I'm no physicist.

Shadow Wizard

hmm... well, another problem is the water are dirty, so even after they go away, dirt will stick there. But that's another matter.

@Tinkeringbell slight chance, the steam will go away via whatever caused the water to enter in the first place...

(probably some tiny hole between the layers)

Sonic the Wizard Werehog

9:35 AM

Smokey is down

ArtOfCode

More likely the glass will just explode under the steam pressure

Shadow Wizard

!!/coffee plz

Tinkeringbell

@ArtOfCode That's what I was worrying about too

Sonic the Wizard Werehog

Generally a post like that would get nuked in seconds, if not reported; I was wondering why there was no "already recently reported" message.

!!/alive

Shadow Wizard

@Tinkeringbell well I'll be careful then, e.g. putting in microwave for 30 seconds only each time.

!!/why are you dead?

SmokeDetector

9:36 AM

@ShadowWizard brews a cup of Mocha for @plz

@SonictheWizardWerehog You doubt me?

Shadow Wizard

ohh

just huge laaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaag lol

Likely because the other room here where Smokey post every second, hitting rate limit.

SmokeDetector

@ShadowWizard No such command 'why'.

:7588329 Missing an argument.

Shadow Wizard

I still think that room is a mistake that harms the actual performance of smokey here.

Mithrandir

@ShadowWizard Smokey's being laggy everywhere

Shadow Wizard

@Mithrandir oh. So why is that? Any way to debug?

!!/debug lag

SmokeDetector

9:43 AM

@ShadowWizard No such command 'debug'.

Shadow Wizard

:(

Mithrandir

@ShadowWizard Watch size comparison:

Shadow Wizard

hehe well size doesn't matter :D

Tinkeringbell

o.O that's one massive watch.

Mithrandir

It's large, waterproof for 330 feet, has both digital and analog clocks, stopwatch, countdown, 3 alarms, a second timezone, lights up,...

Tinkeringbell

9:47 AM

And carrying its weight around is a good exercise? :P

Shadow Wizard

@Mithrandir let me guess.... a gift you got when you were 13? ;)

Mithrandir

@ShadowWizard Nah... I was 14. My grandparents like to get me watches when my old one dies :P they've been getting progressively larger though over the years

Tinkeringbell

@Mithrandir You'll grow into them :P

Mithrandir

@Tinkeringbell the SO watch is heavier, I think

Shadow Wizard

@Mithrandir heh. I had one single watch since I was... eh.... 12 or 13 until I was 25 or so. It was a super simple CASIO watch. I think I still stash it somewhere, for historical value. :D

Mithrandir

9:50 AM

....I might still have, uh, basically every single old watch I've ever had somewhere

Shadow Wizard

It was like that one:

Tinkeringbell

That makes me wonder if I still have my childhood watch lying around....

Shadow Wizard

And before army I installed a "shield" over its screen to prevent it from breaking.

@Mithrandir whoa, you're a Collector then! :P

@Tinkeringbell Dora the Explorer? Like Tony's watch? ;)

Mithrandir

@ShadowWizard nah, just a hoarder

like a dragon

Tinkeringbell

@ShadowWizard Nah, it had a bright yellow strap with blue accents, IIRC

Shadow Wizard

9:54 AM

lol

@Mithrandir so you also got a Long Sword +5 somewhere?

Mithrandir

a plastic one

the dagger broke, I think

the shield is sitting on my desk :p

Shadow Wizard

:D

While I love D&D and played it a lot as teenager, never was into RD&D or had any actual equipment.

ArtOfCode

If it's outdoorsy rugged watches you want... these guys are really good at it

Mithrandir

Would you like a timepiece? Watch this space!

Journeyman Geek

@ShadowWizard those things are a bit of a cult classic

Magisch

10:06 AM

@JourneymanGeek I had one like that before this oen

now i'm wearing the SE one because much like the SE tshirt, it has a lot of style associated with it :D

Shadow Wizard

@JourneymanGeek eh, well, here it was just a popular and cheap watch back in the day.

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

12:56 PM

5

A: Where is the fallacy here?

Here is the argument: No N is not-N. No not-N is N. All C are N. No R are C. Thus: No R are N. The syllogism is invalid for two reasons. First, the third premise denies the antecedent (cats) of the fourth. There can be other animals that are normal. Wikipedia: Denying the antecedent; Formal ...

The ending of the answer triggers me,

Shadow Wizard

@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ why,

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

@ShadowWizard I dunno but these chat messages also trigger me,

Still looking for a reason,

Ooker

anyone knows why this question is really really bad?

-9

Q: Why should the Help Page provide information on the website only?

The Help Center of Buddhism SE is very resourceful for including a list of resources, which in my experience the only site that make use of this section. Some arguments: Putting content about the subject of the site (in this case, Buddhism) pushes down the content about the site itself (Bu...

discussion help-center help

Shadow Wizard

@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ just,

@Ooker not bad, people just don't think sites should provide information in the help center.

Someone did say it cause the actual help center contents to be pushed down, which is indeed correct and might be a problem.

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

@Ooker I'm surprised you are still under the impression that score correlates with question quality here given the number of questions you've asked O.o

Bookends

1:10 PM

@Ooker yeah, I open the help center, and the introduction doesn't really help me in understanding how SE works

Shadow Wizard

@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ the idea downvotes are not evil is the hardest thing to grasp about MSE, or meta sites in general.

@Bookends more like "I want to know how the site works, not to read information related to the site topic". For that we should have a "site wiki" somewhere.

Bookends

true, that's the point. Is X.SE Help Center for understanding more about X, or Stack Exchange?

Journeyman Geek

@Ooker because fundamentally we assume people get the basics of the subject not the platform

Shadow Wizard

1:38 PM

Exactly ^

Yay!!! :D

Tinkeringbell

Nice!

Congratulations

Shadow Wizard

Thanks!

Looking forward to the video:

))) haha thank you, if i decide to do this way, i will shoot a video)) — Daniyar 5 mins ago

lol

daily ping for @M.A.R. so he won't feel,

Ooker

@ShadowWizard & @JourneymanGeek: saying X.SE Help Center is for understanding about Stack Exchange, not X is what I don't think a newcomer would think, hence my question

Journeyman Geek

@Ooker if you didn't know what the subject was - how would you even know what to ask?

Ooker

it's not that I don't understand the downvotes are not relevant to the question quality, it's just that I don't know why people find the idea is bad but leaving no explanation (@CodyGray did, but I have implemented them in the question)

Journeyman Geek

1:45 PM

@Ooker I'm commenting less on the votes - and why the premise is wrong ;p

Magisch

@Ooker Dooker!

Journeyman Geek

If you needed to know what buddism was in detail - that's what the site is for. If you didn't know what it was, you wouldn't need the site.

Ooker

no, I just answer a previous question. I'm thinking about yours

Tinkeringbell

@Ooker Just putting a comment in the question doesn't automatically make the point made in it invalid.

Magisch

I couldn't resist the pun

Ooker

1:46 PM

@Magisch hahaha... urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=dooker

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Magisch

not clicking that at work

also, I wasn't aware that term had a specific meaning outside being what cartoon apes say

Shadow Wizard

@Magisch no worry almost anything has some unknown slang usage. :D

Ooker

@Tinkeringbell I just say that I have implemented the comments to my question, so I think it's obsoleted. And anyone who think the idea is bad should at least has another new explanation in their mind

Journeyman Geek

@Magisch a quick look at that UD link and.. I strongly suggest you don't click it at work ;)

Ooker

@JourneymanGeek it is possibly that someone need to know introductory resource

Shadow Wizard

1:52 PM

@JourneymanGeek well, surely @jad can! It's very brown. :P

(usually)

Tinkeringbell

6 mins ago, by Tinkeringbell

@Ooker Just putting a comment in the question doesn't automatically make the point made in it invalid.

Shadow Wizard

Is it the Self Onebox time? ;)

Tinkeringbell

You put in the question, fine. People can still find the point made in it valid, and disagree.

Journeyman Geek

@Ooker which comes back to - if you have no idea what the site is about, why are you there?

Bookends

Code Review's Help Center is better ;p

Ooker

1:58 PM

@Tinkeringbell but I give reasons why it may not be valid

Tinkeringbell

@Ooker People can still find the point made in it valid, and disagree.

Ooker

@JourneymanGeek not really. I know Buddhism, but I don't know good resources, introductory or advanced. The help center may have such resources

Journeyman Geek

@Ooker But resources can go away

Ooker

@Bookends Ok, putting the faq tag is nice

Journeyman Geek

in fact, we discourage resource posts as questions.

so we're literally adding an extra source of stuff potentially breaking and confusing a new user.

Ooker

2:02 PM

@Tinkeringbell well it can be, but it's just better if someone leaves a comment explaining why my explanation is bad

Bookends

IMHO, the introductory page of help center can be modified to let visitors understand more thoroughly about the particular SE site than its Tour, but not detail enough as per help center's article (some links to meta posts might be great on here). In no way I expect it to be a resource to external links.

Tinkeringbell

@Ooker If people feel the comment of Cody is sufficient, they don't need to. There's no use for arguing in circles, like we're doing here...

Ooker

@JourneymanGeek ok let me think more about your recent answer

Bookends

@JourneymanGeek what's "IMI"?

Journeyman Geek

Probably a typo

Ooker

2:09 PM

@Tinkeringbell the word "sufficient" is very important to speak out :D. This solves my query

Probably imo

Maybe imo

probably imu

I'm not sure either

@Ooker Emu

2:16 PM

Wrong bird, wrong room!

Magisch

@Tinkeringbell you can't just decide that emulaterally

Shadow Wizard

Angry... something! ^

Tinkeringbell

@Magisch I just did, to avoid an emu-war.

Bookends

@ShadowWizard Sphinx cat :O

Shadow Wizard

It's a cat...?? lol

Tinkeringbell

2:19 PM

@Bookends 'Sphinx'... quite an overrated name if you ask me. At least in Dutch we call them what they are: "Nakedcats" :P

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Shadow Wizard

rofl

Tinkeringbell

@ShadowWizard try and say "naaktkat' ten times in a row, quickly :P

Magisch

hypoallergenic

Shadow Wizard

status-miserable-failure

Rob

4:58 PM

Emulater

Mgetz

6:46 PM

Sigh... why doesn't amazon understand the "Do not ever contact me for the purposes of recruiting" I've sent them multiple times

rene

because that brings your e-mail address back to the top of recently used emails

@Tinkeringbell okay, just did that. What's my price?

Tinkeringbell

@rene I don't know. Are you cheap?

rene

7:07 PM

Have a guess ...

Tinkeringbell

You're going Dutch :P

MEE the setup wizard

Hi everyone

Jeremy Harris

Hello

secretely wishes he could be blamed

MEE the setup wizard

I was just suspended for 24 hours on network-wide chat. If I understand the situation correctly, a moderator misunderstood my flag to remove the room as a flag to remove a single message (moderator announcement, when room might be unfrozen) and immediately suspended me (what would be totally legitimate in the case I really flagged the message). I only flagged the single message because this is the only known way to flag a room and similar behavior is encouraged on main. I also could not have answered to a chat ping informing me about this misunderstanding, as the room was frozen.

Sterling Archer

in JavaScript on Stack Overflow Chat, 22 mins ago, by Michal Stefanow

Quick question about React business: https://youtu.be/lWp-_5YnMCA

This is the most amazing thing I've ever seen

He made a youtube video to ask his question, and was very thorough about it. 10/10

Kevin B

7:28 PM

...

Jeremy Harris

That is indeed amazing @SterlingArcher, but in all seriousness, what are we going to do about Veronica?

Sterling Archer

She's in mexico, so idk

Jeremy Harris

Figures. Just like her.

rene

@MEEthesetupwizard use the contact form (link in the footer of every site) and have the CM team look at it. There is nothing we can do, unless you want a public scrutinizing by Shog9 right here in this room. That is often a good read for us. Doesn't often help the suspended user, at least not with lifting of thr suspension

MEE the setup wizard

@rene Also for chat suspensions?

rene

7:31 PM

yes

MEE the setup wizard

okay, thanks I will do this

rene

okay.

Kevin B

that's not a screenshot

John Dvorak

Screen shot then

user302202

8:15 PM

24 hours likely to be over before the ticket is handled.

user302202

> here's an example of where stack overflow's moderation goes haywire. Why would you close such an obviously helpful resource? stackoverflow.com/questions/5465314/… … -- Matthew Martin at 2:52 PM - 5 Mar 2019

user302202

More importantly, why would you not delete it?

user302202

Ancient closed threads recommending outdated tools don't make the internet better.

user302202

> I'm super excited to announce that in two weeks I'll be joining @StackOverflow on their SRE team! Prepping for the firehose now! pic.twitter.com/T0bGmPwcVY -- Brandon Olin at 2:41 PM - 5 Mar 2019

user302202

devblackops, Portland, OR, USA

53 1 6

powershell windows abstract-syntax-tree chef parsing

user302202

8:19 PM

The new SRE

user302202

SO mod candidates by top tag: PHP, Android, JavaScript, Python, Python.

rene

script kiddies ...

MEE the setup wizard

@MSOGA Probably true. Still, I have some hope left...

user302202

Maybe those are the tags that make one want a mod hammer really bad.

user302202

8:35 PM

Grr, the "40/40" thing got blown out of proportion under coldspeed's nominations - four comments so far.

user302202

The difference between 39 and 40 is not supposed to be that important.

user302202

Machavity lacks Sportsmanship, though...

user302202

Travis J does not have Copy Editor.

user302202

FR: the hover-text on m/n should show all relevant badges, somehow separating those not earned.

user302202

I know it's just a title attribute, plain text... :( but we have Unicode :)

Mithrandir

8:44 PM

...I like how the first suggestion when you type "new z" into the YouTube search box is "new zealand airline safety video".

Sonic the Wizard Werehog

@Mithrandir Doesn't do it for me; probably search suggestions are based on your personal watch history

user302202

Now we know about @Mithrandir's secret obsession with airline safety videos..

3

Mithrandir

@MSOGA you got me

2

user302202

I’m giving up Twitter and Facebook for Lent -- Jon Ericson

user302202

Obligatory xkcd.com/2045

user302202

8:57 PM

More recently, MeWe.com became a thing?

ArtOfCode

9:18 PM

@MEEthesetupwizard Stand by, we'll discuss this among the involved moderators and figure what happened :)

MEE the setup wizard

9:48 PM

@ArtOfCode thanks

ArtOfCode

@MEEthesetupwizard You should find yourself able to chat again :)

Catija

10:01 PM

@MEEthesetupwizard Be suuuuuuper clear what you're asking for. I think that "Delete request" made it sound like you wanted Art's message to be deleted rather than the room to be deleted.

Sonic the Wizard Werehog

@ArtOfCode But the room wasn't deleted?

Just asking for curiosity

ArtOfCode

Correct.

Question: Is a user's profile ID on a child meta always the same as it is on the parent site?

Sonic the Wizard Werehog

@ArtOfCode Yes. (Prior to 2014 the exception was Stack Overflow, because MSE was MSO, and you know the rest)

Found a counterexample?

ArtOfCode

cool

@SonictheWizardWerehog No, just need to know if that's an assumption I can make - if it's not, my shiny new thing is going to break