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1:46 AM

ISO 86010 then...

2:24 AM

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Offensive answer detected, toxic answer detected (160): Howto install Oracle OCI8 instantclient on Ubuntu 18.04 by Magna Centipede on serverfault.com

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Pattern-matching product name in body, blacklisted user (168): What is your idea about INTRODUCING THE SORUSH CANCER TREATMENT PROTOCOL (SCTP) by Dr. Sorush Niknamian on academia.SE

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Link at end of answer, potentially bad keyword in answer (61): Can I make handmade invitation cards on a tight budget? by jomaryabad on crafts.SE

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4:35 AM

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Manually reported answer (94): iPhone 5 locked to Japanese network KDDI by Devin Hugo on apple.SE

user302202

4:56 AM

For some users, the time they quit is when reputation mostly stops growing. For others, it's when it starts.

user302202

user302202

(In reference to the Stack Exchange account stackexchange.com/users/1053898/kiss-my-armpit)

6:02 AM

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Manually reported question (93): At the factor whilst in a while the mistaken by user321281 on apple.SE

6:28 AM

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Link at end of answer (60): Chromium widevine doesnt work on Ubuntu 17.04 by Rahul Rajput on askubuntu.com

8:19 AM

Morning

Morning

seems the room is pretty empty right now.

morning

MORNING!

^ To fill some emptiness

8:38 AM

been thinking.

Do I want to know about what? :)

it's Derpy, so probably ponies

what if we start autodeleting news accounts after one or two weeks if they have no activity?

News accounts?

Accounts are deleted after a while if they've existed and have had no participation.

8:42 AM

@Mithrandir you sure? How long does that take?

*shrugs* Few months?

... ugh. If that's the case, I think that "safety period" could really use a cut.

@Mithrandir I'm actually a bit unclear over whether that is done

It was, then it wasn't

What counts as 'no participation'? If I have an account, and log in from time to time but don't ask/answer/propose edits (and can't vote yet).. does it get deleted?

Hopefully no

8:46 AM

AFAIK no

Stuff like my insurance spammers never log in after creation though

delv-pls 20k+ meta.stackexchange.com/questions/323984/…

@Derpy There was proposed to be a 2-year waiting period before deleting accounts with no activity whatsoever; not sure if it rolled out.

delv-pls 20k+ meta.stackexchange.com/questions/323983/…

cv-pls meta.stackexchange.com/questions/323990/…

@Tinkeringbell I don't know how it works right now, but that was my idea. If you don't post and/or propose any edit in a 2 weeks lapse after joining, then probably you don't need the account and it can be deleted.

9:06 AM

@Derpy I had an SO account for much longer, before I started posting on IPS ;)

Would anonymous votes count?

9:18 AM

@Derpy my 'favorite' list ;_;

9:37 AM

@Bookends doubt anyone would create an account just for that.

10:10 AM

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Pattern-matching website in answer (80): Построение эффективной CI/CD инфраструктуры с нуля начинающему devops инженеру by Татьяна Радужная on ru.stackoverflow.com

10:31 AM

ooohhhh... what a NICE discover....

I'm going to hell for abusing STUFF and XML path queries :p

Don't worry, they will be busy laughing at the question I am thinking to post.

HAHAHAHAHAHA

@Magisch here is your complimentary hand basket and good intention paving bricks....

anyone knows if the full text of the OLD Terms of Service document is available anywhere?

10:42 AM

google cache, probably

... mumble.. searching that specific line on google... lot of results from multiple sites ToS. Seems they used a standard document

Weird. Wonder if that was removed on purpose in the new revision.

what to do... what to do....

11:09 AM

Could try way back machine if you can find the url it was on

that's an idea.

ohhhhhh, this will be even more FUN(©Bay 12 Games)....

Shree

cv-pls bug off-topic How can I Change Opencart theme to my Existing Website Karan Bhalla PMO?‭ - Karan Bhalla PMO‭ 2019-02-15 11:10:13Z

11:29 AM

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Pattern-matching website in answer (80): On which name should home loan disbursement should have been prepared by anish natwar on money.SE

Q: Did the new ToS revoke the old Ask Ubuntu elevated status?

and the first part is there....

0

Looking back at the old Terms of Service, I noticed they used to contain a special paragraph about Ask Ubuntu. When accessing the askubuntu.com, meta.askubuntu.com, or chat.askubuntu.com sites ("AskUbuntu"), Subscriber will also abide by the most current Ubuntu Code of Conduct, which can be f...

11:54 AM

apparently, I should have keep the question for next Winter bash Event.

If it keeps going, may be worth of a Sun Wukong hat. :P

(and this is not even ~~my full power~~ the weirdest question I planned to post)

12:16 PM

> Having said that, I just reinstated your comment because it's Friday, and I just had a doughnut for breakfast.

12:28 PM

I just did a row number partition subquery in a subquery in a subquery inside a query with multiple such subqueries

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Pattern-matching website in answer, potentially bad keyword in answer (81): How to tell if battery is fully charged? by shafiq sahil on electronics.SE

And liberal use of XML path STUFF constructs

As long as it worked ;)

It does, although I have no idea how

1:03 PM

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Pattern-matching website in answer, potentially problematic ns configuration in answer (81): Where to search for conferences and workshops in computer science? by J. Anbu on academia.SE

I just saw "warranted" word-wrapped into "war-ranted" and took a moment to make sense of it...

1:16 PM

@Bookends Adobe InDesign is notorious for unnecessary word-wrapping...

1:34 PM

Is there a meta post about why a post is marked as spam when it's self-deleted?

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword with email in body (64): Ищу Matlab programmer (data exploration, statistics, elements of machine learning) by user327078 on ru.stackoverflow.com

@Asuna The spam mask shows up on any post with a helpful spam or R/A flag, even though it may not have been deleted as spam or abuse.

Red flags are automatically validated upon deletion for any reason

That last part is what I was looking for. That seems like it has a massive abuse potential

Q: Don't invalidate spam or abuse flags upon review deletion

10

This post was a blatant spam post, initially seeming like a bare link to a Google Drive file, but that was actually a misleading link that went to a spam site (the actual link URL was different from the link title). Initially, I didn't mouse over the link, and reviewed it as "Recommend Deletion"...

feature-request review spam low-quality-posts

invalidate is not the same as validate

also meta.stackexchange.com/a/273402/332043

Relevant context

1:46 PM

This represents a bug, however. According to this spam and abuse flags are not supposed to be validated when the author deletes a post. The fact that it did means that it's a bug. — gparyani 16 secs ago

Gonna make a report then

@Asuna By the way, my request body there requests this feature for any type of deletion.

delv-pls 20k+ meta.stackexchange.com/questions/324004/…

Report up

@Asuna The -100 rep penalty only takes place if the post is actually deleted as spam or abuse by Community

I thought that happened if the flag was validated in general?

1:54 PM

@Asuna No; the mask criteria are different from usual.

oki, removed that part.

Should it be tagged with [spam] too?

@Asuna No, not according to its tag wiki.

Oki. Just gotta ask, I don't post much on meta ^^"

fbueckert

2:22 PM

Well, it was nice while it lasted. Back down to -30.

Oh, this's just great. Didn't notice this before.

thehackernews.com/2019/02/hack-android-with-image.html

seems we are back at "Yay! Virus images!"

user302202

my brother, the English grad student: “I just realized that painstaking is pains-taking and not pain-staking” tbh my mind also blown

Tweeted by dobbleobble on February 9, 2019 at 7:30 PM

appropriately word-wrapped onebox.

Doesn't show as word-wrapped for me...

oh wait, I forgot the size of onebox is related to the window's size...

2:31 PM

for me it wraps at mind/also

@JohnDvorak Yep, zoomed out to 100% DPI on a 1080p screen and I get the same wrapping. I normally use 125% DPI on 1080p

which means a viewport of 1536px

I put the taskbar on the left, that's why...

Do you wear a watchmaker's lens on your face all day?

@JohnDvorak What?

A monocle

2:34 PM

so, 1800px is a good approximate...

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in body (97): How can I finish rooting an unlocked Blu J1 dual1.3 Marsh 6.0 phone with Win7 ✏️ by Tsaza on superuser.com

@JohnDvorak some people wear two....

That's unusual. Do you have a photo?

(and don't try showing me binocles instead)

user302202

A self-fixing bug: a user is surprised their profile does not have a "Meta User" link. Takes a screenshot and goes to meta to report. Once meta is visited, a meta profile is created and now "Meta User" appears.

user302202

Is there a name for a kind of problems that are solved merely by describing them?

2:45 PM

Sounds like a rubber ducking by description

heisenbug also fits

user302202

no giant onebox twitter.com/miyagawa/status/1095789950077816832

user302202

Twitter keeps talking about English vs other languages on SO.

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword with email in body (64): Do you want to learn Italian at a very low price? by Laura Angeli on italian.SE

SO is still English-only, JASO is japanese only, CZSO doesn't exist...

user302202

The fact that SO scaled down / abandoned internationalization seems unnoticed.

user302202

2:49 PM

And of course Jeff is still in charge as far as Internet is aware.

user302202

SO should launch a site in British. Con: growing pain to be staked, like questions about favourite IDE colours. Pro: not being buried under 10 years worth of outdated answers.

3:15 PM

@miyagawa FYI there were plans to start the DE/JA sites back in 2011: https://meta.stackexchange.com/a/92610/377214. Those fell through because SE realized starting a new foreign-language site would burden their resources: https://area51.meta.stackexchange.com/q/20987/85155. Even today, the Meta site gets lots of localization bug reports.

Tweeted by sonic_gparyani on February 15, 2019 at 3:15 PM in reply to miyagawa

Con: immediate demands for a breakoff Scottish site

@Shog9 Or Northern Irish

@Mrs.Robinson yeah, this was a funny case :)

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword with email in body (64): Looking for veterans of the Space Race by CodexofRome on space.SE

Q: What is the hearing equivalent of behold?

@Shog9 and Wales. In my experience Welsh accents are something to behold

It sounds exactly like English, only I can't understand any of the words....

user302202

3:30 PM

26

According to the Oxford definition of behold it only applies to seeing and not to hearing. be·hold /bəˈhōld/ verb archaic literary verb: behold; 3rd person present: beholds; past tense: beheld; past participle: beheld; gerund or present participle: beholding see or observ...

verbs

googles "welsh facial expressions"

regrets it

MEE is Johann Gambolputty ...

@Mrs.Robinson have fun, just search "How to detect if a string is a valid date in javascript" on SO

tons of dupes, tons of totally wrong accepted answers

usual accepted answer is something like

> moment.("the string").isValid()

most answers are in the 100votes range.

@Derpy erm, I get only 8 results?

stackoverflow.com/…

first (Date.Parse does not suffice), second (again .Parse) ... let me see if I can find the rest, may not have been the exact query I made yesterday.

I know I had to browse at least 5 different wrong answers before finding out that the Moment.js library also supported a way to force strict format match instead of failing back to Date.Parse on errors (which means that moment("hello world") returns today date)

rene

3:48 PM

I'm a bit puzzled by these stackoverrun questions: meta.stackexchange.com/questions/324009/… and I already raised an custom flag as well as I suspect ill-intent. Is closing against the canonical for scrapers correct?

@Derpy because it's one of those questions that has no right answer unless further constrained.

Kepotx

I just delete my question, as it was in fact a duplicate of another Soverrun question (i don't kno why i didn't found this question, i made research before posting it)

Are you accepting user input interactively? Trying to recognize dates in free-form documents? Parsing JSON? Some other format with, say, well-defined date formats? Just trying to reliably round-trip dates via a text transport?

...Do you have to support Safari?...

All of that changes what a "correct" answer can look like.

@Shog9 To be fair, Shog, suggesting to just use moment(stringValue) to check if the string is a valid date is always wrong imo. As I said moment("hello") returns the current date....

But of course, if the question doesn't specify - worse, if the asker assumes that there are a finite number of well-defined date formats that are never ambiguous - you get kind of useless answers.

3:53 PM

so moment("hello").isValid() returns true

@Derpy which is irrelevant if you know that your input will never be anything other than, say, Date().toISOString()

Heck, it might be totally ok if you're allowing folks to enter dates interactively - as long as you provide solid feedback as to which date they've actually selected, reasonable constraints as to which dates can be selected, etc.

And for that scenario you want both of those things anyway, because 1/2/30 probably should be a valid input but could be interpreted as several very different dates - so you need the user to confirm that what you guessed is what they actually meant.

OTOH, if you're parsing dates out of a JSON file, that almost certainly shouldn't be recognized as a date at all.

If you're trying to pick dates out of an email to automatically generate reminders, you probably want to put some constraints on how the dates can be interpreted.

"probably not an email about an event in 1930, so interpret two-digit date as 2030. Sender is in UK, so probably February not January"

@Kepotx the URL can only be searched by using url:stackoverrun keyword.

@Shog9 To be fair, I am also worried about the fact that that way to use the constructor is considered deprecated (see here ) so.. yep, it is basically how you described. You can use it to convert an ISO compliant date string to a date object, but not to check if a string is a valid date.

MEE is Johann Gambolputty ...

4:19 PM

I'm wondering... is answering a policy question on per-child meta as non-regular discouraged?

@Bookends I would say it depends. If it is a network-wide policy and you know enough to answer it, then go ahead, otherwise I would rather not do it.

4:50 PM

cv-pls meta.stackexchange.com/questions/324010/…

Feeds

5:01 PM

Help, I set my white balance wrong and suddenly everyone is screaming at each other about whether they've been to Colorado.

user302202

5:17 PM

and 26, 27, 28 are not prime either. A special case of n!+2, n!+3, n!+4, ..., n!+n all being composite - easiest proof that the gaps between consecutive primes can be arbitrarily large.

Kevin B

:meh:

user302202

Yeah, it's more interesting to show there are infinitely many non-large prime gaps.

user302202

Looks like 246 is the current unconditional record: there are infinitely many pairs of primes with difference <= 246.

5:39 PM

What a coincidence meta.stackexchange.com/questions/324011/…

Are Stack Exchange staff able to see drafts? — Sonic the Introverted Hedgehog 1 min ago

keep reading, my answer will tell you they can

@ArtOfCode Proof?

-_-

why does everything need proof

Is there a documented case where SE staff used the ability to see a draft?

Fundamentally, the network log seems to indicate that drafts are saved on the server. If they're on the server, then someone at SE must have access.

5:43 PM

@ArtOfCode To be clear here, I'm referring to users with the staff bit being able to easily see drafts through the UI, not by manually accessing the database.

Then make that clear.

Not all users with the staff bit have database access

Also, Robert's answer already answers that one too:

> There is no interface to see a saved draft of a post.

@SonictheIntrovertedHedgehog Not to my knowledge, unless you have core dev access and dig into the deepest bowels of raw database storage. There's no interface to see that stuff; it's temporary scrap storage. There's no reasonable use case to explore it. — Robert Cartaino ♦ 36 secs ago

Rand al'Thor

@SonictheIntrovertedHedgehog Why do you care? :-)

5:45 PM

@Randal'Thor Because if so, that would constitute "proof"

Rand al'Thor

@SonictheIntrovertedHedgehog I mean, why do you care about finding "proof" for this?

SE staff probably have a whole lot of powers that the rest of us will never know about.

Kevin B

the only proof you need is the fact that the question body gets sent to the server while it's still a draft

it's therefore "possible"

Undo

6:05 PM

I'd bet you can pull drafts out of InternalSEDE, unless they're stored outside of the database

user302202

Given that they get discarded after a period of time, this suggests a storage different from InternalSEDE where nothing gets really deleted.

The drafts are on volatile memory? :O

Undo

6:23 PM

@Mrs.Robinson You can drop stuff from SQL pretty easily. I bet they're either in SQL or Redis

Redis makes a lot of sense, but not sure how it handles big strings

Has to be pretty good at it

6:49 PM

@Undo redis

rene

that ^

7:42 PM

sd why

Travis J

8:10 PM

@Shog9 - I was curious about whether this situation was by design or not: I wrote a Question, and then also a self answer. I lost power. The draft for the question was saved. The draft for the answer was completely lost.

(or if anyone else knows)

Undo

@TravisJ Reproduced this on SO, doesn't look like it even tries to save the answer draft

Travis J

Okay, so technically its by design. Maybe I will FR at some point.

Luckily the work I lost was really small.

8:26 PM

The only quote I could find

> Drafts are not supported on self-answer. -- since 2010

apparently written by the SO dev at that time...