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7:00 PM
The problem is that -- especially when it comes to elections -- you really shouldn't trust anybody to say "this is noise and stupid".
 
Except moderators?
 
What was the URI to vote for or recommend new communities?
 
Thanks mates!
 
7:01 PM
@MichaelMrozek :P
 
@JustinjjnguyNelson no exception
 
@balpha Fair enough.
 
Just realize, I've been doing it wrong all these time
 
@MichaelMrozek TOO SLOW! No modship for you.
 
Gah, well I'll just take the lazy way out I suppose
 
7:04 PM
I typed area51.stackoverflow.com at first :(
 
Well, that might be a sign of commitment.
But I'm not convinced.
 
7:15 PM
Why doesn't google voice support international numbers yet... Sigh...
 
I AM SICK AND TIRED OF HELPING CUSTOMERS FIX OUTLOOK ISSUES
achem, sorry
 
@Josh: I agree. Outlook blows. And Customers blow. And everyone blows...
 
@Josh No pity from me; I'm getting tired of sabotaging your customer's Outlook setups just to ruin your day
 
@ircmaxell This one woman I keep going back and forth with and she's sending me inconsistent, incorrect information
@MichaelMrozek you and rchern, I tell you...
 
Yup, you have to love support...
 
7:17 PM
Ruining my day does not make me want to vote for you @MichaelMrozek...
;-)
 
@Josh It's ok, I'm sure the "making Josh sad" platform will bag me more upvotes than downvotes
 
ouch @MichaelMrozek, just ouch
 
Ah crap, obscure bug.
 
The "I'm better than Rich B platform" won the election for Will. So, SO users are ok with interesting platforms like that.
 
@jingguy: who isn't? That's like saying "I'm human, vote for me!"
 
7:24 PM
@Chester That's not completely true. Rich has made many positive contributions to the site. They just get overshadowed by how much of a dick he can/could be.
 
damnit, I find myself on skype trying to <ctrl><up><r> to respond to something in particular
 
@drachenstern I know, right? Hahah
 
damn you SOIS-chat team and rchern-timstone-yijiang for giving me wonderful playtoys that allow for better expression of my self and continuous thread tracking!!!
 
;)
 
@jingguy: I don't disagree he had positives, but the latter was so pathetic that it wasn't hard to be "better"...
 
7:25 PM
That's going to be my platform next year ... supporting the guys who give me wonderful playtoys
 
@Chester Ok. That is true.
 
dude, Kayak is starting to suck again..
no wait, that's my internet connection
 
Now this is unusual
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Q: PHP extended class not overriding function?

John IsaacksOn Class A I have this: protected function createTempTable() { $qry = ' CREATE TABLE `'.$this->temp_table.'` ( `style` VARCHAR( 255 ) NOT NULL , `description` VARCHAR( 255 ) NOT NULL , `metal` VARCHAR( 255 ) NOT NULL , `available` VARCHAR( 255 ...

Doesn't do that for me in my tests
 
I saw that
 
I wonder what's causing it?
 
7:28 PM
I looked at the statistics for this bit.ly link to wonder why it had 414, and then saw that Codinghorror RT the RT. Oh.
 
I tried test code and it works as it should for me @ircmaxell
 
It does work
if it didn't, more than just that would be broken.
I suspect he's doing something silly like calling it statically or something like that...
 
that's what I thought so I asked in my answer for more code
comment would have been better but I needed to include a codeblock
 
Yeah, that's why I didn't downvote you (I typically do downvote answers that don't even try to answer the question)
 
7:31 PM
I'm going to keep checking waiting for his edit :-)
 
heheh... Yeah...
 
but I did answer the question: "There must be something else going on here" was my answer :-)
I could have said "You're doing it wrong" but that's more harsh ;-)
 
lol
Yeah, that's fair
Wait, what? OctoberFest is going to be in London? Weird...
 
whoa so many guys here =)
 
@Reno All regulars :)
 
7:42 PM
this is the first time im on mso chat at 4 am :)
 
I AM GOING TO KILL THIS PERSON!!!!!!
AIEEEEEE!!!!
 
@Reno it's 13:42 here .
 
She keeps saying she gets an SMTP server timeout but the SMTP server is fine
And she keeps saying she gets the SMTP server timeout when logging into webmail but that's not possible
 
www.thewebsiteisdown.com
 
and when i ask her for a screen shot of this which I have done three times she keeps sending me something else entirely
 
7:43 PM
reminds me of that lol
 
@Josh You should just direct her to Super User.
 
status-somebody-please-shoot-me
@JustinjjnguyNelson I'm sure the mods on SU will be very unhappy to hear you say that ;-)
But I might try that, yes
 
@Josh Why? Super User is for computer software/hardware related questions.
 
@JustinjjnguyNelson for enthusiasts :-)
This woman is a piece of work ;-)
 
7:46 PM
@PopularDemand hmmmmm
I was going to respond with some lame "LOL" at first but that's actually a very insightful answer
let me think about how that could apply here...
 
@Josh I thought of it because you said she keeps sending you other stuff. Maybe she doesn't know how to take a proper screenshot?
 
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Q: Why isn't Meta funny anymore?

EarlzI remember when I first began to frequent Meta there were jokes galore. And the moderators seemed pretty lax with humorous questions(and sometimes answers). Then, something changed and Jeff began to lock and delete joke questions, and even joke tags. Why exactly did such a change occur? Is it...

People are not amused enough!
 
@TimStone I am amused at exactly the right amount.
 
Quickly @RebeccaChernoff, deploy the reserve reverse smilies to confuse and entertain the masses!
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@PopularDemand she send sends a screen shot of an SSL certificate error I fixed yesterday morning
@TimStone ROFLMAO
 
7:52 PM
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A: Moderator nomination possibly useful statistics

Yi JiangAh right, the page Benjol was talking about in the comments is about finished. It pulls in a pretty impressive amount of information by using an obscene amount of API calls to the Stack Overflow API. It's all client-side, so please do not set it to auto-refresh every minute, or else it will eat t...

 
@Josh Gotta keep the community happy. :P
 
@Josh: you see that update?
 
*AWESOME JOB* @YiJiang
@ircmaxell I did, did you see my idea?
I think he's creating the table twice :-)
 
interesting
 
or, trying to anyway, and the second one fails
 
7:54 PM
@YiJiang It doesn't always seem to load for me.
 
@JustinjjnguyNelson Yeah, well there isn't a lot I can do about that. Try hard refreshing.
 
+1 @Josh. Still that class makes me cringe when I see it
 
@YiJiang, ok. I've tried that a few times. Oh well.
 
@ircmaxell I agree, what a mess!
 
You know, we should require that users pass a test based off of CodeComplete and a few other books just to be able to post
 
7:57 PM
LOL
 
Question1: How many things should a function do:
A: 1
B: Less than 3
C: Less than 10
D: Everything
 
@JustinjjnguyNelson If you're talking about certain profiles missing MSO or SE participation data
 
D!!
 
Question2: How many things should a class represent:
A: 1
B: Less than 3
C: Less than 10
D: Everything
 
Of course ;-)
 
7:58 PM
@ircmaxell Disagree!
 
If you can see the data for all other profiles, it's because that nominee hasn't had any activity on that site
 
@ircmaxell s/do/represent/ and then your answer is A ;-)
 
@YiJiang I was talking about the entire content of the site (besides the intro)
 
lol
 
It doesn't render <sub> @YiJiang
 
7:59 PM
@Justin, Works on my Machine :)
 
@Benjol Works on and off for me.
 
Hmmm... that's odd. The YQL query is slow, but it doesn't usually fails
@JustinjjnguyNelson Will fix that
 
@YiJiang, just popped in to say bravo, really good job.
 
@YiJiang My nomination has a test case I suppose
 
Question 3: What's the deepest an inheritance tree should ever be:
A: No Limit
B: 2 Parents
C: 5 Parents
D: 10 Parents
 
8:00 PM
@YiJiang, I guess there may be far more people hitting it now too...
I told you to save as html :)
 
@ircmaxell OK this one I'm actually not sure of, heh. I'm going to stick with my answers for 1 & 2 and go with A
 
@YiJiang BTW: @Will suggested adding the current moderators as well... For comparison
 
@Benjol Whatever, tosh.
I need to sleep, and there's no way I can keep the cache fresh while my computer's off
 
@YiJiang hibernate?
 
@Benjol Hmmm... interesting idea
 
8:02 PM
> @Josh I do not understand why this made a difference but I added protected $temp_table = 'mr_csv_tmp'; to class B definition and it fixed the issue. – John Isaacks 1 min ago
 
Question 4: What OO design pattern could you use for creating objects
A. Singleton
B. Abstract Factory
C. Composite
D. Proxy
 
Maybe my explanation was unclear...?
 
@Josh: I would say B for Question 3, but that's less clear cut. It's harder to parse deep trees, so I wouldn't suggest having deep inheritance simply for readability and comprehension
 
@ircmaxell We have some trees in our framework system that go very deep. Espescially Exception objects
 
Yeah, I know
But why
 
8:06 PM
@YiJiang, nighty night then.
 
realistically, if you think about it, I would be surprised if you could truly justify that they all are 100% inter-related...
 
I'll have to check, the deepest that I can think off of the top of my head is like 4 down.
no wait
SitePalleteException -> SitePalleteFatalException -> SitePaleteFatalDatabaseException -> SitePaletteRequiredDataNotFoundException -> SitePaletteEcommerceProductNotFoundException
5 :-)
I'm sure there's some that are deeper if I searched hard enough
(And actually a number of those aren't SitePalette... Exception but DF...Exception but, you don't care about that)
 
right
I'd say shoot for no more than 3 levels, but don't worry if you have to justify up to say 7 (there's a reason for that number, but later). Anything past 7, and you're doing something wrong...
 
cool
releases version 1.3.3
\o/
 
Damn, I'm 0.1.3 versions behind! Unacceptable!
 
8:16 PM
LOL
This was our core product, too. Site Palette v1.3.3
 
@TimStone Change the colour skeen and increment the major version number
Tada! Problem fixed.
 
\o/
 
it was a really minor update, just changed wording from "Submit Error Report" to "Send Admin Error Dump" and added a new "Submit Support Ticket" menu item
because people kept sending me log/environment dumps when they forgot their email password >:o
But my boss could see how they got confused, so, this is a better solution
OH YEAH:
> Time Warner Cable (NYSE: TWC) said Thursday that it will roll out its Wideband Internet product in the spring. The cable company promotes the service as its fastest Internet product yet, with speeds up to 50 Mbps downstream and 5 Mbps upstream. Wideband will be available across the Triangle as well as in Wilson, Time Warner said in a written statement. The service also will include wireless capability.
I can't wait
I hope I still live here then :-/
 
The Triangle? :P
 
The Research Triangle, also known as Raleigh-Durham and commonly referred to as simply "The Triangle", is a region in the Piedmont of North Carolina in the United States, anchored by North Carolina State University, Duke University, University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill, and cities of Raleigh, Durham, and Chapel Hill respectively. The eight-county region, officially named the Raleigh-Durham-Cary CSA, comprises the Raleigh-Cary and Durham-Chapel Hill metropolitan areas and the Dunn Micropolitan Statistical Area. A 2009 Census Estimate put the population at 1,742,816. The Raleigh-Du...
 
8:24 PM
Ah ha
 
A.K.A. my little corner of the world :-D
 
i was supposed to visit rtp last year
but plans got cancelled at the last minute
=\
 
:-(
It's a really nice area here
 
8:40 PM
Raleigh is a beautiful city... I was there about 10 years ago. I was just amazed at how friendly everyone was.
 
Yeah, they really are. That's what impressed me when I moved here from MA
If you're in the area again @Fosco let me know, I'll buy you a drink :-)
(Or anyone else in here. Well anyone except @MichaelMrozek!)
 
lol...
 
1 hour ago, by Michael Mrozek
@Josh It's ok, I'm sure the "making Josh sad" platform will bag me more upvotes than downvotes
 
well, if I have a break before my next employment, i may be doing a drive down to florida and back.. could always stop in nc.
 
@ircmaxell:
> @Josh, your right, I wasn't deleting it. So the function WAS getting overridden but the MySQL table was already created and NOT getting overridden. Now it makes sense to me. Thanks. – John Isaacks
D'OH
@Fosco You have my email :-)
 
8:46 PM
@Josh All's fair in SO elections
 
LOL
 
9:00 PM
I'd buy @MichaelMrozek a drink, but I'd have to order it before he got there.. otherwise he'd complain about how long it took.
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Ok, I need help from someone who can see invisible things ... but first, are deleted comments visible?
 
@Fosco I retract my whining now that I play WF and take longer than anyone
 
@drachenstern Nope
 
I had to hard reset my phone earlier today; I just realized I should probably reinstall that
 
Ok, can diamond mods see deleted comments?
 
9:01 PM
@MichaelMrozek Cool.. then I'll stop harassing you about being a whiner )
 
I swear I'm getting a reddot notification for a comment that's never there :(
 
@Fosco I'll whine about other things to make up for it
@drachenstern No
 
damnit
 
@drachenstern I got one of those earlier
 
ok, who can troubleshoot the multicollider? I keep getting one for the same post repeatedly
 
9:05 PM
are you sure that post isn't just collecting more and more comments?
 
@balpha quite certain
 
Doesn't the multicollider show you the comment text?
 
so, you always get the red (1) -- and it's always because of the same comment?
 
I don't have it all the time
But I get it repeatedly for a comment that's not there.
@balpha both times I naively clicked the link before reading the first few words and committing them to memory, but I know that the text doesn't seem to be on the list of comments, and I know that it's showing up
 
the inbox item isn't gone when you click it
you can still look at it
 
9:09 PM
That's just it, it DOES disappear
I swear I'm not crazy
So listen, here's my question, and this might be the answer I need
 
@drachenstern all crazy persons swear that :)
 
if someone comments, then deletes the comment like a minute later, and in the sixty seconds I saw the notification, and expanded the list, but didn't click it, and after the sixty seconds I click the link, will the notification be removed from the inbox list?
 
@drachenstern The notification is removed as soon as you click the button, even if you don't click any links
 
no no, the link itself on the inbox
the one <div> or whatever they are
 
yes, when a comment is deleted, it gets deleted from the inbox
(independent of your click)
 
9:11 PM
@drachenstern Clicking those has nothing to do with it
 
If I ever step down as the CEO of a multi-billion-dollar company, I hope the media will find a better photo of me... businessinsider.com/eric-scmidt-out-as-google-ceo-2011-1
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@MichaelMrozek you're not following, hang on let me draw a picture
 
@balpha How could you possibly improve on that one?
 
@balpha LOL
@drachenstern be sure to include freehand circles
 
yeah yeah
 
9:16 PM
@drachenstern I'm pretty sure I'm following you...
All inbox notifications are dismissed when box two happens
As soon as you click the SE button
 
@balpha wrong
 
@balpha Then it was changed quite recently
 
they just don't count as "new" anymore
they're still in the inbox
 
Well yes; I don't mean they're removed, the alert is dismissed
 
in that case you're right
 
9:18 PM
@balpha We can still pretend he's wrong, it's OK.
 
@drachenstern So it's back to you being insane, I think
 
@MichaelMrozek He's saying that the comment link is actually removed from the list of inbox items.
 
7 mins ago, by balpha
yes, when a comment is deleted, it gets deleted from the inbox
 
user image
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Hahah
 
9:19 PM
@TimStone I'm answering this post. The answer is "the alert was already dismissed, long before you even clicked the link"
 
Right, yes.
status-bydesign
 
Any PHP experts here?
 
status-sutats
 
I want to break this!
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Q: Are all PHP equality comparisons reflexive?

MarkIs $a == $b always equivalent to $b == $a? I think in JavaScript there's a few weird cases where that's not true, due to casting.

 
sorry, was /afk
 
9:25 PM
Yay, palindromes.
 
@TimStone yes, that is what I'm saying
 
yawns Ugh, my head feels like it's in a vice clamp
 
That's ok, my stomach feels like it's a steam engine boiler. Complete with lumps of coal.
I'm popping tums but they're not helping
 
Ouch, that sucks. I think I forgot to eat lunch today...
 
I also have ibuprofen on my desk for the slight headache creeping in from the rear ... I'm about to call it a day and go find my pillow, but I have so much to do ...
You forget to eat lunch every day :p
do I need to tell you to go eat when I'm going to eat :p
@Josh did you know your status message says you're /afc?
 
9:32 PM
time to run... have to talk to a recruiter, then off to the gym. later !
 
@drachenstern I did not, sorry :-)
@Fosco have a good one!
 
@drachenstern I'm in the middle of a conference call, so no sleep for me. And hahah, I just need more convenient food..didn't have time to take a break to cook at the moment.
 
I need a /status command
 
Oh, right...
 
I was going to code that this weekend :-)
 
9:34 PM
OK, I won't try to bring up my mental to-do list then. My brain might segfault anyway ;)
 
LOL
 
@TimStone fortunately for me food means walking seven minutes so I have to break coding to not have a nasty stomach
I know that didn't come out how I intended, but something like that
 
I spent...large amounts of money ordering food in Philly, hahah. I miss that. :(
 
lol, wow, I bet. I would love to get a few "Philly" meals, but I could stand with a good home cooked greasy diner a few days a week too. I think tho, that my education status and training have moved me past greasy diners :\
Also, guess who's the newest member of the Strunk & White club?
 
Who? I know I got that one once.
Don't remember if it was on SO or MSO though.
 
9:39 PM
@Moshe that may or may not be a colloquialism but it's always a reference about one's self
 
is confused
 
@Josh nice spot...
 
Oh, congrats
</confusion>
 
@ircmaxell sorry what?
oh the database table
thanks :-)
@ircmaxell I want to find a valid case for his question:
19 mins ago, by Josh
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Q: Are all PHP equality comparisons reflexive?

MarkIs $a == $b always equivalent to $b == $a? I think in JavaScript there's a few weird cases where that's not true, due to casting.

 
lol
Hrm, that's interesting
I know if one argument is a string, both will be cast to a string
time to go code browsing
 
9:47 PM
@ircmaxell I tried everything I could think of, and couldn't make ($a == $b) !== ($b == $a)
I am determined to find a case though!
 
well, I've got the C source open now...
since I think that's the only realistic way to find out
 
@Josh in PHP?
 
Yeah
@ircmaxell Yeah I was going to do that but I was afraid it would take me hours to find the right part of the source, LOL
 
Ain't gonna happen, unless there's a way to bypass the jitter
 
@drachenstern what do you mean?
 
9:49 PM
Ok, let's see
 
@ircmaxell No! Put it away! Don't subject yourself to that horrible torture! :P
 
I mean that it's optimized to prevent that from happening. Reflexivity is a core component of maths
 
line 1376 of zend/zend_operators.c, function ZEND_API int compare_function
 
@drachenstern it happens in JavaScript
@ircmaxell awesome thanks
 
np
 
9:51 PM
Which doesn't do things the same ... look, javascripts like going to another planet yeah?
 
interesting
 
@drachenstern agreed
@ircmaxell why did I agree to follow you down this hole, this is soooo far above my head LOL
I thought I used to teach C... :-p
 
I'm just saying I have never heard of an edge case in PHP where two comparisons don't match up
 
lol
 
@drachenstern I haven't either, which is why I am determined to prove that one exists ;-)
 
9:52 PM
I know there's a mathy reason why that won't happen, but I don't know the mathy reason
 
As far as I can tell, it's all find through to the default case
so far at least
 
even if my doing so is by getting @ircmaxell to do it for me LOL
 
@Josh I warned you! So much warning!
 
@TimStone yes, but, that implies that I heed to logic :-)
 
9:53 PM
Now that's interesting...
 
Boss told me about thirty minutes ago that he thinks I'm probably a better coder than him (he's the one that wrote all the core code that got all our customers in the first place) (he brings me big projects and gives me long blocks of time to get them done in)
 
@drachenstern Now he won't feel guilty about dumping even more work on you :D
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The default case is to turn any scalar into a number
 
@drachenstern that's a compliment then!
@ircmaxell huh, that is interesting
 
@Josh jup
 
9:55 PM
shakes fist at Java and rebuilds
 
wait, this is getting me confused
 
@ircmaxell same here... what is int eq_comp for?
 
One potential case is based upon what Z_OBJ_HT_P(op1)->get returns.
 
6 mins ago, by Tim Stone
@ircmaxell No! Put it away! Don't subject yourself to that horrible torture! :P
 
Everything else I think is good
lol
 
9:56 PM
@Josh equality comparison yes? what's the context of the line? Have a link?
 
 int eq_comp = op1_obj && op2_obj && (Z_OBJ_HANDLER_P(op1,compare_objects)
                                          == Z_OBJ_HANDLER_P(op2,compare_objects));
@drachenstern ^^^^
 
Ohhh, I think I may have found one. Time to go test
 
Awesome!
 
nope
 

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