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00:11

I need to correct myself: after navigating back, the click-interaction is actually alive (on the non-highlighted arrow), but useless, as it doesn't try to revoke the upvote, instead, it tries to upvote again; to which you get the message that you can't do that twice.
---> You need a page-reload to show the arrow in the correct, highlighted state; but it is then that you don't get any click-interactions any more.

forest distrusts StackExchange

00:51

lol

Rob

03:48

@JohnDvorak @rene HiRISE Proof: uahirise.org/hipod/ESP_069665_2055

Rob

04:13

Details: uahirise.org/ESP_069665_2055

Feeds

04:43

stackoverflow.blog/2021/06/15/…

rene

04:57

@Rob nice! back shield and parachute are close to each other. Can we assume they had a trajectory coming from the south? Or did they fly that distance on powered flight?

Rob

I don't know the details, but the general idea is once the seperation is made smoothly and cleanly each gains as much distance as is reasonable to do to prevent collision. --- Whether each was powered, they simply dropped their baggage, or it was partly one powered and the other mostly dropped; I dunno - I I don't think China gives details.

I think those two sections would be more closely horizontally aligned if it was taking a standard polar orbit, but polar orbits take more fuel; so it seems unlikely too.

@rene, here is how NASA does it; which in no way answers your question: nasa.gov/feature/jpl/…

rene

05:18

I've read somewhere that there are concerns that the parachute might drop on the lander. I would think to be 100% sure that doesn't happen you have to power / steer clear of the free falling chute. Making more distance in the given parabolic trajectory is the most certain way to achieve that, I would think.

John Dvorak

05:57

@Rob no objection on the front of there being a Chinese lander on Mars, but (puts tinfoil hat on) how do we know it's intact and that the photo in question comes from it?

Rob

@JohnDvorak It doesn't come from it.

John Dvorak

hm?

Rob

Who said it did?

..... only you?

rene

@JohnDvorak HiRise is the Nasa orbiter. You can put your tinfoil hat down ....

John Dvorak

@rene I'm referring to chat.meta.stackexchange.com/transcript/89?m=8879908#8879908

rene

06:01

well, it is there.

Rob

... and that's not from "it" either, who said it was?

Rob

06:16

@JohnDvorak Perhaps it would be more helpful to refer to this: chat.meta.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/8879737#8879737 It is the claim of the Chinese that the upper B&W photo is from their equipment on Mars, the Americans make a similar claim about the lower color photo. --- The conversation currently in context

(to which you hooked your reply) is claimed to be from American equipment on Mars; as for "proof" from either side, you can send a probe for less than U$200M and have a look.

John Dvorak

ah, thanks for clarification

Rob

We are lucky? to have additional spy satellites orbiting other planets,to resolve these questions. If the Russians or India release images we'll have an additional proof of what is purported to be true.

forest distrusts StackExchange

I don't think NASA orbiters can count as spy satellites.

Rob

What would they require?

John Dvorak

IIRC, a mechanical arm on ISS had a near collision recently. Any countries that want to have their own robots on Mars should hurry before LEO turns into a debris field.

forest distrusts StackExchange

06:22

It's more about intent than technological capabilities.

Since it's not trying to observe anything which is trying to stay hidden.

John Dvorak

It's not a spy sat if it's not classified :D

Rob

It is observing things not commented on, hiding would involve tunneling or cloaking.

John Dvorak

nonono, the keyword here is "trying"

forest distrusts StackExchange

Unless there are Martians that we're trying to keep track of.

John Dvorak

there are a couple of robots, yes :P

Rob

06:31

@JohnDvorak So this guy doesn't hide stuff very well, any value in this image?:

John Dvorak

is that a satellite image of a satellite town?

Rob

[... after 20 minutes of desperate Googling, admits de 👣]

Ryongsong Residence

Ryongsong Residence (Korean: 룡성 관저), also called Residence No. 55 (55호 관저) and known by locals as Central Luxury Mansion (주요 고급 저택) is a presidential palace in North Korea and the main residence of Workers' Party of Korea's general secretary Kim Jong-un. == Location == The residence is located in Ryongsong District in northern Pyongyang, around 12 km (7.5 mi) northeast of Kim Il-sung Square. The size of the whole leadership complex is around 12 km2 (4.6 sq mi). According to Kim Jong-il's former bodyguard Lee Young-Guk, there are at least eight North Korean leaders' residences outside Pyongyang...

forest distrusts StackExchange

06:49

@Rob What is it with the increase in use of unicode icons lately?

Some of us can't see it.

Rob

27 mins ago, by forest distrusts StackExchange

Since it's not trying to observe anything which is trying to stay hidden.

Are you a spy satellite?

rene

LOL

forest distrusts StackExchange

Not a very good one, since I'm blind to most unicode. :P

hyper-neutrino

ᴇᴠᴇʀʏᴏɴᴇ ᴡʀɪᴛᴇ ɪɴ ᴜɴɪᴄᴏᴅᴇ sᴏ ғᴏʀᴇsᴛ ᴄᴀɴ'ᴛ ʀᴇᴀᴅ :ᴘ

John Dvorak

@hyper-neutrino 😡

Shadow The Vaccinated Wizard

07:01

Most likely today Israel would enter another battle session against Hamas. Right winged people going to march through East Jerusalem with Israel flags just to poke fingers in their eyes and prove they got bigger, Hamas said they're going to re-activate their Fire Balloons Squad. All in all, one big messy and deadly children's playground. :(

Obvious side effect would be the end of our new government.... surely a world record. One day only. lol

forest distrusts StackExchange

@hyper-neutrino I can read that! :D

@ShadowTheVaccinatedWizard Eh, maybe if you like, stopped killing Palestinian children, Hamas would be a little happier? Might reduce bloodshed on both sides.

Shadow The Vaccinated Wizard

and this?
☺☻♥

@forestdistrustsStackExchange nah

forest distrusts StackExchange

@ShadowTheVaccinatedWizard I can read those as well.

Shadow The Vaccinated Wizard

It's a never ending cycle of death.

All are to blame.

forest distrusts StackExchange

Yeah it is :(

Well, I place blame more squarely on one side than the other, but that doesn't mean I think either side are the good guys.

Shadow The Vaccinated Wizard

07:04

Glad we agree on something.

Funny enough, I'm not left winged.

I'm not right winged.

forest distrusts StackExchange

I'm (mostly left-wing) libertarian myself, but I'm American (and not proud).

Shadow The Vaccinated Wizard

But anyone see the bad side of what I believe in.

@forestdistrustsStackExchange you use logic, which says the side with more fire power plays unfair. This makes total sense, and I can't argue with that.

But it's just not that simple, sadly.

rene

@ShadowTheVaccinatedWizard bah :(

forest distrusts StackExchange

It's certainly not simple, but it's not complex enough that "everyone's side has a point".

Shadow The Vaccinated Wizard

@rene agreed! No icecream. ;)

forest distrusts StackExchange

07:07

In general, I tend to be against apartheid, no matter its form or the firepower involved. Although superior firepower just makes it all the more horrible.

Shadow The Vaccinated Wizard

@forestdistrustsStackExchange perhaps

rene

So with Netanyahu gone everything finally gets "better" ...

forest distrusts StackExchange

Nah, things won't get better just because he's gone. He's a product of his culture.

Racism, apartheid, illegal settlements, islamophobia, zionism... It's not only him who supported that.

And he was not the origin of those despicable ideologies, even if he did promote them.

rene

Okay, sure

Shadow The Vaccinated Wizard

@rene nope. Let me put what I said in Den yesterday...

in Shadow's Den, 17 hours ago, by Shadow The Vaccinated Wizard

@TheLittleNaruto it's like choosing between living without a leg, or without a hand. Both are awful, but usually people would prefer hand over a leg.

forest distrusts StackExchange

07:10

Now don't get me wrong. I'm glad he's out.

But it's not like he was replaced by someone all that much better.

Rob

The Tsar or MOAB end conflicts quickly.

Shadow The Vaccinated Wizard

@forestdistrustsStackExchange he only used them for his own personal benefit, in his attempts to stick to the throne.

forest distrusts StackExchange

Solution: Kill all humans. Let plants rule the world (*cough*).

Shadow The Vaccinated Wizard

Still using, of course, and most likely he'll succeed very soon. (To take down the new government, sending Israel to new elections.)

forest distrusts StackExchange

Wow.

Rob

07:13

^^ So should it be Lemon Haze,or Pineapple Express?

Shadow The Vaccinated Wizard

It's not hard, all it takes is to convince any one person out of 60.

forest distrusts StackExchange

Well, the upside is that this conflict is causing people all over the world to reevaluate their stance on Israel. Even if it did had to come at the expense of hundreds of Palestinian children. :(

@ShadowTheVaccinatedWizard That sounds... really disorganized and chaotic.

Shadow The Vaccinated Wizard

@forestdistrustsStackExchange it is.

forest distrusts StackExchange

A group of bullies can't decide on who is in charge. Did anyone expect the outcome to be different? :P

Shadow The Vaccinated Wizard

@forestdistrustsStackExchange don't think it really has a big effect. Those against Israel just get some more ammo to use; Those who support Israel do see Israel's side and stick to their beliefs, maybe losing some Hit Points but not enough to change their mind.

forest distrusts StackExchange

07:16

Politicians... The lot of them...

@ShadowTheVaccinatedWizard You'd be surprised. In the American left, people are starting to see Israel for what it is, which previously was unthinkable. Including people who were previously pro-Israel. Obviously it won't change everyone's mind, but at least it's making progress.

Shadow The Vaccinated Wizard

@forestdistrustsStackExchange we'll have to see...

forest distrusts StackExchange

The BDS movement is exploding here in academia and universities with quite a lot more support than would ever have previously been possible.

Shadow The Vaccinated Wizard

@forestdistrustsStackExchange perhaps. But it's like Bitcoin: very volatile and changes daily. (Amount of supporters)

forest distrusts StackExchange

Sure, and this wave will not be able to overturn apartheid.

It will wax and wane over time, grow and shrink. But the trend is upwards.

Ugh, trying to navigate through patents to find information is so painful. :/

Trying to learn about buffer underrun protection for DVD burners... stason.org/TULARC/pc/cd-recordable/… nearly every link here is 404ed, and Web Archive is so slow for me right now.

Luuklag

07:34

Try to do some work when the local fiber optics is dead

Now I'm running a hotspot on my personal phone, as the company one is with the same provider as the fiber optics is, and is also dead

Shadow The Vaccinated Wizard

@forestdistrustsStackExchange of course, until Israel will be no more. Hopefully for me personally not in the near future. :)

@Luuklag ouch

forest distrusts StackExchange

@ShadowTheVaccinatedWizard Or at the very least until it gives back much of the land that it stole.

Luuklag

@ShadowTheVaccinatedWizard I could go to the office, but there the fibreoptics are dead too, same town same network ;)

forest distrusts StackExchange

Even if it would be a bit difficult to get rid of it as a state completely (which would be far too disruptive).

Luuklag

It's expeted to be resolved by 12:30, so 3 hours from now.

Mithical

07:37

@forestdistrustsStackExchange *sighs*

That will be my contribution to the conversation.

Luuklag

Yeah perhaps we shouldn't want to solve the Isreal vs. Palestinian conflict here in a chatroom...

forest distrusts StackExchange

lol hi @Mithical

Shadow The Vaccinated Wizard

@Luuklag :D

forest distrusts StackExchange

@Luuklag What, you're saying we don't have a chance to fix things as random internet people? :o

Luuklag

Lets stick to a topic a little less controversial ;) Coffee anyone?

Mithical

07:39

@Luuklag Being a RO, I've got a conflict of interest...

Luuklag

@forestdistrustsStackExchange therese always a chance, albeit this one being really minimal

forest distrusts StackExchange

Too tired. If I have coffee now, I'll be awake all night!

@Luuklag Someone just needs to elect me as supreme leader of the universe. :P

Shadow The Vaccinated Wizard

@Mithical no worry, neutral parrot or dog might arrive any minute and send it all to trash. :)

forest distrusts StackExchange

I don't mind if it's trashed.

I assume Shadow doesn't either.

Shadow The Vaccinated Wizard

Meh, nothing I can do anyway.

Trash is nice, it's warm there.

(@Rob knows why.)

forest distrusts StackExchange

07:41

I'm too hot though. My computer room is poorly ventilated. :(

Shadow The Vaccinated Wizard

Ice cubes.

forest distrusts StackExchange

On my computers? :o

Rob

... or go Shadow (commando).

forest distrusts StackExchange

wot

Shadow The Vaccinated Wizard

@forestdistrustsStackExchange that will work too, as the source of the heat would be shut down. Or burn in flames? Not sure.

I was thinking ice cubes on yourself.

Personal Cooling System. :D

hyper-neutrino

07:44

consume the ice cubes to cool you down from the inside. also when they melt you now are a water-cooled human

forest distrusts StackExchange

I'm a forest not a human thankyouverymuch.

hyper-neutrino

or put them on your computer and now you have budget water-cooled computer

Shadow The Vaccinated Wizard

@hyper-neutrino nah, this is recipe for brain freeze.

hyper-neutrino

well if your brain is freezing it won't be too hot anymore. :D

Shadow The Vaccinated Wizard

:P

Rob

07:46

Ice-T

Tracy Lauren Marrow (born February 16, 1958), better known by his stage name Ice-T, is an American rapper, actor, songwriter, and producer. He began his career as an underground rapper in the 1980s and was signed to Sire Records in 1987, when he released his debut album Rhyme Pays—the second hip-hop album to carry an explicit content sticker (following Slick Rick's La Di Da Di). The following year, he founded the record label Rhyme $yndicate Records (named after his collective of fellow hip-hop artists called the "Rhyme $yndicate") and released another album, Power, which would go platinum. He...

Be cooler than him.

Shadow The Vaccinated Wizard

Body: brain! I'm on fire, do something!
Brain: b... br... brr..... I'm freezing.... call back l... la... later...

forest distrusts StackExchange

Rob

Thanks, saves me Googling for that image!

Shadow The Vaccinated Wizard

@Rob one thin layer won't make a difference.

Ice Cube

O'Shea Jackson (born June 15, 1969), known professionally as Ice Cube, is an American rapper, actor, and filmmaker. His lyrics on N.W.A's 1988 album Straight Outta Compton contributed to gangsta rap's widespread popularity, and his political rap solo albums of 1990 (AmeriKKKa's Most Wanted) and 1991 (Death Certificate) were critically and commercially successful. He has also had an active film career since the early 1990s. He was inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame as a member of N.W.A in 2016.A native of Los Angeles, Jackson formed his first rap group called C.I.A. in 1986. In 1987, with...

Luuklag

Vanilla Ice

Robert Matthew Van Winkle (born October 31, 1967), known professionally as Vanilla Ice, is an American rapper, actor, and television host. Born in South Dallas, and raised in Texas and South Florida, Ice released his debut album, Hooked, in 1989 on Ichiban Records, before signing a contract with SBK Records, a record label of the EMI Group, which released a reformatted version of the album in 1990 under the title To the Extreme which became the fastest-selling hip hop album of all time and contained Ice's best-known hits: "Ice Ice Baby" and a cover of "Play That Funky Music". "Ice Ice Baby" was...

Rob

07:50

@ShadowTheVaccinatedWizard You can then operate like a one bladed fan:

forest distrusts StackExchange

If you properly counterbalance the blade, it'll work just fun.

Rob

That wasn't the joke, but no better image available.

Shadow The Vaccinated Wizard

@Rob that would just generate more heat.

Rob

Posting such an image certainly would.

Shadow The Vaccinated Wizard

And looks like we're saved from Trash, it's all well hidden in the past messages. :D

forest distrusts StackExchange

08:00

Rappers with the name ice in them to the rescue!

hyper-neutrino

nice

Shadow The Vaccinated Wizard

Just-Ice

Joseph Williams Jr. (born November 15, 1965), better known by the stage name Just-Ice, is an American rapper from New York City. A former bouncer at punk clubs, Williams was the first of the New York rappers to embrace gangsta rap, and when he burst out of the Castle Hill neighborhood in the New York City borough of the Bronx as Just-Ice, he gained instant notoriety. Muscle-bound, tattooed, aggressive—he resembled Mike Tyson in more than just looks—and with a mouthful of gold teeth, he certainly stood out. His debut album Back to the Old School came out on the independent New York label Sleeping...

forest distrusts StackExchange

wow

Shadow The Vaccinated Wizard

Interesting, all three born in the 60's.

Only the T was two years too early.

oh wait

How....

oh never mind thought there was rapper named only "Ice" but it's Ice-T.

Luuklag

Here's another one

Ice MC (rapper)

Ice MC (born Ian Campbell, 22 March 1965) is a British rapper who started his professional music career in Italy when he got signed to Robyx and made his debut with the single "Easy". He's best known for the hit singles "Take Away the Colour", "Think About the Way" "and "It's a Rainy Day". The Ice MC hits are most notable for being the first songs in the Eurodance genre to blend raggamuffin style rap with female singing choruses. Italian producer and singer Roberto Zanetti (a.k.a. Robyx) and his music team produced the Ice MC hits while simultaneously producing hits for other major '90s artists...

Rob

08:05

Forest View Ice Bucket Challenge

►

Luuklag

Ice Prince

Panshak Henry Zamani (born 30 October 1984), better known as Ice Prince, is a Nigerian hip hop recording artist and actor. He rose to fame after releasing "Oleku", one of Nigeria's most remixed songs of all time. He won the 2009 Hennessy Artistry Club Tour. His debut studio album Everybody Loves Ice Prince was released in 2011. It was supported by three singles: "Oleku", "Superstar" and "Juju". In 2013, Ice Prince released Fire of Zamani as his second studio album. The album contained the singles "Aboki", "More", "Gimme Dat" and "I Swear". On 1 July 2015, Ice Prince was announced as the vic...

@Rob that should cool it down

Journeyman Geek

08:35

Apparently the migration tool for my phone will move stack exchange's android app over \o/

Its still a crashy, cranky thing, but notifications!

Luuklag

woohoo, party time for Journey

Shadow The Vaccinated Wizard

08:51

Journeyman Geek

Its still crashing if actually open the left bar... :D

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