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Journeyman Geek

@SonictheK-DayHedgehog done

Rob

1:33 AM

Mandarin-Style Orange Chicken, preferred over Duck a l'orange by ducks everywhere:

Spevacus

1:48 AM

Looks nice :)

Sonic the K-Day Hedgehog

2:28 AM

Finally, the number of answers I've posted surpasses the number of questions I've asked

For the longest time, I always had slightly more questions asked than answers provided.

Feeds

5:46 AM

stackoverflow.blog/2020/11/03/…

Sonic the K-Day Hedgehog

6:30 AM

@JNat Cross-site spammer: stackexchange.com/users/19598779/roxane-fabin

rene

6:44 AM

Is this spanish: meta.stackexchange.com/q/356156/158100 ?

Ryan M

@rene Yes, lost soul looking for SO en español

rene

@RyanM are you spanish enough to redirect them to the how to ask on that site with a comment?

Ryan M

@rene ehhhhhhh, I could, but I'm hesitant given that it's no MCVE. I've gotten the impression that pointing people who ask bad questions in the wrong spot to ask them in the right spot is not necessarily productive (if they couldn't tell it was the wrong spot from the complete lack of Spanish, will they really read the help center on es.SO?)

(also it was deleted before I had a chance anyway, which is fine)

rene

@RyanM it is deleted already, so ... thanks for checking ...

Ryan M

np :-)

rene

7:07 AM

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Shadow 10 Years Wizard

7:55 AM

@NordTheLoftyWizard Go C? ;)

@Tinkeringbell did you have a chance to play? My kids reached total score of 13M yesterday, and made a party from it. lol

Tinkeringbell

@Shadow10YearsWizard Nope I was busy hunting halloweaster eggs on another forum this weekend :)

Shadow 10 Years Wizard

@Tinkeringbell so early?? :D

Sonic the K-Day Hedgehog

@Tinkeringbell Wouldn't having Easter every six months, rather than every year, make it a bit more boring?

Tinkeringbell

Something with migrating the forum software so they couldn't have the hunt around easter, and now they made it part of the halloween celebrations. It was fun :)

Shadow 10 Years Wizard

lol

Still not a valid excuse to avoid Icy Tower. Harold is lonely. :D

Sonic the K-Day Hedgehog

8:04 AM

@Tinkeringbell six months later: suddenly wondering why there's no Easter celebration

Shadow 10 Years Wizard

8:16 AM

Search is dead.... :(

Catija

Really dead or just useless?

Shadow 10 Years Wizard

Dead, loading forever.

And just when I really needed it for new answer, lol.

Guess another major attack in ongoing.

Catija

... something's building... I can't remember if that borks search or not.

Shadow 10 Years Wizard

(searched for just something to see if it's alive. It's not. the above page appeared after few minutes of loading.)

@Catija heh. so yes, it breaks the search.

Catija

I just don't know if the two are connected...

Shadow 10 Years Wizard

8:23 AM

Hard to believe it's just a coincidence. :)

Catija

Seems like it's taking way too long to get unborked.

Sonic the K-Day Hedgehog

If it happens on all sites but Meta, it's definitely a build issue. (Meta receives builds on a different cycle)

Catija

Apparently it's not a build problem.

Sonic the K-Day Hedgehog

Yep, not working on Meta either

Pandya

Is the search function not working?

@Shadow10YearsWizard Yes.

Luuklag

8:41 AM

@Pandya Try searching for an answer to that ;)

Hmm it took a while, but I got a results page

It's working fine now

Pandya

@Luuklag Yes

Luuklag

Cross site spammer stackexchange.com/users/19269808/desiree-clarin . Can you expedite deletion @Catija?

Rob

Broken search recently, and not so recently, reported: chat.meta.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/8599699#8599699. meta.stackoverflow.com/q/348639/3648282

Sonic the K-Day Hedgehog

9:19 AM

@Luuklag I'd just ping @JNat and wait

Luuklag

okay cool @SonictheK-DayHedgehog

Sonic the K-Day Hedgehog

Most employees actually don't accept such pings, but JNat is an exception, I've obtained permission by email to ping for good measure

Luuklag

@JNat by orders of Sonic ;) Here is a cross-site spammer: stackexchange.com/users/19269808/desiree-clarin

Sonic the K-Day Hedgehog

9:51 AM

sdc report meta.stackexchange.com/a/356178/377214

Luuklag

10:11 AM

sdc report meta.stackexchange.com/questions/356181/…

SmokeDetector

@Luuklag Post 1: Could not find data for this post in the API. It may already have been deleted.

Luuklag

spam is abundant today

Shadow 10 Years Wizard

10:36 AM

@Pandya SE updated some code, and while it was updating search was down, yes.

(at least 10 minutes, wasn't around to check after that.)

@Catija so the build broke something else... it really can't be a coincidence.

Think it's worth a bug report, so dev can dig in the logs to see if it's something that might happen again, and fix it before it does?

15 minutes downtime for search isn't big deal, but also not minor issue.

Luuklag

This is when it came back online more or less: chat.meta.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/8614873#8614873

Shadow 10 Years Wizard

Wow, think the homepage was never so red.

Almost 50% (14 out of 38) of the homepage questions with a red tag. ;)

Luuklag

It's red dabediedabeday dabediedabeday ;)

Shadow 10 Years Wizard

@Luuklag well some of those are your doing, you edited them. ;)

Luuklag

Yeah my OCD triggered because the list order was off ;)

And some were hyperlinked to the current post, whilst others were not

@Shadow10YearsWizard 17/38 now

Shadow 10 Years Wizard

10:51 AM

@Luuklag lol what did you do now? :D

Luuklag

just count again ;)

Shadow 10 Years Wizard

@Luuklag oh.... faq doesn't count.

Luuklag

its red none the less ;)

ill be off to grab some lunch, cya in a bit

Shadow 10 Years Wizard

@Luuklag hehe, yeah. But less red than the others. :P

@Luuklag I'm already after lunch. Bon appetite!

Today, I had this:

Mujaddara

Mujaddara (Arabic: مجدرة‎ mujadarah, with alternative spellings in English majadra, mejadra, moujadara, mudardara, and megadarra) consists of cooked lentils together with groats, generally rice, and garnished with sautéed onions. == Name and origin == Mujaddara is the Arabic word for "pockmarked"; the lentils among the rice resemble pockmarks. The first recorded recipe for mujaddara appears in Kitab al-Tabikh, a cookbook compiled in 1226 by al-Baghdadi in Iraq. Containing rice, lentils, and meat, it was served this way during celebrations. Without meat, it was a medieval Arab dish commonly consumed...

Well, not this style, but still.. rice with good stuff in it. ;)

@David you had lunch already?

sdc tea Spe

SmokeDetector

@Shadow10YearsWizard brews a cup of chamomile tea for @Spe

Journeyman Geek

10:58 AM

@Shadow10YearsWizard would you say its,.... the groatest of all time?

I feel like we need an overview-roll-up question for all of it :D

DavidPostill

@Shadow10YearsWizard nope. it's only 11am ...

Shadow 10 Years Wizard

11:24 AM

@JourneymanGeek hmm? What is? The redness? ;)

@DavidPostill so you're excused. Breakfast? :D

!!/lunch

SmokeDetector

@Shadow10YearsWizard No such command 'lunch'.

Shadow 10 Years Wizard

:(

!!/break fast

SmokeDetector

@Shadow10YearsWizard No such command 'break'.

Pandya

11:35 AM

@Shadow10YearsWizard Btw, what does 10 stand for in your Wizard? Haha

Journeyman Geek

11:46 AM

0_0

@Shadow10YearsWizard : consists of cooked lentils together with groats, generally rice ...

Rob

12:03 PM

@Pandya The number of hours spent drawing the avatar.

Journeyman Geek

12:59 PM

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Catija

1:59 PM

@Shadow10YearsWizard Apparently completely coincidental. Ran out of disk space on one of the servers?

Rubiksmoose

2:52 PM

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Shadow 10 Years Wizard

3:11 PM

@Pandya years

:8615048 what did you remove? :(

@JourneymanGeek yup

@Catija server that happened to run the build? ;)

(build might cause high disk usage, disk gets full, kaboom)

user400654

🚽

Shadow 10 Years Wizard

No, toilets aren't full. :D

Journeyman Geek

3:29 PM

hence me asking if it was the groatest of all time...

Shadow 10 Years Wizard

@JourneymanGeek the rice?

Journeyman Geek

well, the groats?

Shadow 10 Years Wizard

@JourneymanGeek nah. It's bought from the supermarket, not home made.

I would have taken picture of my own, but alas... it's all gone and long thrown. (to trash. ;))

It's the same as the above, with minor design changes, few years passed and they change the text/color/etc.

Found a better picture: i.stack.imgur.com/Hm4qX.png (saving you the onebox this time, one is enough. ;))

Yes, face masks are coming. — Catija ♦ 57 secs ago

Yay! @Catija any spoilers about trigger for face mask hat? :D

Catija

3:51 PM

You won't even need to try.

Shadow 10 Years Wizard

Automatic hat?

Yaakov is the one responsible for the hats again, I assume?

Catija

Nicolas is the CM in charge, I'm... helping because I love hats... Yaakov is involved but Branding is doing a lot of the work, I think. They're doing all the new artwork, anyway.

It won't be a balpha WB but I think it will be good.

Shadow 10 Years Wizard

@Catija awesome! That's a good team.

sdc cat Cat

Catija

Meow

SmokeDetector

@Shadow10YearsWizard No such command 'cat'.

Shadow 10 Years Wizard

4:00 PM

lol

Den bot has cat command. ;)

rene

Someone better finds that em-dash on their keyboard or you'll be haunted by it forever ...

Jon Clements

@Shadow10YearsWizard lol... yeah... would be amazed if somehow your account got nuked... but very curious to know if it ever ends up getting flagged :p

rene

I assume you have enough stories to share of weird things that get flagged ....

Catija

I... really don't like emdashes :P

rene

4:16 PM

I ... just don't want to say told you so in 6 to 8 weeks ....

Catija

Well, I'm sure @JNat will turn them into em-dashes if that's really what people want. He converts my ` - ` into em-dashes all the time.

user400654

4:26 PM

emdashes are a waste of space

John Dvorak

SpacesAreAWasteOfSpaceToo

Jon Ericson

Don't use spaces around emdashes—they should count as word separators.

Jon Clements

(and obviously don't forget to always mix spaces and tabs for indentation... /me runs)

JNat

4:44 PM

@Catija shouldn't I...? :P

Shadow 10 Years Wizard

@JonClements luckily, no way to flag accounts. :D

@rene told - you - so

@JonEricson really? And hello! :D

Jon Ericson

Ahoy!

Shadow 10 Years Wizard

Your office became too cold so you came here to the cozy Tavern? @Jon ;)

Jon Clements

That sounds more interesting than I joined after your comment reply on MSE... so let's go with that :p

Jon Ericson

Just thought I'd see if my topography knowledge could be useful—lo and behold!

Shadow 10 Years Wizard

4:51 PM

meta.stackexchange.com/questions/356122/…

Jon Ericson

(Two Jons make this confusing.)

Shadow 10 Years Wizard

@Catija or post a comment then the edit will cause a revision ^^

(unless self comment doesn't count? Didn't really check)

Catija

Ah, yeah, that's likely easier... I'm... not sure if self comments count or not, actually. I... don't know that we made it that smart.

(so it probably does count)

Shadow 10 Years Wizard

lol fair enough

Jon Clements

@JonEricson Can't be helped I'm afraid... good to see you around

Jon Ericson

4:53 PM

You too. Always good to have Jon solidarity.

Shadow 10 Years Wizard

@JonClements well we can go with @JonC and @JonE, I guess. ;)

Victor VosMottor

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Q: requests.exceptions.HTTPError: 500 Server Error: Internal Server Error for url: https://meta.stackexchange.com/users/login

I'm working on my chatbot for StackExchange (mainly for StackOverflow in Russian) and everythink worked fine until today I rebooted it and when it tried to login to MSE again it raised this error: Traceback (most recent call last): File "main.py", line 475, in <module> se_chat.login(email, ...

Jon Clements

@JonEricson not that I'm biased but it is an awesome name :p

Catija

Are you both Jonathans? That seems to be common when shortening to "Jon".

Jon Ericson

I am.

Shadow 10 Years Wizard

5:02 PM

@Catija like Jeff is Jeffrey? ;)

Jon Clements

@Catija Yup

Catija

:D Andy's middle name is Jonathon... with two os instead of two as.

Shadow 10 Years Wizard

That's very.... speciol. :D

Jonathon who can easily run a marathon... ;)

Tinkeringbell

Sounds a bit like a name you might find a fantasy book :)

Jon Clements

@Catija I've seen some quite inventive ways of spelling it... but that's the other common one... have seen Johnathon and variants like that

Shadow 10 Years Wizard

5:06 PM

Middle names are pretty rare in Israel, for some reason.

Catija

:D

Jon Clements

Well, if it's anything like mine, there's a good reason for that :p

Catija

@Tinkeringbell Oh, you mean like Robb and Bran ? :P

Shadow 10 Years Wizard

And it's weird, since we're in the Middle East.... :P

Jon Clements

@Shadow10YearsWizard /me groans :p

Tinkeringbell

5:07 PM

@Catija Something like that yeah. Pick a very common name and change one or two letters is a valid tactic, it seems :P

Jon Clements

hey @Catija there's someone here with a username that clearly indicates that's not old enough to use the site... think with that and that terrible bit of attempt humour - they should get nuked :p

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user400654

it took me this long to realize there were two jons here

🚽

Tinkeringbell

@user400654 Now there's three :P

Catija

@JonClements Oh, I see what you mean. I'll get right on that.

Shadow 10 Years Wizard

huh! Found one. ;)

Jon Clements

5:08 PM

@Catija having said that... that cake does look quite nice... I think if they share it out, things can be overlooked? :p

Shadow 10 Years Wizard

@user400654 no no, can't be for both. Each Jon needs his own.

So from now on, post two every time. :P

🚽🚽

Catija

Cake bribes are always an option.

user400654

🚽

Tinkeringbell

@user400654 Ah yes, the cursive toilet. For when you drunk and sit straight.

Catija

I... did not realize you could make emoji italic.

Shadow 10 Years Wizard

5:10 PM

Tilting toilets are fun.

@Catija well we have emoji guru here.

But yeah, since it's just a font, makes sense we can format it.

Catija

That said, I understand there's two ways to "italicize" things... one just... slants it over somehow and the actual italics are generally a separate version of the font? Or something?

Jon Clements

@Shadow10YearsWizard one of those everyday phrases one never hears enough :p

user400654

no idea

fonts aren't really my thing

Shadow 10 Years Wizard

@JonClements or just vivid memories of airplane toilets. ;)

Catija

Ah, apparently it's italic and oblique.

> Oblique type is a form of type that slants slightly to the right, used for the same purposes as italic type. Unlike italic type, however, it does not use different glyph shapes; it uses the same glyphs as roman type, except slanted. Oblique and italic type are technical terms to distinguish between the two ways of creating slanted font styles; oblique designs may be labelled italic by companies selling fonts or by computer programs. Oblique designs may also be called slanted or sloped roman styles.

Shadow 10 Years Wizard

5:14 PM

Take this!

(just changed font size to 200px)

?

Catija

Never mind.

Shadow 10 Years Wizard

!!/help

SmokeDetector

@Shadow10YearsWizard I'm SmokeDetector, a bot that detects spam and offensive posts on the network and posts alerts to chat. A command list is available here.

rene

\o/ language header bugs are the best bugs.

this is a weird somewhat scary bug/security message with the app: meta.stackoverflow.com/q/402630/578411 assuming nothing changed on SE site wrt the Apps.

Catija

5:29 PM

App is fine on my phone... but I don't have iOS 14. I'm usually a few releases behind.

13.5.1

Shadow 10 Years Wizard

@rene Bonjour

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Q: What triggers the "would like to find and connect to devices on your local network" permission notification on iOS 14?

What actual method calls, excluding Bonjour, triggers the "would like to find and connect to devices on your local network" permission notification on iOS 14? This is the screen shot from the WWDC session on this new permission. Which is only somewhat helpful as an overview. I'm more interested i...

ios ios14

Pretty sure iOS app indeed use Bonjour

rene

@Shadow10YearsWizard you speak French now?

Shadow 10 Years Wizard

lol

rene

@Catija and you're using it over a local network I assume?

Catija

Hmm?

It's ... just my phone.

rene

5:35 PM

You use your home wifi?

Catija

When I'm at home. But I use the app when I'm out and about, too.

rene

Okay, I can imagine the App / Phone "tells" the apps that it connected to a wifi network and that it found other devices, for example another phone or macbook. That is probably the Bonjour service @sha was talking about earlier.

Shadow 10 Years Wizard

@Spev thanks for the Lifejacket!

@rene yup, and until iOS 14, it didn't trigger any alarm...

Spevacus

;D

Shadow 10 Years Wizard

@Spe wait, you understand what I talk about? lol

Catija

5:39 PM

Oh... is that the thing that lets the phone see that you're using similar apps on your other devices?

rene

I think so, yes. I ddn't read-up on that Bonjour service. I said "Bonjour" to Apple long ago.

Spevacus

@Shadow10YearsWizard Mhmm, I'm familiar with that badge and the answer of yours I edited earlier. Neat to see that the question went on to get a positive score.

Shadow 10 Years Wizard

@Spevacus yup. :)

Catija

Au revoir?

Shadow 10 Years Wizard

French fries!

rene

5:41 PM

@Catija would fit as well ...

Catija

I think Bonjour has the same issue that "aloha" does... it is both a greeting and a farewell.

Shadow 10 Years Wizard

@rene so you post answer to the MSO post?

rene

I dropped French on request of my French teacher ...

@Shadow10YearsWizard no, you?

Shadow 10 Years Wizard

@rene no, it's time for kids to play Icy Tower

It's more important than answering SE/SO questions. ;)

rene

Okay.

Tinkeringbell

5:51 PM

@Catija Really? Perhaps it's a very informal farewell then, because I've always been told to use au revoir (ooievaar for rene ;) )

Catija

Ah, yeah, seems I was wrong. Salut, can be both?

Tinkeringbell

That I don't know. I could ask in TAS, there's a few French people there :P

terdon

6:12 PM

@Catija no, only a greeting, not a goodbye

Rob

By those standards "thank you" can be both - IE: "Thanks for helping" and (politely) "Go away, quickly!".

terdon

Ah sorry, I thought I was replying to the Au revoir bit, that is only goodbye. "Salut" can indeed be both.

Catija

:D

My French is... from high school, which is now 20 years ago.

terdon

Yeah, mine's getting up there these days. I used to live there for a few years, but I left in 2015 and my French has been steadily declining since then.

Catija

Well... living there is different, too. American language acquisition is... merde.

Jon Clements

6:45 PM

@Catija I still mean to take up other languages at some point... but my excuse is that since English seems to be the current lingua franca, there's little point, and when I've tried basic French/Spanish etc... on holiday, they just take pity on your attempts (I'm guessing as they don't want their language butchered) and just talk to you in English anyway :(

terdon

@Catija True. Although, in this particular regard, that cuts both ways. French language acquisition is pretty merdic too.

Sonic the K-Day Hedgehog

My French teacher was one of the most eccentric and fun teachers at our high school, and clearly loved her job. I have lots of memories from that class.

Jon Clements

(although I don't think most of us are going to be having foreign holidays in the immediate future...)

terdon

@JonClements It gets better after you reach a basic level of proficiency. It's worth it!

Sonic the K-Day Hedgehog

My best memory is when she taught us how to read recipes in French, and I demonstrated my knowledge by borrowing a hot plate from the chemistry lab and using it to make crepes in class

Tinkeringbell

7:14 PM

@Catija Don't worry. Even in high school I couldn't get it right, when we took our international school city trip I told the hosts of me and a classmate we were going to sleep, but mixed up dormir and coucher :P

Ollie

7:29 PM

@Shadow10YearsWizard Get this monkey off me straightaway.

throws a yellow monkey on @Ollie — Shadow 10 Years Wizard 29 mins ago

Ollie

11:07 PM

A possible bug:

See this comment.

The user who posted it is deleted.

Has been deleted, I mean.

But their name still shows. Not their ID.

It's not a case of "question migrated, username shown but not linked"

because they posted a comment there. They must have had an account.

Sonic the K-Day Hedgehog

@Ollie Account deletions in 2011 and earlier didn't overwrite the username to user ID.

Ollie

You learn something new every day ;) Thanks, Sonic.

Yet another possible bug:

The capitalization on that prompt is nonexistent (except for Area 51).

Sonic the K-Day Hedgehog

@Ollie Guess it wasn't updated to use the new Stacks guidelines. Prior to those, the convention was to make everything lowercase whenever possible.

Ollie

Well, report...

@SonictheK-DayHedgehog That's a lot of guideline. Is there a specific part?

These. (?)

Sonic the K-Day Hedgehog

Not entirely sure where exactly it's written, it may not be there, but it is definitely new convention since 2018.

Ollie

11:21 PM

Reported.

Rob

11:53 PM

@Ollie, Regarding your recent Area 51 questions, hopefully you know that Area 51 is in a holding pattern and is unlikely to get its Job Jar attended to RSN.

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