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5:59 AM
@JourneymanGeek Can you please unfreeze the syntax highlighting room?
 
 
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7:12 AM
@SonictheCuriouserHedgehog All yours...
 
7:24 AM
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7:52 AM
o/
 
8:03 AM
morning :)
 
Hi Tink
I saw something on facebook today that totally reminded me of you xD
 
Uhoh...
 
Hold on, maybe it is free chocolat ...
 
nope, starts with the same letter though
 
Hahaha
Not the worst I've seen XD
 
8:34 AM
NGL, I do like the idea... and the piglets and mama pig are quite cute ... if we overlook the glaring issue of a horizontal butt... and I can't do that.
 
@JohnDvorak I have worse. Don't click the link if you're in a place where other people can see your screen, and also don't if you do not like 'uncanny valley' stuff.
 
Thanks for the warning.
OK... how in the everloving hell is this called "educational"?
 
Don't ask me :P
I just know it's worse than the horizontal butt ;)
 
The comment section is hilarious though xD
 
I've withdrawn my subscription
 
8:43 AM
yeah me too
for lack of crochet equipment xD
 
I still think I should make one, one day. Just for the heck of it.
 
Too bad the pattern is no longer on Etsy
 
Life long ban for inappropriate content
Etsy doesn't want to be Edgy
 
fair choice
 
@Luuklag Aww :( Well there's plenty of inappropriate crochet patterns on Ravelry. I'll find another one there :P
 
8:52 AM
good luck, you can have your very own practice doll if you ever decide you want children
For a real lifelike experience with a horizontal exit ;)
 
I'm sorry to break it to you 'doc, but if a lady doth look like this she ain't gonna have children.
 
M'kay
 
Anyways, what's the next topic?
 
@JohnDvorak How was everyone's weekend?
 
Rob
9:41 AM
@JohnDvorak It's knot.
 
10:14 AM
@TheLittleNaruto from my records, you should've received that swag in early 2016 ā€” I see an email exchange between the both of us in Feb. '16, and never heard back from you, so I assumed it'd gotten to you?
 
10:50 AM
@JNat Yeah I got that swag delivered. Thank you for that. The point "Past Contest Winners" was not clear to me. That's why I had asked in comment. :)
 
cool; glad that was cleared up ;)
 
haha yeah :)
 
 
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12:42 PM
I was only trying to prevent the question being re-asked on SO. Was my comment so toxic that it needed to go?
 
quote it here and if we six flag you then yes :P
 
@rene That's an answer. Don't answer off-topic questions XD
 
... oh
 
Okay ....
 
This one, right?
 
12:45 PM
yeah. So it was you! Where is my pitchfork? To meta!
 
@rene well you can certainly try
 
Hahaha yeah it was me. I tend to delete those as that means when an OP comes back and sees their deleted question, they at least won't have the benefit of also finding an answer there.
 
Okay, I'll keep it to offering searches then ....
 
I think next time if you want to avoid people asking at SO, just saying SO doesn't take typo-type questions is fine ;)
Offering searches is good too :)
 
@JohnDvorak that is a nice way to rate comments, yes. I'll keep that one in mind.
Worth mentioning I know nothing about Java
 
12:50 PM
My knowledge of Java has quickly deteriorated. I think if I have to write stuff now, I'm going to need searching for tutorials again XD
 
Last time I wrote something in Java I was using AWT in a browser object thingy with the SUN JRE. I might have used Visual J++ once or twice.
 
public static void Main() { //that's all I remember from Java classes ;)
 
that is enough
 
Yeah, that's basically all you need to know :D
 
1:07 PM
Huh. Weird, all I remember was this: public static avoid Main() { }
 
:D
 
That could work too :P
 
@Rob I admire your look into small details... I didn't pay so much attention. :-)
@terdon you have better teacher, for sure. :P
 
Nah, I'm just a coward who flees from non-interpreted languages :)
 
Rob
@ShadowWizardisVaccinating All the details were not small, just none were good.
It could be worse, or would this be an improvement:
 
1:15 PM
@terdon rofl :D
 
Rob
5 hours ago, by Tinkeringbell
I just know it's worse than the horizontal butt ;)
 
@Rob not my point... I simply didn't look long enough. But now did, so guess I should thank you? :)
 
Rob
You now know what to avoid.
 
The one to the left was the only thing I saw when first looking, for the whole two seconds before closing it.
OK, maybe three.
 
Rob
The one with the leech bite marks.
 
1:18 PM
Actually didn't notice such thing even after second look. Guess I just don't know how leech bite marks look like?
 
Rob
Maybe she got 'em huntin gaters.
With her cousin.
 
While I don't think images like that need to be scrubbed, perhaps it is beneficial to not start discussing them in chat besides asking for r/a flags.
 
@terdon BUT THEY LACK THE PURITY OF C!
also in most modern environments, autocomplete and learning to read the error messages ought to do wonders
 
@Tinkeringbell +1
 
@JourneymanGeek error messages? what are those?
 
1:23 PM
:D
(actually when training new co-workers on the finer points of running queries for the devs, I intentionally typo, act dumb and walk them through finding the issue :D )
 
@JourneymanGeek Seltec * From MyTypo;
?
 
select * annoys me though
 
@JourneymanGeek ... that's annoying.
 
1:25 PM
Me too but only way to see all fields
 
@Tinkeringbell two reasons
the devs typo, and my advice is "act dumb unless its trivial"
secondly, none of my co-workers actually know SQL at all
so its a critical survival skill.
I do not make them sit through 6 hours of trying to open the proverbial can of beans though
 
My co-workers just learn SQL in the hard way.
 
Its literally "Hm, I might have made an error... column 13... AH!"
 
One wiped away production database by mistake. Great way to learn what no to do. :D
 
@JourneymanGeek Still, the most annoying part of my job is cleaning up messes other people made. My coworker has just had 2 weeks of vacation, and last week at least three things came by that he 'made' that needed a fix in some way or another.
 
1:28 PM
@ShadowWizardisVaccinating SECOND thing I teach folks is "Select is safe. Update - check what you typed before you run it, ANYTHING ELSE, act dumb"
 
Rob
@ShadowWizardisVaccinating I learned what those marks are probably from, but I see we'll not be discussing it; which is for the best.
 
@Tinkeringbell its mostly harmless
 
Which does mean I've been stupid as well when reviewing those things.
Should've noticed them XD
Rob... stop.
Sheesh.
 
@ShadowWizardisVaccinating costly mistake I imagine
 
@JourneymanGeek Yep. Just like starting a fire with matches lacks the purity of good ole fashion'd flint and stone!
 
1:35 PM
@terdon flint and stone. People these days have it so lucky. Gotta put some elbow grease into it with a bow-drill...
 
I'll embrace technology, and take a flame-thrower.
 
@JourneymanGeek exactly
My co-worker forgot the Where in Update SQL.
 
lol
in theory other than one specific query (that's 'safe') we shouldn't be running update scripts without l2, dba and managerial clearance...
so...
not us :D
 
@Rob pity but fair
@Luuklag some pages went offline for about an hour, until database was restored. :)
It actually was "only" one table, but quite a vital one.
Connecting to a "greedy VPN" or whatever you call a VPN that blocks all other web traffic, so won't be around for a while. Cya!
 
I've never heard those called greedy before, but that's a nice way of thinking about those. Good luck!
 
1:47 PM
lol
 
1:59 PM
@Tinkeringbell Mounted on your tank? :)
 
Ooh, great idea :D
 
What do you guys think of this:
 
I'm honestly surprised you remember my tank :D
 
Perhaps it is better if you copy most of your post into an answer, and leave a short question. That way we allow for more discussion on the question at hand "the ideal SE mindset", and in that way people can value both your question and answer seperately. — Luuklag 24 secs ago
 
@Tinkeringbell How could we forget?!
 
2:01 PM
@Luuklag Ehhh... I'm not sure how a discussion on an ideal SE mindset is relevant and I'm almost done finishing an answer adding nuance to most of OPs points....
But sure, I can hold back on posting that and see what happens with the post, I wouldn't mind it if it was closed or edited.
 
Well im also not clear if we should close it as Off-topic
I see some value in the question, the answer is more of a rambling if you ask me
 
I don't know either. I think 'ideal SE mindset' is vague enough to be too opinion based and unclear.... And yes, the rest of the post seems mostly rambling.
It could probably also help if you could clarify why the ideal SE mindset should be discussed here. Asking us what the ideal mindset is seems nice, but what kind of problem would we be solving here by all just posting our opinions on what we think is ideal? What goal does knowing about the ideal mindset work towards? — Tinkeringbell ♦ 12 secs ago
 
Rob
2:35 PM
The questions don't have to be excellent, ideally the answers would be; but that question needs improvement.
 
@Tinkeringbell based on observing various SE users' "ideal SE mindset" conflicting with each others...
 
2:52 PM
@MetaAndrewT. Yeah mindsets are weird things.
 
@MetaAndrewT. and you often find 'sucessful' SE users often have wildly varying mindsets
from rep hunters, to folks looking for interesting problems
 
I'm content :) Just had a first chat with the new contractor, and there's a possibility I might still get light grey wall tiles in the shower/toilet instead of white ones :)
If everything goes okay and they get all the paperwork in order in the next few weeks, they start building again early February :D
 
@Tinkeringbell you had me cheering at new contractor
 
Didn't I share that? It's been known for quite a while now that there was one...
Thought I had mentioned it.
 
nope :D
 
3:01 PM
Oh well.
 
or I missed it
I've been distracted lately
 
Same here so it wouldn't surprise me if I did not mention it :)
Oh well, these people seem nice. I did think that of the previous one too though so no promises.
 
lol
I need to check if they updated the photos on mine
there was no new photos after june
 
Oof That's a long time without seeing progress.
I don't get online pictures, but I can just walk by if I'm curious ;)
Haven't seen any movement there since late August though.
 
lol
I donno if construction got pushed back by covid or they just didn't bother to update
 
3:08 PM
Could be both.
Over here corona was definitely mentioned as one of the things that would likely delay the build. Orders that can't be fulfilled or measures that mean only limited numbers of people there at a time...
Still, they're hoping to have it finished around July/August... (again, with a really, really big "IF")
I'm expecting November XD
 
Q3 2022 or possibly as far back as Q1 2024 for me
 
That's still a looooong way away.
Oof.
Then again, they're building a bit more than 6 apartments ;)
 
3:21 PM
Eternal September? Hopefully not Eternal 2020...
 
somewhat more
and a little taller... I'm on the 12th floor, and there's a void and a rood garden over me
 
3:49 PM
Woohoo! Capitalism ;)
5
 
šŸš½
 
Eh, I actually like it in general, with one minor flaw: It breaks my muscle memory.
And the hitboxes are kinds small still, so I'll probably end up misclicking things if they're in double rows.
 
4:15 PM
@Tinkeringbell thanks! Almost done, but still numbers are off. :(
 
@Tinkeringbell I'm so mad at this pun that I laughed.
 
New ad that caught my eye... should I click? ;)
I don't mind seeing ads, but think I actually clicked less than 10 in all my years seeing them.
One was actually good, bought espresso capsules for cheaper price than I usually pay.
@Tinkeringbell no doubt it's because of the Capitol drama last week.
:D
 
4:52 PM
New power! Rollback!
 
The Rollback button is nice, yeah :)
 
Would be nice to be able to add a reason shown as edit summary though. Super useful, and requires a non-trivial workaround.
 
What's this rollback button? I see people chatting about it but I'm unsure what y'all are referring to.
I'm assuming it's not the one available in the revision history ;D
 
@Spevacus new action link, next to Edit/Flag/Delete, when someone else has edited your post.
 
4:57 PM
I didn't test it yet, but pretty sure it's the same as clicking "rollback" in revisions. (to the latest revision you have.)
 
Oh that's neat. Gotcha.
 
@Spevacus expect more rollback wars now, but yeah... useful. :)
 
Yeah I'm hoping that it doesn't present itself to new users and they think "Ooh, shiny." and rollback a useful edit.
 
I bet great many users had no idea about rollbacks... now they have.
@Spevacus yeah, this too. :/
sdc coffee Spe
 
@ShadowWizardisVaccinating brews a cup of Espresso for @Spe
 
4:59 PM
i don't see a rollback button
 
sdc coffee Sha
 
@user400654 link?
 
@Spevacus brews a cup of Americano for @Sha
 
@user400654 Pick one of your own posts, that someone has edited?
 
4:59 PM
Must be post of yours that was edited by someone else, @user400654
@user400654 not yours
 
Ah, only my own posts?
 
i don't make posts, so,
 
@user400654 lurker! :D
 
Is it a "hot" button? Is there a confirmation if I click it? I don't wanna bump an old Q of mine accidentally.
 
5:00 PM
@Spevacus hot button?? lol
 
But yes, there is confirmation dialog
 
Oh good
 
There's a confirmation dialog :)
 
Whew
 
5:01 PM
Well that's basic
 
I do wonder... 'all changes made by other users since your last edit'... That means that if one of you makes an additional edit, I'll automatically roll back to rev 3?
 
Worth trying out I suppose.
 
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A: Formatting Sandbox

TinkeringbellI want to try out the new rollback button. Deface this post please? :D

I want two edits please, make em funny! XD
 
@Tinkeringbell you're welcome ;)
I defaced it
 
@ShadowWizardisVaccinating Hahaha nice one!
Yeah, it rolled back to rev 1.
 
5:04 PM
My poo! :(
 
Sorry poo.
 
Interesting.
 
lol
Well, pretty straight forward, it rolls back to latest revision made by author.
 
@Spevacus I wonder how much 'trouble' that is going to cause... of course it's only shown to the original author of the post so other people just rolling back one revision shouldn't be an issue.
 
it's gonna be used by people who are furious
 
5:06 PM
Wonder about rep? @Tink
 
@ShadowWizardisVaccinating I do wonder... @Sha now that I've rolled back, do you have a rollback button to go back to yours?
@ShadowWizardisVaccinating What rep? For suggested edits?
 
@Tinkeringbell let me see...
 
i don't see da button
 
Nope.
> Share
Edit
Follow
Flag
heh, weird, copy & paste cause new line.
 
Okay, so it's only shown to people that've had others editing their own post... that could work.
 
5:09 PM
@Tinkeringbell for having the "Rollback" appear.
pulling sock from the shadows
oh dang... my sock has over 100 rep on MSE, and no posts on other sites. :/
 
Hmm, I don't know about that one...
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A: Formatting Sandbox

greenparrotAnother rollback button test, Shadow wanted to see if it appears for low rep users.

 
Yeah, it shows up :)
 
It works, too
Now I shall stuff that account back into the deep depths from where it was summoned XD
Ugh my one-button-to-close-comment-downvote-delete blatantly off-topic posts is broken too, it's not showing up :(
@Glorfindel halp? (no rush!)
 
5:28 PM
lost souls?
I use it too :D
 
Yeah, it's gone for me :(
 
@Tinkeringbell caused by the post menu update. Fortunately, I already pushed an update an hour ago :)
 
Ah, I'll make sure to check for updates next time before pinging XD
Sorry!
 
np
I mean, who expects an update for a userscript less than an hour after it's broken...
 
@Glorfindel You're the best
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5:34 PM
thx :)
 
The new caps action buttons are... not great.
 
@Glorfindel Oh, we all do :P
 
@Ollie I think we'll get used to them.
 
@Glorfindel ...like we got used to the new line-height? I wouldn't be as irritated if they actually made a post saying they were going to do this and what we thought about it.
 
The line height was a different beast.
 
5:36 PM
@Ollie I think so. I didn't like that either, but by now I completely forgot about it.
 
@Spevacus Yes, but still.
 
5:51 PM
Oh no, the change took away Glorfindel's Saviour of Lost Souls script. Argheargheargh.
 
18 mins ago, by Glorfindel
@Tinkeringbell caused by the post menu update. Fortunately, I already pushed an update an hour ago :)
Update ;)
 
@Tinkeringbell Oh thanks. *breathes a sigh of relief*
 
Hi everyone
 
Hello!
 
Hello
 
5:53 PM
Iā€™m new here.nice to meet you all
 
Good to meet you too :)
 
@user102532 Welcome to Meta!
 
6:06 PM
@Glorfindel Which script was that?
 
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Q: 'Saviour' of Lost Souls

Glorfindel 'Saviour' of Lost Souls Meta sites, but especially Meta Stack Exchange, see a lot of 'lost souls', users who have no idea that they're on Meta (e.g. because of a suboptimal email or a Stack Overflow question ban) and post a question which might or might not be on-topic on another Stack Exch...

and I updated Archivist too.
 
I went to that entry not long ago and SE gave me the "Hey, you've been here before. Don't forget to upvote the question and answers if they helped you!" banner. This proves that even Stack Exchange sponsors the "Upvoted because Glorfindel" reasoning.
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thanks
 
6:22 PM
 
7:00 PM
Just FYI, the capitalization of the post menu buttons and the fact that user scripts broke are two separate issues. At the same time that was done, the CSS class name for those buttons also changed, which is what broke scripts. That's a completely separate change that doesn't require implementing the other.
 
Looks like the earlier Rollback button testing managed to get the formatting sandbox protected. Could someone undo that?
 
@Spevacus I'll clean up after that weird green parrot :P
See why I hate those!?
 
Red parrots are superior.
 
āš”
 
7:38 PM
@SonictheCuriouserHedgehog Like, "The egg didn't break because I fell over, but because I dropped it. Just happens that the two events were nearly simultaneous."
 
@AdrianMole A while ago, the CSS class name for vote counts was changed, leading to no outward change as to how those work but breakage for user scripts.
Similarly, SE could have changed the capitalization but kept the class name the same, and no scripts would have been broken.
 
Of course, I understand your point. But the fact that the devs made those two changes at the same time (neither without any prior notice or 'consultation') is, IMHO, an issue.
@Spevacus Can't beat the Norwegian Blue.
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Blue ones are even worse than green ones! Watch your language, you....
 
...?
 
Hi, I'm a too red parrot that dislikes all other colours? :D
There's a lot of jokes about that in here :)
 
7:55 PM
Red, blue, green - no matter. As long as we don't have any ultra-violent [sic] parrots.
 
Red ones are really the best ;)
they're non-violent :D
 
But I'm red-puce colour-blind.
 
Ah, that's a pretty common ailment. A lot of people see those two as the same color :P
"dark-red" ... yeah right.
 
 
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