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M.A.R.

00:16

Hi @Ann

Ann Zen

@M.A.R. Hi

M.A.R.

Back in my day, we wrestled alligators with our toes, and staff never responded to posts

Ann Zen

posts?

M.A.R.

So it's showing that you're new ;) Consider an official reply a bonus, I still don't think it's guaranteed on anything

Although it might be that I'm not paying attention

Spevacus

@AnnZen In a publicly posted question, or a message sent through the Contact Us form?

M.A.R.

00:18

You can assume it's automatically [status-review]

Ann Zen

Contact us form

Spevacus

Hmm... From what I understand, they're pretty backed up, so it might take anywhere from a week to three weeks.

And even then that's no guarantee.

M.A.R.

Oh I totally forgot about Contact Us. They used to be fast with that one, Cat is all over everything these days, so it's still true probably

Ann Zen

:'(

M.A.R.

It's false?

My assumptions are never false. Ur false

Spevacus

00:20

It seemed to be in reference to an actual weight training question, and actually answered the question. Seemed fine to me ;D

Well, actually, it was about fixing posture

The lad recommended core fitness training

@AnnZen As @M.A.R. mentioned, Catija has been very responsive to all sorts of support questions lately, but because feedback through the support form isn't publicly available, I don't know if her responsiveness extends to that area.

Soooo... All I can say is, good luck!

Ann Zen

support questions?

M.A.R.

Questions tagged support

Spevacus

Whoops...

MAR that WAS actually true

>_>

I should be more careful x.x

M.A.R.

support

Haha

I will rub it in your face

Ann Zen

@M.A.R. I'm talking about contacting the team using the Contact us option.

M.A.R.

00:24

Although I was never referring to that SD post, but about the Contact Us thing

Sonic the Masked Werehog

38

Q: "Contact us"... and then what?

So I had a dispute with the moderators at a specific SE site. As a result, I got suspended there. As per SE guidelines, I pressed the "Contact us" button and wrote to the higher powers to appeal. That was 5-6 weeks ago. There was zero feedback, neither positive, nor negative, not even "it's in p...

Spevacus

Yeah I changed my feedback to true pos

Still a tad new to feedbackifying

M.A.R.

@Ann the gist of the second half of the conversation was that Catija is an active CM so she might be there to respond to your Contact Us thing

Although I vaguely recall . . . Animuson was in charge of Contact Us?

Also is Tim Post still working for SE?

Spevacus

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

M.A.R.

Also I'm trying to justify being up at 5

Sonic the Masked Werehog

00:27

@M.A.R. animuson's in charge of the Support team, which handles support tickets and either actions them if they're simple (e.g. an account merge request) or forwards them on to other teams (e.g. community).

M.A.R.

Sonic flies in with cape to the rescue

Spev let's bail

Spevacus

We out!

M.A.R.

Although if you have a cape, does it help with aerodynamics or does it just hold you back?

Ann Zen

Are most of the staff not users on the site?

M.A.R.

They are, but few (Mostly only community managers) check the questions page often

Wait, you mean Contact Us. Again. Ugh. I have no idea how that one looks like behind the scenes.

Ann Zen

00:31

@M.A.R. ?

M.A.R.

Some devs hang out here and there. Like @Yaakov

And then there's @g3rv4, I have no idea what he's up to.

Ann Zen

And @Catija?

M.A.R.

Maybe has Tavern in the favorites and joins here every time

Cat is a community manager

They manage the community

I mean obviously

Ann Zen

Is that different from staff?

M.A.R.

It's part of their job to keep in touch

g3rv4

00:33

@M.A.R. me neither tbh

M.A.R.

Eeek hides

Ann Zen

@M.A.R. with the community?

M.A.R.

Please don't magix me into dirt

g3rv4

I just joined here a couple times, had some interesting convos

and then favorited the room

M.A.R.

@Ann yes, with the community. They also solve community related issues. Some meta fight, mods needing help with some socks

g3rv4

00:35

so every day when I join my favorite rooms, I join here :)

Ann Zen

@g3rv4 hi

g3rv4

@AnnZen o/

M.A.R.

Mods are exception handlers. CMs are exception exception handlers.

Dunno how to be more concise than that

Rob

@Spevacus What you linked to says: "For posts containing no understandable content (e.g. “essentially what they wrote, at the end" ..." - what I linked to says: "These posts usually can be salvaged by editing out the inappropriate language and leaving a comment. Therefore the appropriate feedback is f as we don’t want a system-level block preventing these kind of posts.".

Ann Zen

@g3rv4 Can I ask you a statistical question?

Rob

00:47

I am a Core member of Charcoal. While I won't be the one who reviews your Feedback it's part of what I do to assist you with it. You may or may not receive a 'review warning' and a ban will probably be lengthy - a couple of well known people were removed from reviewing recently. Carry on.

M.A.R.

nervous nail-biting

Meh, I've not been core for months

Rob

Bail nighting?

M.A.R.

You need 2 reviews per month or something

@Rob the science guy

g3rv4

@AnnZen I'm putting my kid to sleep :) leave it here and I'll do my best to reply tomorrow ;)

Rob

I knew this guy, and everything was science to him; except for science itself, he didn't know what that was.

Obviously, that's not you; as you are attending university.

M.A.R.

00:56

@g3rv4 what if only the kid could reply? Like the genius kids thing

I've never seen what Bill does. Only saw him fundraising for some charity on YouTube years ago

Nonetheless, the title is evidently punnable

Ann Zen

@g3rv4 that's okay.

Rob

Better than: The Chosen One.

M.A.R.

Apparently he has six honorary doctorates

Rob

Yes but sports player and financiers also get those.

Honorary degree

An honorary degree is an academic degree for which a university (or other degree-awarding institution) has waived all of the usual requirements, such as matriculation, attendance, course credits, a dissertation, and the passing of comprehensive examinations. It is also known by the Latin phrases honoris causa ("for the sake of the honour") or ad honorem ("to the honour"). The degree is typically a doctorate or, less commonly, a master's degree, and may be awarded to someone who has no prior connection with the academic institution or no previous postsecondary education. An example of identifying...

Basically the opposite of perfect attendance, highest marks, and higher marks each time you go back.

Spevacus

@Rob Gooootcha, thank you. That makes sense. My response was a misunderstanding of the language.

@Rob I recognized you, though I did not know that several people were review banned/removed recently. I'm trying to be careful with my feedback, and you've just made sure it's better int he future. Cheers :)

Aibobot

01:08

@M.A.R. but do you want to?

@M.A.R. Goes into the ticketing system

Ann Zen

@Aibobot hi

Aibobot

hi

Rob

@Spevacus You seem like a good person, and I wouldn't want you to find out a couple of months from now that you simply have too many incorrect reviews. Those settings (Feedbacks) you are using 'denylist' (if that's the word we are using, in the months / years to come) that person's account and increase the weight on their future posts.

Someone else did send them a comment saying that what they did was inappropriate, if they don't do it again all is good. If it keeps up then they probably will get a kick.

Essentially what they wrote was: 'Oh expletive, "me too", keyboardbash' - so that could be edited to simply be NAA; but that's not worth the effort; so it should simply be DV'd / flagged (on site) and deleted.

So, that's why we try to be gentle with the 'Nuke Button's.

Aibobot

01:24

@M.A.R. I get a reply in a few days, but most of my CM contacts are probably urgent things, and rare

Ann Zen

CM contacts?

Spevacus

@Rob Ah, I've gotcha. Thanks for the more detailed explanation. You're a good person too :)

Aibobot

@AnnZen contact us + a few other things

My main account has mod powers so there's a few additional things we can let CMs know about, people threatening suicide (which mods are not equipped to handle) and such

Ann Zen

Cool. Are you a demi mod?

Aibobot

uhh no

:D

My main account is a mod on MSE and Super User. There's no such thing as a demi mod.

Spevacus

01:36

Little too close to "demi god" for me.

Rob

01:50

@AnnZen @Jou's a Modies

Ann Zen

02:24

@Aibobot Then what do you mean by mod powers?

Aibobot

@AnnZen a mod has mod powers :D

but this account does not, not being a mod

(I use a second account on my work PC, for... reasons...)

Ann Zen

Yes, but you said My main account has mod powers, what did you mean?

Aibobot

@AnnZen I am using a second account at work - under very careful constraints

Ann Zen

So you're second account is a mod?

Aibobot

no, my main account is a mod - I use this account on a work PC since I don't want to use my mod account on a PC I don't fully control

Ann Zen

02:28

oh

May I ask which community do you moderate?

Aibobot

> My main account is a mod on MSE and Super User. There's no such thing as a demi mod.

(Journeyman Geek is my main account)

Ann Zen

SO mod election is here, and I might not be able to vote :(

Aibobot

uh, don't do... that?

Ann Zen

if you're referring to the irregularicy, I didn't

Aibobot

well, doubly so then

Ann Zen

02:43

@Aibobot Okay, doubly don't do what? :)

Aibobot

whatever it is you didn't do.

Ann Zen

Thanks.

Ann Zen

03:04

@MetaAndrewT. hi

Meta Andrew T.

hello

Ann Zen

04:24

Oh, another doggie.

Feeds

04:44

Podcast 253: is Scrum making you a worse engineer?

Ben Popper on July 17, 2020

A great version of agile methodology won’t help if you’re applying it wrong.

Tinkeringbell

05:35

Morning!

Aibobot

._.

Afternooooon

Tinkeringbell

I wish it were, then it's almost weekend!

Aibobot

05:51

lol

I work tommorrow night...

and I had to deal with HR today...

they needed a copy of my ID (which I had to swap for my access pass so I popped down, left and came back to work just so I could photograph my ID), and were asking about gaps in my resume...

uh... I've been working here 2 years :D

Tinkeringbell

Heh.

Tomorrow night work is :(

The gaps in your resume... yeah uh... that's weird :P

But perhaps it's just something they ask anyone they're hiring about, and since they're only really hiring you now...

Aibobot

(I have terrible luck getting jobs the 'normal' way..)

@Tinkeringbell oh, they're all explainable :D

but bleh

Tinkeringbell

I get it, I think.

Catija

I was just reading something recently about how making big deals about employment gaps are problematic because they force people (particularly women) to reveal information that's protected. For example, taking off two years for early childcare means you've just told your employer you have a family.

Tinkeringbell

Isn't that something you want your employer to know, so you can get child-care leave if e.g. one gets sick?!

Aibobot

06:02

@Catija heh

I literally couldn't find work :D

Catija

@Tinkeringbell You want an employer to know, yes... but you don't want a potential employer to know because they may make employment decisions based on it.

Aibobot

I was applying to stuff, trying to use government assistance, which sucked...

Catija

I remember. :(

Aibobot

they also asked if I was retrenched before... (the dneg one I guess)

but that is one of those super :( things

they were a great employer, it was a excellent place to work...

until it wasn't

Tinkeringbell

That's okay though, an employer is buying your services and they want to get the most for their money. If I'm buying something and it only functions when the moon is full, I want to know so I can see if I can buy something for the same money that works on other days as well. Employment is just selling yourself, and lying about your specs is not great because you'll be deceiving your employer :/

Only telling an employer and not a potential employer is too late in the process, you're basically signing contracts on false pretenses then...

Catija

06:12

... Um... it's illegal in the US for employers to ask about family so... Maybe this is just a US thing. But ... no. Employers are not allowed to discriminate against people who have families.

Aibobot

@Tinkeringbell on the other hand - even with good employers, you can't really totally trust them

@Tinkeringbell I told them the truth, dosen't mean I need to be happy they asked :D

Tinkeringbell

@Aibobot Oh, true. But that's no reason for me to hide stuff either...

Catija

In the US, companies used to fire women as soon as they got married so they didn't have to deal with them getting pregnant. Andy's mom had to promise that she wasn't pregnant and wasn't planning to get pregnant in order to get a job.

Aibobot

These gaps are in my resume.

which i provided to every employer.

Tinkeringbell

@Catija Yeah, that used to be a thing here too, shortly after WWII.

Aibobot

06:14

Actually - its the same one I've been using for a half decade, updated to where I am

and at least one of those breaks was cause I was taking care of my dad and mom

(another one was cause, yanno, issues, but that's private)

Tinkeringbell

That said, the whole suspicion and not talking about family thing does sound very American. Heck, I guess 'family' is one of the small talk conversations here, part of almost anyones lines if you ask them 'can you tell me something about yourself', together with where you live and what your hobbies are.

Which is basically... standard introductions being exchanged.

Aibobot

@Tinkeringbell Or asian, or anywhere where corporations have a stronger ability to influence things than people

also uhhh

I've been working for them as a contractor for 2 years :D

so its not a 'new' employee

Catija

Would you get paid better working for them directly? Or have other benefits?

Aibobot

@Catija uhhhh

I actually think the benefits are marginally worse :D

swapping out 14 days of leave for 7 days + flexi leave

but trying to bide my time until I get a better job

there's that other issue with ... uh... "We don't want to know if you have a non compete"

Catija

:/

Meta Andrew T.

06:33

Lunch time...

Tinkeringbell

Enjoy :)

rene

11:08

→ 54 messages moved to Chimney

g3rv4

12:13

@AnnZen didn't get your question :)

Meta Andrew T.

Phew, end of day!

Spevacus

\o/

Ann Zen

@g3rv4 that's okay

g3rv4

@AnnZen I'm around now :)

Spevacus

!!/coffee g3r

SmokeDetector

12:27

@Spevacus No such command 'coffe'.

@Spevacus brews a cup of Latte for @g3r

g3rv4

@SmokeDetector \o/

Ann Zen

hm... which topic do most people choose when contacting the team?

Rubiksmoose

@AnnZen That depends on their reason for contacting the team I would assume?

Ann Zen

yes

Meta Andrew T.

@g3rv4 hiya g3rv4!

g3rv4

12:33

@AnnZen I wouldn't know... I'm a dev and I don't work on the public platform, so I have no idea

@MetaAndrewT. o/

Ann Zen

@g3rv4 that's okay

Meta Andrew T.

@g3rv4 I'm one of your Bonfire Unread users, and it's really useful :)

g3rv4

<3 hehehe, I think it's you and me

Meta Andrew T.

:D

M.A.R.

@AnnZen Mod complaints, methinks

Mod cloze queschen, dirty Godwin laws

g3rv4

12:35

ah, on firefox... it's just me

Ann Zen

@M.A.R. haha

M.A.R.

Other reasons would probably be reporting voting rings, and scrapers

Meta Andrew T.

oh, I loaded it unpacked from Git though, so there are 3 ;p

M.A.R.

@MetaAndrewT. OMG who's the mystery man

Ann Zen

@M.A.R. scraper?

g3rv4

12:37

@MetaAndrewT. nice! the only way to run extensions securely

M.A.R.

@AnnZen They copy SE content and put it on their site with no attribution

Spevacus

@AnnZen Websites that copy content from Stack Exchange sites onto their own site.

Meta Andrew T.

one question though, for unknown reasons, it fails to load on this Meta.Chat domain

Spevacus

They're evil

M.A.R.

Eh, better than YouTube suicide filmers trying to get some views

Meta Andrew T.

12:38

I realized there's CORS since the path is slightly different, but even after adding that, it still doesn't load :/

Spevacus

@M.A.R. T R U E

g3rv4

@MetaAndrewT. ah, you're right... I'll look into it

probably this weekend

Meta Andrew T.

great, and thanks! I'm also curious, but failed to debug it ._.

g3rv4

your message just triggered it for me, which is odd as I saw it not working earlier

Spevacus

It knows, and it's messing with you.

g3rv4

12:41

very much

Rubiksmoose

12:56

@AnnZen Sorry, missed the context of why/who you were asking :)

Ann Zen

13:18

@rene hi

rene

\o

Spevacus

o/

M.A.R.

_o/

Rob

|┐∵ |┘

M.A.R.

▬o▬

Ann Zen

13:27

/..\
-

Rubiksmoose

ᓚᘏᗢ

Rob

ก็็็็็็็็็็็็็ʕ•͡ᴥ•ʔก

Rubiksmoose

@Rob hey! get off my cat!

Rob

13:43

I tried to add invisible spaces in front, to move to the right for a direct shot; but it denied me, so it's a close miss. :) -- I would have shot MAR for his double post but others posted and after waiting a few minutes he didn't go a third time.

Ann Zen

sorry, was testing it, and accidentally pressed enter

Rob

There are others too, unfortunately you have to press [enter] to see what it really looks like; because the preview isn't accurate.

user400654

🚽

Ann Zen

Actually, the preview for me was the same as your message.

Rob

Different rendering on different OSes and browsers; you are fortunate.

Journeyman Geek

13:59

AHH DIACRITICS!

Meta Andrew T.

AHH! CHOO!

DavidPostill

@MetaAndrewT. 😷

Please put this on if you are going to sneeze!

Spevacus

Masks on, folks!

Ann Zen

What happens if an appeal is accepted? Anyone here been in that situation before?

Rob

DIACRITICScriticism

Meta Andrew T.

14:09

@DavidPostill oops, sorry! Though I didn't sneeze, only caught my foot on a pin...

Νеvеrꭑoꭇе

@Rob 𝔶𝔬𝔲 𝔠𝔞𝔫 𝔡𝔬 𝔟𝔢𝔱𝔱𝔢𝔯 𝔱𝔥𝔞𝔫 𝔱𝔥𝔞𝔱.

Rob

Yes, but too much isn't appreciated by a couple of people.

Journeyman Geek

@Νеvеrꭑoꭇе ... you monster.

Νеvеrꭑoꭇе

@JourneymanGeek The fact I moved to other rooms doesn't mean I no longer have the Fraktur button userscript

Meta Andrew T.

But I respect everyone, so I will wear masks when the cache breaks...

Rob

14:19

You'll need this, if that happens:

Jun 10 at 13:57, by Rob

Meta Andrew T.

I have worn out masks now!

Shadow Wizard Wearing Mask

14:36

@MetaAndrewT. for sale?

Journeyman Geek

@ShadowWizardWearingMask if that's your fetish....

Shadow Wizard Wearing Mask

My fetish is that everything is my fetish

endless loop detected

Meta Andrew T.

@ShadowWizardWearingMask for stale!

Shadow Wizard Wearing Mask

I also want @M.A.R's worn out books.

So... I'll wear @Tink's worn out socks, wear @Meta's worn out mask, and read @M.A.R's worn out books. :P

Tinkeringbell

@ShadowWizardWearingMask You're not getting my worn out socks.

also AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

I want automated tests, not people.

Shadow Wizard Wearing Mask

14:42

Lol

M.A.R.

tbh - no one but a CM could really answer this, and considering its never happened before, its something worth getting right, as precident — Journeyman Geek ♦ 8 mins ago

Elects @Journey as the precident of the Tavern

2

Spevacus

Mr. Precident

Rob

@ShadowWizardWearingMask You're in luck, Marcey Rader is worn out.

Journeyman Geek

I did spell that correctly?

user400654

no

M.A.R.

14:50

@JourneymanGeek :) dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/precedent

Rob

Yes, MAR made a pun.

Journeyman Geek

Thank you

user400654

😂

Journeyman Geek

I shall abuse my mod powers forthwith

Spevacus

Abyoose

M.A.R.

14:51

There there. No one gets English spelling right unless they become fluent in 13 other dead or alive languages.

Rob

Jul 7 at 15:44, by Shadow Wizard Wearing Mask

Explaining a pun is a pain.

M.A.R.

Them immigrant words

Meta Andrew T.

I can't slepp

M.A.R.

@Rob Explaining a pain is a pun

@MetaAndrewT. Maybe you should take off the mask before sleep

Rob

^^^ *Thems

M.A.R.

14:53

^ × 5

Journeyman Geek

@M.A.R. NO ONE CARED WHO HE WAS BEFORE HE WORE A MASK...

(Now no one knows)

M.A.R.

I think he's Andrew

Journeyman Geek

sniffs @MetaAndrewT.

OR IS HE?

M.A.R.

And root

Rob

He's Clayton Moore!

Spevacus

14:55

Oooh, a comment lock.

Haven't had one of those for a little while.

M.A.R.

Oooh where

Spevacus

JMG out here putting out the fires before they even start.

@M.A.R. Over here :D

M.A.R.

Regardless of my position on that certain SO election candidate, I feel that question is unfairly loaded.

Sniping like that isn't cool

Spevacus

I think the timing is fair to point out, but I suppose it's also a somewhat fair ask.

What does happen? Well... I would assume the user gets deleted. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Tinkeringbell

@Spevacus Hey, reputation only comes for the first person to ask!

Spevacus

14:58

@Tinkeringbell FGITW >:(

Meta Andrew T.

Uh-oh, I was snuffed

Journeyman Geek

@M.A.R. It is

Rob

@iBugsaysReinstateMonica Given that staff would have to manually process the deletion anyways due to other criteria, nothing but manual intervention could ever happen. ;) — animuson ♦ 25 mins ago

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The Overflow #30: Goodwill hunting

Ryan Donovan on July 17, 2020

July 2020 Welcome to ISSUE #30 of the Overflow! This newsletter is by developers, for developers, written and curated by the Stack Overflow team and Cassidy Williams at Netlify. For your consideration, lessons learned from flunking code screenings, gas in a chips bag, and data getting to the bottom of the women’s tops on Goodwill.com.…

Rob

I thought "the outcome" is always "manual".

Journeyman Geek

15:07

@Rob if you have less than a certain number of votes its automatic

Spevacus

:/ And a suspension is out in the wild as well.

Oh well. None of my business.

DavidPostill

@JourneymanGeek rep not votes?

Journeyman Geek

votes as I recall

Rob

No joke about Manuel has never won?

Journeyman Geek

its a matter of how it affects other users

Tinkeringbell

15:08

@Spevacus Yeah well, that's what happens when the network 404's or when there's obvious bugs too...

This is kinda similar, someone's going to ask at some point anyways.

Spevacus

Mhmm.

Shadow Wizard Wearing Mask

@Rob I can't wear her

@Rob it's good only when we add ch to it.

@MetaAndrewT. slap for sleep?

Meta Andrew T.

It was supposed to be "spell", oh well... slapped

Shadow Wizard Wearing Mask

Enjoy the slap!

Fun fact: @balpha was the first ever to use the word slap in the Tavern...

Aug 23 '10 at 16:33, by balpha

I mean, filtering by content is stupid enough, but filtering by URL just calls for a slap on the head

meh, not even 10 years...

Meta Andrew T.

interesting that it's not related to trout

Shadow Wizard Wearing Mask

15:19

Think trout came only later? Let's see..

heh, you're right...

Aug 9 '10 at 17:39, by Chris S

/me slaps @NickCraver around with a large trout

Meta Andrew T.

too much IRCing ;p

Shadow Wizard Wearing Mask

too much PINging ;q

Rob

@JourneymanGeek I can't find the explanation (I think from Jon E) that there was a button to push (maybe only sometimes) but I remember seeing it, also a promoting in the comments for the CM to tell us the outcome. It's possible that the answer to that question is hidden in the intricacies of these answers: meta.stackexchange.com/a/77560/282094

@ShadowWizardWearingMask It's not impossible:

*"a promoting in" should have been: "a prompting in".

Ann Zen

15:46

Can someone explain this reply? "This issue has now been resolved. Please let us know if you have any questions or continue to have issues. This ticket can be re-opened for the next 30 days." They say it's resolved, nothing else.

user400654

context?

otherwise I can only assume it means what it says

Ann Zen

@user400654 I was promised a detailed explanation right after I hit send.

user400654

a detailed explanation, of what

send to who?

Ann Zen

my case of suspension

user400654

Ah

Ann Zen

15:53

to [email protected]

user400654

did you get a mod message you could reply to?

Ann Zen

yes

Spevacus

Yeah you should try to reply to whatever mod message carried your suspension with it.

Ann Zen

i did

Spevacus

I think that's about all you can do.

Ann Zen

15:54

this is unjust

Spevacus

Lots of people feel that way, but here's not the best place to discuss it.

Ann Zen

yeah, but i can't cast my votes now

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