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SmokeDetector
00:53
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Link at end of answer (60): Use two passive CPU coolers on one single CPU? by William Sun on engineering.SE
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Link at end of answer (60): How to determine the time it'll take a mass of aluminum to absorb a specific amount of heat from a gas flowing through an undulating cavity in it by William Sun on engineering.SE
Journeyman Geek
Journeyman Geek
Hm. Not really sure if it's worth fixing but registering on a new site on mobile web is... Less than obvious
Bookends
Bookends
01:46
ISO 86010 then...
SmokeDetector
SmokeDetector
02:24
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Offensive answer detected, toxic answer detected (160): Howto install Oracle OCI8 instantclient on Ubuntu 18.04 by Magna Centipede on serverfault.com
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Pattern-matching product name in body, blacklisted user (168): What is your idea about INTRODUCING THE SORUSH CANCER TREATMENT PROTOCOL (SCTP) by Dr. Sorush Niknamian on academia.SE
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Link at end of answer, potentially bad keyword in answer (61): Can I make handmade invitation cards on a tight budget? by jomaryabad on crafts.SE
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword with a link in answer, blacklisted website in answer, link at end of answer (231): How much buffer room is required for a varistor? by yuehuazz on electronics.SE
 
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SmokeDetector
SmokeDetector
04:35
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Manually reported answer (94): iPhone 5 locked to Japanese network KDDI by Devin Hugo on apple.SE
user302202
04:56
For some users, the time they quit is when reputation mostly stops growing. For others, it's when it starts.
user302202
user image
user302202
(In reference to the Stack Exchange account stackexchange.com/users/1053898/kiss-my-armpit)
SmokeDetector
SmokeDetector
06:02
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Manually reported question (93): At the factor whilst in a while the mistaken by user321281 on apple.SE
SmokeDetector
SmokeDetector
06:28
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Link at end of answer (60): Chromium widevine doesnt work on Ubuntu 17.04 by Rahul Rajput on askubuntu.com
 
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Derpy
Derpy
08:19
Morning
Bookends
Bookends
Morning
Derpy
Derpy
seems the room is pretty empty right now.
Mithrandir
Mithrandir
morning
Tinkeringbell
Tinkeringbell
MORNING!
^ To fill some emptiness
Derpy
Derpy
08:38
been thinking.
Tinkeringbell
Tinkeringbell
Do I want to know about what? :)
Mithrandir
Mithrandir
it's Derpy, so probably ponies
Derpy
Derpy
what if we start autodeleting news accounts after one or two weeks if they have no activity?
Journeyman Geek
Journeyman Geek
News accounts?
Mithrandir
Mithrandir
Accounts are deleted after a while if they've existed and have had no participation.
Derpy
Derpy
08:42
@Mithrandir you sure? How long does that take?
Mithrandir
Mithrandir
*shrugs* Few months?
Derpy
Derpy
... ugh. If that's the case, I think that "safety period" could really use a cut.
Journeyman Geek
Journeyman Geek
@Mithrandir I'm actually a bit unclear over whether that is done
It was, then it wasn't
Tinkeringbell
Tinkeringbell
What counts as 'no participation'? If I have an account, and log in from time to time but don't ask/answer/propose edits (and can't vote yet).. does it get deleted?
Journeyman Geek
Journeyman Geek
Hopefully no
Mithrandir
Mithrandir
08:46
AFAIK no
Journeyman Geek
Journeyman Geek
Stuff like my insurance spammers never log in after creation though
Sonic the Introverted Hedgehog
Sonic the Introverted Hedgehog
delv-pls 20k+ meta.stackexchange.com/questions/323984/…
@Derpy There was proposed to be a 2-year waiting period before deleting accounts with no activity whatsoever; not sure if it rolled out.
delv-pls 20k+ meta.stackexchange.com/questions/323983/…
cv-pls meta.stackexchange.com/questions/323990/…
Derpy
Derpy
@Tinkeringbell I don't know how it works right now, but that was my idea. If you don't post and/or propose any edit in a 2 weeks lapse after joining, then probably you don't need the account and it can be deleted.
Tinkeringbell
Tinkeringbell
09:06
@Derpy I had an SO account for much longer, before I started posting on IPS ;)
Would anonymous votes count?
Bookends
Bookends
09:18
@Derpy my 'favorite' list ;_;
Derpy
Derpy
09:37
@Bookends doubt anyone would create an account just for that.
SmokeDetector
SmokeDetector
10:10
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Pattern-matching website in answer (80): Построение эффективной CI/CD инфраструктуры с нуля начинающему devops инженеру by Татьяна Радужная on ru.stackoverflow.com
Derpy
Derpy
10:31
ooohhhh... what a NICE discover....
Magisch
Magisch
I'm going to hell for abusing STUFF and XML path queries :p
Derpy
Derpy
Don't worry, they will be busy laughing at the question I am thinking to post.
Bookends
Bookends
HAHAHAHAHAHA
Journeyman Geek
Journeyman Geek
@Magisch here is your complimentary hand basket and good intention paving bricks....
Derpy
Derpy
anyone knows if the full text of the OLD Terms of Service document is available anywhere?
Magisch
Magisch
10:42
google cache, probably
Derpy
Derpy
... mumble.. searching that specific line on google... lot of results from multiple sites ToS. Seems they used a standard document
Weird. Wonder if that was removed on purpose in the new revision.
what to do... what to do....
Journeyman Geek
Journeyman Geek
11:09
Could try way back machine if you can find the url it was on
Derpy
Derpy
that's an idea.
ohhhhhh, this will be even more FUN(©Bay 12 Games)....
Shree
Shree
cv-pls bug off-topic How can I Change Opencart theme to my Existing Website Karan Bhalla PMO?‭ - Karan Bhalla PMO‭ 2019-02-15 11:10:13Z
SmokeDetector
SmokeDetector
11:29
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Pattern-matching website in answer (80): On which name should home loan disbursement should have been prepared by anish natwar on money.SE
Derpy
Derpy
and the first part is there....
0
Q: Did the new ToS revoke the old Ask Ubuntu elevated status?

SPArchaeologistLooking back at the old Terms of Service, I noticed they used to contain a special paragraph about Ask Ubuntu. When accessing the askubuntu.com, meta.askubuntu.com, or chat.askubuntu.com sites ("AskUbuntu"), Subscriber will also abide by the most current Ubuntu Code of Conduct, which can be f...

discussion legal terms-of-service
Derpy
Derpy
11:54
apparently, I should have keep the question for next Winter bash Event.
If it keeps going, may be worth of a Sun Wukong hat. :P
(and this is not even my full power the weirdest question I planned to post)
Bookends
Bookends
12:16
> Having said that, I just reinstated your comment because it's Friday, and I just had a doughnut for breakfast.
Magisch
Magisch
12:28
I just did a row number partition subquery in a subquery in a subquery inside a query with multiple such subqueries
SmokeDetector
SmokeDetector
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Pattern-matching website in answer, potentially bad keyword in answer (81): How to tell if battery is fully charged? by shafiq sahil on electronics.SE
Magisch
Magisch
And liberal use of XML path STUFF constructs
Tinkeringbell
Tinkeringbell
As long as it worked ;)
Magisch
Magisch
It does, although I have no idea how
SmokeDetector
SmokeDetector
13:03
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Pattern-matching website in answer, potentially problematic ns configuration in answer (81): Where to search for conferences and workshops in computer science? by J. Anbu on academia.SE
Bookends
Bookends
I just saw "warranted" word-wrapped into "war-ranted" and took a moment to make sense of it...
Sonic the Introverted Hedgehog
Sonic the Introverted Hedgehog
13:16
@Bookends Adobe InDesign is notorious for unnecessary word-wrapping...
Asuna
Asuna
13:34
Is there a meta post about why a post is marked as spam when it's self-deleted?
SmokeDetector
SmokeDetector
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword with email in body (64): Ищу Matlab programmer (data exploration, statistics, elements of machine learning) by user327078 on ru.stackoverflow.com
Sonic the Introverted Hedgehog
Sonic the Introverted Hedgehog
@Asuna The spam mask shows up on any post with a helpful spam or R/A flag, even though it may not have been deleted as spam or abuse.
Red flags are automatically validated upon deletion for any reason
Asuna
Asuna
That last part is what I was looking for. That seems like it has a massive abuse potential
Sonic the Introverted Hedgehog
Sonic the Introverted Hedgehog
10
Q: Don't invalidate spam or abuse flags upon review deletion

Sonic the Introverted HedgehogThis post was a blatant spam post, initially seeming like a bare link to a Google Drive file, but that was actually a misleading link that went to a spam site (the actual link URL was different from the link title). Initially, I didn't mouse over the link, and reviewed it as "Recommend Deletion"...

feature-request review spam low-quality-posts
Asuna
Asuna
invalidate is not the same as validate
also meta.stackexchange.com/a/273402/332043
Relevant context
Sonic the Introverted Hedgehog
Sonic the Introverted Hedgehog
13:46
This represents a bug, however. According to this spam and abuse flags are not supposed to be validated when the author deletes a post. The fact that it did means that it's a bug. — gparyani 16 secs ago
Asuna
Asuna
Gonna make a report then
Sonic the Introverted Hedgehog
Sonic the Introverted Hedgehog
@Asuna By the way, my request body there requests this feature for any type of deletion.
delv-pls 20k+ meta.stackexchange.com/questions/324004/…
Asuna
Asuna
Report up
Sonic the Introverted Hedgehog
Sonic the Introverted Hedgehog
@Asuna The -100 rep penalty only takes place if the post is actually deleted as spam or abuse by Community
Asuna
Asuna
I thought that happened if the flag was validated in general?
Sonic the Introverted Hedgehog
Sonic the Introverted Hedgehog
13:54
@Asuna No; the mask criteria are different from usual.
Asuna
Asuna
oki, removed that part.
Should it be tagged with [spam] too?
Sonic the Introverted Hedgehog
Sonic the Introverted Hedgehog
@Asuna No, not according to its tag wiki.
Asuna
Asuna
Oki. Just gotta ask, I don't post much on meta ^^"
fbueckert
fbueckert
14:22
Well, it was nice while it lasted. Back down to -30.
Derpy
Derpy
Oh, this's just great. Didn't notice this before.
thehackernews.com/2019/02/hack-android-with-image.html
seems we are back at "Yay! Virus images!"
user302202
my brother, the English grad student: “I just realized that painstaking is pains-taking and not pain-staking” tbh my mind also blown
Tweeted by dobbleobble on February 9, 2019 at 7:30 PM
Bookends
Bookends
appropriately word-wrapped onebox.
Sonic the Introverted Hedgehog
Sonic the Introverted Hedgehog
Doesn't show as word-wrapped for me...
Bookends
Bookends
oh wait, I forgot the size of onebox is related to the window's size...
John Dvorak
John Dvorak
14:31
for me it wraps at mind/also
Sonic the Introverted Hedgehog
Sonic the Introverted Hedgehog
@JohnDvorak Yep, zoomed out to 100% DPI on a 1080p screen and I get the same wrapping. I normally use 125% DPI on 1080p
which means a viewport of 1536px
Bookends
Bookends
I put the taskbar on the left, that's why...
John Dvorak
John Dvorak
Do you wear a watchmaker's lens on your face all day?
Sonic the Introverted Hedgehog
Sonic the Introverted Hedgehog
@JohnDvorak What?
John Dvorak
John Dvorak
A monocle
Bookends
Bookends
14:34
so, 1800px is a good approximate...
SmokeDetector
SmokeDetector
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in body (97): How can I finish rooting an unlocked Blu J1 dual1.3 Marsh 6.0 phone with Win7 ✏️ by Tsaza on superuser.com
Journeyman Geek
Journeyman Geek
@JohnDvorak some people wear two....
John Dvorak
John Dvorak
That's unusual. Do you have a photo?
(and don't try showing me binocles instead)
user302202
A self-fixing bug: a user is surprised their profile does not have a "Meta User" link. Takes a screenshot and goes to meta to report. Once meta is visited, a meta profile is created and now "Meta User" appears.
user302202
Is there a name for a kind of problems that are solved merely by describing them?
John Dvorak
John Dvorak
14:45
Sounds like a rubber ducking by description
heisenbug also fits
user302202
no giant onebox twitter.com/miyagawa/status/1095789950077816832
user302202
Twitter keeps talking about English vs other languages on SO.
SmokeDetector
SmokeDetector
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword with email in body (64): Do you want to learn Italian at a very low price? by Laura Angeli on italian.SE
John Dvorak
John Dvorak
SO is still English-only, JASO is japanese only, CZSO doesn't exist...
user302202
The fact that SO scaled down / abandoned internationalization seems unnoticed.
user302202
14:49
And of course Jeff is still in charge as far as Internet is aware.
user302202
SO should launch a site in British. Con: growing pain to be staked, like questions about favourite IDE colours. Pro: not being buried under 10 years worth of outdated answers.
Sonic the Introverted Hedgehog
Sonic the Introverted Hedgehog
15:15
@miyagawa FYI there were plans to start the DE/JA sites back in 2011: https://meta.stackexchange.com/a/92610/377214. Those fell through because SE realized starting a new foreign-language site would burden their resources: https://area51.meta.stackexchange.com/q/20987/85155. Even today, the Meta site gets lots of localization bug reports.
Tweeted by sonic_gparyani on February 15, 2019 at 3:15 PM in reply to miyagawa
Shog9
Shog9
Con: immediate demands for a breakoff Scottish site
Sonic the Introverted Hedgehog
Sonic the Introverted Hedgehog
@Shog9 Or Northern Irish
Bookends
Bookends
@Mrs.Robinson yeah, this was a funny case :)
SmokeDetector
SmokeDetector
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword with email in body (64): Looking for veterans of the Space Race by CodexofRome on space.SE
Journeyman Geek
Journeyman Geek
@Shog9 and Wales. In my experience Welsh accents are something to behold
It sounds exactly like English, only I can't understand any of the words....
user302202
15:30
26
Q: What is the hearing equivalent of behold?

aaronmanAccording to the Oxford definition of behold it only applies to seeing and not to hearing. be·hold /bəˈhōld/ verb archaic literary verb: behold; 3rd person present: beholds; past tense: beheld; past participle: beheld; gerund or present participle: beholding see or observ...

verbs
Shog9
Shog9
googles "welsh facial expressions"
regrets it
Derpy
Derpy
@Mrs.Robinson have fun, just search "How to detect if a string is a valid date in javascript" on SO
tons of dupes, tons of totally wrong accepted answers
usual accepted answer is something like
> moment.("the string").isValid()
most answers are in the 100votes range.
MEE is Johann Gambolputty ...
MEE is Johann Gambolputty ...
@Derpy erm, I get only 8 results?
stackoverflow.com/…
Derpy
Derpy
first (Date.Parse does not suffice), second (again .Parse) ... let me see if I can find the rest, may not have been the exact query I made yesterday.
I know I had to browse at least 5 different wrong answers before finding out that the Moment.js library also supported a way to force strict format match instead of failing back to Date.Parse on errors (which means that moment("hello world") returns today date)
rene
rene
15:48
I'm a bit puzzled by these stackoverrun questions: meta.stackexchange.com/questions/324009/… and I already raised an custom flag as well as I suspect ill-intent. Is closing against the canonical for scrapers correct?
Shog9
Shog9
@Derpy because it's one of those questions that has no right answer unless further constrained.
Kepotx
Kepotx
I just delete my question, as it was in fact a duplicate of another Soverrun question (i don't kno why i didn't found this question, i made research before posting it)
Shog9
Shog9
Are you accepting user input interactively? Trying to recognize dates in free-form documents? Parsing JSON? Some other format with, say, well-defined date formats? Just trying to reliably round-trip dates via a text transport?
...Do you have to support Safari?...
All of that changes what a "correct" answer can look like.
Derpy
Derpy
@Shog9 To be fair, Shog, suggesting to just use moment(stringValue) to check if the string is a valid date is always wrong imo. As I said moment("hello") returns the current date....
Shog9
Shog9
But of course, if the question doesn't specify - worse, if the asker assumes that there are a finite number of well-defined date formats that are never ambiguous - you get kind of useless answers.
Derpy
Derpy
15:53
so moment("hello").isValid() returns true
Shog9
Shog9
@Derpy which is irrelevant if you know that your input will never be anything other than, say, Date().toISOString()
Heck, it might be totally ok if you're allowing folks to enter dates interactively - as long as you provide solid feedback as to which date they've actually selected, reasonable constraints as to which dates can be selected, etc.
And for that scenario you want both of those things anyway, because 1/2/30 probably should be a valid input but could be interpreted as several very different dates - so you need the user to confirm that what you guessed is what they actually meant.
OTOH, if you're parsing dates out of a JSON file, that almost certainly shouldn't be recognized as a date at all.
If you're trying to pick dates out of an email to automatically generate reminders, you probably want to put some constraints on how the dates can be interpreted.
"probably not an email about an event in 1930, so interpret two-digit date as 2030. Sender is in UK, so probably February not January"
Bookends
Bookends
@Kepotx the URL can only be searched by using url:stackoverrun keyword.
Derpy
Derpy
@Shog9 To be fair, I am also worried about the fact that that way to use the constructor is considered deprecated (see here ) so.. yep, it is basically how you described. You can use it to convert an ISO compliant date string to a date object, but not to check if a string is a valid date.
Bookends
Bookends
16:19
I'm wondering... is answering a policy question on per-child meta as non-regular discouraged?
MEE is Johann Gambolputty ...
MEE is Johann Gambolputty ...
@Bookends I would say it depends. If it is a network-wide policy and you know enough to answer it, then go ahead, otherwise I would rather not do it.
Sonic the Introverted Hedgehog
Sonic the Introverted Hedgehog
16:50
cv-pls meta.stackexchange.com/questions/324010/…
Feeds
Feeds
17:01
Help, I set my white balance wrong and suddenly everyone is screaming at each other about whether they've been to Colorado.
user302202
17:17
and 26, 27, 28 are not prime either. A special case of n!+2, n!+3, n!+4, ..., n!+n all being composite - easiest proof that the gaps between consecutive primes can be arbitrarily large.
Kevin B
Kevin B
:meh:
user302202
Yeah, it's more interesting to show there are infinitely many non-large prime gaps.
user302202
Looks like 246 is the current unconditional record: there are infinitely many pairs of primes with difference <= 246.
Sonic the Introverted Hedgehog
Sonic the Introverted Hedgehog
17:39
What a coincidence meta.stackexchange.com/questions/324011/…
ArtOfCode
ArtOfCode
Are Stack Exchange staff able to see drafts? — Sonic the Introverted Hedgehog 1 min ago
keep reading, my answer will tell you they can
Sonic the Introverted Hedgehog
Sonic the Introverted Hedgehog
@ArtOfCode Proof?
ArtOfCode
ArtOfCode
-_-
why does everything need proof
Sonic the Introverted Hedgehog
Sonic the Introverted Hedgehog
Is there a documented case where SE staff used the ability to see a draft?
ArtOfCode
ArtOfCode
Fundamentally, the network log seems to indicate that drafts are saved on the server. If they're on the server, then someone at SE must have access.
Sonic the Introverted Hedgehog
Sonic the Introverted Hedgehog
17:43
@ArtOfCode To be clear here, I'm referring to users with the staff bit being able to easily see drafts through the UI, not by manually accessing the database.
ArtOfCode
ArtOfCode
Then make that clear.
Sonic the Introverted Hedgehog
Sonic the Introverted Hedgehog
Not all users with the staff bit have database access
ArtOfCode
ArtOfCode
Also, Robert's answer already answers that one too:
> There is no interface to see a saved draft of a post.
Sonic the Introverted Hedgehog
Sonic the Introverted Hedgehog
@SonictheIntrovertedHedgehog Not to my knowledge, unless you have core dev access and dig into the deepest bowels of raw database storage. There's no interface to see that stuff; it's temporary scrap storage. There's no reasonable use case to explore it. — Robert Cartaino ♦ 36 secs ago
Rand al'Thor
Rand al'Thor
@SonictheIntrovertedHedgehog Why do you care? :-)
Sonic the Introverted Hedgehog
Sonic the Introverted Hedgehog
17:45
@Randal'Thor Because if so, that would constitute "proof"
Rand al'Thor
Rand al'Thor
@SonictheIntrovertedHedgehog I mean, why do you care about finding "proof" for this?
SE staff probably have a whole lot of powers that the rest of us will never know about.
Kevin B
Kevin B
the only proof you need is the fact that the question body gets sent to the server while it's still a draft
it's therefore "possible"
Undo
Undo
18:05
I'd bet you can pull drafts out of InternalSEDE, unless they're stored outside of the database
user302202
Given that they get discarded after a period of time, this suggests a storage different from InternalSEDE where nothing gets really deleted.
Bookends
Bookends
The drafts are on volatile memory? :O
Undo
Undo
18:23
@Mrs.Robinson You can drop stuff from SQL pretty easily. I bet they're either in SQL or Redis
Redis makes a lot of sense, but not sure how it handles big strings
Has to be pretty good at it
ArtOfCode
ArtOfCode
18:49
@Undo redis
rene
rene
that ^
Asuna
Asuna
19:42
sd why
Travis J
Travis J
20:10
@Shog9 - I was curious about whether this situation was by design or not: I wrote a Question, and then also a self answer. I lost power. The draft for the question was saved. The draft for the answer was completely lost.
(or if anyone else knows)
Undo
Undo
@TravisJ Reproduced this on SO, doesn't look like it even tries to save the answer draft
Travis J
Travis J
Okay, so technically its by design. Maybe I will FR at some point.
Luckily the work I lost was really small.
Bookends
Bookends
20:26
The only quote I could find
> Drafts are not supported on self-answer. -- since 2010
apparently written by the SO dev at that time...
Shog9
Shog9
21:05
@TravisJ worked for me; you sure you had it up long enough for auto-save to kick in?
M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ
M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ
I have had long-winded self-answers and their drafts were saved
Erratically but still
status-one-third-repro
Travis J
Travis J
@Shog9 It was open for, mm, 20+ minutes? Is that long enough?
Shog9
Shog9
should be?
Travis J
Travis J
Going forward I will try to keep a closer eye on it to see if I can catch anything
rene
rene
Maybe draft saving only works with the employee bit set on your profile ...
Travis J
Travis J
21:16
Ooh, good point. Yeah, what rene said. It's not me, it's you. :P
rene
rene
I guess you can offer to be test subject ...
Bookends
Bookends
21:39
lol, I just got rate-limited for 20 seconds for posting comments and editing multiple posts at almost the same time XD
from the usual 5 seconds for editing 3 consecutive posts...
Travis J
Travis J
tsk tsk
Bookends
Bookends
That's the only way to prevent multiple delayed bump annoyance on the same Q&A thread with many answers :/
rene
rene
:7558531 I see what you did there ...
Bookends
Bookends
I googled android manifest expedia, the first result is 'The official Wikipedia Android app' >_>
user302202
22:51
Happy you say...
user302202
Roses are red Roses are red Roses are red Stack overflow error (Happy Valentine's Day)🌹❤️
Tweeted by PlasmaCaptain on February 14, 2019 at 11:18 PM
Bookends
Bookends
Happy Hour! Before I fall asleep!
user302202
I never noticed that entering something like 'developer jobs' into Google brings up a pretty elaborate dashboard...
user302202
user image
Kevin B
Kevin B
o/
Bookends
Bookends
22:59
🎉😴
user302202
23:10
on a friday (radiohead) - happy song
►
user302202
Happy Radiohead from before they were Radiohead

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