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@Exampleperson score = upvotes - downvotes

I want to know the post with the highest (upvotes + downvotes)

However, the effect on rep isn't a multiple of the score because upvotes have more weight than downvotes.

@Exampleperson Hmmm. That's tricky.

@Exampleperson upvotes-downvotes

4:04 PM

upvotes-downvotes is the usual, but I am interested about upvotes + downvotes where upvotes and downvotes are positive integers.

@Exampleperson you mean total number of both types of votes

Yes

@Exampleperson It shouldn't be too hard to write a SEDE query for, at least to find suchbpists on a single site. (But I don't know SEDE). It would be fairly similar to this: data.stackexchange.com/stackoverflow/query/466/…

hmm...

@ShadowWizard A couple of days ago you posted a link to a song by Dion & the Belmonts. FWIW, Dion DiMucci is still going strong. He even released 2 albums during the pandemic, although he hasn't toured or released anything in the last 12 months. Of course, he's no longer a teen heart-throb. :) He's now in his early 80s, and has a perfect grizzly blues singer voice.

@Tinkeringbell Do you like banana smoothies? If so, you might enjoy adding a small amount of avocado, especially if the bananas are a bit over-ripe for your taste.

4:26 PM

This seems to be the most voted question on SO. Not sure though.

@PM2Ring I think it's impossible, as far as I know, SEDE doesn't show you different vote types

But if it doesn't allow different vote types, how come the one PM 2Ring showed has the ability?

@PM2Ring I don't know. I generally don't make/eat smoothies. I've had a red berry one once that was nice though.

@Exampleperson 🤷‍♂️

@Exampleperson I think you're right. Now that you mention it, I'm sure I've seen that question mentioned as the all-time most popular SO question. It has 27102 up & 97 down votes.

4:37 PM

I never actually read it, let me read it

@Tinkeringbell aren't they sterilized before? ;)

@PM2Ring depends how you define killing. They do cease to be humans, so kind of death.

That part was always interesting for me in the vampire books and movies.

In the D&D games, they were just another nasty and very powerful foes, usually burning me down lol.

@ShadowWizardStrikesBack the hospital ones, maybe. But they do live in the wild as well!

Dion & The Belmonts : I Wonder Why

@Tinkeringbell ohh, wild isn't good.

@PM2Ring huh! I actually just posted it after Google search, so didn't put much attention to who's there. So you happen to be a fan?

yeah this:

yesterday, by Shadow The Spring Wizard

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Think that's the original, but might be wrong even on that lol

4:53 PM

Dion was huge, back in the day. From en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dion_DiMucci

> Initially the lead singer of the vocal group Dion and the Belmonts, Dion embarked on a solo career, and was one of the most prominent rock and roll performers of the pre-British Invasion era. He had 39 Top 40 hits in the late 1950s and early 1960s as a solo performer, or with the Belmonts and the Del-Satins.

@ShadowWizardStrikesBack Fair point.

@PM2Ring :)

If there really be something like vampires, we'll have to invent new word for another kind of death. "Destroyed" doesn't sound right. ;)

5:45 PM

I know the mods and others are on strike right now. but what if SE/SO replace everyone. that would suck big time

Eh, things are already annoying enough without hypotheticals

@BigJoe nah, many mods are still active, so that's enough for a short while.

If anything, SE won't kick only those who strike, but all mods, close down all meta sites, and have the CM's moderate the main sites.

More likely than replacing only those on strike now, IMO.

SPArcheon

6:02 PM

@ShadowWizardStrikesBack and have to actually pay people to moderate?

Q: Hot meta posts section is no more?

6:20 PM

@SPArcheon nope. CM's will actually become only moderators, their original role abandoned.

So yes, pay, but they paid them anyway. ;)

SPArcheon

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I was browsing Stack Overflow for tags of interest related questions and I noticed that there was no 'hot meta posts' section on the right side! I navigated to the corresponding meta and found the same. Even here on Meta Stack Exchange, it doesn't show up. Is this another move by SE management af...

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@SPArcheon What a disgrace.

@mousetail Not necessarily. I still hate that they removed the option to un-sticky the top bar. And it's really hard for me to see when I've voted on greyscale meta sites.

I browse almost exclusively using my Samsung phone's dark theme. Unfortunately, with these new buttons it's now almost impossible for me to see when I've voted on a greyscale meta site post. This is particularly problematic because it's very easy to accidentally vote when scrolling, and now I'm unlikely to notice such accidental votes. — PM 2Ring Jun 3 at 12:31

6:33 PM

Sorry; I needed to use this chat as a way to upload the screenshots. Feel free to convert them to text links.

@Tinkeringbell Can I ask if you're the one repeatedly removing my comment, or if it's SE staff? Post link

> SE is burning bridges fast

Kevin B

is teh comment useful?

All I'm asking for is if a community elected moderator, or a staff member, is deleting it. I will not complain any further about it here. I just want to know.

@Andreasdetestscensorship No, you don't. You can do that in any Answer box. Just don't accidentally post the answer. Or if you prefer, use the Sandbox chatroom. chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/1/sandbox

@Andreasdetestscensorship no, I did it. I'm sort-of striking too, but while that comment may improve the dumpster fire, it does not improve the question. You can upvote it instead, though I'm pretty sure you did as well :)

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@PM2Ring Oh, that's much smarter. Thanks. :)

6:49 PM

No worries. BTW, you can safely delete the answer / chat msg as soon as the image link is created.

@Glorfindel I did. ;) Thanks, though.

FWIW, this edit seems to confirm it's a bug, as I expected.

@Andreasdetestscensorship Sorry, I was showering. But you have a response already so no harm done I hope!

@PM2Ring Was going to, but then I got caught in the midst of the fire, and lost the timeframe.

Kevin B

talk about knee-jerk reactions

6:51 PM

@Andreasdetestscensorship Also, no community-elected anythings here ;)

@Glorfindel It's really weird. It's a strange time to be happening.

@Andreasdetestscensorship Understood.

Talking about feeding a dumpster fire, I guess

Yeah, fine. I do admit I get veeeeeery engaged sometimes... Like, right now.

@Andreasdetestscensorship Oh, I meant my remark about no one being elected here ;)

That's usually good dumpster fire fuel

6:52 PM

@Glorfindel I don't believe that for a second.

@ElementsinSpace Me neither, but give them an hour or two to fix the bug. If it's still broken then, consider it intentional.

mousetail

If it's a bug it will be fixed soon, if it's intentional than not

Evidence that it may be a bug: on Astronomy, the Blog post link got killed, but the Featured on Meta is still visible, with a pro-strike post shown: astronomy.stackexchange.com/questions

I hope it's Hanlon's razor again ...

Probably

At last, shog speaks:

The footgunning will continue until mobility improves — Shog9 16 mins ago

7:01 PM

I just checked internally, and we're unaware of the cause — digging. — JNat ♦ 12 mins ago

@Glorfindel While possibly true, trust is so broken at this moment, that this isn't likely to be trusted by a lot of people. They should be extra cautious about technical changes that can lead to these things, these days, especially when they did intentionally get rid of HMP last time something similar took place.

OTOH, it is highly suspicious that this bug just happened to manifest right now. I doubt it just happened spontaneously. I suspect someone was trying to do something to filter out strike-related posts from the Hot Meta, but they screwed it up.

We'll see ... bugs like these tend to get solved quite soon, with a decent explanation. Let's hope it'll be the same this time. If not, in ~6-8 days I might think about malice.

7:21 PM

It seems like the Hot Meta & Featured are returning. But the explanation may take a little longer...

M.A.R.

7:48 PM

@SPArcheon but I can't imagine an authority that would have prevented all the four scenarios from happening, or even one that would be expected to intervene in all four.

They weren't caused by the same people either, but I get that you're saying there's precedence for negligence

@PM2Ring gone q_q

@Tinkeringbell I'd vote for you

@ShadowWizardStrikesBack But that won't happen though right? SE is the main place where i got my rep

MSE

M.A.R.

Not that dog guy though. He's too annoyingly popular already if you ask me

All you do is post cute dog pictures and suddenly you have hundreds of thousands of rep

@BigJoe replace everyone with . . . What?

@ShadowWizardStrikesBack how does that even remotely make sense with the sheer volume of moderation these sites require?

It would make more sense to deprecate close voting instead.

Ryan M - Regenerate response

8:08 PM

@M.A.R. Robots. Stepford Overflow.

M.A.R.

@PM2Ring why would anyone do that. I mean, if you're gonna generate heaps of stuff to read about a subject, there's already textbooks and documentation and what-not

9:31 PM

Is blaming Redis issues for things a subset of blaming caching?

Kevin B

9:53 PM

yes

10:57 PM

I wanted to ask a question about this but didn't know a way to do it. Say you set a bounty on a question. there are 4 answers and you don't choose any of them. since the rep has already been taken from your account does it get put back if you don't choose anyone at the end of the bountry experiation date ?

im gonna look at the faq again

If, after the end of the bounty period, a question has no answers, the bounty will expire and the reputation will disappear.

found it

@BigJoe But if there is an answer (with a positive score) and you haven't chosen an answer manually, the bounty will go to the top answer automatically.

(Actually, it has to be an answer that was posted after the bounty was started.) Details on this page: <https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/16065/how-does-the-bounty-system-work>

11:16 PM

Thanks @ElementsinSpace

I reported meta.stackexchange.com/questions/389879/… 6 hours ago that was a bug. it was answered once but hasn't had a hard look or answer yet to fix it. Does it take time? I would really like to read specific answers in a post witout scrolling all the way