> The amount of effort to build and maintain our own renderer when we still built our own Markdown renderers made this change prohibitively expensive. Teams customers asking for this feature allowed us to spent time on fundamentally revamping our Markdown rendering functionality and to get all the foundations in place to finally support tables.
So the real impetus to switch to a standard form of Markdown in order to support table formatting came from paying Teams customers, even though this was asked for long before Teams even existed.
To be fair, in the early years, Jeff refused to allow table support, and in the couple years following his leaving, SE was in a "what would Jeff do" mentality, but in the years following that...
@SonictheK-DayHedgehog they already abused tables to do layout. Having tables in a table cell was unlikely to go well with the given browser back then. Technical debt can be a pain.
@SonictheK-DayHedgehog likely, also: I think both Jeff and Balpha hoped that CommonMark would emerge quickly and define a standard for table markdown. That still hasn't happened. Waiting is not always bad, just don't overshoot 6 to 8 weeks ...
@rene Well, OK. But as far as I'm aware, tables were no longer being used for layout since at least January 2018 (I suspect a lot earlier, since the minor redesign in 2015-16).
@rene Still, though, paying Teams customers are what pushed them to be early birds and push out tables with GitHub Flavored Markdown, rather than continue waiting until CommonMark supported tables.
The Editor (with tables) has been working for a while in Teams; I think we have both a different version of the underlying software, and obviously a different UI, but the old version (Team Editor with table support) is available and working - you can edit there, paste here:
Thanks for the effort, the upcoming Editor might help a little; but wasn't able to parse and render the contents of this answer. — Rob7 hours ago
hm. So, work was quiet so I decided to do some work on my server... (I know I know :D )
so... i managed to create an account to migrate stuff over (and I generate the password randomly off a website that generates random passwords)... set up the db, then realise I didn't have/know the password... and accidentally deleted it
resetting postgres passwords is easy with admin rights but facepalm
@Tinkeringbell So.... not only SE employs animals as unpaid workforce, including but not limited to rare parrots, dogs, occasional cats, owls, hedgehogs and even some rare endangered candy-colored pony..... it leaves poor chickens outside in the snow during winters... and then put them in the freezer too?
@Luuklag It's a thing that has baffled me for ages... while some companies get reprimanded for 'kartelvorming' and 'verboden prijsafspraken', things like OPEC or Wakker Dier can increase prices artificially by just making sure every chicken needs a label or less oil is pumped up...
@Luuklag Sure, but the result shouldn't be that no one gets to make the consideration themselves (more affordable food vs more animal wellbeing). If I go to the supermarket now, I can't find the meat without labels anymore and make my own choice!
I wonder, what's the minimum age you would allow your kids to have coffee?
My wife says only 16, I would allow even at 12 if it was up to me. And got friends who gave their 6 y/o kids coffee, though only to taste, not a full cup.
@g3rv4 well, let's see.... we had two full lockdowns (all of Israel), each about a month... and two separate personal quarantines, two weeks each.... so three months were lost.
@Shadow10YearsWizard One time while transiting flights at the Munich airport, when I was 11, my parents got me a hot chocolate while getting a coffee for themselves. Unfortunately, they had confused the cup of coffee for the cup of hot chocolate, and I drank the full cup before they noticed
Caffeine messes with sleep patterns if you're not accustomed. So I'd not recommend it for kids in the evening or even the afternoon, only the morning if they really insist.
Hot chocolate is a good alternative
...and goes better with stroopwafels than coffee does
Here in the U.S., one can argue that the chicken farmers are being treated worse than the chickens
Chickens are routinely well-fed, enough that they grow fat (and produce more meat), while farmers are straddled into "independent" contracts much like TNC drivers, only worse.
@Tinkeringbell Its still available, just don't go to the supermarket. They take their social responsibility in making it easier for people to buy meat that had a (marginally) better life. Not that I personally care much about it.
@SonictheK-DayHedgehog Just don't mix coffee and kids ;)
I think I started drinking coffee when I started working, so that would be 13 or so
Here in NL we have two seperate labels for those things. We have scharrel, which is free range in the most limited sense, and Vrije-uitloop which is closer to the principles of biolgical agriculture
@Shadow10YearsWizard My dad had a similar company. And I worked for the next door neighbour. So just walked up there one day and asked if he could use some hands
@Shadow10YearsWizard Because most of the SREs and many of the Arch team are in the US and on holiday, so can't (or shouldn't have to) respond to fixing stuff that breaks. And if people put things in the pipeline but something does break, they've got to ... muck with stuff to get the pipeline cleared, so they just don't let people do stuff.
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