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00:34
Super minor typo in the SO blog post about Metaverse: the leading "t" is not included in the link for "trading virtual sword and shields...".
@Bubbler also probably should be "swords"
@Bubbler posting a meta post or a comment on the blog for these is fine.
@JourneymanGeek was that your intended reply target?
@Slate lol. Complain lots till they fix it!
@RyanM no
Waffle.
00:42
@JourneymanGeek Wait, you can comment on the blog? Huh, til
@Dudecoinheringaahing iirc yes. Takes a day or two to approve
 
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04:22
I am pretty sure that if you chat on your program chair, security would be involved
37 messages moved to Chimney
04:41
hm, my connection to both the chat servers I use glitched
Same, at least Chat.SO. It either didn't affect Chat.SE or was back by the time I checked.
though Smokey's acting up so it looks like that was also affected.
Was literally just a blip
I was going to check my router when it timed out, then realised the other 2 chat apps/3 services I have were running fine
It lasted at least maybe...30 seconds? I was trying to send a request to SOCVR and it kept failing. Eventually realized that I just couldn't connect to the chat at all.
Oneboxes are dead, long live bare links!
 
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@Luuklag \o
08:47
@Bubbler Selling BELLS in Animal Crossing.
Selling an ingame currency in an OFFLINE game that throws money at you.
Yet apparently based on Google... the thing exist.
...
@SPArcheon The mobile game, or the Switch one?
@Tinkeringbell Can't really see a way to sell money on the mobile game. There is no way to trade money with another player outside agreeing to buy inflated price items from their shop.
Furthermore, the Google results were mentioning ACNH - so that is New Horizon, the Switch game.
kinda... weird.
09:06
@Mithical easy to check.... ;)
@Rob cows are fine, they're not blue.
Red cow is a different story.
@SPArcheon Yeah, that is weird, it's very easy to earn bells :|
I know there's a market for 'dreamies', but even that is weird since it's relatively easy to go hunting for those yourself too.
@M.A.R. how is the pharmacy's wireless keyboard?
Jul 21 '19 at 16:47, by Marshmallow
@ShaWiz Ha, no, I was testing the pharmacy's wireless keyboard. It was running out of battery.
@Tinkeringbell some people are just lazy. ;)
(prefer to pay few $$$ instead of spending even one hour of their time)
@ShadowWizardWearingMaskV2 Very true.
But when it comes to games like Animal Crossing, I find that very, very weird because the whole point of the game is to be lazy :P
@Tinkeringbell I wonder if the Switch has any "Action Replay" like cheating device.
Would make the thing even more silly (just buy the device for half the price probably)
09:44
in SO Close Vote Reviewers on Stack Overflow Chat, 1 hour ago, by tripleee
not a programming question https://stackoverflow.com/questions/68903834/using-an-apa-format-how-do-i-report-an-f-statistic-with-a-value-of-2-67e30
srsly, bump
@SPArcheon I don't know about that. Cheating on the Switch can be very hard, e.g. Stardew Valley can't be played with mods or save file editing.
@tripleee would love to help out but have no rep there ;)
@tripleee migrated now, probably will be rejected there as well
Rob
Rob
10:01
@ShadowWizardWearingMaskV2 That's discrimination.
How about Brown Cows?
@Luuklag thanks guys, it just seemed crazy to have an obviously off-topic question sit there for over an hour
@ShadowWizardWearingMaskV2 Here is a "blue" cow
@tripleee It's SO, off-topic questions can sit there forever
the center cannot hold
@tripleee ?
Rob
Rob
The nilgai (Boselaphus tragocamelus) (, literally meaning "blue cow") is the largest Asian antelope and is ubiquitous across the northern Indian subcontinent. It is the sole member of the genus Boselaphus and was described by Peter Simon Pallas in 1766. The nilgai stands 1–1.5 m (3.3–4.9 ft) at the shoulder; males weigh 109–288 kg (240–635 lb), and the lighter females 100–213 kg (220–470 lb). A sturdy thin-legged antelope, the nilgai is characterised by a sloping back, a deep neck with a white patch on the throat, a short crest of hair along the neck terminating in a tuft, and white facial spots...
10:06
The Belgian Blue (French: 'Blanc-Bleu Belge', Dutch: 'Belgisch Witblauw') is a breed of beef cattle from Belgium. It may also be known as the Race de la Moyenne et Haute Belgique.:95 Alternative names for this breed include Belgian Blue-White; Belgian White and Blue Pied; Belgian White Blue; Blue; and Blue Belgian. The Belgian Blue's extremely lean, hyper-sculpted, ultra-muscular physique is termed "double-muscling". The double-muscling phenotype is a heritable condition resulting in an increased number of muscle fibers (hyperplasia), instead of the (normal) enlargement of individual muscle fibers...
@Luuklag it's a quote from a poem by Yeats put probably better known on Stack Overflow as one of the vivid phrases from the infamous Chtulhu regex answer
evokes images of chaos and madness, but I was also tinking literally that us (relative) oldtimers can no longer hold up against the endlessly rising tide of barbarian newcomers
generally if something slam-dunk like that gets brought up in SOCVR, it gets closed fairly quickly; but the scope and mandate of SOCVR is limited
WIBNI there was a cross-network process? I have been looking for a place to bring up delete-worthy ool closed questions from other sites
(on mobile, sorry for sloppy typing)
10:51
"All things fall apart
The center cannot hold..."
amusingly I know that part of the poem cause it was quoted by G'Kar :D
11:03
@tripleee Could be nice, but I wonder how useful vs. noisy it would be. After all, you need enough reputation on each site.
11:36
._.
asus is bad, didn't you know? :P
12:07
@Rob brown is different realm
 
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13:31
@Tinkeringbell why?
Because I just said so :P
13:41
R.I.P SO and all other sites except MSE
@ShadowWizardWearingMaskV2 whoops, I recently got an S15 VivoBook. Eh, looks like that person got some bad luck, and the linked computer had some pretty midway reviews. I only look for the (Asus) computers that have at least 80% 5-stars, to be on the safe side. Mine works just fine, and I use it very thoroughly.
@ShadowWizardWearingMaskV2 yeah, but chat still works there?
Getting varying errors, from 503 to 500 to just timeout waiting for the server to respond...
@Ollie stars are misleading, it's super easy to fake. (i.e. company hires reviewers.)
@Ollie yup chat on SO works. Weird, probably Fastly issue, as usual.
MSO works just fine.
The important sites are still active.
@ShadowWizardWearingMaskV2 I know, but out of thousands there should be some legit reviewers. Also, we've had plenty of Asus devices in the house and the two that broke were mostly thanks to some effing wild toddlers.
(chat isn't hosted on Fastly, it's served from good old IIS)
13:55
Is that why chat nearly never goes down?
@ShadowWizardWearingMaskV2 which seems more reliable.
in SO Close Vote Reviewers on Stack Overflow Chat, 10 mins ago, by Machavity
This is what happens when Nick Craver quits
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@Catija yeah, fully hosted by SE. No external vendors.
@Shree LOL
Deng it. I can't even login to talk in SO chat.
@Ollie your problem, next time allow third party cookies to have auto login. ;)
13:57
@ShadowWizardWearingMaskV2 blech.
@Ollie unless it's a shared computer, really can't see any problem with that.
S'back!
@Ollie good device should withstand kids. :D
We're investigating a widespread issue right now. — Taryn ♦ 1 min ago
:(
Apparently the DB in CO is unhappy?
14:02
Might be.... needz moar food....
@ShadowWizardWearingMaskV2 we do have an HP Notebook that we bought used. It's been with us about 5.5 years, been dropped down the stairs at least twice, accidentally kicked, been through five batteries and still runs.
Downside is, though, is freezes, bluescreens, runs pretty slowly, and feels like it's made of depleted uranium.
@Tinkeringbell :D Cute!
@Ollie oh, well, that's just typical Windows.
@ShadowWizardWearingMaskV2 but it's not strong enough to do the things I want it to, that's why I got a new one.
14:03
@Ollie gaming?
@Ollie Nope, it's died again :(
I find it amusing how all of twitter cries out in terror when SO goes down. :P Well, all of the Twitter I follow, anyway.
Cries out in terror or goes for a coffee... one or the other.
@Dudecoinheringaahing Dang and blast.
@Catija If SO is down, how are you guys supposed to find out how to fix it???
Hopefully it's not some super hacking attempt...
14:05
@Catija Just threaten it and tell it you'll switch to NoSQL if it doesn't behave ;-)
@Dudecoinheringaahing Yes, that's a common thread... "SO devs are the best devs because they have to be able to fix SO when it's down".
@Catija I'm nothing if not uncreative and repetitive in my jokes :P
@MadScientist I'll pass that along to the DBAs... I'm sure they'll find it very helpful.
14:06
@Catija I bet there's an offline read-only copy somewhere :P
@ShadowWizardWearingMaskV2 bergh. No one here does gaming. Metasploiting, running multiple VMs at the same time, PortSwigging - I do a good deal of stuff from SANS.
@Tinkeringbell I mean, we have SEDE. :P
I... think that still works?
@Catija See...
Always a way to cheat.
Plus, the API is still up, so the apps work (as well as they ever did) :P
14:08
@Catija yes, that works
I don't know whether it's particularly easy to use SEDE to find answers, though.
Stack Overflow's been running and dying sporadically for me. I think this is the 6th to 8th time.
Anyone else repro? Static?
I love the apps. :D It really is too bad that we can't invest in them since they are so useful.
@Ollie yeah, one refresh it's fine, another refresh... dead.
@Catija I use the apps for notifications and browsing HNQ. Everything else is broken :(
14:10
I use it for notifications, browsing the sites (great way to see negatively-scoring recently active questions), and for chat.
@Catija select * from posts where posttypeid = 2 ... there it is, all answers to every question .... I'm only trying to be helpful, right?
14:27
Force me to login again but API works and do stuff like autoflag when down. Can some one help to understand what's going around.
@Shree nobody knows, including the developers who are still investigating.
(or maybe now they know? Can't know if they know. ;))
I still think it's Fastly issue.
@ShadowWizardWearingMaskV2 d'you want to bet?
Hello, Slate.
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A: Error occurred - status 503 returned

SklivvzI originally thought it was an internal network blip between our load balancers and the web servers. It turns out that another explanation is likely correct. First of all, we've upgraded SQL Server to 2016 last week. This is great for a number of reasons, but we (and by "we" I mostly mean Nick C...

@Ollie yes! Winner get unicorn plush. :D
@Slate Can you give us a bird's-eye view of what's going on here?
I haven't seen anyone with a unicorn avatar. Or unicorn-related name...
14:32
@Ollie Server didn't get its morning coffee.
Neither did I, and I'm not that pissed.
Send coffee pls?
@ShadowWizardWearingMaskV2 brews a cup of Mocha for @Server
Now the server will be up and running in 6-8 minutes.
I mean, I'm a bird, so. I'll bring you a coffee bean? That's about as much as I can hold.
14:33
Cool ;)
:)
All seems to be working. Again
@Slate I beg to differ.
:D
If that parrot can, you can as well! ;)
They gave the parrot a tiny cup of coffee...
You don't know how big the parrot is ...
14:41
Hmm. I don't like that thought.
You like to be the largest bird in town?
14:59
@Slate sulphur crested cockatoos are pretty big
There's a introduced colony of em here
@Mithical Yessssss
@JourneymanGeek That's cool! Cockatoos in general are just... enormous birds. I've never seen a small cockatoo. Probably they exist.
@Slate we saw one casually trying to dismantle a coconut...
A whole coconut??
15:22
well yes...
At the very least it was yanking off bits of the husk and dropping it down
That's pretty neat.
Strong beak.
16:12
🥥
Cockatoos are pretty intelligent, and fun to interact with. But they can also be quite destructive. From environment.nsw.gov.au/questions/cockatoo-attack-property
Flocks of sulphur crested cockatoos are known to aggressively attack wood on trees, decks, outdoor furniture, window sills and houses. Such destruction is common, particularly in spring.
Having beautiful western red cedar window frames is a risky proposition if your house happens to attract the attention of sulphur-crested cockatoos.
I was always taught not to keep cockatoos as pets, because of the level of social bonding and constant engagement with the world they demand... and that it can be ridiculously hard on them to be stuck in a cage, even a large one.
Oh these are apparently decendants of escapeees from the ... 20s?
IME, all parrots are a bit feisty. But the large ones tend to be a bit more mellow than the smaller species.
MELLOW?!
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16:25
@PM2Ring I thought it was the other way around
Parakeets are sweet
the big ones tend to be kinda... destructive when bored
@Slate Definitely. I used to know a woman who had a few uncaged parrots in her house. They had protected spots they could go to rest, but they were free to roam around the house.
@Tinkeringbell Relatively speaking. :)
@ShadowWizardWearingMaskV2 I wouldn't know. Haven't been there for two years.
Which sucks
This pandemic has greatly enhanced the suction of things.
@PM2Ring That's cool. I can imagine that being reasonably nice for the birds. Or, about as nice as any bird-in-a-box could hope for, I think.
@Slate we have a local bird park I haven't been to since the pandemic
I saw a blue macaw trying to pick a lock with a stick...
@JourneymanGeek The bigger ones can do more damage, just because of their size. But if you watch them interact socially, the smaller ones tend to be more aggressive than the larger ones. Eg, female budgies during nesting season will kill each other if the competition for nesting sites is too high.
16:29
@PM2Ring ah see...
the really dangerous birds are...
the Mynahs
@JourneymanGeek cassowaries
our 'common' species is an invasive species (the Javan Mynahs) that displaced the common mynah....
I've seen them gang up on crows...
like 30-40 dive boming one
We have invasive mynahs here in Australia, too. They compete with our parrots for nesting hollows. :(
@PM2Ring My description of them isn't SE language rules friendly...
:D
I've seen them successfully attack a possum & drive it from its hollow.
16:32
Same variety I think
Probably
The common myna or Indian myna (Acridotheres tristis), sometimes spelled mynah, is a bird in the family Sturnidae, native to Asia. An omnivorous open woodland bird with a strong territorial instinct, the common myna has adapted extremely well to urban environments. The range of the common myna is increasing at such a rapid rate that in 2000 the IUCN Species Survival Commission declared it one of the world's most invasive species and one of only three birds listed among "100 of the World's Worst Invasive Species" that pose a threat to biodiversity, agriculture and human interests. In particular...
this is our native species
@JourneymanGeek Birdwatching's a lot of fun. This may be an inane question, but are there a wide variety of birds at that park?
If so, very envious.
@Slate Its like a zoo, with only birds
so yes
and a few places that're kinda netted but free range
so you can feed the birds
Jurong Bird Park is an aviary and tourist attraction in Jurong, Singapore. The bird park covers an area of 0.2 square kilometres (49 acres) on the western slope of Jurong Hill, the highest point in the Jurong region. It is one of the parks managed by Wildlife Reserves Singapore with Singapore Zoo, Night Safari and River Safari. Wildlife Reserves Singapore reported on 1 June 2016 that in 2020, Jurong Bird Park would be relocated to Mandai Lake Road with a new name for the Bird Park. However, due to impact from the COVID-19 pandemic, the move was pushed back to 2022. == History == The idea of a...
they're planning to move it close to the zoo :(
they're going to move the bird park??
16:35
@JourneymanGeek Ah. That"s our invader. Our native mynahs are smaller, with grey colouration.
@Slate yeah
next to the zoo, other zoo, and the night zoo...
(We have a 'regular' zoo, a zoo for riverine creatures, and a night zoo)
I wonder how you move birds. Birds seem like they'd generally be extremely uncooperative to being transposed.
well "very carefully"
they're mostly in enclosures of various sorts I guess
and a lot of them, especially the raptors are at least semi trained
Can't imagine the birds will be too happy about it... but makes sense.
I do recall they have a gryphon vulture or two...
@Slate I think its dumb to have them all in the same place
and the old location is nice
16:39
imo they should put the birds wherever is best for the birds
alas
@Slate well, other than pesky humans making them endangered....
their native spaces are best :D
Yeah but most people aren't going to think that way, they'll think "what's best for the money urban residents"
the local zoos do a lot of captive breeding, and rearing tho.
Oh
we're currently having 'issues' with hornbills eating captive birds and other such things
(in the 'wild')
@Slate They seemed to enjoy it. Her largest parrot, Halley, was quite intelligent, and articulate. (Sorry, I forget the species). She could say a list of food options, and he'd respond with which one he wanted. Unfortunately, he had a liking for icecream, which his previous owner gave him. (Parrots are lactose-intolerant). So when Halley asked for icecream she'd give him a non-dairy iced treat.
whatever that means in singapore
@Mithical erf
We had a construnction company 'accidentally' raze a primary forest
and no one noticed for 2 years
16:43
My parrot lady friend had a high turnover in keyboards. Her two cockatiels liked to perch on her wrists while she was typing. So after 3 months or so, the keyboard would die due to accumulated birdseed. :)
and a few of the new towns in singapore are in formerly green/wild spaces.
(Mine's apparently ex military training grounds... possibly slightly haunted...)
@Mithical True but :(
@JourneymanGeek Also true but :(
Oh
and my neighbourhood has FERAL CHICKENS...
@PM2Ring That's very cute. Parrot intelligence is something else.
which is cool
16:45
"Feral chickens" is a phrase that's both worrying and intriguing.
my sis had a cockatiel growing up
@Slate oh actually cough
family down in louisiana found it, fed it, and eventually took it in as a pet, they thought it was just an escaped pet. unfortunately... we didn't really socialize with it much, and so it was never really approachable
it escaped one day and we never saw it again
@Slate basically - there used to be a railway line belonging to the malaysians. There were pet chickens, which apparently escaped...
it closed down, and with the pandemic, there's less traffic so they started breeding and spreading
Alternatively, they might be jungle fowl
So there's chickens wandering around just outside the financial district
Man. Feral chickens. I mean, I figured they must exist somewhere.
Modern farm chickens are just so unsuited for living on their own...
though I'd guess these probably aren't that
16:52
@Slate only on Meta.
If my job turns from community management to "wrangle these feral chickens" I will be extremely confused. Not annoyed necessarily. Just confused.
oh, these are... not battery chickens
Y'know what, that's actually a very pretty bird.
they don't photograph well
@JourneymanGeek That's not a chicken it's a rooster (or cockerel)
16:59
@DavidPostill a poultry difference.
(I said chickens in plural :D )
There was only 1 bird in the 1st photo :)
The noun chicken can be countable or uncountable.

In more general, commonly used, contexts, the plural form will also be chicken.
17:08
@DavidPostill Maybe in a food context, but you wouldn't say "There are five chicken in that yard", would you?
But I guess you could say "This place is overrun with chicken".
The plural form of chicken is chickenx
 
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18:30
Is it safe to assume this retag-request has support, and start carrying it out?
@bobble I would allow for 6 to 8 days to reach all interested audiences. So wait for a few more days to reach a bit more views and hopefully votes.
19:08
And it got two downvotes pretty quickly. Anyone who was presumably linked there from here care to share why? I'm curious.
19:18
seems kinda... pointless. shuffling around of tags on a very small number of questions, that don't seem to have attracted any confusion due to the tag,
just fix the incorrectly tagged questions
What do you mean, "that don't seem to have attracted any confusion"? There are two contradictory uses of the tag, that's the whole point of the retag-request.
Yes, however it wasn't at all unclear what the questions were about
hence why it's easy to go through each one and decide what tag it should have
So would you have preferred I retag them quietly, without asking first?
seems in a lot of the cases, all that needs to occur is a tag removal
And only in 3 cases are and used together
19:31
What is a duplicate site proposal?
On Area 51, people proposing sites that other people think aren't distinct enough to merit separation.
is it meant to be used for reporting sites that were proposed already being proposed again?
Well, I can't really tell what it was meant to be used for beyond what it's been used on (which is an imperfect indicator) since there isn't an excerpt
it seems almost like a meta tag to me, a tag needlessly drilling down an already rarely discussed topic, that was almost never used for it's intended purpose anyway
but this one was people to be able to vote proposals as dupes, and this one is debating what constitutes a dupe proposal, and these two are arguing about specific proposals closed as a dupes
And then that the tag was exclusively used for duplicate questions.
Aug 19 at 22:46, by bobble
I'm looking for a tag to use for that last one - duplicate Area 51 proposals/asking for proposals to be merged - to retag questions, but as-is the tag is too broad and not good for my use. A different name would probably be better anyhow since this one is obviously unclear.
There are quite a few questions about merging proposals. That's different than just talking about proposals which are duplicates, though.
19:37
but my point is more... there are 3k+ users here, questions do get edited regularly, why is this any different? What brought about this proposal? idle curiosity?
What brought about the question was that I asked in chat (link ^) about whether it was worth making a formal retag-request for a tag with 17 questions and was told to go for it.
I was able to complete this review queue item by simulating the POST call. Is that a known bug?
@Glorfindel It's certainly a bug that you voted "leave open" :-)
that's one reason for posting it here, so people can correct it if they think it's a mistake :)
20:38
@SonictheAnonymousHedgehog @Glorfindel Mea culpa.
@Glorfindel Design. The system allows reviews 15 minutes after the review is completed, so that if a review was completed in the meantime while a hapless reviewer was reviewing, it'd still count for their review badges.
@ColeValleyGirl no problem, you posted a valid bug, we don't mind helping to clarify it :)
@SonictheAnonymousHedgehog yeah, but this is my own question and normally you can't review those.
Previously, this used to be indefinite - but a 15-minute restriction was introduced to combat abuse.
🚽
@Glorfindel Presumably the restriction against reviewing those is client-side only.
20:43
I guess so...
 
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22:30
@Glorfindel Might also be a Special Moderator Power
23:08
delete pls
23:26
Thank you, anonymous moderator that nuked the profile.

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