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12:44 AM
@Rubiksmoose learning? Can anyone explain why it's people who are really mad at SE who have to "learn", when they don't? And why are people so eager to fill the power vacuum? :-/
As I said though, the hardest thing for me is having to eat crow and tell everyone who used to say SE sucked when I badgered them into using it that they were right and I was wrong.
I'm having to get used to being an idiot, as well as a nobody, all in the same week! Can you imagine absorbing both of these realizations at once? That's...brutal. Could have at least spaced those out a little bit.
 
1:01 AM
...what
 
@ArtOfCode Has anyone told you recently how no one at StackExchange owes you anything because you're nobody? If not, then maybe you're somebody. If so I could use your help.
 
...nope, still confused
 
Nobody owes me anything... Other than maybe a fiver
 
@HostileForksaysdonttrustSE more seriously - I got on SU cause solving problems is entertaining
It's not my content that has value, it's my skills and knowledge
 
1:07 AM
People hardly ever mention stack underflows. One wonders why.
I was recently looking into formalisms of WebAssembly and you really are playing with fire wihen it comes to the semantics of a stack overflow: stackoverflow.com/questions/58908855/…
And now I'm screwed because I'm having to boycott the best platform for discussing this kind of thing, on account of the being nobody aspect, and I don't work under those conditions.
 
Rob
1:22 AM
On the subject of sharing one's day, here's what Nick's been up to:
 
@HostileForksaysdonttrustSE yes, learning. Your message was flagged because it was obviously insulting and deemed rude by people in this room. Don't do that. That's the learning part.
 
Just quoting what people said back.
 
@HostileForksaysdonttrustSE Also please stop using this chatroom as some sort of venue for a pity party. You're just as much as a somebody or nobody as the rest of us. We're all in the same boat and most of us are upset about similar things as far as I can tell. Which is tough because honestly most of what you are saying just seems to be confusing to people.
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And then I won't have anything to complain about.
 
I have no idea what you're asking me or if you're asking me anything. None of us in here are devs, we can't change anything about the infrastructure of the site.
 
1:34 AM
But that's part of the problem, the only people who could respond and take action are gone.
 
So you instead decide to endlessly complain about things to people who can't change anything and don't even understand what you're complaining about?
 
There's 24 hours in a day, you have to spend them doing something.
If you think you don't care, trust me, the people I hang out with really don't.
I didn't want to spend this year writing a decentralized Q&A and chat platform, and now I have to. Maybe I will run it on TempleOS, just to confuse you more.
 
It's hard to care about something I literally can't comprehend. It's not that I don't want to care, it's that this isn't the place for you to just endlessly shout confusing complaints into the void. Please stop.
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Okay. Go back to... whatever it is you handful of people who are still here do. I'm getting my decade of work out of this system and heading out like all the smart people are already doing.
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1:50 AM
sigh
 
2:17 AM
Morning
Being underestimated is fun
 
Mourning.
 
@Catija :/
More bad news?
 
Nah. Just thought it was silly.
 
ah lol
I just gave my boss a heart attack by explaining an issue we had in 2 sentences :D
(I'm known for being a bit long winded at times, and its supposed to be waaay over L1's heads)
 
So... you're outperforming?
 
2:21 AM
Oh
I have a reputation for knowing things I shouldn't :D
 
:D
 
"Uhm, we're running <<thing>>> - Isn't in EOL in 3 years?"
"Uhm... shhhhhh"
 
@Catija Morning mourning... the night that could have been and wasn't. I swear when people mention getting more than 7 hours, I wish they'd add a trigger warning! :)
 
@curious HAHAHAHAHA You won't hear that from me.
 
@curious sleep? :D
 
2:25 AM
I got... five last night, I think.
Gus has three of four first molars working out right now.
 
6 hours, but mainly cause I was asleep all sunday :D
 
@JourneymanGeek I think some people do that thing called sleep. Can't remember what it feels like :)
 
(but I have no excuse for not enough)
@curious There's a few logistical impediments that need sorting out before I can complain about that :D
 
If I didn't used to sleep for 9-10 regularly, I'd assume it was a myth.
@JourneymanGeek WIP.
 
@Catija yup
:D You'll know right after I do of any useful news :D
 
2:27 AM
I'd better!
 
@Catija we're still doing the molar thing too. They're all poking out but only one is clearly visible. Also starting daycare this week.
At least he's healthy again!
 
Not been up to much after Miss Mars though
Need to re-up the subscription so I can get more phone numbers and get my people to talk to their people
 
@curious We put him to bed without Motrin tonight so... I'm not sure what's gonna happen.
 
@Catija well... you'll find out :P
I'm living on the edge too, skipped the Motrin
 
I'm pretty sure "he'll sleep until 6" won't be the answer.
 
2:35 AM
lol
 
I'm super refreshed if I get 4 hours, like it's ridiculous
 
@curious to some extent quality matters
 
It's better than when he was first born but he has a bovine protein intolerance...Motrin used to be safe but not anymore so I don't know if it's worse to skip it or give it
 
uhm, so no cow's milk?
 
@JourneymanGeek one thing that changes that I've noticed is the speed at which I start dreaming. It's super fast.
 
2:38 AM
The problem I have is that he's still nursing so half the time he ends up in bed around 3 or 4 and I'm just... well... dealing with a squirming, rooting ~25 pound baby for two hours.
 
@JourneymanGeek he's on a special formula of amino acids. Hurray for insurance, it's terribly expensive
 
@curious ah
 
@Catija I deal with the squirmy thing all night, I gave up a long time ago lol
Anyways, the glycerin they use in medicine is sometimes plant based, sometimes bovine/pork based
So we've had some awful moments before we figured that out
 
Oh my! :( We have a co-sleeper that converts into a small crib and that's been great - used it with Bennett, too. But he's been used to having his own surface. Having him in bed was really a solution for exhaustion. He's never slept through the night, so rather than sitting up with him, we just let him join us. Just not that high a quality of sleep.
@curious Ooof... is it brand based or ???
 
> Anyways, the glycerin they use in medicine is sometimes plant based, sometimes bovine/pork based
eep
that would be... troublesome here
 
2:42 AM
That'd be troublesome in lots of the world. :/
I would never think about looking for Kosher medicines!
 
@Catija yep. Right now I think only Tempra (acetaminophen) is plant based
 
I was thinking of Muslims (whose food rules are kosherish - and they're a big minority here) and hindus (no beef, and wildly varying levels of vegitarianism)
 
I actually found the info on a site for Muslims, listing all the pork ingredients in various goods
 
@JourneymanGeek I was gonna say...
 
2:44 AM
@curious they have food certification from 'local' islamic bodies
 
for indian vegitarians, we have an informal system called the "green dot"
 
@JourneymanGeek ah yes I've seen those
@Rob :-O
 
So green dot indicates lactovegan
 
... hey, y'all... you were supposed to appreciate me today: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Community_Manager_Appreciation_Day
 
2:46 AM
@Catija We appreciate you every day :D
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"every 4th Monday of January", that's terrible ux! Who's going to remember that
 
@curious at least its not in another calender system
 
@Catija it's 2nd Monday of October here, different date (and I only remember it because it's a day off)
@JourneymanGeek Balinese calendar ftw?
 
@curious thinking our festivals :D
 
2:50 AM
There's one holiday here that's like... the first Monday after the first Sunday... Labor Day, I think...
 
@Catija "The theme of CMAD 2020 is “self-care”." Sounds appropriate...
 
@Catija basically we have some ... daily? calenders with tear off pages and 3 different systems
 
They even have an ebook on there!
 
I just wish they'd sent the email out telling me about it ... earlier in the day. I just got it about 20 minutes ago. :/
 
(Western, Tamil (and yes there's others) and and islamic (which is lunar))
So essentially about half our public holidays are variable :D
 
Rob
3:00 AM
At least they are beyond N95 now.
 
@Rob looks like biohazard gear. Could be MOPP certified
MOPP (an acronym for "Mission Oriented Protective Posture"; pronounced "mop") is protective gear used by U.S. military personnel in a toxic environment, e.g., during a chemical, biological, radiological, or nuclear (CBRN) strike: Protective mask — Commonly referred to as a gas mask or pro mask. It is designed to filter harmful chemical and biological agents, as well as irradiated particles from the air to allow the wearer to breathe safely. No protective masks filter out gases such as carbon monoxide, and in situations requiring that level of protection, external breathing apparatus is employed...
or the equivilent
 
Rob
That's hospital employees daily wear, see last link here: chat.meta.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/8205248#8205248
 
I doubt it, unless its specifically for epidimology
 
Rob
Is the "South China Morning Post" reputable, or a tabloid? The video certainly looks genuine.
 
@Rob it is
its a pretty established, and well regarded newspaper in hong kong
 
Rob
3:17 AM
To me this looks like the triage desk at a hospital, where you walk in the door and ask to see someone, where they assess random walk-ins (triage) and order them by priority:
Screenshot from video linked above.
 
@Rob though I'd guess they're issues protective clothing cause...
well....
major epidemic going on?
 
Rob
11 mins ago, by Rob
That's hospital employees daily wear, see last link here: https://chat.meta.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/8205248#8205248
 
ANd I'm saying Tyvek suits are not daily wear :D
 
4:13 AM
@Rubiksmoose sigh
 
@Catija If it's medication that you truly need it doesn't matter
 
Oh? Interesting! I know they use pig products in a lot of vaccines...
 
Yeah, health and safety comes first.
 
@Catija Actually I had that conversation about vaccines
since they're made from eggs often
and my dad once had... rabies shots
 
No eggs?
 
4:23 AM
@Catija no, we don't eat eggs
but in the case of vaccines, I think its kinda "eh, we'll pray for the poor things"
 
Ah. I didn't realize. Many vegetarians still eat eggs. :)
 
@Catija depends on your reasons
But for us, depending on how observant you are...
Not eating eggs is the baseline accepted level of vegitatiarian
 
Best strategy for viruses is get them all, and let them fight it out.
 
(we're liberal enough to eat garlic, onions and bottle gourds.... which variously observant levels of bramins may not eat)
 
If you're going to talk about it you might as well see game changers, which, honestly I have a few critiques despite the free ticket: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Game_Changers
Arnold is in it. Jackie Chan chipped in. James Cameron had a few things to say.
The points raised are all quite valid.
 
4:31 AM
ANd less observant ones may drink alcohol (I have my retelling of why we don't somewhere. Told it to a bunch of people on slack) or eat eggs
 
I worked at a vegan raw food place
So the tortillas weren't cooked, they were deyhydrated
 
right down to my co-worker from the north who eats anything
 
But you know something hard to get organic? Wasabi. There's basically no organic wasabi at any price.
 
even beef
 
I don't know why, but, we had to tell people
The wasabi was not organic.
When you market yourself as all organic raw food the details matter.
 
4:36 AM
Actually
you probably cannot get real wasabi outside japan that easily
it grows in very specific conditions and doesn't travel well
most wasabi is coloured horseradish
 
It was only used in a few dishes, but we had to give the disclaimer it didn't meet the raw/organic standards
Zero people cared
But we still had to tell them.
One time we ran out of bananas so the boss sent me to buy some across the street and they didn't have organic ones, and I was like "um" and he goes "well, you don't have to tell them" and I said "yes, yes I do."
And again, zero people cared.
 
Do we?
 
Well there's no real scientific evidence of organic anything being any better than anything else.
Also, the term is laden with complications.
It's like how "Lite" was used to subvert the standards of "Light", true story.
Every time people try to standardize a thing, someone hacks it.
Oh, wait, I am supposed to learn. I'll sit here and listen a bit so I learn.
In that job, I started to appreciate kale. Kale gets a bad rap, but I think when people say they don't like kale what they mean is they don't like stale kale. Fresh kale is quite nice, in a salad.
@Rubiksmoose ^-- all true stories, is this comprehensible? More comprehensible than a rubiks cube with wings? I'm trying to meet you in the middle, this is kind of what you were doing before... you know.
 
4:58 AM
While I'm sure Rubiksmoose can respond for themselves... I'm not quite sure the benefit of pinging them about a random monologue about vegan, raw food.
 
@Catija Well I was accused of being incomprehensible, and I was just going with the "flow"
I was asking if I was comprehensible.
It was what was being discussed.
I'm trying to be more comprehensible.
And if I am not understood, that is really a red flag, because everything I said sounds like English and on the topic.
 
What flow? We were talking about cultural dietary restrictions and you started talking about voluntary fad diets.
 
The idea that the sentence you just spoke means anything is actually scary to me.
 
Speaking of meat, it's hard to see what actually happens to meat when you can just pick it up in packages at a grocery store.
A couple months ago, I visited a streetside meat market in India where you can see the actual slaughtering process that happens to them. It's rather gruesome.
@JourneymanGeek I had cousins visit us here in the U.S. from India two summers ago, and they didn't eat egg. We had to be very careful when buying or cooking food.
 
5:15 AM
@SonictheAnonymousHedgehog that's kinda what I meant by culture and observance :D
actually a lot of families in the deep south just have 2 sets of utencils (since people like me are worried about cross contamination too) veg and non veg, since they have specific veggie days
 
Yeah, my parents do have alternate vegetarian and non-vegetarian days, but we don't have separate sets of utensils.
I do wonder how that meat market doesn't attract hecklers. There wasn't one the day I went. It's in a semi-populated area and right next to a school.
 
could be a enclave where its more accepted
I suspect hindus, and the more fundamentalist ones are kinda more militant about vegitarianism
and in my own case its "personal" rather than "I need to convert the world"
 
And yes, upon marriage, the family is expected to adopt the husband's culture (including meat preference). My mom's family was non-vegetarian, but when my mom's sister married a complete vegetarian, she and their children were expected to go that way too.
 
ah
(In modern matchmaking sites, they just have that down. Simpler I guess)
 
Anyway, I took some film photos of that meat market. I just had that roll developed, and got the negatives back today. I have yet to scan them; I'm wondering if I should, since those gruesome images will be burned into my mind
 
 
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7:12 AM
50 messages moved to Chimney
 
@HostileFork please take note of your tone. The way you're speaking is extremely confrontational and rude. Please stop.
 
13 messages moved to Trashcan
 
@HostileFork Consider the following. we're all humans trying to run this chatroom in a way that makes it not drain the sanity out of people visiting it. There aren't rules you could measure mathematically, really the primary guideline is when someone tells you to stop, stop. You are mature enough to realize what that means and adapt to it.
 
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7:28 AM
morning! :)
 
freebird starts playing
 
Not so much free. Long day of work today, with a meeting this evening too
 
more like time-constrained-bird
 
At least this bird is getting paid ;)
 
indeed
I have about half a year of work on my todo list
right now
 
7:37 AM
I think what I'm building was supposed to be finished yesterday...
Like about everything people work on here ;)
 
eh. My supervisor is pretty good with reasonable workload, everything just shifts further back
we need another one or two devs here sometime soonish
 
We just got a 'new' dev yesterday. Worked for this company and on this codebase before, is now back after a few years at a different company ...
He seems cool.
 
7:51 AM
Any russian speakers here that can translate what it says on the right of this screenshot: meta.stackexchange.com/q/342961/158100 Just curious ...
 
The first one is either rude/abusive or spam flag :P
The others are post flags... at least 2x other ;)
The middle section is, IIRC, the 'pending redaction' flag ;)
The bottom stuff is just boilerplate help section for mods ;)
 
There's 1 pending flag on Meta
 
@Tinkeringbell On that post, currently or overall?
 
@Magisch Might surprise you, but I enjoy the time I have to listen to the great work of artists...and not talk here. I listen to great music and watch the stuff you say is valid, while what I say is invalid 30 minutes a long time to watch the "flow". A long time to think of what genius is, and what pettiness is.
"inappropriate content" I see how easily that button is pushed.
 
can't quite parse what you are saying there
hi @Mari-LouA
 
7:58 AM
@Magisch I could not talk for 30 minutes, so I just listened to Spotify and watched what was said when I could say nothing.
 
@HostileForksaysdonttrustSE If you enjoy not talking here, there's nobody forcing you to speak here.
 
@HostileForksaysdonttrustSE no, I get that. But what exactly is your contention?
 
I don't think I said anything that bad but apparently you guys think I did.
 
@rene That's the entire flag queue
 
You guys aren't that much more interesting.
 
7:59 AM
So multiple posts ;)
 
@Magisch Hi. I am shattered by recent developments on SE. Numb. And the impeachment trial isn't helping my mood at all.
 
I watch what you say when I can't talk
And it's... not that much better.
 
@Mithical Oh, yeah... the middle one is probably meta, not the redaction
 
Kind of about the same if you ask me
 
@Mari-LouA oh yeah, the mood is well in the toilet in the last couple of weeks
 
8:00 AM
@Mari-LouA You live in the US? It's pretty easy to shut that thing out here but...
 
I think the whole statement about us all being in the same boat was the most accurate thing. We're not somebody or nobody. We just are.
 
After yesterday, even worse. @Tinkeringbell I live in Italy, I like to keep abreast of the most important news.
 
And SE isn't going to talk to any of us, apparently.
 
Even if the news is depressing
 
everything is depressing these days
 
8:02 AM
Ah. Yeah that might not help much :/
 
I turn on the news channel, hear about how there's a new super virus, how the climate is about to screw us all hard, how the US is degenerating and how every place going is apparently turning towards authoritarianism.
 
I'm actually a pretty nice guy if you have time to look, but no you don't, so you don't care, so I have to sit around and look at a chat ban for 30 minutes :-/ when I did nothing wrong.
 
And then I turn off the news because I like my sanity and would rather keep it
 
I can't even remember what was on the news yesterday...
This morning I read an article about how tap water does not cause bladder cancer...
Unlike the fake news spread out there ;)
@HostileForksaysdonttrustSE Drop it...
 
A thirteen-year-old child died in a helicopter crash yesterday but all I hear is tributes to Kobe Bryant.... it's all very sad. I'm off. Time to get ready.
 
@Mari-LouA well
 
@Mari-LouA two, actually.
 
@Mari-LouA Worse, people die travelling everyday and all you hear is about when someone famous is involved :/
Drop it.
Well that killed the chat :/
 
poof
 
I had to work on my CV ... that is work.
 
8:15 AM
I'm about to start a standup
 
@rene huh? Looking for new job? But you're already freelance, so.... ?
Do freelancers need CV?
 
yeah, it is needed for a public offer requested by the government.
To qualify you have to show / prove you are going to send competent people to the project.
So I'm brushing off my CV to appear competent
 
@rene don't forget link to Stack Overflow
 
lol
 
:D
You worked with them before?
 
8:27 AM
Not with this customer, no
I hope the good press from other municipalities is going to help here
 
@rene May I ask which government it is?
 
Dutch
But it is under European legislation that they are required to have a public procedure to get offers from the market.
 
Makes sense. I hope you get qualified for the project then :)
 
there's also a bunch of regulations regarding coporate governance with that, no?
 
@Magisch yes
 
8:41 AM
I know the government here got in hot water with a proposed rule to require 40% female leadership to get any government contracts
iirc they never implemented it
 
8:57 AM
@tink can we rename to ?
 
a.) who's 'we' and b.) probably, put it on meta?
 
"we" is Meta as a whole, it didn't seem worth it to write a whole post about it, but sure
 
@Mithical People have gotten pretty upset about stuff being done from chat before, when it came to tags. A post seems a wise way to not give anyone stuff to complain about.
 
@Mithical we are the vocal minority...
the few in chat compared to meta, annd the few in meta compared to any main site, and any main site compared to SO.
 
the even more vocal minority (tm)
 
9:08 AM
@Tinkeringbell agreed
 
@djsmiley2kTMW I would say the vocal minority are the ones that complain when there's no post, but whatever ;)
 
haha, that too.
I'm just reminding that what you experience here, may not match the experience of others.
 
That's true :)
In other news... I chose the best/worst desk at the office today... it's right next to a pot of caramel toffees...
 
reminds me of the excellent game by remedy
 
@Magisch I would die continuously then.
 
9:22 AM
@Tinkeringbell do you know the game "control" by remedy?
 
@Magisch No, but if that picture reminded you of it, I'd fail the game by losing control :P
 
just don't think about the toffee
 
It's in my peripheral vision :/
 
I always remind myself how addictive such candies are, it's enough for me to ignore them.
 
@Tinkeringbell just eat them all then
"they were in my peripheral vision"
 
9:28 AM
@Magisch That's an option. :P
 
and yes, Control looks awesome just like any Remedy game really.
 
One that will likely be achieved before the end of the day :P
with a little help from my friends
 
@Tinkeringbell random desk each day?
 
IT. NEVER... OOOH....
 
9:34 AM
@AndrasDeak Yes and no... :P
 
Ah, clear as always :P
 
@Gimby contrary to alan wake or quantum break it also plays awesome
 
Same general areas, but sometimes a different desk in that area, sometimes the same... today, the candy is new, not the desk :P
 
@Magisch I didn't mind how Alan Wake played. Its a bit annoying to have to flashlight enemies to death but otherwise it was smooth sailing.
 
..... is the info in the flag real or a joke?
 
9:35 AM
those toffee pots should be secured better then
@BlueSoul flag?
 
A raised chat flag. And if the flag is valid then the message doesn't just deserve deletion.
 
@BlueSoul Does it matter? It's gone ;)
 
the needful has been done :D
 
Ah, "info in the flag" as in "info in a message that got rude flagged"?
 
9:37 AM
@Tinkeringbell It does. If someone thinks it is funny to disclose PI, then they deserve a nice added suspension too, IMHO
 
since you're only blue in name
@BlueSoul for what it's worth he means well
others should probably know better, ahem
 
It is always the others to blame ...
 
well they're the worst, as a rule
 
true
 
Knowing better is always the worse excuse :D
 
9:41 AM
*waters rene*
 
At least go for the classic
 
/me wibbles
 
"IT WEREN'T ME THAT DUN IT GUVNOR! I SWEAR ON ME OWN GRAVE!"
 
if that was a joke, it was not funny. If it was in good faith, thinking the user wouldn't mind it is imprudent and should be removed with some advice to avoid that in the future. If it was made to annoy the user, then a goodbye is deserved imho. But... your decision.
 
should knowing better is not an excuse, it's an aggravating circumstance
@BlueSoul people can do dumb things even if they don't mean anything ill. How you punish this is a matter of policy (which in case of mods also includes taste and mood)
 
9:44 AM
@AndrasDeak You just peed on him, didn't you?
 
The first mistake was starting to talk about PII-related things in the first place. The second mistake was posting whatever got flagged. The third mistake was red flagging rather than custom
 
the avoidance of the 5th mistake will be that we stop talking about it now :)
 
well it's gone so there's no Streisand effect :P
 
@AndrasDeak just a question - I suppose that the third mistake is because custom flag are not shown to everyone?
 
@BlueSoul indeed
 
9:46 AM
K, taken notice in case I need that knowledge in the future
 
only mods see all kinds of custom flags
 
good to know.
 
red flags are a good way to disseminate information to all 10k+ users
 
yep, I kinda guessed that.
 
at least chat.MSE is 0.015% of the 0.015% ;)
 
9:47 AM
Less
 
eh
People make mistakes
I think most of the chatrooms probably have lss than a dozen really regular talkers
 
that said, back to listening to Versailes I go.
 

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