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Rob

00:09

!!/amiprivileged

SmokeDetector

@Rob ✓ You are a privileged user.

Rob

Like that!

forest distrusts StackExchange

01:02

@SmokeDetector Can I call that guy an idiot? :P

Sonic the Anonymous Hedgehog

01:24

Nov 6 '20 at 21:43, by Sonic the K-Day Hedgehog

@Ollie Please note that replies to its reports also get posted as comments on the report pages themselves, so it would be nice to reserve replies to report messages if you have something to say about the post.

Ryan M

@SonictheAnonymousHedgehog only applies to privileged users

Sonic the Anonymous Hedgehog

Ah, I thought it applied to everyone with an MS account, and I didn't know whether or not they had one.

Ryan M

forest isn't privileged, so replying has no effect

forest distrusts StackExchange

huh

Well, if I was privileged, then damn that would have made for some strange reports.

Ryan M

One of my considerations before asking for privileges in another channel was the impact on my ability to post tongue-in-cheek replies to SD reports.

(of course, you can always do that and then delete the comment from the MS interface if you have an MS account, a trick we often use in Charcoal HQ to point out posts that need more flags)

user1271772

02:20

Awwwwww @Zoethe1337 you were so close !!! Not bad for someone that had 7x less rep though!

Rob

02:42

The pen is mightier than the pen

Feeds

04:44

stackoverflow.blog/2021/06/23/…

Meta Andrew T.

@Feeds A deep dive into onebox and boxone

Rob

05:30

@MetaAndrewT. We even had XBox vs Feeds oneboxing earlier, there was a clear winner.

Ryan M

05:43

In a comment thread here, I asserted that "Bugs in a feature are not a duplicate of a different feature request in which someone requested the feature in an answer" and was told that "that's not how dupes on MSE are determined." Am I wrong, and if so, how are dupes on MSE determined?

rene

06:25

@RyanM In general I try to not dupe against something else: so if it is a bug, I'll find a previous bug report. Same for FRs. It gets as bit more complicated if the bug is for an FR that has as an answer the same bug report. I also note that some try to get a feature implemented by calling it a bug. It is a judgement game and both the judges and the game are still out.

Ryan M

Surely a different feature request where the feature that's malfunctioning was suggested as an additional thing that would be nice in answer is clearly not a dupe, though.

Shadow The Vaccinated Wizard

@MetaAndrewT. unbox

Cake time!

(oh, and coffee, but it's just an excuse for the cake ;))

Tinkeringbell

@ShadowTheVaccinatedWizard Nice...

Just need to survive this meeting then I can go get breakfast :D

Shadow The Vaccinated Wizard

@Tinkeringbell I always try to eat breakfast at home before leaving. ;)

Tinkeringbell

06:46

@ShadowTheVaccinatedWizard I'm still at home :P

Shadow The Vaccinated Wizard

@Tinkeringbell ohh lol forgot about working from home. Survival skill: we forget bad things very fast....

But weren't you working from office recently? @Tink

Tinkeringbell

@ShadowTheVaccinatedWizard Yeah, that's why I don't remember what the office looks like ;)

@ShadowTheVaccinatedWizard Nope, still at home and hoping to stay that way.

Shadow The Vaccinated Wizard

heh, I don't like working from home.

Even without kids, the amount of distractions is just too high.

Tinkeringbell

There has been discussion about going back now that restrictions are mostly lifted... But I'm still not fond of the idea. Perhaps though we can have that next wave in autumn before ever having been back one day to the office!

rene

When I'm at work I can chat without being distracted ...

Tinkeringbell

06:57

@ShadowTheVaccinatedWizard There's much less distraction at home than at the office for me, and it saves me so much time :)

Shadow The Vaccinated Wizard

@Tinkeringbell yeah most likely there'll be some new variant

@Tinkeringbell <envy>Good for you!</envy>

:D

Tinkeringbell

@ShadowTheVaccinatedWizard No need for envy :P Just means that my life is very, very boring ;)

Well, meeting sort-of survived, time to get breakfast.

Shadow The Vaccinated Wizard

@Tinkeringbell bon appetite!

That's your breakfast?

@Wolf you already had breakfast?

Tinkeringbell

@ShadowTheVaccinatedWizard Wow no... that's a dinner.

I had one of these:

Luuklag

haha beschuit met kaas

@ShadowTheVaccinatedWizard Damn I miss breakfasts like those

Would love to be back in the USA to have some EyeHop

Shadow The Vaccinated Wizard

07:15

@Tinkeringbell that will work too. Nice!

Luuklag

@ShadowTheVaccinatedWizard but vlq

Shadow The Vaccinated Wizard

@Luuklag maybe, but no such feedback option. I think?

Luuklag

nope

Shadow The Vaccinated Wizard

There's "naa" though.

Luuklag

Only F, K and N

Shadow The Vaccinated Wizard

07:26

The "N" put poop icon, right?

2

Luuklag

Yeah, N = naa

Tinkeringbell

@Luuklag Nice and Dutch, like a breakfast should be :P

Luuklag

meh, I don't like beschuit

PM 2Ring

I guess there's no point flagging an unkind comment on a post that's self-deleted. chat.meta.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/8924536#8924536

I was mostly mysified, not actually offended. Still, I wasn't expecting that the OP would respond to my link to a related question by saying I should be executed...

Luuklag

07:45

flag anyways

At least if you can see the comment

PM 2Ring

Ok. (I have full delete privs on Astronomy). The OP has 1 point accounts on 3 sites, and has been a member for 15 months. I suppose there's no point deleting their accounts since they can just create new ones

Luuklag

Let the mods's / CM's decide that ;)

Put a R/A flag on the comment, and hopefully mods will handle appropriately

If not, use the contact form

PM 2Ring

I put a R/A flag. I won't bother with the contact form. That OP's already wasted too much of my time. :)

Luuklag

08:00

@SmokeDetector k

@JNat cross site spammer: stackexchange.com/users/22027765/startcannonij?tab=accounts

Luuklag

08:13

@RyanM For me the user flairs load fine, are they back for you as well?

I think a nice feature request would be to provide an alt attribute to those images

Journeyman Geek

@RyanM mostly arbitrarily 🤣

Shadow The Vaccinated Wizard

@PM2Ring executed?! Are you an application? ;)

Or stored procedure... ?

PM 2Ring

@ShadowTheVaccinatedWizard I'm a Python script, so I'm interpreted, not executed. ;)

Shadow The Vaccinated Wizard

@PM2Ring ohhh. So yeah, that's terrible offense. :P

PM 2Ring

But I guess I should clear my execute bit, just to be on the safe side.

Luuklag

08:28

Just strip out the error handler ;)

PM 2Ring

I'd have to hack the interpreter to do that. And that sounds like too much work. ;)

Late last year I discovered sagecell.sagemath.org which lets you run Sage scripts from a browser on their server. Sage is built on top of Python, and plain Python code (mostly) runs ok on Sage. That server also lets you run Python, and a bunch of other languages, but it has a few annoying quirks.

Ryan M

@Luuklag Nope, still broken when I'm logged in, at least...

Works great in private mode

I wonder if this bug is back.

That would explain why I can see it, but no one else can.

PM 2Ring

But it's been fun because I can write & run Sage / Python on my phone. The server lets you save stuff by compressing & encoding it into a URL. So I can post small scripts in comments, and even chat messages, without having to post them to a site like pastebin or github.

Luuklag

@RyanM Would be my best bet right now as well

PM 2Ring

Eg, Lambert W branches

Luuklag

08:42

ps. I wrote a FR for providing image alt text for those flairs

Ryan M

Already upvoted, +1 for accessibility.

Luuklag

1

Q: Provide image alt text for the flair images on the /election page

Inspired by this question. Currently the user flair on the /election [SO] page has no Alt-atribute. This makes it hard to see which users won an election when images can't be viewed for whatever reason, server outages or people that are visually impaired. Can we please provide an alt text to tho...

Ryan M

and we've got a second repro! It's not just me.

For me, the images are also broken. — Emil Jeřábek 23 secs ago

Luuklag

One in every 9 sounds about right then ;)

Shadow The Vaccinated Wizard

09:33

@RyanM yeah there's some bad server somewhere...

Ryan M

oh hey, it's broken in my edit profile flair page, too...

Luuklag

@RyanM broken?

@SmokeDetector k

Shadow The Vaccinated Wizard

@Luuklag there should be more flairs, the one showing is the network flair.

The per-site flair is broken for some.

That's how it should look like ^

Ryan M

^ what Shadow said.

It's showing the alt text instead of the image for all but the network flair in mine.

Luuklag

09:56

@JNat cross site spammer: stackexchange.com/users/22022081/md-rashidul-islam?tab=accounts

@JNat cross site spammer: stackexchange.com/users/21954000/eyeglasses-online?tab=accounts cc @JourneymanGeek 2/3 are yours ;)

Journeyman Geek

@Luuklag 🎵I see cleaaaarllly noooow the spaaam iss goooneeee

5

rene

Lee Towers!

Shadow The Vaccinated Wizard

whoa backlog is back.... :D

mspaint won't let me save to my PC....

:P

Luuklag

haha poor mspaint

Hmmm I think I'll save my third post for tomorrow, as not to rep-cap too soon today :)

rene

I think I switched to Paint.Net many moons ago and never looked back

Luuklag

10:07

I don't think latest windows even have paint anymore

oh wait it does

rene

what I find more worrying for those election pages is that they all had their content edited but didn't fix this glaring issue ... missed opportunity ....

Luuklag

@rene hmmm true. Have someone status-review tag it

rene

Yes! Let me start with a rant on MSO first, to get everyone in the right mindset

Luuklag

Sounds like a plan!

Meta Andrew T.

MS GIMP.Net

Shadow The Vaccinated Wizard

10:16

@rene well for me mspaint is like Notepad: using it for simple things, but when I need something more complex, will use paint.NET

It's just much slower, plus usually my Windows menu won't open so have to open it manually.

For mspaint just need to press WIN+R and type mspaint. ;)

@Luuklag they removed mine sweeper though :(

And the generic Image Viewer.

By default images will open in some crappy and super heavy program, never even bothered to see how it's called.

Closed it right away and Googled how to bring back the simple image viewer.

rene

10:33

@ShadowTheVaccinatedWizard yeah, an annoying UWP app. Super slow for some reason.

Shadow The Vaccinated Wizard

@rene slow because Windows...

:D

rene

Meh, something with UWP. Either side-by-side loading or click-once stuff.

Shadow The Vaccinated Wizard

11:00

Forget about Windows.... I'm proud to take part in making a question with "bathroom" in its title a HNQ.

:D

Not my question this time, but I did give answer.

Luuklag

11:19

@ShadowTheVaccinatedWizard link?

rene

@ShadowTheVaccinatedWizard you mean that spam post we just nuked from the MSE active tab?

Ryan M

13

Q: Changing pants in office bathroom

I commute to my office in my bike and after cycling 40kms, my clothes will be soaked. I change vest and shirt but pants and underwear will be soaked which is uncomfortable. I would like to change by pants and underwear too. But the problem is the only place where I could change is in the office b...

bathroom

rene

@ShadowTheVaccinatedWizard no a tremendous score but nice: lackadaisical-appeal.glitch.me/status

Tinkeringbell

> But the problem is the only place where I could change is in the office bathroom which is wet and dirty.

.... EEEEWL.

Luuklag

11:35

Wouldn't the proper solution be to hire a cleaner?

Tinkeringbell

Or potty train the rest of the office workers, I guess.

rene

@ShadowTheVaccinatedWizard you're also on the rather useless chart. I've used a red-circle: i.sstatic.net/pY2z5.png

Journeyman Geek

40 km is quite a distance

Luuklag

@JourneymanGeek With a bit of a decent bike pretty doable

rene

@Tinkeringbell the office manager in our office gives that training. It was needed :/

Luuklag

11:39

@rene wait, what?

Tinkeringbell

@rene o.O

Luuklag

In Uni they hung these signs:

Journeyman Geek

lol

uhm

Tinkeringbell

Foreign students might sometimes do the squatting thing, I've heard.

Journeyman Geek

Yeah, Uh... people from a certain country sterotypically do ...

Or folks used to squatties

rene

11:42

You can squat for 15 euro's per month. You'll be Basic Fit ...

Tinkeringbell

To be fair, I think the university I went to had similar signs, and the toilets were still a mess.

Luuklag

@rene badum tsss

rene

@Luuklag basically tell the people what the flush button is for. And if the waste bin is full that you don't continue throwing the used paper towels in the direction of the waste bin ...

Shadow The Vaccinated Wizard

@Luuklag what @Ryan said ;)

@Tinkeringbell true, but also squatting is better for the health so pretty sure people do it anyway.

Can be done nicely and without mess.

Tinkeringbell

@ShadowTheVaccinatedWizard Is it? Then I wonder why it's not being government mandated yet XD

Shadow The Vaccinated Wizard

11:55

@Tinkeringbell can't change decades old habits, but believe it will catch one day

@rene thanks? :D

@rene lol missed that one

Luuklag

12:22

@JNat cross site spammer: stackexchange.com/users/21726982/joy-alex?tab=accounts

Spevacus

12:32

@Tinkeringbell Is there something more nefarious about that post than is immediately visible? They seemed to be asking about the default SE avatars (Identicons).

Tinkeringbell

@Spevacus Put each sentence in the search bar, and find out yourself... it's plagiarised.

I think the 'thanks' was original? :P

meta.stackexchange.com/q/226463 and meta.stackexchange.com/q/20464

Spevacus

Ew, lame. Sorry to call that into question, it just struck me as odd at first glance.

Tinkeringbell

No worries! I don't mind explaining :)

I just noticed because I found the second question I just linked when I started searching... because I never can remember how those avatars are generated in the first place ;)

Spevacus

I was also searching about, but I guess I should've used their phrasing - Er, well, the original phrasing, as it happens. :D

Tinkeringbell

Yeah... one of those cases where I'm happy with how the search bar works XD

Luuklag

12:47

whoop whoop, repcapped for the day

good call saving my other post for another day ;)

Tinkeringbell

13:00

You're a really bad example to everyone that comes here complaining about reputation, by making it sound like it matters :P

Luuklag

I love to be a bad example

Should I start posting spam?

Tinkeringbell

I wouldn't recommend it, for your sake :P

Spammers get their accounts destroyed ;)

Spevacus

Nukey, nukey.

Ryan M

@Tinkeringbell Can't destroy an account with more than 500 rep, though ;-)

Of course, that's likely a solvable problem if you can just red-flag-nuke every post on the account...

Tinkeringbell

@RyanM ... But no one had to know that, untill you shared it :P

Spevacus

13:13

I'm sure if you pressed the "Delete" button hard enough we'd not have to worry about Luuklag for a little while :D

Ryan M

in which I am responsible for a sudden wave of high-rep users posting spam and forced to retreat into hiding out of shame

Tinkeringbell

Imagine the chaos though :P

user728672

13:24

I hate clickbait

Feeds

13:44

Announcing the launch of Collectives™ on Stack Overflow

Teresa Dietrich on June 23, 2021

We’re thrilled to be launching this new product with Google Cloud and Go.

user728672

Resistance is futile!

Rob

@rene Squatting is a long established practice in some places, people will go to great lengths:

Kevin B

14:22

🚽

just looks like another form of advertisement that adblocks won't hit by default

curious

→ 34 messages moved to Chimney

Tinkeringbell

14:38

@KevinB Huh, you mean the Collectives? To me it looks more like Teams, but more freely accessible?

Shadow The Vaccinated Wizard

@Tinkeringbell looking on all the privileges

Well, it does matter. ;)

@GWarner where you saw it on SE?

@Tinkeringbell different kind of Teams, yeah. Luckily SO got enough money now to experiment with high-risk projects...

Won't work? No worry, we'll shut it down and move on to the next experiment. One of them must catch.

Kevin B

it's just a sponsored tag with more features

Shadow The Vaccinated Wizard

;)

Anyway, so many bugs...

Tinkeringbell

Hahaha it seems so, yeah.

Lots of questions too

Shadow The Vaccinated Wizard

14:57

0

Q: Member count is way off

Viewing Google Cloud Collective, it says "View all 96 Members": However, after clicking it, I see table with only 23 users: Can this please become consistent, either way?

bug collectives

First bug! :D

Mgetz

what's the appropriate way to deal with someone tag spamming?

I really don't want to get into a rollback war with them

Shadow The Vaccinated Wizard

@Mgetz flags

If they're really on a roll and cause damage, ping mod in chat

(who can suspend them for the time being until it's sorted out.)

If no mod is around (e.g. small site) ping a CM here.

Again, it's only for extreme cases, e.g. 50 tag edits in a row.

Mgetz

I think I finally got them to realize that AVX2 covers SSE

Shadow The Vaccinated Wizard

If it's 2-3 bad edits in a row then they take a break no need for what I said above, only flags.

Mgetz

and they don't need to spam both tags

Shadow The Vaccinated Wizard

15:01

Anyway, I'm wearing mask again, wonder when it will show in chat... :D

Mgetz

even once I get vaccinated fully I'll be wearing a mask

Tinkeringbell

@ShadowWizardWearingMaskV2 Next time you want a refresh, just ask :P

Shadow Wizard Wearing Mask V2

@Tinkeringbell lol, thanks!

Anyway second bug reported, I'm done for now. :D

Spevacus

@ShadowWizardWearingMaskV2 Have there been any improvements in your software since moving to the V2 version of Masked Shadow Software Solutions™?

Shadow Wizard Wearing Mask V2

@Mgetz yeah turns out vaccine isn't working against variants.

Mgetz

15:12

well it is... just less effectively

Shadow Wizard Wearing Mask V2

oh no now people will get confused between Andrew and me.... :/

@Spevacus yup. Learned how to create less fog on my glasses, for one. ;)

(different breathing)

Spevacus

lol. I was procrastinating getting more contact lenses, so I was wearing glasses for awhile. I've found that if you pull the mask up a bit higher on your nose, up to about where the bridge is, and push your glasses down upon it, you can pinch the mask off and it should help prevent air from flowing upwards and fogging them up.

Shadow Wizard Wearing Mask V2

nah, didn't work for me. I do wear contact lenses, but taking one day off every week.

Anyway, it's final... the UX of the Collectives is terrible. As neutral observer, I'm totally confused, and it needs really lots of work to make it better.

(e.g. turns out the different members count is by design, something to do with the fact that the table updates only once a day and the number in the Collective page is live.)

Rob

Borg

The Borg are an alien group that appear as recurring antagonists in the Star Trek fictional universe. The Borg are cybernetic organisms linked in a hive mind called "the Collective". The Borg co-opt the technology and knowledge of other alien species to the Collective through the process of "assimilation": forcibly transforming individual beings into "drones" by injecting nanoprobes into their bodies and surgically augmenting them with cybernetic components. The Borg's ultimate goal is "achieving perfection".Aside from being recurring antagonists in the Next Generation television series, they are...

Shadow Wizard Wearing Mask V2

?

Rob

15:22

!

Ollie

#

Wolf

!!/amiprivileged

SmokeDetector

@Wolf ╳ You are not a privileged user. Please see the privileges wiki page for information on what privileges are and what is expected of privileged users.

Wolf

ok

sdc coffe shadow

SmokeDetector

@Wolf No such command 'coffe'.

Ollie

15:34

sdc coffee Shadow

SmokeDetector

@Ollie brews a cup of jQuery for @Shadow

Ollie

I like the return to the "wearing mask" name, @ShadowWizardWearingMaskV2

Wolf

sdc coffee Shadow

SmokeDetector

@Wolf brews a cup of Espresso for @Shadow

Wolf

LOL

sdc privileged

SmokeDetector

15:36

@Wolf No such command 'privileged'.

Wolf

!!/amiprivileged

SmokeDetector

@Wolf ╳ You are not a privileged user. Please see the privileges wiki page for information on what privileges are and what is expected of privileged users.

Wolf

ok

sdc coffee me

SmokeDetector

@Wolf brews a cup of Mocha for @me

Wolf

lol

sdc alive

SmokeDetector

15:39

@Wolf Of course

Wolf

ok

!!/status

SmokeDetector

@Wolf Running since 12:45:58 UTC (2 hours, 53 minutes, 43 seconds)

Wolf

ok

!!/ms-status

SmokeDetector

@Wolf metasmoke is up. Current failure count: 0 (teward/Osiris)

Wolf

ok

!!/ping-failure-counter

SmokeDetector

15:40

@Wolf Current ping failure counter value: -174

Wolf

ok

!!/stat

SmokeDetector

@Wolf Posts scanned: 424; Scan time: 409.3741183280945; Posts scanned per second: 1.0357274214882914

Wolf

~~how~~

!!

!!/rev

SmokeDetector

@Wolf teward/Osiris 92d5ecdf9 (SmokeDetector: Auto watch of takipcenneti\.net by tripleee)

Wolf

!!/help

SmokeDetector

15:42

@Wolf I'm SmokeDetector, a bot that detects spam and offensive posts on the network and posts alerts to chat. A command list is available here.

Wolf

ok

rene

@Wolf can you take your testing elsewhere, please?

Wolf

ok

Rob

16:00

@Ollie He looks like Darth Vader now:

@Sha ha

user728672

@Rob He needs some rainbow colored Oakleys and a biker helmet still

Rob

Gascan, Fuel Cell, or Plazma Oakleys?

Wolf

fuel

Rob

and youtu.be/fqZXtP5vnHA

Wolf

@Rob how come your privileged

sdc coffee Rob

SmokeDetector

16:15

@Wolf brews a cup of Latte for @Rob

rene

→ 4 messages moved to Trashcan

Wolf

ok

Rob

Because I don't randomly spam Smokey or goof around with the Bot, and I've demonstrated trust with the Admins.

Wolf

ok

Catija

:/

rene

16:20

@Wolf I asked you before to stop the experiments.

→ 2 messages moved to Trashcan

user728672

I could do a quick photoshop and give him these..

user728672

not the okaleys. goggle shaped

Wolf

this is the 4th time being kicked

:(

user728672

then quit already.

Mithical

The point of a kick is to give you an indication that your behavior needs to change. If you find yourself being repeatedly kicked, it means you haven't made those necessary behavior changes.

rene

16:26

@Wolf well, with me it is very easy: If I ask you to stop doing something and you said "ok" then I don't expect that same action to popup within the hour. So going forward maybe make clear that you understood what we wanted to stop you doing.

Wolf

bye

rene

bye

Wolf

ok

Tinkeringbell

@Rob Anyone else thinks @Sha looks like an underage user in that picture? I find he looks much younger with a mask, and reminds me of a 12-year-old classmate XD

Mithical

If things work out, I'll let you know tomorrow.

rene

16:42

@Tinkeringbell is this your mask fashion advice channel?

Rob

@Tinkeringbell He looks the same as his "too much coffee" picture; where I'd guess he's 32-36 (/2)

Tinkeringbell

@Mithical Have fun, and tell him I said hi! :P

@rene I'm the last person you want fashion advice from. My advice is always: Wear whatever you find that you can fit in :P

rene

@ShadowWizardWearingMaskV2 fits in his mask so that is approved then

Tinkeringbell

I guess so :P

Mithical

@Tinkeringbell I'm sure he'll see it in here first ;)

Tinkeringbell

16:52

@Mithical That's half the fun ;)

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