Tavern on the Meta

Tinkeringbell

15:00

That was hashed out endlessly on MSE already.

@HostileForksaysdonttrustSE Good enough to earn a living.

Journeyman Geek

@AndrasDeak dog loves it. He's almost 15 😁

HostileFork says dont trust SE

Well you're doing better than I am, I'm retired.

Tinkeringbell

People ask me stuff and mostly seem to appreciate the answers too

Journeyman Geek

He has had those for at least 12 of them

Tinkeringbell

@HostileForksaysdonttrustSE I hope retirement still exists by the time I reach a senior citizen age

Andras Deak

15:01

@JourneymanGeek yeah, many do, and eat bread and onions and grapes and raisins and don't usually die. I typically aim for "certainly won't harm" rather than "probably won't kill" when it comes to being responsible for other beings :P

but indeed you're free to do as you see fit, it was just an FYI

Journeyman Geek

@AndrasDeak ya but at this point I would rather let an old dog have his treats 😁

HostileFork says dont trust SE

I used to have patience, and thought this was a noble way to spend time.

2

Q: Qt: update pixmap grid layout with 2d array values

I am undertaking a game using a combination of c++ in visual studios 2010 and Qt 4.7 (both windows). The game is a clone of battleship and is console input based. I have created my gui how I want it to look, and on the Qt side in Qt designer, my gui consists of a grid layout 10x10, using labels...

Sure, I didn't get my teaching certificate or whatever.

But actually, with an EE degree, they just let you teach at community college.

Because, well. Not a lot of people want to.

Kind of an exemption.

Tinkeringbell

They want people over here to be allowed to teach kids aged 4-12 if there's no qualified teacher, because there's a shortage of those :/

Without any degree.

HostileFork says dont trust SE

It's good and it's bad.

I think people should go through some sort of process.

Andras Deak

@JourneymanGeek our dog loves rolled oats. Completely raw, just with a few tablespoons of water. So you might have alternatives that he also loves. We usually make turkey jerky from turkey+oats, maybe some carrots.

Tinkeringbell

15:04

I'm not having kids but just the thought of surrendering them to any rando makes my skin crawl.

HostileFork says dont trust SE

But I also think the process can turn off the good people.

Rob

^^ ✔️

Tinkeringbell

@HostileForksaysdonttrustSE That's true, there's stories of people dropping out of learning to be a teacher because the courses are bad.

Andras Deak

but I digress, I don't want to try and convince you

BlueSoul

@HostileForksaysdonttrustSE I think I may have already said that in the past, it could be worse. Your dreams could start to look like an internally consistent alternate world.

Tinkeringbell

15:05

Same for nurses btw, that sometimes have to do a fulltime job while still an intern, including full job responsibilities.

HostileFork says dont trust SE

Well, I feel like a world class idiot lately because I was in the "StackExchange isn't nice enough" camp and got in fights with Lightness over it

And now, ... um. Yeah. No one is happy now.

Feeds

Blog contributor guidelines

Ryan Donovan on January 27, 2020

We at the Stack Overflow blog want to provide our community, as well as the larger programming community, with interesting articles about what life is like as a coder today. Whether that’s coverage of research on security vulnerabilities in Stack Overflow code examples, insights into what it really takes to be a full-stack engineer, or a look at the never-ending migration from Python 2 to 3, we hope the articles we publish are the ones that coders—hobbyists, beginners, or professionals—want to read. …

Andras Deak

@HostileForksaysdonttrustSE For what it's worth it's not that hard to get in an argument with Lightness :)

3

HostileFork says dont trust SE

Think I can get my chat messages out without a scrape or do I have to scrape?

Tinkeringbell

@HostileForksaysdonttrustSE That's a very broad statement and on some counts I'd say it's true, on others I'd say it's not.

HostileFork says dont trust SE

15:07

16

Q: Adding chat transcripts as an available data dump

Since the chat system has received a bit more love recently (thank you @balpha), it would appear now is the time to make any suggestions regarding additional functionality. Chat is still an important part of the system (albeit it secondary) and has an emphasis that's it public, so should be avai...

discussion feature-request chat data-dump community-data

Tinkeringbell

If people want to argue that answering low quality questions or duplicates is 'nice'... I'd urge them to re-think. If people argue that doing more to prevent those from being asked in the first place is 'nice'.. I'm in ;)

HostileFork says dont trust SE

It really seems there's probably no one there to give me the database

Probably going to have to scrape, but does anyone know what rate they'll throttle?

Tinkeringbell

@HostileForksaysdonttrustSE You'll find out eventually? :P

HostileFork says dont trust SE

:-/

This is not how things work when you trust people, just need to point that out.

Tinkeringbell

Experience can be a good teacher :)

HostileFork says dont trust SE

15:09

Trusting people as far as you can throw them to the extent of their contracts, and then figuring out what their contracts are, is very dystopian sci-fi

Tinkeringbell

@HostileForksaysdonttrustSE are we talking benevolent based trust or integrity based trust or...

Andras Deak

@HostileForksaysdonttrustSE you have a contract? Do you even get paid??

HostileFork says dont trust SE

For anyone who hasn't read Charles Stross, Accelerando, pretty cool, and creative commons. :-)

Accelerando

Accelerando is a 2005 science fiction novel consisting of a series of interconnected short stories written by British author Charles Stross. As well as normal hardback and paperback editions, it was released as a free e-book under the CC BY-NC-ND license. Accelerando won the Locus Award in 2006, and was nominated for several other awards in 2005 and 2006, including the Hugo, Campbell, Clarke, and British Science Fiction Association Awards. == Title == In Italian, accelerando means "speeding up" and is used as a tempo marking in musical notation. In Stross' novel, it refers to the accelerating rate...

A friend of mine wrote a kind of interesting book, after life, it's worth a read too. Oh, but I'm nobody. So he's nobody. Sorry, still having to sync that up.

Tinkeringbell

@HostileForksaysdonttrustSE I mean what's the worst that can happen? Go for it, try it...

HostileFork says dont trust SE

Man, being nobody, it really messes with your self image.

Like you think you matter and then you don't. Sorry, it's hard. Having a hard day, processing it.

Tinkeringbell

15:12

@HostileForksaysdonttrustSE Depends on what you're used to ;)

Also... being a nobody is a lot of work. Just be you, it's easier.

HostileFork says dont trust SE

Well, I'm getting a bit mad that I am not worth the time for anyone in control here to talk to me.

Andras Deak

"Anyone in control here" is not here, as a general rule

HostileFork says dont trust SE

Well that's not how it used to feel.

Tinkeringbell

@HostileForksaysdonttrustSE Don't. Do you Twitter? I saw Aaron asked on Twitter for points to relay. That's your best bet now. Jealousy will get you nowhere.

Andras Deak

won't argue with that

HostileFork says dont trust SE

15:14

Twitter exists because there was spare bandwidth in cell pings

The size of the unused "saved for future use" packets is why Twitter exists

No additional power needed, you're already pinging

Set up a few servers in the towers

Boom, print money

Andras Deak

okay?

HostileFork says dont trust SE

I'm not making that up.

Tinkeringbell

Maybe not but it is sounding incoherent ;)

Andras Deak

this is not where I parked my car

HostileFork says dont trust SE

I'm just telling you why Twitter exists.

Tinkeringbell

15:16

Meh, it exists for the stuff I find it useful for, and some other not so useful stuff :P

HostileFork says dont trust SE

It exists because there was a certain amount of unused space in cell pings.

People who had non-internet connected phones, still ping the towers.

Just put a server in the tower, and, you're the AOL CD of the cell ping universe.

Tinkeringbell

Too technical. Twitter exists so I can laugh at this:

HostileFork says dont trust SE

9 people in China died.

Tinkeringbell

And this

@HostileForksaysdonttrustSE From the coronarvirus?

HostileFork says dont trust SE

Yes, 9 deaths, all elderly, children are not being affected yet.

Tinkeringbell

15:18

It was trending like that for hours. Seems people finally picked up on the spelling error though, this morning it was spelled correctly.

HostileFork says dont trust SE

In the meantime Kobe Bryant died. And his kid, and everyone else in the helicopter.

Laf - Reinstate Monica

@HostileForksaysdonttrustSE Tinkerbell's refering to the bad spelling in the hashtag. Not the virus itself.

Tinkeringbell

106K people tweeting a spelling error is kinda funny.

HostileFork says dont trust SE

The thing is, helicopters are terrible death traps, you can build much more stable aircraft with drone strategies.

Tinkeringbell

@Laf-ReinstateMonica Also how they filed it under hobbies and interests in the second image ;)

HostileFork says dont trust SE

15:19

You can even lose a rotor and it will still be able to land.

So explain to me why people are still flying in helicopters.

Andras Deak

thanks to Big Heli

Laf - Reinstate Monica

@Tinkeringbell I guess it can become a hobby, if you have a twisted mind?

Tinkeringbell

@HostileForksaysdonttrustSE Because flying is apparently still safer than driving ;)

HostileFork says dont trust SE

I lost a friend on a motorcycle, age 25, driving it home from the dealership

Andras Deak

@HostileForksaysdonttrustSE they should be riding spare pings instead

Tinkeringbell

15:20

@Laf-ReinstateMonica I can understand it being an 'interest' though the category of heaping it with hobbies is very poorly chosen.

HostileFork says dont trust SE

You tell me.

Laf - Reinstate Monica

@Tinkeringbell Totally agree with you on this ;)

Tinkeringbell

@HostileForksaysdonttrustSE Driving sucks. I've had to take a lot of classes after hitting an idiot ignoring the rules, and totalling my parents car. I'm finally at the point where I can drive for an hour or two and not end up totally panicked by someone ignoring the rules again.

HostileFork says dont trust SE

Anyway, I don't like getting off topic but I do like occasionally using proof of work and presence to say yes, I am here, and yes, this is important.

Magisch

@Tinkeringbell I'm still apprehensive getting in any car (not driving) after a complete git almost killed me and his other passengers in 2015

Tinkeringbell

15:22

@HostileForksaysdonttrustSE So you're basically finding yourself more important than Aaron?

Mithical

@Tinkeringbell this does NOT help my worrying about starting driving lessons

Tinkeringbell

@Mithical lessons are fine. You'll have someone next to you used to recognizing and dealing with idiots. It's what comes after the lessons.

Mithical

In the meantime... Gaaaackkk I just found out I need to get halfway across the country in the morning.

HostileFork says dont trust SE

5

Q: How does Aaron Swartz's mass download from JSTOR constitute hacking?

I might be a bit late on this but I just got to know the story of Aaron Swartz, a phenomenal guy to say the least. The internet is filled with news posts, blogs, and even documentaries stating that "he hacked JSTOR" and downloaded gigabytes of academic journal content from the service. Can someon...

hacking cfaa

I might be more sophisticated than you think.

Tinkeringbell

@Magisch Those aren't nice too, I've certainly also gotten more picky about who I let drive me to places ;)

@Mithical Can't start now and sleep over there?

Andras Deak

15:25

@Mithical good thing it's a small country ;)

HostileFork says dont trust SE

Good thing I have an updated passport.

Magisch

I wasn't injured, but the guy (a fellow student at the time) drove 25 over speed limit in a wet, rainy autumn day and hit the side railing of the road sideways frontal, totalling the car

Mithical

No, I don't really have anywhere to sleep there. I hopefully have a ride but I have to leave at like 4AM

Magisch

if he had slid a bit further right it wouldn't have been the empty front passenger side being pulverised and crunched up, it would have been me and the 3 others sitting in the back

Tinkeringbell

@Mithical :(

HostileFork says dont trust SE

15:26

Eric Schmidt said, and I agree, "It is an accident of history that the car was invented before the computer."

Tinkeringbell

4AM is way too early.

Mithical

@Magisch eek

HostileFork says dont trust SE

He's a character.

Magisch

fairly certain that enough force to fold solid metal like a piece of aluminum foil wouldn't have done me any good

HostileFork says dont trust SE

In freshman materials science, the prof asked "why do we make airplanes out of aluminum and not steel?"

There's a thinker.

@Tinkeringbell Welcome to Channel 3. You're a programmer. All right, then explain channel3 to me.

A. Ha.

Tinkeringbell

15:30

@HostileForksaysdonttrustSE Channel 3 is where the state sponsored television runs. It's often boring and not as enlightening as Channel 1, which does the news and background interviews/opinion panels/talkshows about everything but gossip/famous people.

HostileFork says dont trust SE

@Tinkeringbell There's a few dimensions to it, but the logo. Look closer. channel3

Tinkeringbell

@HostileForksaysdonttrustSE Not opening youtube at work ;)

HostileFork says dont trust SE

About one minute in.

And why I'm pretty mad at you.

PM 2Ring

Monica's leaving the network: meta.stackexchange.com/a/342950/334566

13

HostileFork says dont trust SE

And nobody was surprised.

Me leaving, is hard.

Tinkeringbell

15:33

@HostileForksaysdonttrustSE There's no need to get mad at me.

HostileFork says dont trust SE

After trying to go to the great unwashed and say: "we've solved it! It's like wikipedia, sort of, but with better versioning"

Last time I trust anyone

Tinkeringbell

I also never said I was a programmer, it's a label you stuck onto me.

HostileFork says dont trust SE

I like the word "coding"

Tinkeringbell

@PM2Ring shrug... that's no surprise, not really.

HostileFork says dont trust SE

Coding is a word that is more broad, about assigning signals and sorts to things.

I might say I am a coder

Tinkeringbell

15:35

@HostileForksaysdonttrustSE Isn't that also slang that doctors use when someone doesn't have a heartbeat anymore?

HostileFork says dont trust SE

86

A: What would be a good non-religious icon to represent that a person has died?

Don't do it. This is not a video game (well, maybe we live in the Matrix, but still...NO). No cross cultural iconography exists, plus it would be in poor taste to use graphics even if a universal picture would be acknowledged as representative of what death is. Do what Wikipedia does: have the...

Oh, I forgot, I'm nobody. Man. This is hard. I'm kind of stressing over it. Becoming nobody hurts, pretty bad.

All those votes?

Meant.. nothing?

Jeezus.

Tinkeringbell

@HostileForksaysdonttrustSE You're only making your own life hard.

PM 2Ring

@Tinkeringbell I'm kind of surprised that she didn't leave earlier, but I suppose it made sense for her to hang around at least until the stuff funded by her GoFundMe was resolved.

Andras Deak

@HostileForksaysdonttrustSE The content is good. You're still nobody.

2

HostileFork says dont trust SE

@AndrasDeak That is both a true and painful truth statement kind of thing.

Journeyman Geek

15:39

@PM2Ring and saying you are leaving is hard

HostileFork says dont trust SE

A lot of people worked hard on this stuff.

Years of people's lives.

Tinkeringbell

@JourneymanGeek Following it up is even harder... Just look at how often a username that says 'inactive' posts ;)

Andras Deak

@HostileForksaysdonttrustSE voluntarily, for gratification

HostileFork says dont trust SE

Fun while it lasted? But couldn't they take the high road, and impress us

Journeyman Geek

@Tinkeringbell yup

HostileFork says dont trust SE

15:40

Like a big magician with a magic hat who gave us everything we ever wanted...

I don't like it being reduced to business and law.

Andras Deak

@HostileForksaysdonttrustSE You were deluding yourself if you thought that anybody other than Jon Skeet mattered.

Journeyman Geek

But I kinda trust Monica when she says that

Tinkeringbell

@HostileForksaysdonttrustSE That's why granted wishes often come with serious side effects.

To warn you not to have too many, or too big, ones.

Andras Deak

Skeet is a brand, but other than him it's always been about content

HostileFork says dont trust SE

Well Joel and Jeff were real people

Tinkeringbell

15:41

@JourneymanGeek Oh, not saying she won't. It was just a general remark.

HostileFork says dont trust SE

I can attest to it

This new guy, can't pronounce his name, never gonna call me

No reality

Journeyman Geek

Prasanth?

Andras Deak

@HostileForksaysdonttrustSE owners, not contributors (even if they answered stuff)

Journeyman Geek

😁

Tinkeringbell

@HostileForksaysdonttrustSE You need to chill a little.

Relations take time to build.

HostileFork says dont trust SE

15:42

I gave him my number, phone ain't ringin'.

Tinkeringbell

And effort from both sides.

Also, he's got his pick from a thousand people if not more, it's not the small old boy's club that started SO anymore.

Andras Deak

@HostileForksaysdonttrustSE heads-up: you're sounding a lot like a crackpot. I don't mind, this is not my room. Just FYI.

HostileFork says dont trust SE

@AndrasDeak Oh. Please explain your high-credentials on reality, I'll listen.

Tinkeringbell

Hang with the people that do appreciate you, it might help you feel a bit better.

Andras Deak

@HostileForksaysdonttrustSE I don't have to. I'm nobody.

HostileFork says dont trust SE

15:44

@Tinkeringbell That's what all the voices say.

Rob

I gave X my number, she didn't call, didn't expect her to either. Turned out a win for me.

HostileFork says dont trust SE

Well, look, I don't know who or what you are, some of you don't even have icons.

Andras Deak

We're all nobodies.

HostileFork says dont trust SE

I'm just a bit annoyed. I used to work for a company called Microsoft, Joel worked there too.

I'm not sure who left first.

Andras Deak

Oh my

HostileFork says dont trust SE

15:45

True story. You doubt me?

Anyway, back in the day, you could talk to Joel he was a blogger.

So he checked his mail and shared his thoughts. I guess that was a while ago.

And as @Tinkeringbell says, maybe I'm delusional wanting it to be like that.

Fine, I'm delusional. :-/

No, it's not an old boy's network anymore. I'm old, and I don't know one Kardashian from another, so, whatever.

But I got in this game because I was into programming, and that's what I like.

Tinkeringbell

@HostileForksaysdonttrustSE Where did I mention the word 'delusional'

I'm not a psychologist, I don't diagnose things like that.

HostileFork says dont trust SE

@Tinkeringbell Well you said times have changed and it's time to adapt to the change, you seem comfortable with the change.

Tinkeringbell

@HostileForksaysdonttrustSE I came in after most of it.

I don't know better.

I can still live with it.

HostileFork says dont trust SE

Well I am a grumpy old man. I will complain until human death comes for me.

Tinkeringbell

Brb gotta catch a bus.

HostileFork says dont trust SE

15:49

Which, well, I'm not an expert. 20 years?

Gimby

@Tinkeringbell That's going to take a big net

HostileFork says dont trust SE

Anyway, I hate to think what's going on is because of money.

That's so... ugh

I never would have thought that of Joel

Journeyman Geek

@Gimby or a deep pit

HostileFork says dont trust SE

Muse - The 2nd Law: Unsustainable

►

BlueSoul

Rob

15:52

50

Q: Who set the 640K limit?

We all know that "640K should be enough for everyone". But who actually set this limit? The quote is often attributed to Bill Gates, but it doesn't seem like a decision for an Operating System vendor to make. And does MS-DOS have some kind of 640K limit? Doesn't it just come from the hardware? B...

ibm-pc memory-layout

BlueSoul

a remain of someone who lost their heart? how appropriate way to describe the current events.

HostileFork says dont trust SE

@Rob Oh that old saw. That's really, really old. Want to see my first comp?

It's my own fault. I said this. I can check every step and see every failure, and every failure is mine.

Accountability. Damn you!

Tinkeringbell

@Gimby Nah, just a rod ;)

HostileFork says dont trust SE

I really didn't care for Muse's Drones. As an album. I mean, the cover is kind of cool. And Mercy has a good hook. But it can't really hold my attention start to finish.

We learn as we go.

Gimby

@JourneymanGeek I like how you think

PM 2Ring

16:00

@HostileForksaysdonttrustSE I had a lot of fun coding on the Osborne. It was the 1st machine I (partly) owned, but I'd been coding for over 10 years by then

BlueSoul

@PM2Ring Guess the time is drawing near. We should start looking for a snake.

PM 2Ring

The 1st machine that I had hands-on experience with was one of these babies: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_System/360_Model_20

Rob

@Tinkeringbell caught the bus using Rene's technique:

Apr 18 '19 at 7:19, by Rob

Journeyman Geek

@Rob that's a train

Rob

Re-read

PM 2Ring

16:05

@BlueSoul I hear that Writing.SE is a ghost town. I guess the community has mostly migrated to the temporary Codidact Writing site.

BlueSoul

@PM2Ring Appropriate. My message was indeed a reference to a certain, "petite" book

@Rob Multi track drifting?

Rob

It's all done with wires

BlueSoul

> Yes, the danger must be growing
For the rowers keep on rowing
And they're certainly not showing
Any signs that they are slowing

Tinkeringbell

@HostileForksaysdonttrustSE Now I wonder how you did that, that's not supposed to be possible if I put my account under protection, I thought

Also... Button pusher? Really? Every action has a reaction, or something like that.

Shadow9

@Tinkeringbell what did he do? What protection?

Andras Deak

16:20

Flag-deleted msg presumably

Tinkeringbell

@Shadow9 Oh found my Twitter and tagged me, apparently. Thought that wasn't possible but I may be wrong

It's the main reason I put the protection on it to begin with... Might as well take it off again then.

@AndrasDeak Bzzzt Wrong! ;)

ArtOfCode

@PM2Ring yup, certainly the core folks have moved

Machavity

@PM2Ring So they're ghost writing now?

Shadow9

@Tinkeringbell oh, your account is protected?? Anyway this doesn't block people from finding you afaik, just from seeing your activity.

Only if you block someone, they can't even find you. e.g. if I search for Tim Post... I won't find him at all, as he is doesn't exist on Twitter.

> Only confirmed followers have access to @Tinkeringbell91's Tweets and complete profile. Click the "Follow" button to send a follow request.

BlueSoul

@Shadow9 an useful feature indeed, one that hides you but only from logged-in users.

Shadow9

16:28

That's what users see ^^

@BlueSoul not just hide, also prevents them from pinging you in any way

Tinkeringbell

@Shadow9 Ah well. Time to get it out of my profile here then, to make that harder to find, I guess

Shadow9

Can't know for sure (since we already follow each other) but likely someone with account can search for you based on name and find you.

(can't search Twitter without account.)

And since the twitter user name can't be changed, you might be out of luck.

HostileFork says dont trust SE

Well, sometimes you have to learn your lessons the hard way. I sure learned.

Rob

Good luck finding me by name, I use it everywhere.

Shadow9

lol

HostileFork says dont trust SE

16:31

Man, that was 30 minutes of... y'know, all that inappropriate content.

Shadow9

@HostileForksaysdonttrustSE what did you learn?

HostileFork says dont trust SE

I learned Tinkeringbell can push buttons but actually I didn't learn that I already knew that.

Shadow9

What did I miss? I see a deleted message above, is it related?

HostileFork says dont trust SE

I was banned from chatting for 30 minutes so I had to like, do other things

Shadow9

ohh

HostileFork says dont trust SE

16:32

All that inappropriate content.

Shadow9

I was chat banned for a week. Or was it a month?? Anyway, I win. :P

HostileFork says dont trust SE

It's a favor in disguise.

It's telling you "hey, stop wasting time"

Shadow9

@Journeyman is there ban history? Can you see if it was week or month? I honestly forgot. :/

HostileFork says dont trust SE

But I hit refresh over and over until it came up so I can say how little that it matters.

Tinkeringbell

@HostileForksaysdonttrustSE I didn't press that button though. You might want to check before you accuse people.

HostileFork says dont trust SE

16:34

Well, I was chat banned for 30 minutes for inappropriate content.

Tinkeringbell

Like I said, I was catching a bus.

Rob

Fought the wrong person

HostileFork says dont trust SE

Yeah I'm not really cut out for the meatspace fight.

Shadow9

@HostileForksaysdonttrustSE happens to the best, don't take it personally. And I mean it, as someone who got a long ban.

HostileFork says dont trust SE

I don't pick those often.

BlueSoul

16:35

Oct 24 '18 at 8:45, by Tinkeringbell

@JohnDvorak Been there, done that XD I had bad days and used Twitter to vent

HostileFork says dont trust SE

Saw Lightness got banned

7 days

Shadow9

Many did

HostileFork says dont trust SE

Anyway, we used to be kind of at odds, but nowadays

Strange bedfellows

Tinkeringbell

@BlueSoul oh well. Only if you already know to find that one ;) I kinda trust you to not rub that in everyone's face.

user400654

🚽

Shadow9

16:36

Thanks, need it ^

Didn't @Rob use to post these though? :D

HostileFork says dont trust SE

I dunno, I still do sort of believe in the human spirit and what not, so I kind of want Joel to say something.

Rob

BlueSoul

@Tinkeringbell to be fair... I just searched for "twitter" said by "parrot"

HostileFork says dont trust SE

Take control.

Rob

Eye avatars?

HostileFork says dont trust SE

16:37

Stranger things have happened, but I know it's not what signs point to.

Tinkeringbell

@BlueSoul Again... I kinda trust people enough. If you have a troll that determined nothing will stop them anyways.

user400654

that fork just above the... err, pupil, looks dangerous

Rob

Mexico

Tinkeringbell

@user400654 It's a pitchfork, I believe.

There's probably a torch running around somewhere too

user400654

like, there's only 3 car lengths for merging

HostileFork says dont trust SE

16:39

tears for fears break it down again HQ

►

user400654

for 3 separate lanes of traffic

Tinkeringbell

And all you need to do to not have them both attack your Castle is convince the pitchfork that the torch is the real threat ;)

Rob

That's the box set we really want

HostileFork says dont trust SE

Highway interchanges. Heart valves. Routers.

user400654

technically 4, but the 4th we can ignore

HostileFork says dont trust SE

16:40

I was just reminded of the guy who built a filesystem in the bounce traffic in IP tables. Using the latent memory queue of routers as storage. Funny.

There should be a law against that.

Rob

Where's Andras when ya need 'em

Shadow9

Mr. Deak? Just a ping away.

HostileFork says dont trust SE

Dan Kaminsky had some humorous remarks when I told him some of my theories. Pretty sure he thought I was an idiot. Fine, whatever.

I'm an idiot. Ok.

Tinkeringbell

@HostileForksaysdonttrustSE Have you ever read 'the idiot brain'?

HostileFork says dont trust SE

I mean, he was amused I was just figuring it out.

Tinkeringbell

16:44

Fun book.

HostileFork says dont trust SE

Security research is a thing and it's not my thing, but lately it's starting to become my thing as because you kind of have to.

djsmiley2k TMW

@HostileForksaysdonttrustSE Didn't someone play battleship via BGP too?

HostileFork says dont trust SE

I like working on what I do and trusting other people to do their part.

I can't do everything.

This Q&A thing seems... honestly, easy.

Show up for work, keep the servers on, version it, not really hard.

I accept that profit might not be so easy.

Tinkeringbell

@HostileForksaysdonttrustSE You're forgetting about people ;)

HostileFork says dont trust SE

Well, universal basic income is being tried and AI is... well, it's here, it just doesn't really want to talk to you usually.

Tinkeringbell

16:48

There's some 170 sites now, all different sorts of people, wanting different things

user400654

mostly $$

HostileFork says dont trust SE

Well, the $$ need out of the equation

I'm unusual for a few reasons, one of those reasons is a lack of interest in money, I want to see working systems.

And, y'know, I used to be a big Wikipedia guy

user400654

i didn't necessarily mean it in the literal sense

more... currency.

reputation for example

HostileFork says dont trust SE

And... then people started trying to sway me, because I could edit locked articles

And I was not a fan of that. I edit how I edit, not because someone bent my ear.

Tinkeringbell

@user400654 not necessarily... There's also a few treasures that care about keeping content good and up to date. And then there's things like chat, where some people like to build friendships and others just like to coordinate efforts...

HostileFork says dont trust SE

16:51

I do not like the way money moves things.

user400654

Why do people participate on a QA stack for so many topics? for example, i find the QA format to be rather... weird when it comes to games,

Mithical

@Tinkeringbell And host burn battles.

Tinkeringbell

@Mithical or mutinies ;)

user400654

i suspect the majority of users who are prolific users were either A enticed to join to earn a name for themselves (aka reputation,) and then decided to stick around to protect that investment. reputation isn't the only way to earn that respect, but it's certainly the one the whole system is designed around.

Tinkeringbell

@user400654 It works though.. "Can I hatch the dinosaur egg in Stardew Valley" "yes"

HostileFork says dont trust SE

16:54

I don't want to diminish the data I have gathered, as it is a lot. And I work here, and there. And here, I guess for a time I felt good about advocating for this website.

But without a voice, getting told I'm banned for 30 minutes for "inappropriate content", it seems things are really far beyond broken.

Broken, broken, broken.

user400654

imo, the majority of games don't have enough.... things to ask about that aren't more easily documented in a wiki.

HostileFork says dont trust SE

I am, a programmer, and I will dig beneath anything to see what I can see.

user400654

your egg example is a rather good one

Tinkeringbell

@user400654 Stardew Valley has a good wiki too ;) I don't think it includes the item generation cheat though.

Making a wiki for something small might be overkill just as much as having a whole qa site for that single game, but having one for all games seems to work

Besides with wikis you need to know before you make, here someone that doesn't know might still get to know

HostileFork says dont trust SE

@Tinkeringbell The future is a long time, and data is gathered.

Meet me. You can read about me if you like. If not, fine. Good day.

Tinkeringbell

16:58

Can you chill about that? I didn't even see the message and I'm on mobile now so not able to properly dig either.

Transcript for