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3:06 PM
Morning
 
yawns 'Ello
@YiJiang That's uh...an interesting way to describe red wine. :P
 
I don't know, does a properly functioning liver change the taste of alcohol?
 
@YiJiang It's taste you acquire. Canned coke was far too sparkling for me e.g., but coke on tap eased me into it.
 
Actually, the liver can already metabolize it when you've hit puberty, right?
@radp Sparkling grape juice for the next two years then!
 
@YiJiang Nah, just experiment and find something you like :)
We're all human, with the exception of the occasional self-propelled artillery and of a few random rcherns here and there.
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3:16 PM
grumbles
 
G'morning. :P
 
@RebeccaChernoff @radp Here's one that's both!
 
@Rebecca I always took you for a Rachel, actually.
 
@GraceNote She outed that identity when she posted a bug on the Chromium project's bug list with a Google Account bearing that name
 
3:21 PM
I didn't realize changing my display name would cause such a fuss.
 
Although I'm pretty sure regulars would know that from before, no?
 
@RebeccaChernoff You obviously never had to deal with kerning issues. Or keming, as it were.
 
@RebeccaChernoff You didn't realize that such a trivial thing would be blown out of proportion in here for the sake of the obscure and mild amusement of others?
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@TimStone Like starring
And oy s
 
@TimStone Well when you put it like that...
 
3:24 PM
Though when I think about it, rchern is susceptible to keming.
 
@RebeccaChernoff "rchern" sounded more... hmm... familiar? Um, that's not right. It sounded more... more like...
Nov 9 at 20:01, by balpha
user image
 
@GraceNote I think we should leave it as that before she oy s us
 
yes, more like that.
 
@RebeccaChernoff ;)
 
@radp Oh god. Imageshack is blocked too.
Either that or the latency is so bad that the connection times out
 
3:26 PM
alt text: kitten sneezes: r... r... r... r chern!
 
lol
is in display name limbo
 
@YiJiang - are you a doctor?
 
"I am today"
 
@user152426 No, why?
 
I am looking for a couple more experienced SE users to follow with us at the Dermatology proposal in Area 51:
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Dermatology and Dermatopathology

Proposed Q&A site for expert dermatologist and dermatopathologists

Currently in definition.

 
3:37 PM
No one gets that quote and it saddens me. Also makes me feel old.
 
@user152426 Ya know, you've posted this in here a lot. I don't think anyone in here is a dermatologist or a dermatopathologist.
 
ok, sorry about that
 
@GraceNote The Pretender?
 
someone told me I should checkin here periodically
 
@TimStone Aye, that show.
 
3:39 PM
@user152426 Not many other than the regulars check here that often
 
It's always the first thing that pops into my head when I hear that question. I loved that show.
 
Heheh
 
Time for another in the long running series!
 
WHY DID WHY TRUST? WHY?
 
@YiJiang With an egregious typo at that.
 
Wes
3:52 PM
@user152426 It may have been me told you to do that when it was over the thanksgiving weekend. However I meant check back cause nobody was there. The audience here at the moment is much the same audience here when you asked the last time.
 
ok np
 
/blames Wes
 
@YiJiang |:
 
WHY OH GOD WHY DID I TRUST MY EYES!?
 
Wes
3:58 PM
@TimStone Sorry Tim. There had been no activity in hours on the day I said it. I couldn't provide any help. Seemed at least polite to say come back. Who know maybeone of you regulars has an intrest in dermotology.
 
I was 99% kidding, it's OK. ;)
 
/blames @RebeccaChernoff for typo, because @RebeccaChernoff is always to blame
 
To the WOB!
 
@YiJiang Negatory.
 
^ remember to support proper grammar when writing commands
 
Wes
4:00 PM
Ah so I've a 1% blame. In other questions is this too suggestive
http://stackoverflow.com/questions/4352846/blazeds-graniteds-livecycleds-weborb-for-java-which-gives-best-performance
I mean subjective?
 
Turns out it was Popular Demand's fault.
 
@RebeccaChernoff As @NickCraver saiz
 
Wes
Ahh now your speaking sense.
 
@TimStone, curious about the chat navigation binding to keydown rather than keyup or keypress. Not necessarily clear on the difference (yes I know the difference in what they mean, but not use cases I guess). Did you have a specific reason or did you just flip a coin?
 
@Wes Hm, admittedly I don't "like" the question, but I can't decide whether or not it's actually subjective. Normally questions which ask "Which is best?" tend to go in that direction, but...hrm. I won't vote to close at the moment, anyway.
 
Wes
4:03 PM
I'm trying to find out some specific info
I think I'm just wording questions terribly
I don't like completely redoing them cause its confusing for anyone who's already answered.
 
@RebeccaChernoff Never use keyup, ever. keypress might have been better from the perspective that you could hold down the arrow keys, but that's not something you want to allow for the other bindings...also then you get the code for the actual character that was typed, I think, which means you have to deal with capitalization and the like (also not sure how it's fired for arrow keys).
(OK, I use keyup for the comment auto-complete, but that's a special case :P)
@Wes It's probably better than it getting closed though. Anyone who answers can always update their post easily enough, provided you don't change it drastically.
 
never use keyup ever?
 
(though both of those have to do with inputting text, but...there are very few reasons to ever use keyup over one of the other options)
 
If I want to allow the yahoo, what is the bot's name that I should use in my robots text?
User-agent: WHATGOES HERE
Allow: /$
Disallow: /
allow the yahoo search engine to index my page, that is
yahoo-slurp ?
 
This place is incredibly dry
I just zapped myself on the fingerprint scanner of this computer
 
4:18 PM
I ask because with the merger with bing, is the yahoo crawler going away?
 
Wes
@user152426 why do you want to prevent some crawlers crawling.
 
I am trying to control the indexing of my site as much as I can; I don't want it getting indexed all over the place without me knowing; at least not yet
I am using my robots.txt like a whitelist
within which I have only allowed googlebot so far
 
Wes
@user152426 being crawled is probably a good thing unless their doing too much traffic to your server. This may or may not have the info you wnat user-agents.org
 
thank you
 
you're welcome
 
5:05 PM
Here's Wheel of Migration v2: jsfiddle.net/yijiang/pJaCJ/embedded/result
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Uses SO API to grab the info, needs a little polishing
 
What is the really wide option? Crepes, I didn't expect anything to be wider than Game Development.
 
@GraceNote Theoretical Computer Science isn't it?
 
@YiJiang What migration is this refering to
 
With their page-spanning logo, heh.
 
@CRoss Instead of the current limited migration options presented when voting to close, I propose that it be turned into an auto-complete + write-in feature. Type in a site name, if it doesn't exist, you've just created a new site!
This turned into a Wheel of Migration, though I still think we need write-in capabilities.
 
5:13 PM
@RebeccaChernoff Where's the meta request?
 
Twas just in chat. (:
 
6:05 PM
 
@radp heh
 
hello
 
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Q: Should it be possible to earn the Publicist Badge by linking to an answer of a question?

AttackingHoboI recently linked an answer I posted, and the question now has almost 15k views. I am sure that not all of them came from the link I posted, but probably at least half of them were. But currently the only way to get the publicist badge is grab the perma-link to the question itself. Should it be...

What do you guys think?
 
6:22 PM
I'd counter with: In most cases, is linking to an answer necessary?
 
Yeah, what exactly are you trying to publicize?
 
6:40 PM
The solution to a problem? :P
 
Why isn't linking to the question sufficient?
 
would you all be willing to be give me some feeback regarding my personal website I have been working on
feedback
 
 
1 hour later…
7:49 PM
Hot damn:
Mod flags and normal flags. This is a big day
 
8:03 PM
heh
 
8:42 PM
It's snowing!!!!!
 
Seriously?
 
Seriously
In Raleigh, NC, it's snowing on Dec 4th :-)
 
Hrm, it's not snowing here.
 
You must not be where I am :-)
 
Apparently not. ;)
 
8:46 PM
lol
 
Working on a complicated system to assist me in troubleshooting my issues from last night. Building a module for our system which will log all incoming and outgoing HTTP request headers. Should allow me to see where/how the cookie is being lost
Plus will be useful for all kinds of debugging in the future, I am sure
 
I think I may have been passed out when you detailed this problem yesterday.
Unless you didn't tell us, in which case...never mind. :P
 
Basically one of our eCommerce customers said that she is losing her cart when she reaches the checkout page
 
@TheUnhandledException Complicated, eh? Sounds less than reliable. ;)
 
I was unable to replicate, as was @PopularDemand and @Benjol and two other coworkers
@GeorgeMarian I am open to other ideas!!
 
8:51 PM
Ah, interesting..
 
Well, I have no idea what makes it complicated. But,in general, the simpler the better. :)
 
@GeorgeMarian Hell, I couldn't even get "STUDYID", "USUBJID" right, there might not be any hope for me. ;)
 
@GeorgeMarian Ok, point taken. I guess it's not really that complicated. It's going to make directories for each HTTP request and fill those with files for request and response headers
 
@TimStone lol
 
shakes head at himself
 
8:53 PM
@TheUnhandledException Why individual directories?
 
@GeorgeMarian Because the module is extensible, future modules will be able to create their own files under each directory
 
Hello
 
'Ello
 
That could lead to many directories, especially on an ecommerce site.
 
8:55 PM
It sure could. This is just for debugging, as soon as I find the problem I intend to disable the module
I may have to put the directories under a a/ b/ c/ d/ e/ x/ y/ z/ directory tree
 
@TheUnhandledException And then have to do clean-up every time you need to use this module?
 
@GeorgeMarian I'll nuke the parent directory, yeah
 
Ok, all under one parent directory isn't as bad.
 
@GeorgeMarian Configurable, defaults to /tmp/RequestDebug but I intend to configure per site to be /tmp/Sitename-requestDebug
I also want to make it so it can link each request directory to the next and previous requests so I can "follow" a user through the site. But we'll see if that's easier said than done...
 
Wow, I almost did the same thing...stupid quotation marks.
 
9:01 PM
My only concern would be limits on the number of directory entries. Of course, that depends on the filesystem. The overhead shouldn't be a huge issue, as it is for debugging only. (Assuming, it does cause a noticeable slowdown should it be used as peak times.)
 
Yeah that's my primary concern also. Filesystem is linux tmpfs
 
@TimStone hehe I know your pain.
 
Directories are quick and easy to write and it is just for debugging. I could use a database but, we'll see how directories goes
I could also separate the directories by hour or something. I don't expect to use this in production though
I'll let you know in a few minutes how the performance is @George ;-)
 
@TheUnhandledException Alrighty. Good luck.
 
Hey, someone wana give me their opinion?
 
9:12 PM
Sure. I have a lot of those ;-)
 
sec, uploading the new version of triton
k
You might need to refresh if you have a previously downloaded version
AKA, if it doesn't say 0.5 Dev on the sidebar
 
k, sec, lemme finish up this commit
 
@TheUnhandledException Hey, that's my line. ;)
 
LOL
What's he royalty fee @George? ;-)
 
9:16 PM
lol
I'm not Donald Trump. ;)
@TylerChacha I finally saw the pop-up it said something to the effect that new documents were ready and that I should reload, although I didn't see any new documents.
 
sec
something screwed up when I added .js to be parsed by PHP
 
That's because PHP can only parse PHP code. JavaScript code should be sent to the browser.
;-)
 
@TylerChacha I like that the "new post" and "delete doc" options appear after creating a document. however, I think "new post" should be moved below "delete doc," probably with separator.
 
there we go
now, add some code (Remember, it is Markdown)
@TheUnhandledException I have PHP populate a field in my JS code. Basically it gives the date that you cached the JS
 
adds code
 
9:21 PM
The sidebar needs more refinement. I was unaware that there were multiple documents. It was kind of odd to see "delete document" after deleting the document.
 
yeah..
 
@TylerChacha I do something similar. I was trying to be a pain in the ass with that comment above ;-)
 
Did you see the new <pre> styling?
 
I believe so, the monospaced text in the blue box?
 
yes
does it look good?
 
9:22 PM
@Tyler when I clicked "New Document" I lost my old document, is that
status-bydesign
?
 
Click the logo
Do you now see your old document?
 
@TylerChacha Ah, now I do
 
Is the need for a leading blank line a markdown thing?
 
I would suggest a "list documents" link
 
@TylerChacha Looks OK to me. I'm debating whether or not I like that it goes all the way to the edge of the box.
 
9:23 PM
That is what @GeorgeMarian means by 'refinement of sidebar'
@GeorgeMarian Leading blank line?
 
@TylerChacha Ah, if I actually read what @George had said then I would have understood that! :-)
 
Yah, I posted nothing but code and the first line wasn't formated as code. I had to add a blank line before it, which BTW gets eaten up when you edit it again, leading back to that same issue.
 
Looks good @Tyler. Nice work
 
@GeorgeMarian Yes. that is a Markdown thing. I get the problem all the time on StackOverflow where I have to type something before my block of code..
 
@TylerChacha The first line is title-ized, or something? So despite the indent the first line will never be formatted as code.
 
9:26 PM
hmmm...
@TimStone Good point. I'll fix that
 
Heh, if I manually place spaces (due to an editing snafu deleting the tab) it works w/o a leading blank line.
Or, rather, it doesn't eat up the leading blank line.
 
hmm
Well .. I found my solution..
but I don't know why it is my solution
Here
does it make sense that there needs to be a space between a preceding line and a code block?
For instance
Class Structure

    System Class
in that post, Class Structure is outside the code block, and System Class is inside
 
I have to enter Markdown like that on SO
 
@TylerChacha Feature request: Favicon. I've made Triton an AppTab, but it has this boring piece of paper icon. ;)
@TheUnhandledException Yeah, I was going to mention the same thing.
 
However in this example, they are all not in a code block
Class Structure
    System Class
      Checks:
 
9:36 PM
@TimStone I can second that
er, @TylerChacha I can second @TimStone 's request
 
Well .. what should it be?
A tiny version of my avatar?
 
@TheUnhandledException That does seem to be an oddity with markdown.
 
a giant T?
 
For some reason, that lady from Total Recall comes to mind...
 
Hm, good question.
@GeorgeMarian I actually lol'ed at that.
 
9:40 PM
@TimStone Good, that was the point of making that comment. :)
 
Normally my chat-induced laughter is mental, which is why I felt that was worth a mention. ;)
 
Even better. Actual lol'ing is better than mental lol'ing. :)
 
@TimStone Mine is or is not depending on the acronym used :-)
 
Well, now I've done something better than SO
the first thing in a note CAN be code
 
"LOL", usually mental. "HAHAHAHAHA", audible chuckle. "ROFLOL", actual laughter
 
9:44 PM
@TylerChacha This works in SO too, but props anyway ;)
 
I made the nav bar a little wider
there, go ahead and update
 
Odd, for some reason it didn't seem to reload the first few times in Minefield.
 
I'm going to make a little thing that tells you when it starts downloading the new files
that way you have quicker feedback on whether or not it is updating
I'm also gonna include the time you updated in the green startup note, at least while in Dev Mode
 
@GeorgeMarian so it took me a bit longer than expected (as usual for me...) but my new module is working
 
@TheUnhandledException Heh. Every time that happens to me, I remember that NASA expects 15 LOC/day out of their developers. (30/day for "simple" programming tasks).
 
9:51 PM
LOL
 
Better to get it right than to forget to convert from standard to metric and waste a few million dollars...Oh, wait...
 
there we go
now if you update, every time you load after that it will tell you in the little green startup alert exactly what date/time you downloaded Triton
 
Nifty
 
15 LOC/day?
 
@RebeccaChernoff You can do a lot with 15 lines of jQuery.
 
9:53 PM
that's 15 working, debugged, peer reviewed, documented lines.
 
@RebeccaChernoff They code in C and have a one-line-per-file policy ;-)
 
Oy. I know the concept of LOC/day >_>
 
Hey there @Greg, how goes?
 
pretty good, thanks, you?
 
I'm hanging in there :-)
 
9:55 PM
anyone have any other complaints about Triton before I go and create an icon?
 
So @Rebecca do you have snow yet? :-)
 
@RebeccaChernoff Really? That's..horrible. I'm expected to "make it happen", and that's it.
@TylerChacha Nope, everything looks good so far from what I can tell.
 
@TylerChacha Sure, it keeps telling to reload, after I reload. :)
 
Thats cause I keep updating files
now if you reload you should be good
 
9:56 PM
@TheUnhandledException Snow? Here? Funny.
@TimStone Oh, I didn't mean me. I just meant I know of the concept.
 
@TheUnhandledException Stop taunting people with your snow-havingness. :P
Oh, hah. Don't mind me, then.
 
@TylerChacha How about adding a little freedback that it's been reloaded? The "waiting for.." doesn't last very long.
 
LOL. Actually it's raining now, so the snow will be gone very soon
 
@GeorgeMarian You mean its being updated?
sure
 
@TheUnhandledException To be replaced by ice.
@TylerChacha After it's done the update, something that hangs around for a bit longer.
 
9:58 PM
Probably. And people down he have no freaking idea how to drive on ice
 
That'll make for better feedback.
 
Makes me glad I am not able to drive at the moment, LOL
 
hmm.. I'm not sure about what you're saying..
 
I was wondering why there were so many SUVs here in WA, then it snowed...
(Granted, the proximity of the mountains and good skiing is the main motivating factor.)
 

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