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10:00 AM
<3 lemme know when the foal is born so I can come camp with you <3
@YvetteColomb or this :p
@TelKitty I love that vid. would you believe I've seen it before?
10:05 AM
Yeah you probably have seen half of the horse videos on youtube :p
@YvetteColomb ooh, the little one's legs are better?
so much better! thanks for noticing
@YvetteColomb the way the Q and A are formed are kinda weird
10:09 AM
@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ weird how?
Maybe that's how a Pets thread should be, I dunno
@YvetteColomb it's like a question-answer amalgam
@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ oh the question is not clear?
Both the Q and A contain bits of a Q and A
> I am seeking veterinary help, but in the meantime was wondering if anyone had any knowledge about this.
Trivia: what is this graph?
(those who know Hebrew, don't spoil! ;))
10:11 AM
@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ oh - I think a lot of my horse posts are a bit like that.. they become stories almost
@ShadowWizard It's a SE image load spinner
@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ proxy!
@Derpy Smokey sees all
@ShadowWizard it's a graph of a proxy?
Oh, now it's a graph of image not found
Kinda ironic
10:13 AM
@Derpy haha
@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ like this pets.stackexchange.com/questions/19624/… and this pets.stackexchange.com/questions/15445/… and this pets.stackexchange.com/questions/18199/… they are very detailed. I hope that all the info can help others who may have similar situations
@ShadowWizard Reverse Image Search spoiled me...
@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ nope
@YvetteColomb yeah, amalgam. I mean, Martin likes posting extremely long answers on Chem, but those are different
@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ nope
10:14 AM
Like a booklet
@ShadowWizard nope
@ShadowWizard nope
@Derpy there are thousands of profile-only spammers. SE doesn't have enough employees to nuke them all, will simply take too much time.
@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ can you pinpoint a bit more what you mean? do you think they need improving?
@YvetteColomb No, I'm not saying there's anything wrong with them. I'm just saying it's not the form I'm used to
@ShadowWizard The tooltip on a news site says "The biggest economic bubbles in history"
So, it's a graph of tulip sales
I'm used to concrete, scientific nerdy questions and answers. Clear-cut
10:17 AM
@hey hey
@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ M.A.R.
@ShadowWizard Already said it. Give me a button and I will delete them for free whenever one catches my eye. :P
@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ @lame lame
@hey ಠ_ಠ
10:19 AM
@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ oh sure - but if you think they could be improved, I'm happy to hear it.
@Derpy you need a diamond, not a button... here you go!
@YvetteColomb all I know about horses is that they can kick you into fifth dimension
@ShadowWizard lolol
@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ only when they have horn
@ShadowWizard give me tick boxes and a button, and I will, to put it indelicately wipe em out like a cat on an island of flightless birds.
10:21 AM
@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ oh yeh - they can kick - I love them though and all the horses I have bar one came to me scared of people, I seem to love the challenge of making them love and trust me... they're amazing.. our pregnant girl wouldn't let me touch her when she arrived, now she seriously follows me around the paddock like a dog.. she's so cute..
A rather large and horse shaped shadow
Horse vs kangaroo?
10:22 AM
@hey in terms of?
Depends on the horse, or the kangaroo.
kangaroo kicks are funny, horse kicks not so much.
@ShadowWizard You mean Tom?
@hey oh kangaroos will attack you by clawing at you and kicking out in front. Horses will kick you from their rear. They can strike out with front legs. My little girl foal did that the other day (she didn't touch me) but I waved the naughty finger at her and told her we don't do that
10:27 AM
@Derpy yes Tom is good enough, I guess.
@ShadowWizard kangaroos can seriously injure you
@YvetteColomb any animal can, I guess.
It's all matter how well one can train/control the animals. :)
Slow loris also c............................................................................ a..........................................................
? ... ? .... ? ....... ?
your cat is on your keyboard?
10:30 AM
your dog?
@ShadowWizard nope - kangaroos cannot be domesticated (unless hand raised as joeys) they cannot be trained or controlled.
@YvetteColomb oh, too bad
Thinking about slow loris, turtle, or snail...
@ShadowWizard Does the staff accept fake diamonds too?
10:32 AM
I'm imagining a slow animal that will run away faster than a cheetah when annoyed
@ShadowWizard well our domesticated animals have been bred by man for centuries.. dogs, cats, horses, cattle.. they've been developed from the wild and totally transformed and are used to living with people. They're different from wild animals, that do not easily fit in with the human life style - usually not without inflicting some kind of cruel training methods i.e. elephants in circuses
@hey what's a "loris"? Googling
@Derpy no, they melt them down and make bracelets out of them.
Shog wears one, for sure.
@YvetteColomb yeah that's very true.... at least elephants are no longer in circuses as far as I know, at least not in Israel.
ugh, actually I wanted to refer to "sloth" from Zootopia, not "loris". But I only remembered the Indonesian for "loris", hence the wrong reference -_-
10:37 AM
@ShadowWizard yeh - it's diminishing
domesticating rabbits in Aussie...
@hey huh?
just speaking my mind out loud...
@YvetteColomb well, looks like horses are very dangerous too, but guess you know what you're doing! :-)
I watched on YouTube how rabbits became pests in Aussie..
10:41 AM
@ShadowWizard lolol I'm sure there's more injuries with horses. Most people don't get that close to kangaroos
@hey oh yes! they've caused all sort of damage to the land - erosion
@ShadowWizard I love that link
@YvetteColomb why?
@ShadowWizard horses kill more people than venoumous animals
10:46 AM
@YvetteColomb and some are even venomous too!
that's why you should stick to candy-colored pastel ponies instead.
@Derpy definitely :)
sd k
@Adam looks like the bug is spreading and becoming serious, any chance to take a look on this?
Q: Bug: Can't post or access my questions on Android Enthusiasts

JavaLearnerSo I asked a question on Android Enthusiasts and when it loaded, I had a different very long username, only on that site, and I am not the only one experiencing this bug, this is another one with the same problem The difference is, when I try to load the question, it says "failed to load". And I...

The third report in the last two days, surely there are many more who didn't bother to report but simply got away.
Something is borked in the app/API when it try to create a new account, you fixed something related in the past, hence I'm hoping you'll have a better clue as to what's going on.
11:48 AM
Dear Marvel/Disney.
in The Restaurant at the End of the Universe on The Stack Exchange Network Chat, 4 mins ago, by Derpy
the original Marvel Super Heroes game had both Blackheart and Shuma Gorath as available characters.
Why you didn't feature Shuma Gorath in Infinity War ;_;
12:23 PM
I suggest you should see a psychiatrist too @M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ your mental state seems to have been going down the drain recently
we are worried
12:36 PM
@TelKitty if you'll have to stick needles into your hand three times a week, you'll be in bad mental state too...
12:55 PM
I have the weird felling I have missed something while I was busy in the Sugarcube. Something that already got removed. Probably for the best.
@Derpy he said it in Den few times, and mentioned it here as well...
Apr 10 at 19:54, by M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ
I would keep rising against the system, but I feel dizzy after dialysis
@ShadowWizard Wait, what?
TL;DR: kidneys stopped working. Need dialysis three times a week. Waiting for kidney transplant.
@PrincessLuna ^
omg I feel bad now ...
nah, @M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ is cool.
He even love pings. Right? @M.A.R. ;)
1:01 PM
this explains a lot. Didn't know that.
Now you know. :)
@hey Someone said Zootopia? :3
@ShadowWizard Oh
@TelKitty yeah, me too
@PrincessLuna Do you like the movie?
I may or may not have watched it 6 times
Oh damn.
1:12 PM
Oh dam.
Oh da.
What can I tell ya, it's on netflix xD
@SmokeDetector ignore-
In November 2015, Administrator Bolden of NASA reaffirmed the goal of sending humans to Mars. He laid out 2030 as the date of a manned surface landing, and noted that planned 2020 Mars rover would support the human mission.
I am timing you
1:18 PM
> Editor's note: Charles Bolden resigned as NASA administrator on Jan. 20, 2017. This material is being kept online for historical purposes, but it will no longer be updated
That's a bold move from Charles Bolden.
@ShadowWizard see above ^ xD
1:34 PM
Seriously though, not sure why this gender inequality in tech thing is getting so much attention. It's probably an decoy to hiding the real issue - gross incompetence! The A.I. system looks like a piece of shit and manned Mars mission has been in the planning for the past 50 years. And shameless people has been boasting their pathetic 'intelligence'. Annoying!
@TelKitty uber is crappy company. I wasn't surprised their car is also crappy.
I am not against dumb people, they didn't ask to be born stupid, but I really can not stand ignorant retard who thinks very high of himself when in reality, he has created very little value and does not have the ability to create more.
Still, with 1 to 1000000 chance for mistake, I'll say it's x1000 safer than human drivers.
@ShadowWizard it's not about uber, it's about A.I. used in self driving cars
@TelKitty but it happened in uber car.
1:37 PM
A.I. is gendered too.
They probably didn't want to spend money on good AI
moving object detection is a small subset of problems facing self driving cars
lane detections, for example is another
Like, is there non-biased A.I.?
Anyway, these days anything mentioning both words "female" and "power" gets attention, either positive or negative. That's just how things are.
1:40 PM
@ShadowWizard do you know how self driving car works?
@TelKitty just like your autonomous (toy) car?
I have been playing around with a bit recently, I still do not know much, but I think I know slightly more than most people here
@TelKitty no, but I know it takes tons of money to develop it. And some people prefer to... not spend lots of money. Common sense. :)
And I wonder where those Google's self-driving cars went poof...
never heard news about them again
I think there was a fatal crash, then ... poof
1:44 PM
@hey no news is good news in this case. News are only when bad things happen.
But it didn't poof anywhere, e.g. zdnet.com/article/…
autonomous car is not hard to develop if you have trillions of dollars - just send a million cars to do brutal force driving through all possible locations many times - can even safe a bit money if you use satellites to help
get traffic authority to give you updates
@TelKitty driving is the easiest part.
Problem is object detection.
And what to do with it.
object detection would be ease if you have encountered it billions of times
:6882281 waiting for the user to be removed done
1:49 PM
the backbone of self driving car is machine learning, through tensorflow or something simiar
yet, image recognition can still be tricked by people
there are many instruments you can use to detect objections around the car
visible light is only one way to detect objects
there are other ways to detect distance and velocity of things around you - you need to pay more attentions to living creatures in the nature :p
2:28 PM
@Feeds somewhat sounds very very familiar
2:41 PM
@Derpy Hai :3
Monday morning and they're already breaking stuff:
We're reverting a bad Stack Overflow build now. ETA 90 seconds.
@Catija huh? What went wrong?
checking MSO
putting gas mask first
Q: Getting 'Oops! Something Bad Happened!'

Script47I'm trying to get on to the homepage but I keep getting this issue: Chrome: 66.0.3359.117 (Official Build) (64-bit) OS: Windows 10

taking gas mask off, bolting out of MSO
support... LOL
If that's not a bug, what is a bug???
trivial common sense.
MSO is so... weird.
3:07 PM
Man, five minutes of downtime and all of the critical tweets are swept out of Twitter search results, replaced with a wave of "Stack Overflow my savior please return!"
Why did not they think of that earlier...
Next time there's a Twitter storm enveloping SO, some SRE will get a call.
@Feeds Meh, Randall did that already in xkcd.com/1028
3:25 PM
Meanwhile, Joel blogs about Strange and maddening rules
> we could improve the prompts we provide on the “Ask Question” page, and we could provide more tools for community moderation of comments where the snark currently runs unchecked.
In 6-8 weeks years
> direct your questions to a private, smaller group of people on your own team
Like... Stack Overflow Academy team.
@rene I'm disappointed you didn't invite me to your party.
Party answered in the websockets answerrene 3 hours ago
@JeremyBanks this should be added to some Hall of Fame for chat messages. ;)
@bro there's really such a thing?? (Can't tell when you're joking and when you're not :))
It looks like SOA could work as a cheam, it if is viable in any form.
As for comments... a number of them proclaim that all that Stack Overflow is good for is debugging code. Kind of sad.
Hmmm... yeah, except we're not here to develop your application for you. We can help debug if you're stuck and don't know what's wrong with your code, but here you're just asking us to write code for you. — Jeremy Thille 36 mins ago
A typical example.
4:14 PM
These norms perpetuate; for example, I consider 3-point (triangle) color gradient in Python a decent question (the "library" at the end should be edited out) but it's a review audit as an example of "bad".
It's a question that other people may also have. But apparently, having an answer to it on Stack Overflow would be somehow harmful.
Nav 3.0 should have a setting "all I can do is look for typos in code, don't show me questions without code".
4:46 PM
/(stack ?overflow is|we are) not\b/i => 1 flag deletion
5:05 PM
Not really surprising, @Peter ignores requests to not edit questions that were just recently closed.
It's like asking someone not to breathe... edits are his very core. :D
"active reading" (whatever it means) should be "active bumping/wasting reviewers time".
FR: disable automatic reopen-after-edit on Meta... and maybe per-site metas.
@JeremyBanks SO is back online, critical tweets are back.
> That is so sad. I guess HN is the second most toxic community, right after @StackOverflow -- Dominic Monn at 9:57 AM - 23 Apr 2018
@ShadowWizard :/
@bro Pft, HN can't even get their criticism right.
5:13 PM
It should be "What kind of sadist are you to still be using MacOS in 2018?"
> We understood that this might mean that some of the more advanced people might grow bored with duplicate, simple questions, and move on. We thought that was fine: Stack Overflow doesn’t have to be a lifetime commitment. You’re welcome to get bored and move on if you think that the newbies keep asking why they can’t return local char arrays (“but it works for me!”) and you would rather devote the remaining short years of your life to something more productive, like sorting your record albums.
(Best result of working at Stack Overflow: it being the final straw to break me away from Macs.)
(from Joel's post). I never saw this position stated before.
> Even as we try to make Stack Overflow more friendly, our primary consideration at Stack Overflow has been to build the world’s greatest resource for software developers. The average programmer, in the world, has been helped by Stack Overflow 340 times. That’s the real end-game here.
> There are other resources for learning to program and getting help, but there’s only one site in the world that developers trust this much, and that is worth preserving—the programming equivalent to the Library of Congress.
5:19 PM
5:38 PM
@TelKitty Ô_o wonder what makes you say that
@JeremyBanks Wouldn't it be great if the Library of Congress was controlled by a financially unstable for-profit organization?
Well, my jokes have gotten a bit darker in other chats. I also joke more like the Joker
@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ Just be careful, you don't wanna end up in the punitentary :P
Pony tent, what?
@ShadowWizard they're uber crappy
5:55 PM
punitentary, not related to ponies
6:25 PM
Is there an ETA for the next build to production? I think I'm waiting for something better than 30013.
6:37 PM
sd fp
6:50 PM
sd tpu-
sd tpu-
@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ sometimes!
@PrincessLuna what is "punitentary"? (this is the top Google search result, not really explaining what it is...)
7:06 PM
oh wait... you meant "penitentiary"? @Pri
Also a word probably 90% of the people aren't familiar with (including native English speakers), but at least correct spelling.... :P
Penitentiary meaning prison?
Forensic psychatry?
sd tpu-
7:24 PM
@Catija prison for "big" crimes, yeah
Jail vs prison. :) I'm pretty sure that penitentiary is synonymous to prison. "Jail" is for small crimes. :)
@Catija huh, might be!
anyway.... @Princess meant she doesn't want @M.A.R. to end up like this:
Oh, by the way, I'm talking about something like this in my comment:
I couldn't find a round one in unicode.
oh lol
Do we have anything like that on SE?
Closest thing I can think of are the userboxes and the tag pop-outs... but we do use them.
7:29 PM
anyway, that character is used by browsers when the actual character isn't found, hence my confusion. @Catija
HA. :D
e.g. banana unicode when the OS doesn't have proper font... :)
Actually, the markdown editing help uses such a symbol in edit panes.
It has helper text but not a popup but it does link to the markdown help page.
Now we have both @hi and @hey, though the first doesn't ping as far as I can tell. ;)
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7:40 PM
@ShadowWizard punitentary is the penitentary you go to for puns. The typo was on purpose (punitentary) :3
Horrible puns*
Like that one XD
And speaking of strange deliveries, one of our moderators apparently sent a box of squirrels to one of our users. We might be officially endorsing this, but I need to check on the circumstances.
Unlike a box of spiders, which is a thing traditionally sent to employees.
7:44 PM
@ShadowWizard I know what pentation . . . That word means
@bro probably to Kyll (now named Paul). He is the in-house squirrel of SOCVR ....
A: Why do snakes not have eyelids?

callenMy teacher is making me do more work but I already said that snakes dont have eylids, They have a small scale on each eye so the eye will not dry out.

@ShadowWizard wow that's cool
FFS teacher, what more do you need
8:01 PM
> Laugh madly while the world burns (functionally equivalent to #2) meta.stackexchange.com/a/309344
Trivia: before hashcode.ru migrated to SE platform and became ru.SO, it had a limit on the number of comments one could leave (don't know the details.)
@user5389107 yeah, sounds like that might be worth a try. Send a spreadsheet or CSV to team@stackoverflow.com
"user5389107"?! These "clever" renamings are getting out of hand.
in Charcoal HQ on The Stack Exchange Network Chat, Apr 19 at 8:46, by Magisch
I'm retiring from SE for now. Not sure how permanent that'll be. Also not sure if I'll end up deleting my account or not. It's really hard to stay away from something that was part of your life for so long. Peace out.
@DoritoStyle to clarify: I didn't ignore your point, because I have no idea what your point was. I ignored the purpose of the question, since I felt it was based on a faulty premise. (I later addressed it in a different answer as a courtesy to the author).
(replying within a week as promised)
If you're still concerned about this, I highly recommend writing an answer to that question yourself; I suspect you'll have a much easier time communicating your concerns in the space of an answer than you had via comments (or chat).
8:16 PM
@Shog9 -1, needs to be 6-8
If I'd had more time, I would've procrastinated further
I vote Shog gets more vacation!
Seconded. All in favor?
Though, who knows... without Shog, the whole network might collapse ;)
or... experience a renaissance?
8:27 PM
> I officially earned the "Comment everywhere" privilege on @StackOverflow! Rest assured, I will be commenting.... EVERYWHERE. -- Joseph Kamien at 1:25 PM - 23 Apr 2018
Maybe the privilege should be renamed to "Comment rarely, only when needed"
"Comment judiciously"
Too fancy for ESL users
that rules out my next two suggestions, "kibitz" and "stick your nose in where it doesn't belong" privileges.
@Shog9 I don't suppose there's a way to see most flagged users in regards to comments?
8:35 PM
I can name a few if you want ...
@Catija not... readily
unless you never handle comment flags
That's what I figured. That might be a good first step, really. It's difficult to track users who have a lot of deleted/flagged comments if there's no where to actually see a list of them.
There is no CommentsWithDeleted table either... and if there was, it probably would not have UserId
There is... just... CM only.
there are barely any tools for comment moderation, much less analysis of such moderation
comments are the bastard stepchild of SE in just about every way
8:39 PM
And, maybe that's part of the problem we're dealing with now. :(
exception is probably notifications, where they've gotten more love than they probably should've
@Catija it's been a problem for years. No one wanted to do anything about it.
OK... poorly phrased statement...
Turning your back on a problem doesn't usually make it go away... and in this case, it seems to have made it get worse.
if you poke around meta, you'll find a tidy pile of feature-requests from past and present CMs all suggesting various strategies to make comments less of an issue. Behind the scenes, there's been literally months of concentrated discussion and brainstorming... That all went nowhere, save for the change to comment flags last year.
Sometimes, the only way to get things done is to let it get really bad first.
... so... is it bad enough yet?
only one way to find out...
If nothing changes in the next 6 months, the answer is "no"
8:44 PM
The devs can only do so much at once, right? To prioritize it, unless they can find an absurdly simple solution, they'll have to put a lot of other things on hold... possibly things that could be a source of income.
@Shog9 From what I've learned: "No comment, no issue."
tough balancing act. At what point do vile comments become a bigger liability than work on other things is able to offset?
I'm mostly trigger happy now :-P
It saddens me to think that someone's in SOHQ comparing twitter outbursts to SO traffic and seeing how much of a dampener they are to decide whether it's worth it to the company to fix the problem.
(I don't know that this is the case... but... it sort of follows)
8:48 PM
it's not quite that reactionary
Better and more granular and concise triggers may be?
@AdamLear No, I'm sure that the large percentage of SO users are completely unaware of what's being discussed on MSO and Twitter.
With a comment you're always personally in focus in 1st place
I think the discussion is very important and I would really love to see some change.
@Catija it's never that simple.
8:51 PM
@Catija no, I meant on our part. a single twitter explosion doesn't mean we immediately scramble to do SOMETHING ANYTHING OH GOD SOMEBODY HELP, ya know?
I know.
There are always more areas that could benefit from dev work than there are dev resources (much less associated design resources) to fulfill.
current status:
It's more like... When you're paying for school and paying for housing and making only a little money, and you have to carefully choose what you pay for and when you pay for it.
You might save money in the long-term by paying more up-front for housing, or cooking your own food instead of living on $0.89 hamburgers
but, if you pay more for housing then you can't pay tuition and your long-term employment prospects change
and if you take the time to cook then you don't have time to work and study
you can't not eat; you probably can't live in your car for very long either if the winter is cold
so you end up trying to pick one or two long-term priorities and make a bunch of sub-optimal decisions for everything else in order to preserve them
The answer is ramen. Cheap and doesn't take much time.
8:56 PM
@AdamLear I think that one reason it feels like that is the response on Twitter to Jeff's argument with April... I can completely respect how hard it must be to be in that situation and not have a solution... but there's not always a good solution that won't pull you away from something more critical.
But hard to learn to make them right (there's even a movie about that)
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Ramen_Girl
@Catija Response in general or from SO employees?
"right" doesn't enter the equation. i.gyazo.com/037e93f8a07f15ef84a6930e1e571312.png
@AdamLear Employees.
I got really good at optimizing my calorie intake when I was in school. Too much and I couldn't afford gas to drive to work; too little and I couldn't think straight.
8:58 PM
@bro Cough!!
mmm, shin ramyun black!
but, that stuff is almost the price of a hamburger

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