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01:00

@SonictheAnonymousHedgehog This has happened so many times that unless you can get confirmation from staff that it was accidental I have to assume it was deliberate. And I think the internal tags/categories the use don't always get shown as visible tags to us. Lots of other syndicated posts didn't have an "announcement" tag. — curiousdannii 1 hour ago

People can't assume good faith these days

Feeds

02:21

Geometry textbooks always try to trick you by adding decorative stripes and dotted lines.

Feeds

04:44

stackoverflow.blog/2021/08/31/…

rene

→ 22 messages moved to Chimney

Journeyman Geek

05:14

@Feeds Exploring the magic of knowing what a blog post is about with oneboxes!

Rob

05:29

Don't do chrime:

Reprod using chrime on huawei P20 pro in the responsive site. — Luuklag 53 mins ago

Journeyman Geek

Is that a new browser or a spelling misteak?

Also the sticky top bar is getting on my nerves 😡

Mithical

06:03

I just added a new answer there.

rene

I like to order 2 pizza's, medium, with extra cheese

Rob

It's sticky on the main site's main page: stackoverflow.com but here it is not: stackoverflow.com/users/current - so it's not like it must be sticky.

Tinkeringbell

06:58

@rene and pineapple :)

Luuklag

@JourneymanGeek its a steak alright ;)

Sonic the Anonymous Hedgehog

07:23

I once thought the color teak was a misspelling of teal

@Tinkeringbell Quite honestly, I didn't know that it was a controversial topping on pizzas until around 2018. I thought it was a normal thing to get on pizzas, and that the main reason most catered pizzas didn't have it was to save cost.

Luuklag

@SonictheAnonymousHedgehog untill you find out the catered pizza's are made by "real" italians who disgust pineapple ;)

Sonic the Anonymous Hedgehog

@Luuklag They'd come from fast-food joints mostly (e.g. Pizza Hut, Domino's, etc.)

Basically, a brand new made-to-order pizza restaurant opened in Texas in 2018. I asked for pineapple and got looks from other customers; same thing happened in south Florida

The same didn't happen in my native Southern California at a similar place

Luuklag

Texas, doesn't that say enough ;)

Shree

What happen when flag canned comment by community as NLN, if OP edit the post but comment is still alive. Should we flag comment as NLN ? What is MOD action on that flag. Mark helpful, declined because it's auto delete or helpful. Or wait for auto delete comment by system.

Sonic the Anonymous Hedgehog

@Shree As far as I'm aware, SE failed to completely unship a really old feature a long time ago, and so comments from Community can't be flagged.

Shree

07:37

I see flag option there.

Sonic the Anonymous Hedgehog

Try submitting the flag.

Shree

But dont try to flag.

Tinkeringbell

Moderators can't delete those comments, at least not now. I believe that's something that's being worked on though (I hope!)

Shree

@SonictheAnonymousHedgehog Ohh why option if there is no way to submit.

Is it bug already reported :P

Sonic the Anonymous Hedgehog

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Q: Cannot flag comments made Community♦ regarding dead URLs

I was digging through some lovely unicorn paraphernalia, when I came across a comment which is now incorrect. I attempted flagging it as 'obsolete', but I got this error message: Doesn't Community know that links can sometimes fix themselves after a while? If not, I think we need to teach him,...

Shree

07:40

Thanks.

Sonic the Anonymous Hedgehog

Basically, there was a feature experiment long ago to place automatic comments on posts with links that result in 404 errors, among others such as links to IP address URLs. The idea would be that once the link is edited out, the comment would be automatically deleted, so there was no point in flagging them. The commenting logic and the comment-deleting logic were removed, but not the logic that disallows flags on Community comments for this reason.

Shree

If flag is enable, how MOD judge that flag, not all MOD expert on that particular field ?? After edit it's Link only answer, spam, summary of link or useless edit .............. so many option there.

Sonic the Anonymous Hedgehog

If the comment doesn't fit the answer? (e.g. a link-only answer comment on something that's not a link-only answer)?

Shree

Some time Https://example.com/apiV/2.1...... , its's bug <link>, It's not possible <link> all are answer. But community post that comment. Not happy with community. Nothing to say. I only see single site from my eye and unable imagine impact for whole SE network.

Journeyman Geek

08:56

@Shree if the link is completely broken, its obvious

in some cases there might be archived content

rene

09:47

waffles

rene

11:53

I'm sorry but this just happened: i.sstatic.net/agaEY.png

Luuklag

@rene That's Leet!

I however am dealing with strange behaviour in my program. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't

and it is somewhere in the conjunction of one of the 50 parameters I entered today

rene

Schrödinger app

Luuklag

yeah

the parameters are names for products, which all have their own data underneath

one product throws up an error when it is in with the other 49

but on its own, even entered in mulitples it works fine

rene

data related bugs are the best bugs

Luuklag

yeah, so the data from the product itself is not dodgy, but probably my handling of it somewhere in my spaghetti is

Spevacus

12:04

@rene Did you clear it accidentally? Last I remember that number was well above 10k for you or something wild.

rene

@Spevacus yeah, I'm not even sure how it happened but at some day it was reset ...

Spevacus

:(

Luuklag

@rene like your cars odometer, it overflowed to 0

rene

:D

Rob

It is no longer sticky. 😀

Luuklag

12:20

@Rob toffee?

Well I found out where my program goes wrong. If some value is 0, the result of that calculation is "n.a.", caused by devision by 0. Then trying to sum that "n.a." goes wrong obviously

Shadow Wizard Wearing Mask V2

@Rob wet wipe?

@Luuklag how come? N/A+N/A should be N/A too

In JS NaN does it.

Luuklag

well its litterally a string

Shadow Wizard Wearing Mask V2

Any operation on NaN results in NaN as well, never error.

Luuklag

and excel doesn't like to sum numbers and strings

Shadow Wizard Wearing Mask V2

@Luuklag boo

Switch to JS ;)

Luuklag

12:29

Thats the fun of mixing normal worksheetformula and vba

Shadow Wizard Wearing Mask V2

Basic sucks when it comes to data types

I mean, "A"+5 is trivially "A5". ;)

So why block such basic action just because one is a string and one is a number?

rene

@ShadowWizardWearingMaskV2 Yes, what else should it be?

Shadow Wizard Wearing Mask V2

@EkadhSingh-ReinstateMonica nice new avatar!

Sadly the head is cut off. :(

Luuklag

@ShadowWizardWearingMaskV2 unless A is an integer with value 5

Shadow Wizard Wearing Mask V2

@Luuklag no no, I fixed it, meant "A" is a literal string, not variable. :)

Luuklag

12:32

@ShadowWizardWearingMaskV2 They need a new name: EkadhSingh-HeadlessGiraffe

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Shadow Wizard Wearing Mask V2

@Luuklag rofl

Luuklag

@ShadowWizardWearingMaskV2 well, garbage in, garbage out xD

but 5 more lines of exception handling fixed this.

Fun thing is, tuesday I have to hand this over to real dev's. They can dig up this VBA and make it into an API

Shadow Wizard Wearing Mask V2

@Luuklag let me guess, If IsNumeric(n) = False Then ...?

Rob

@ShadowWizardWearingMaskV2 diaper burst

Shadow Wizard Wearing Mask V2

@Rob diaper contents are rarely sticky, in case of healthy baby. They're just stinky.

Luuklag

12:35

If AA = 2 Then
If wks_Risk_cal.Cells(AA, 7).Value = "n.a." Then
wks_AI_res.Cells(row, 24).Value = 0
Else
wks_AI_res.Cells(row, 24 - 2 + AA).Value = wks_Risk_cal.Cells(AA, 7)
End If
Else

@ShadowWizardWearingMaskV2 only the first few days

Rob

You know we can't post that image again.

Shadow Wizard Wearing Mask V2

@Luuklag flag as "lack of Indentation" :D

Luuklag

@ShadowWizardWearingMaskV2 rofl, thank this last century chat for that

Shadow Wizard Wearing Mask V2

@Luuklag first few days aren't even stinky, but neither pee nor poop are really sticky? :P

Luuklag

Shadow Wizard Wearing Mask V2

12:37

@Luuklag even chat support code formatting, with four spaces in the beginning of each line. ;)

Luuklag

Meconium

Meconium is the earliest stool of a mammalian infant. Unlike later feces, meconium is composed of materials ingested during the time the infant spends in the uterus: intestinal epithelial cells, lanugo, mucus, amniotic fluid, bile and water. Meconium, unlike later feces, is viscous and sticky like tar, its color usually being a very dark olive green; it is almost odorless. When diluted in amniotic fluid, it may appear in various shades of green, brown, or yellow. It should be completely passed by the end of the first few days after birth, with the stools progressing toward yellow (digested milk...

Rob

@ShadowWizardWearingMaskV2 Sticky or not sticky: twitter.com/dadsaysjokes/status/1148671856192491520?lang=en

Shadow Wizard Wearing Mask V2

If AA = 2 Then
    If wks_Risk_cal.Cells(AA, 7).Value = "n.a." Then
        wks_AI_res.Cells(row, 24).Value = 0
    Else
        wks_AI_res.Cells(row, 24 - 2 + AA).Value = wks_Risk_cal.Cells(AA, 7)
    End If
Else

@Luuklag ^

@Luuklag lol

@Rob doesn't stick :D

New record in Den!

@rene did you put some failsafe in the code?

If not, Kenny isn't a perfect anti freeze bot. ;)

(next is 6 days, then 12 days, then.... room will freeze after 14 days)

rene

@ShadowWizardWearingMaskV2 we didn't need it in the last 6 to 8 years, I'm sure we don't need it for another 6 to 8 weeks ...

Shadow Wizard Wearing Mask V2

12:54

hmm but I don't want to break the silence

rene

well, if I'm going to make changes I have to restart kenny so that will break the silence anyway

Tinkeringbell

@rene Even more reason to do it now then :P

in Shadow's Den, 2 mins ago, by Shadow Wizard Wearing Mask V2

nooooooooooo

Luuklag

@Tinkeringbell you evil parrot

Shadow Wizard Wearing Mask V2

lol

Tinkeringbell

@Luuklag Hey, we no longer have 'Be nice', and the Code of Conduct doesn't ban this :P

Shadow Wizard Wearing Mask V2

13:05

@rene yeah with his "Tada!"

Luuklag

Well I got my prototype ready

expect gazzillion questions in 6-8 days

Shadow Wizard Wearing Mask V2

@Tinkeringbell I'll post feature request asking to add "Don't break the silence in chat rooms". ;)

Tinkeringbell

@ShadowWizardWearingMaskV2 Well that's... going to be awkward :P

Shadow Wizard Wearing Mask V2

Good way to get rid of some rep.... :D

rene

@Luuklag biertje?

Luuklag

13:09

@rene I need something stronger I think xD

Shadow Wizard Wearing Mask V2

@Luuklag coffee!!

Luuklag

@ShadowWizardWearingMaskV2 make it Irish ;)

Shadow Wizard Wearing Mask V2

!!/Irish Cream for Luuk

SmokeDetector

@ShadowWizardWearingMaskV2 No such command 'irish'.

Shadow Wizard Wearing Mask V2

:(

Luuklag

13:14

Shadow Wizard Wearing Mask V2

@Luuklag extra topping! :D

Luuklag

cold coffee =/= coffee

Tinkeringbell

@Luuklag Darn, now I want some...

Journeyman Geek

Please welcome Valued Associates: #958 - V2Blast & #959 - SpencerG

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Luuklag

@JourneymanGeek now Journey can rest his horses about hiring from the community

Journeyman Geek

13:29

@Luuklag naw, that's something that I feel should never rest

@Luuklag I'm glad to see people applied and got hired

but I don't feel that the mending of bridges, so to speak is anywhere near done

Luuklag

@JNat cross site spammer (that has 1 valid post on SO) stackexchange.com/users/8160376/airlabs?tab=accounts

Journeyman Geek

So, I'll appreciate the wins, but...

its not over ;)

Ollie

@Luuklag is it? I've only seen them on opendata.SE

Shadow Wizard Wearing Mask V2

@Luuklag only one hired from community, and only because of his IRL past jobs.

Shree

@JourneymanGeek So all MOD is expert for all domain ??

Journeyman Geek

13:38

@ShadowWizardWearingMaskV2 he's an excellent hire

@Shree we might not be expert in all domains, but if something is obvious enough, we can handle it

if it isn't, we'll ask around

Shree

@Shree so how @JourneymanGeek its answer my question ? how ??

Journeyman Geek

@Shree I meant

"If a link was obviously not working, we'd know"

Rob

@Luuklag But not the timezone.

Journeyman Geek

and to some extent we don't need to be experts in everything, just know enough to make a judgement or ask for help

@Rob That didn't come up till the last time

and why I won't be applying further

Luuklag

@Rob Yeah, but as long as @Catija keeps working till the middle of the night SE will be fine ;)

Journeyman Geek

13:46

its the one thing I literally can't do anything about

Tinkeringbell

@JourneymanGeek Move! Your place won't be ready until 2023 anyways, so you can always first rent something somewhere else, in a timezone they do allow you to work from :P

Ollie

@JourneymanGeek Catija working until midnight or...?

Journeyman Geek

@Ollie the time zone requirement

Tinkeringbell

@JourneymanGeek Now I wonder what you can do against Catija working until midnight :P

Catija

What have I done now?

Journeyman Geek

13:47

that said - its also more than "one person"

its also about trying to nudge the culture of the place back in the right direction

Rob

Timezone violation

Tinkeringbell

@Catija work too much ;)

Luuklag

@Catija sleep too little ;)

Journeyman Geek

One can have a job they hate, and sleep too little :D

Better to have a job that keeps one up for the right reasons

Luuklag

@JourneymanGeek that's called alcoholism ;)

Journeyman Geek

13:52

@Luuklag Wait, I need to take up drinking now?

Rob

They hire an average of one person per five days (assuming no skipping): 13×365÷959 = 4.95

Luuklag

@Rob I wonder what the rate of leaving is

Ekadh Singh - Reinstate Monica

@ShadowWizardWearingMaskV2 I am the headless ~~horse~~ giraffeman xD

Tinkeringbell

@JourneymanGeek What, according to you, are 'right reasons'? :P The whole idea of jobs is that you sell your time, so the only 'right' reason I can imagine is needing more money?

Shadow Wizard Wearing Mask V2

@EkadhSingh-ReinstateMonica :D

--- for strikethrough @EkadhSingh e.g. ---foo---: ~~foo~~

Ekadh Singh - Reinstate Monica

13:58

Oh

Shadow Wizard Wearing Mask V2

space after last "-" needed

Ekadh Singh - Reinstate Monica

Thank you

Shadow Wizard Wearing Mask V2

yay!

And all in the edit window, impressive. :P

Rob

You foo'd your foo, you fo'

Shadow Wizard Wearing Mask V2

yah

admits guilt in shame

Tinkeringbell

14:01

There is a sanbox for this nonsense, next time use it :)

Shadow Wizard Wearing Mask V2

@Tinkeringbell wanted to tell @Ekadh how to format it in real time, before edit expires

Luuklag

@JNat cross site spammer: stackexchange.com/users/17997464/…

Shadow Wizard Wearing Mask V2

@Luuklag image spam? It's really weird, and looks like more and more are doing it.

Ollie

@ShadowWizardWearingMaskV2 seeing is believing. Images tend to get people fired up more than a bunch of swearwords or just writing down a load of abuse. Flag 'em just the same.

Journeyman Geek

@Tinkeringbell not what I do now 😁

Spevacus

14:12

@JourneymanGeek I believe I've asked this before, but on those image-only/selfie posts, you guys are cool with rude flags on them right?

Journeyman Geek

@Spevacus yes

Spevacus

cool /o/

Ollie

@Spevacus why would they use rude flags?

Journeyman Geek

@Ollie autonuke

Ollie

@JourneymanGeek can't you use spam flags for that?

Spevacus

14:17

@Ollie Technically it's not spam (no product or service is being promoted) it's an abuse of the system.

Ekadh Singh - Reinstate Monica

It is NAA (but iirc that isn’t autonuke)

Journeyman Geek

@Ollie internally they work the same

Ollie

@JourneymanGeek yerse... at that point, they're just known as red flags?

Spevacus

Indeed

Tinkeringbell

@JourneymanGeek Hahaha

Same here, actually. :P

Journeyman Geek

14:21

@Ollie more or less

I mean you could custom flag but there's no real benefit over nuking the post unless there's a pattern of trolling

And I think a lot of them are genuinely confused

Ollie

@JourneymanGeek They gave them back-to-back numbers? That never happens.

Journeyman Geek

Well if they got hired back to back... why not?

And the openings were at roughly the same time

Ollie

@JourneymanGeek @Slate and Vanny got hired back to back, didn't they? They had 945 and 948.

Spevacus

So what does "Associate" Community Manager mean?

Mithical

Some sort of seniority label, I think?

Junior, Associate, Senior, Staff, or something like that

Journeyman Geek

14:27

@Spevacus lower seniority

@Mithical pretty much

Spevacus

/o/

Journeyman Geek

Associate, CM and staff is what I have seen

Though the grades is new. It was just 'CM's in the old days

I think there's allegedly a level for interns

@Ollie got announced together. No idea what it is internally

Ollie

@JourneymanGeek I wonder what happened to VA's 949, 950, 951...957

Journeyman Geek

Probably other openings

Kevin B

marketing

Journeyman Geek

14:31

There's a lot of roles in sales and such who we never interact with

@KevinB I see a lot of engineering/sre openings too

That's positive

Yes there's a lot of sales and marketing roles. If they do well, the network hopefully does well...

Kevin B

i mean, whatever makes you feel good about it, ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Journeyman Geek

@KevinB I mean it is what it is

As long as we don't have another restructuring making us lose community resources I don't begrudge that

Then again we're in a situation where we pretty much are rebuilding the CM team from scratch cause it happened more then once so....

They better not blow it 😁

@KevinB more SREs and CMs? Yeah. Marketing and sales? Doesn't get me excited but it is something that helps keep the lights on.

Mithical

Didn't they kinda gut their entire marketing team recently?

Journeyman Geek

14:46

@Mithical they killed off careers for all intents and purposes

Kevin B

I work in marketing and have for a long while, i'm certainly not going to disagree with marketing being valuable, ;)

Journeyman Geek

I wouldn't say good riddance but it was kinda the part of the business that kept failing ._.

Kevin B

it just makes me someone who can see through the facade

Mad Scientist

@JourneymanGeek I'm still surprised how this stuff can fail easily when it's so damn expensive. But I suppose it's just a lot of people in the back for sales and marketing which are expensive as well

Journeyman Geek

@MadScientist well ...

Its a crowded market

And I think nearly every programmer is either networking or getting a job online

Kevin B

14:51

it's the one part i hated to see but also hate to see go

Journeyman Geek

And the 'SO' brand wasn't as big a differenciator as they thought

Kevin B

we were effectively priced out of using SO Jobs

Mad Scientist

my other guess is that they were actually too expensive compared to the alternatives

Kevin B

so it as a business resource was useless for us

but for me personally... having a profile linked to it with 90k rep isn't a bad thing

Journeyman Geek

For all the complaints - I have had better luck finding interesting jobs to apply over LinkedIn

Kevin B

14:53

i hate linked in

Journeyman Geek

I do too

Kevin B

it's done nothing but attract 3rd party business to repeatedly call me every day or email me every day about how we're failing because we aren't using their product

Journeyman Geek

Lol

That's why people complain

Kevin B

from a job perspective, it did attract a few good offers years ago, but nothing in a long time

Journeyman Geek

And if you know where you want to work you can go direct

So essentially.... What's the value add? 😁

Catija

14:56

@Mithical There's no junior. and there's just a non-titled one between associate and senior.

Journeyman Geek

'vanilla' CMs 😁

Spevacus

15:17

@V2Blast o/

V2Blast

@Spevacus Hello! \o

Spevacus

Congratulations on your new job (and your recent move)!

Mithical

has the rush of power gone to your head yet

V2Blast

@JourneymanGeek <3

@Spevacus Thank you!

@Mithical I hear a loud whooshing noise... is that supposed to happen?

Mithical

Hmm. If it persists for more than four hours, see your doctor

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Journeyman Geek

15:20

@V2Blast I calls em as I sees em 😁

Kevin B

🚽

V2Blast

!!/tea

SmokeDetector

@V2Blast brews a cup of mint tea for @V2Blast

Ollie

sdc tea-mixed-with-macchiato V2blast

SmokeDetector

@Ollie No such command 'tea-mixed-with-macchiato'.

Shree

15:35

@JourneymanGeek Thanks. Mod always know what go around and ................. It's not all about link about content.

Journeyman Geek

@Ollie are you trying to poison him?

Shree

Waffle for MOd.

Ollie

@JourneymanGeek coffee mixed with tea is an excellent morning potion. You should try it.

Shree

I know I am going to kick when BLAME MOD .

Journeyman Geek

@Ollie portion of what? projectile vomiting? :D

Ollie

15:46

@JourneymanGeek It gives you long canines, a hat, odd sense of humor and a distinctly blurry feeling about the chops.

Journeyman Geek

uh... you got bitten by a werewolf ....

Ollie

@JourneymanGeek no, I've been spending too much time in the Tavern ;)

Mithical

Same thing.

Both make it quite difficult to connect to other human beings.

Kevin B

16:05

i mean

that depends on what you mean by "connect"

Journeyman Geek

@Mithical technically if you were a small dog...

(and I miss the little old doggo 😭)

Journeyman Geek

16:18

I'm going to zzzz but...

6

Q: Resolving Community user and "share feedback" issues in review queues

On our announcement for our updates to review queue workflows, we got a ton of feedback on the Community user being the one posting comments for users. Here's a quick summary of some of the major points: It's not clear to many users that Community is a bot that they can't reply to Mods cannot d...

discussion review announcements

Going to drip this here first

Tinkeringbell

Oh that sounds promising! Sleep well ..

Rob

@Luuklag We'll know when an Announcement suddenly switches to negative numbers. 😀

Rob

16:34

@Spevacus Like someone who works at a big box store, or Starbucks, their name tag says "Associate"; associated practices are: having teams, too many meetings, and referring to employment as opportunities for the applicant. That is why businesses quit doing that over 25 years ago, people would hear a few of those terms being thrown around in an important manner, and knew that the opposite applied.

Ekadh Singh - Reinstate Monica

17:37

@V2Blast out of curiosity, did your job description mention wether or not you would get poked by pointy sticks?

V2Blast

17:51

@EkadhSingh-ReinstateMonica I don't recall off the top of my head... but I already knew that'd be a part of the job :P

rene

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Kevin B

19:28

twitter

Slate

Ya know what sucks? Waiting for a package with an expected delivery date of today, but it has not been tracked since it left the origin...

Kevin B

what i find annoying is when i am given an option to set a delivery date, and it arrives the day before when i'm not there

Slate

Oh yes. Especially when it's a signature-required package.

rene

@AlwaysConfused it is unclear why you advertise your question here. Let's not do that again.

→ 1 message moved to Trashcan

Rob