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Rob

12:04 AM

Probably around May 2018 now, so another hour.

Wolgwang

12:23 AM

Aren't some elements missing on main site (in responsive-mobile)?

No flag option...

Neither Related and Linked questions tabs.

Also there is some error in 'visit chat'

Wolgwang

Desktop mode is fine:

Wolgwang

12:45 AM

Pagination in comments(from profile) is also broken :-o

Catija

3:44 AM

@Wolgwang Ah, so that's not just me.

If someone can confirm that you don't have any flag options on mobile, I'd appreciate it.

@Wolgwang I think they're omitted intentionally (and have been for a while) due to page scroll length... but it's worth checking to see.

@Wolgwang I don't see an error with the pagination - can you explain? Are you trying to say that (whoever that is) they don't have 1310 pages of comments?

@ShadowWizardHatesOmicron Seems to be that we moved the chat stuff from NYC to CO and they didn't migrate the indexes... which makes them empty and apparently nothing causes them to regenerate unless we trigger it manually. They're planning to document things to ensure that they migrate the indexes first before moving back to NYC when they do it again, so hopefully it won't happen any time soon :D

Journeyman Geek

@Catija I have flag options on mobile/responsive ._.

Catija

3:59 AM

Mobile Safari, maybe?

From what I understand, it's evil.

Catija

4:37 AM

@JourneymanGeek Can you check on a site where you have under 250 rep? Just reading Laurel's question on MSE about this. Trying to figure out whether it really is iOS only.

Over 15 but under 250 rep, of course.

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Q: Flagging comments in mobile Chrome now requires 250 rep

On sites where I have 250+ rep, I can flag normally. On every other site (but only on mobile), the flag icon is gone (not even tapping in the blank space works). Here is a demonstration (I flagged the last comment on desktop): This is kind of an important bug, since I don't want to see people ge...

Journeyman Geek

4:56 AM

Ohhh

Moment

Wolgwang

@Catija Nah...One can reproduce it by clicking mobile option.

Journeyman Geek

@Catija can replicate on bricks where I got 153 rep

Wolgwang

Before clicking "mobile"

After 'mobile':

Catija

OK. So there's something weird going on... but me not being able to flag may be a different issue? Dunno.

Wolgwang

Journeyman Geek

5:00 AM

@Catija Twitter dmed you a screenshot. Currently away from PC

Catija

@JourneymanGeek Yep. Thanks!

Journeyman Geek

Running a android 12 and chrome 97

Catija

@Wolgwang Oh... wow... Yeah. You mind adding this info to an answer?

Wolgwang

Ohk

Spevacus

I'm on a Google Pixel 3a (android) and I repro'd on sites where I just have the assoc bonus as well as Community Building and Freelancing where I have over 350 on each.

But not on Arqade where I have over 1k

Feels odd.

Catija

5:04 AM

So... I have a guess... a few days ago we got rid of the mobile view, right? But we didn't get rid of the button in the footer... so, what happens when you click the button??? The system seems to get confused... and one of the side effects is... not showing some elements of the page.

Wolgwang

@Catija It was working 2-3 days ago .

Catija

Yeah, we just got rid of the mobile views a day or two ago.

Oh crap.

DO NOT CLICK THE "MOBILE" BUTTON IN THE FOOTER!!!

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You can't go back.

Spevacus

D:

Catija

It's supposed to switch between mobile and full site... but it thinks you're always on the full site, so there's no way to get back to full site and get the flagging ability back.

Wolgwang

Unless one uses SE in incognito XD

Catija

5:11 AM

I don't suppose there's a way I can kill the mobile view cookie?

Feeds

It's important to make sure your analysis destroys as much information as it produces.

Catija

OK, Found and removed the cookie.

Wolgwang

@Catija Have you also removed the 'desktop/full site' option?

Catija

Me?

Did you mistake me for a dev?

I assure you, if you want the site to continue to exist, you do not want to give me the ability to change code.

@Wolgwang The "full site" option was only available (as far as I'm aware) in the mobile version of the site, so - since you can't get to that any more, you can't get to the "full site" button... is that what you mean?

Wolgwang

Yup 😅

@Catija I meant broken pagination.

~~I thought it was only happening on mobile but it is also reproducible on desktop~~

Nah! it is happening after clicking 'mobile'.

Catija

5:32 AM

@Wolgwang Ah, the boxes are missing.

Yeah, I see that on my phone, too.

I think maybe we need a list of all the things we can find that are broken or missing in this "mobile" version of the full site.

Some of them may be intentional (for example, I think the related questions being MIA is actually by design).

Wolgwang

Should I post that profile bug here ?

Catija

@Wolgwang Hmmm. Dunno. Let me talk to the Stacks team in the morning. I've already pinged them about there being some discrepancies. It's possible that removing the mobile version will clear everything up at once, so it may not be necessary.

Meta Andrew T.

For those who can call JavaScript function, calling StackExchange.switchMobile("off") will switch off "mobile" view.

I think javascript:StackExchange.switchMobile("off") will work.

Wolgwang

Thanks :-)

Journeyman Geek

5:55 AM

Hmm. Mobile responsive also seems to hide staff tags on the users listing

Catija

Oooh, somewhere I can hide.

Wolgwang

@JourneymanGeek Where?

cigien

@JNat Cross-site spammer stackexchange.com/users/24284181/danny-cardenas

Meta Andrew T.

6:19 AM

done a shameless self-answer support post...

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Ryan M

@cigien also if anyone wants some free helpful flags, a whole bunch of those are still up...

Journeyman Geek

Wait irs working correctly now

Catija

Yeah, I didn't have any issues seeing the staff tags (if that's what you mean).

Journeyman Geek

Yeah

Luuklag

6:50 AM

@RyanM flagged them, one got removed, still a few left

@Catija Doing a late night again?

Catija

Always. It's rare I go to sleep before 1 or 2 am.

@cigien gone. Mostly.

Ryan M

@Catija Out of curiosity, shouldn't they have hit rate limits? Or is that only applied by IP, not network account?

Shadow Wizard Hates Omicron

7:58 AM

@Luuklag kfc

:D

Luuklag

@ShadowWizardHatesOmicron damn you. I just had breakfast but now I'm hungry again

Shadow Wizard Hates Omicron

@Catija I'll bookmark this message and check in one year. ;-)

@Luuklag bows

My pleasure! :P

Well, you can have a coffee...

!!/coffee Luuk

SmokeDetector

@ShadowWizardHatesOmicron brews a cup of Americano for @Luuk

Shadow Wizard Hates Omicron

Reminds me, wanted to make espresso as well, new office got a machine and boss bought some capsules. And, I bought this to go with the coffee:

Luuklag

@ShadowWizardHatesOmicron This could have turned out way worse. Thanks :)

Shadow Wizard Hates Omicron

8:03 AM

@Luuklag (:

Luuklag

@ShadowWizardHatesOmicron Looks good.

Shadow Wizard Hates Omicron

@Luuklag It is good! Small, but two of those are usually enough for me. For one coffee. ;)

tripleee

8:19 AM

flag-pls spam returning spammer serverfault.com/questions/1093938/…

flag-pls spam more Chinese heavy industry raspberrypi.stackexchange.com/q/136218

Shadow Wizard Hates Omicron

@tripleee flagged but still up

@tripleee kaboom

tripleee

thanks

Shadow Wizard Hates Omicron

@tripleee since you're kind of Smokey, do you have coffee command as well? ;-)

tripleee

not only that, I can make delicious chicken bites

Shadow Wizard Hates Omicron

@tripleee chicken bites

hmm... lagging?

:D

tripleee

8:25 AM

... but you need sudo, and this is slow food, so allow 1-25h for delivery

Shadow Wizard Hates Omicron

lol

Anyway @Luuklag here is my coffee, by now of course it's empty and eaten. ;)

Luuklag

8:38 AM

@ShadowWizardHatesOmicron A while back I had coffee in a cup you could eat. That was pretty fun

Shadow Wizard Hates Omicron

@Luuklag huh! From a coffee shop?

Luuklag

yeah

Shadow Wizard Hates Omicron

Think you mentioned it before but looks like chat search still isn't 100% back so can't find it. :(

Luuklag

Shadow Wizard Hates Omicron

@Luuklag yummy! But doesn't it leak?

Especially when the coffee is hot?

Luuklag

8:42 AM

@ShadowWizardHatesOmicron No, it claims it stays good for about half an hour

Shadow Wizard Hates Omicron

@Luuklag claims... but as you actually had one, how was it in reality?

Luuklag

40 minutes even. Well I don't take so long to finish my coffee, and didn't had any complaints

Shadow Wizard Hates Omicron

Car companies claim it's doing 30 km/L when it actually doing maybe half....

Luuklag

And the cup tastes a bit like an icecream cone, infused with coffee flavour

Shadow Wizard Hates Omicron

@Luuklag nice, and ecologic. :D

Wonder if we have it here.

And if we have those coffee cones for sale in shops, like the icecream cones.

Luuklag

8:45 AM

@ShadowWizardHatesOmicron they do worldwide shipping: cupffee.me

Shadow Wizard Hates Omicron

@Luuklag where? Didn't see any link to let me order.

Just "contact us" form.

Luuklag

> SHIPPING WORLDWIDE

Cupffee is avaible in boxes of 200/240 cups or Euro palettes of 9600/8460 cups.
We ship worldwide and offer extremely short production times.

Shadow Wizard Hates Omicron

Well "worldwide" does not mean "to every country in the world", sadly. :(

> Unfortunately, we do not ship to your country. If you want to make a request, please contact us.

Probably to some few selected places.

But thanks for checking this out! :D

Luuklag

If you contact them and ask for a pallet full, I bet they'll ship it

Shadow Wizard Hates Omicron

@Luuklag 200 cups? that's a risk, probably cost a lot, and might not like it eventually... :/

Will wait until it reach Israel. :D

(I mean officially :))

Luuklag

8:52 AM

@ShadowWizardHatesOmicron 106,57 it states for me. Probably excludes shipping

Shadow Wizard Hates Omicron

@Luuklag dollars?? Nah, I'll pass. :)

Luuklag

EUR

Tinkeringbell

@Luuklag Even worse :P

Shadow Wizard Hates Omicron

lol

tripleee

9:29 AM

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SPArcheon

9:49 AM

@Luuklag always love how that idea was actually dreamed far before becoming a thing...

At the very best...

@Feeds I am surprised the tooltip doesn't read something like "First, keep data out of the light. Second, never give it any water. Third, most important of all, never feed your data after midnight."

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@ShadowWizardHatesOmicron Less than importing a Fluttershy figure from Amazon.jp, but I wouldn't put the coffee pallet on display on the bookshelf

Catija

2:10 PM

@RyanM I think they're IP based. Should be in the complete rate limiting guide.

> Users with < 125 rep on the current site, 40 minutes since their last question anywhere on the network (This applies to the user's IP address, not their account. If the user shares that IP with other users, they can be limited by the other user asking a question anywhere on the network; similarly, if the same user posts a question from a different IP address, they may not be limited.)

Luuklag

Looks like the last was the case then.

cigien

2:28 PM

@Catija Thank you.

Luuklag

Mmmm I'm thinking we're about do for a canonical: What to do when your post containes code that isn't formatted as code

Kevin B

3:33 PM

format it as code

Catija

4:32 PM

Looks like the flags on comments on mobile should be back - I see them on my phone.

Kevin B

i'm on desktop (i think?) and can't flag comments on mso

errr, nvm, i'm blind

i was looking in the wrong place

i was looking for a "Flag" text link next to edit

Spevacus

@Catija Yep, can confirm.

Catija

Cool. :)

Spevacus

Thanks for being quick on the draw to relay the problem to the engineers. :D

Wolgwang

@Catija What about related and linked questions tab?

And have they intentionally squeezed the "visit chat" tab?

Catija

4:50 PM

Over the next week or so (by the end of the month) we'll be removing all of the customizations for mobile views across the product so that we only have the one "full site" view. As we remove those mobile checks, all of these little problems should disappear.

That means (I think) that the linked questions and chat boxes should appear the same in the future on mobile as they do on the full site, but follow the break points for the page (so they'll appear under the answers).

Mithical

@Catija That doesn't include chat, correct?

Catija

Mobile chat isn't going anywhere, as far as I'm aware.

Mithical

that's good

Catija

Yeah, full site chat may have more features but it's way more difficult to use on a phone.

Wolgwang

@Catija That 'mobile' option in the footer too, right?

Catija

4:56 PM

@Mithical Confirmed, any changes to chat to make it responsive will be a separate project, that isn't on anyone's radar at the moment, so the mobile view will stick around.

@Wolgwang Correct. That's going to be removed entirely.

Mithical

(thumbsup) Chat could use some love, but definitely not high on the priority list.

Kevin B

if a chat redesign doesn't come with a built-in dark mode, it's going to be irrittating

Catija

Just parent all of your rooms in SFF chat?

Theming makes dark mode difficult. If we did it, we'd have to ignore the per-site themes in chat.

Mithical

Simple: If you press the "dark mode" button, your view defaults to SFF for the entire network.

Kevin B

^

only need 1 dark mode theme

let light mode be per site if you must, but dark mode is... well, dark,

personally i'd rather all chat rooms be under the same domain so i can just have one browser tab for all of them

Mithical

5:00 PM

(Although I made the Restaurant and SFF even darker mode using userscripts... especially the lighter top bar, that drives me crazy.)

Kevin B

my current dark mode applies the same design for each site, except for link color

links here are blue, so are orange, etc

pretty sure it was built for SO chat and just happens to work well elsewhere

Catija

I think Porkchat has a dark mode? But I stopped using it because it broke things that I needed.

@KevinB As a note, this can't happen. Apparently it would break the tables completely. So, as far as I'm aware, we will have three servers forever.

Kevin B

maybe... when the time comes, it'd be time to break the tables completely

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

if the goal is to just stick a new design on it, i can see wanting to avoid that

but the design is hardly the only problem with chat

Catija

I mean... chat IDs are global per server. This message has another message with an identical ID on chat.so and chat.se.... so trying to merge makes it necessary to re-assign numbers consistently to every message, sometimes more than once (replies, quotes, links, etc)... That's probably possible but it sounds really difficult.

I'm also not Nick Craver, and he uses words I don't understand, so I'm probably doing a terrible job of explaining why it's not possible.

It'd also require us to find all chat links across the network and edit them to the new URLs... or else risk breaking them.

That sounds like a lot of work. I'd rather we fix chat in a myriad of other ways before trying to fix that one.

Wolgwang

5:20 PM

One annoying 🪲 :

Jan 27 at 14:39, by Wolgwang

I was logged out of SE.
I joined a room say [this](https://chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/13752/mathjax?).
I clicked "logged in" and it redirected me to meta login page.
And after submitting the credentials there, it redirected me back to that room (with some numbers in the URL `https://chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/13752/mathjax?_=1304610XXX`
I turned on desktop mode and then it redirected me to Meta.SE homepage.
Is this intentional or a bug?

Sonic the Anti-New Variant-hog

5:36 PM

Now that the mobile site is undeployed and the app no longer works (on Android 12), I need to be careful to not exhaust my daily mobile data allowance next time I travel to India...

JNat

6:16 PM

@Luuklag gone

@rene gone

@Rob gone

rene

6:34 PM

→ 90 messages moved to Chimney

Luuklag

6:50 PM

@Catija I think the project would be: redesign chat

@SonictheAnti-NewVariant-hog sounds like the solution is to NOT travel to India

Or get an RSS feed to read your questions

Ryan M

7:40 PM

@Catija ah right, thanks!

Sonic the Anti-New Variant-hog

8:00 PM

@Luuklag Context links:

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Q: Please don't completely remove the mobile website, for the benefit of users on slow connections

A Stack Exchange employee just said the following regarding the mobile site: We are actively working on the responsive design that works on both desktop and mobile, based on screen size. Once that is finished and perfected, mobile web will be slated for complete removal. I was recently visiting...

feature-request status-declined mobile-web speed

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A: Deprecating our mobile views

Can reducing the bandwidth of page loads please be made a higher priority? As I posted 1.5 years ago, one of the key uses for the mobile site was so that users on slow Internet connections (dial-up, 2G, any connection less than 1 megabit/s) could access the site and have it load in reasonable tim...

Sadly, due to our dated laws, it's difficult for my relatives to come here. My uncle was denied a tourist visa several times.

Kevin B

i mean

why not make the non-mobile view friendly to your situation

i'm sure everyone can benefit from the site overall being less heavy.

TylerH

8:32 PM

@KevinB You don't want the full jQuery download on each page?

Kevin B

not specifically

Luuklag

Can't that be cached?

Kevin B

it being cached doesn't reduce the initial footprint

Sonic the Anti-New Variant-hog

8:56 PM

@KevinB That's what the second link is requesting

Kevin B

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

i don't necessarily agree with that route

i don't think requesting something be... of higher priority, really does anything to accomplish goals. Words are easy.

Kevin B

9:50 PM

type "install google" into your taskbar

"Download Now"

lol

err, i ended up in the wrong chat tab

Mithical

dangers of making them all look the same

rene

we can do socvr here as well ...

I see how you got here ;)

Kevin B

;)

if they were all in the same window, them looking the same wouldn't be a problem

just change room

Vickel

11:43 PM

is this disguised spam? meta.stackexchange.com/questions/376363/… or just off-topic

Spevacus

@Vickel It doesn't seem promotional to me, the website name just seems to give context. I just voted to close.

Vickel

@Spevacus I flagged it as off topic, as I have <3k here I cannot CV. Anyway I was also curious if this could be seen as a spam attempt, but I should have trusted the TLD .org, I guess :)

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