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12:02 PM
talking of jobs getting more complicated...
my boss is using me as the 'senior not senior' guy, which is fine by me - gets me off some of the more mundane tasks, but there's no pressure to get stuff done by specific dates etc.
however, I'm already starting to do stuff, that's an entirely different job role.... heh
 
@djsmiley2k-CoW hear and post review on the mp3 files instead of sorting them? ;)
 
:D
I'm working, honest! look at all the flowing text!
 
> We share the same biology
Regardless of ideology
Written 35 years ago, still super relevant these days ^
This made me realize, we're now at "cold war" state, between SE and many of its users.
 
12:18 PM
I think the bust in the unicorn company investment bubble precipitated by stories like wework and uber will ripple onto SE also
 
??
WeWork crisis is result of the founder outright lying to investors, from what I gathered.
"Sure, we have X billion income!", while it was actually Y, and Y is much less than X.
 
angel investing in general is in a massive bubble right now
I predict it won't last
 
I didn't like uber and its concept from the first place. Ordinary people should NOT become taxi drivers without proper training. It's just wrong.
It invites trouble.
 
@ShadowThePrincessWizard well also that the informal economy is inherently exploitative
 
@JourneymanGeek you mean like airbnb?
people renting or buying out apartments driving occupancy lower and prices higher just to rent them as unregulated hotels in zones not districted for hotels?
 
12:27 PM
Well that in a slightly different way
Yup
 
@JourneymanGeek how so? The price is pre-set, from what I know. No?
 
it's a scourge here and they're discussing a flat out state wide ban
 
JAD
@ShadowThePrincessWizard the entire concept of companies shifting from having employees to "employing" self-employed contractors to cut costs is a blight.
 
uber is the same thing
 
12:28 PM
@JAD sure, but that's not the case of SE, as they won't pay the "council". Or will they??
 
lyft, uber eats, door dash all of that is predicated on the business model of avoiding regulations, laws and minimum wages that other companies have to follow.
 
JAD
@ShadowThePrincessWizard I didn't realise I implied that
 
it'll come crashing down once regulators catch up
 
@Magisch uber was never approved in Israel, and I'm really glad about it.
 
@ShadowThePrincessWizard wework was a trainwreck and a half
 
JAD
12:28 PM
@Magisch not just that, also social contributions like pension and social security
 
Erf. Gimme a moment to get on aibobot
 
@JAD self-employed contractor, sounds like people who get money for whatever they do. ;)
 
@JAD yeah. Amazon is in massive trouble here right now. Some time next year I predict they'll make all this "self employed driver" nonsense illegal
 
So... uber eats became grab eats here as grab bought over uber
 
JAD
@ShadowThePrincessWizard maybe too many "employed"s in one sentence
 
12:30 PM
they'll also likely face additional regulations in warehouses and, probably an union.
 
there's a massive informal economy of delivery drivers on those little electrical scooty things
So... there were a few accidents and they got banned on footpaths
 
meh, soon delivery will be done with drones, world wide.
 
which makes the entire venture entirely impractical
 
JAD
which will be the end of all trouble
 
12:31 PM
@Aibobot No it's the service (uber eats & door dash) selling the food directly via copy-pasting the restaurants menu and adding ~25% to the prices, and then as a matter of fulfillment they drive to the restaurant, pick up the meal, and deliver it
 
but the delivery folks suffer, not the compaies that run the service
 
Rob
Nothing like Missile Delivery.
 
Not to mention that company that was offsetting the delivery share with... tips
 
@motosubatsu why? It was and still is a good concept. No?
 
@ShadowThePrincessWizard drones have their place.. but simply wouldn't scale to the full solution
 
JAD
12:32 PM
I don't know wework
 
so if they needed to pay someone 3 dollars, and you wanted to tip em a dollar...
that dollar went into company pockets
 
@JAD company that rents open-space for companies and private people alike.
All included.
 
they "guaranteed" a minimum of like 7$ per delivery but all tips went into that until it was fully paid off
 
@JAD oh man. Wework's story is a beautiful trainwreck
 
wework is an office space leasing real estate company for pretentious people posing as a techcompany to get a higher valuation
 
12:33 PM
@ShadowThePrincessWizard the concept was ok.. the company was a trainwreck
 
it'll crater and go bankrupt in the next housing crisis
 
@motosubatsu Ninjaed.
@Magisch naw, it'll transform into a more traditional one
 
@Aibobot well played sir :D
 
@motosubatsu oh. True, lack of proper management.
 
/me wibbles
 
12:35 PM
I was going to use a term that was used to describe informal labourers...
 
Fortune magazine called with wework back in 2015ish
 
JAD
So next year our government is going to introduce a minimum wage for the self-employed. Pretty much a minimal hourly wage. They say that since self-employed miss out on the social benefits the employer normally pays for, that should be off-set by a higher minimum wage
 
@Rob (one of you lol) I need your advise about espresso coffee, when you have a moment? :)
 
Rob
Give me a double.
 
So... back in colonial times, the workforce in many places was daily rated/
 
12:36 PM
@Aibobot You sure of that? I watched a few Youtube videos of people trying to work for those companies and they did not mention tips being taken away
 
Folks basically queued up for work
 
@Aibobot you looked at the numbers?
 
I'm not sure how they could know if I pocketed a tip
 
they got paid by the day, but there were many many employers who were inscrupulous
 
they have so many expensive long term leases that a slow in demand would bankrupt them immediately
 
12:36 PM
essentially the gig economy kinda just makes it more... techie and acceptable
 
@Rob the fuel of the universe, the nectar of the gods, il caffe e vita
 
JAD
the ultimate freedom
be your own boss
 
But are you?
 
JAD
of course not
but it's how it feels is what matters
 
The industrial/pre tech age system of employment was designed to protect workers
 
JAD
12:39 PM
in this current age, that's a silly notion. We should be protecting companies /s
 
Rob
@ShadowThePrincessWizard If it takes that long to brew the question it will be cold by the time I get back. As for favorite @motosubatsu I like Hawaiian.
 
@Rob lol you didn't ping! Well, what you think of espresso capsules which are not Nespresso, to be used in Nespresso machine? E.g. this brand?
It's way cheaper.
 
@Rob don't think I've ever tried any Hawaiian
 
As an Italian, I'm skeptical of any coffee-making system that doesn't let me use my favourite brand of coffee and pre-packages them. It feels like they're trying to go the ink cartridges route.
 
@Aibobot this talk feels a bit like our generation's "young people these days"
I feel old and un-hip for working a stable, in office job with regular hours and no overtime
 
12:45 PM
@Emanuele-reinsMonica-Ciriachi nah, capsules are cheaper than espresso in any other place. And espresso machines are not cheap.
 
I could never deal with the uncertainty of working gigs, I need my regular work times, regular vacation and predictability
 
@Magisch that should be how it is though
 
@ShadowThePrincessWizard True that. But I'm fine spending more for a good machine as I value performance and flexibility.
For the same reason I'll always use (and assemble) my own PC even if Stadia was good.
 
@Aibobot should it? the world is evolving fast without us
 
@Magisch that is to stay a reasonably regular job, with sufficient income to live comfortably should be a norm, not a previlege
 
12:47 PM
I talked with my younger cousin the other day. The amount of changes in social norms since I went to school is truly staggering
 
@Emanuele-reinsMonica-Ciriachi Nespresso is of good quality.
 
@Magisch Well - not all change is positive
 
no, obviously not
social media for instance was a huge mistake that will take generations to remedy
 
I@ShadowThePrincessWizard Meh... I never quite liked it. Perhaps I'm too much used to my brand.
 
In a gig economy, you are a completely replacable product
 
12:48 PM
Felt like they blew too much of their budget hiring George Clooney, and didn't left enough for their engineers.
 
@Aibobot world is moving towards that every day though
 
@Magisch and the people who actually work don't benefit from it
 
I have friends who work on zero hour independant contracts. It's like an office job, except you have to pay both parts of your health insurance, are paid by the hour, not guaranteed to get work, and earn less and have no firing protections
 
Amusingly - this is the future Marx talked about ;)
and never saw
 
@Aibobot sure, read recently about a dark side of South Korea becoming a "super hi-tech" nation. It became almost a norm there to spy on people in private situations and publish it on websites. And they just recently started to really fight it.
 
12:49 PM
But there is no glorious revolution of the people coming
 
traditionally, these jobs pay double or triple then a normal office job to offset the lack of benefits or security
 
@Emanuele-reinsMonica-Ciriachi which brand is that?
 
@ShadowThePrincessWizard I try not to use 'the cloud'. I run my own things where possible other than google. Built my own router (and my APs are not cloud connected, and I did some basic auditing of what they talked to)
I don't trust tech
I love tech, but not the vision of it being under corporate control
 
@Aibobot no cloud. Using hidden camera/phone.
 
@ShadowThePrincessWizard that's as old as cameras
 
12:51 PM
But with phones it's easier.
 
Only you can buy a usable one for that sorta thing for 20 quid
 
Mostly Lavazza Gold - or if I want to splash out, Illi
 
yup
 
(ironically it's not "Italian" coffee - it's grown elsewhere, and only roasted and packaged in Italy)
 
@Emanuele-reinsMonica-Ciriachi interesting, we have those in gas stations. :)
 
JAD
12:52 PM
@Magisch For people that are worth that of course. But it also create a group of people that are lured in by those higher salaries, don't realise the added risk, and accept less than they should (maybe 1.5x instead of 2-3x).
 
I don't think you can grow good coffee in europe. Weather isn't right
 
I'm so easily influenced.. this whole conversation made me go brew a cup
 
JAD
@Aibobot Europe found a solution on that somewhere between 1500 and 1950
 
@Aibobot very true.. the Italians darn sure know how to roast it though
 
@motosubatsu I'm kinda partial to the indian style of it
drip brewed, so not as fine a grind
So its my cultural pride to disagree, even if we have the disgusting habit in places of cutting coffee with chicory
 
12:54 PM
@Aibobot I've tried Indian style before - never really took to it to be honest
 
!!!!
the little cups? With milk?
CLEARLY THEY DID IT WRONG.
 
Not to mention prepare it. The last time I went to Nero, they made me a caffellatte so hot, the milk had lost all the sweetness, and they used skimmed (!!!) milk.
 
actually deverah thumbler ;p
 
The last time I went to Nero was a long time ago.
 
properass. But my folks are considered coffee snobs
 
12:56 PM
@Aibobot (looks in shame at his current brew which includes chicory)
 
@motosubatsu It makes it thicker, and adds bitterness
 
@Aibobot entirely possible it wasn't a good example!
 
Sadly we haven't roasted our own in ages but the family recipie is a mix of peabody and flat beans
 
@motosubatsu rofl
 
@Aibobot yeah, I'm currently on some no-name brand that's a so-called "Winter Blend", has chicory and figs in it
 
12:57 PM
though we tend to get the stuff from mom's home town (Narasu's coffee) or the stuff from a place called Wayanadu
 
@Aibobot ironically, In my family and wider social circle, I'm the only software developer or even IT person
 
....
 
and I'm by far the most paranoid
 
figs?
In coffee?
 
12:58 PM
I have my own NAS at home and rely on as little cloud as possible
 
suspects @motosubatsu of being a barbarian
 
@Aibobot I know.. sounds wrong doesn't it? It actually kind of works though
 
@Magisch I have a dedi for my own stuff
everything else runs at home
 
@Aibobot that was actually quite normal in the Netherlands as well several decades ago.
 
then again I'm unhip anyways cause I don't use my phone too much
 
12:59 PM
I even have a little script that forwards and unforwards a port on my router so I can grab files over HTTP ;p
@Bart ._.
 
and have an old cheap smartphone from 4 years ago that I only use as a calculator, alarm clock, actual phone and occasional internet browser
I don't do fancy apps and all that
 
@Magisch eh, I use web and SSH from my phone
and a client for my web RSS client
oh
and 3 different chat clients other than SE chat
(Slack, Riot (for matrix) and whatapp)
 
@JAD this here primarily leads to companies using that pay model as mandatory for their employees, and paying market rate or below that salaried employees would get for it
 
@Aibobot for the longest time a burnt sugar product was added to coffee as well to make it taste stronger while saving on beans.
 
Rob
1:01 PM
@ShadowThePrincessWizard Buy a small quantity and see if you like it. Apparently Nespresso is better than Kuerig google.com/… but! javapresse.com/blogs/espresso/is-nespresso-real-espresso
 
@Bart we used to add a SPOON of sugar for like
3 kg of beans
Oh
OH
THEY ADD MARGARINE HERE
MARGARINE TO COFFEE
 
@Aibobot please it's not like I'm drinking instant or anything :D
 
@motosubatsu ewww
 
@Aibobot that is a crime against humanity
 
1:03 PM
We used to have a colleague here who insisted on drinking instant coffee. The reason: the free Nespresso coffee offered here was noisy to prepare ...
 
@ShadowThePrincessWizard now it's one of the supermarket own brands here
 
Ipoh white coffee is a popular coffee drink which originated in Old Town Ipoh, Perak, Malaysia, resulting in Ipoh being named one of the top three coffee towns by Lonely Planet. The coffee beans are roasted with palm oil margarine, and the resulting coffee is served with condensed milk. == Origins == The term ‘white coffee’ originates from the literal translation of its Chinese name, which was introduced in the 19th century by Chinese migrants who came to work in the local tin mines. The coffee beans themselves are not actually white; the colour comes from the milk stirred into the end product...
.....
> Malaysian style ‘black’ coffee roast (Kopi-O) is produced by roasting the beans with sugar, margarine and wheat
Might as well add charcoal
 
JAD
@Magisch it's a matter of supply and demand. The lure of higher wages creates a lot of supply. Companies demand less strings attached and more exploitable individuals
they meet in the middle
 
@ShadowThePrincessWizard this is the stuff
 
Rob
@motosubatsu U$30-40 a pound, shipped within the US (not cheap): lehuulafarms.com/store.html mauicoffeeroasters.com/item/makapueo-farms
 
1:10 PM
@JAD I think the only defense to that is building a skillset that is not easy to learn or replace, and ensuring that companies don't become too few and too big to be able to have "no poaching agreements" like the one big techs had.
 
Rob
Margarine coffee, gee, lard or hamburger grease would be cheaper.
 
@Rob Palm oil grows on trees here
with a little processing
its rediculously cheap
 
@Rob just had a look and found a site I can get them in the UK.. it's eye-wateringly expensive
 
Rob
Even better to leave it out of my coffee.
 
that's kinda the whole point of this rant
 
Rob
1:13 PM
It's cheaper than Shadow's favorite coffee, that he's dying for us to mention.
 
or wheat
wheat. In coffee. In peacetime?
 
to get into the coffee wars, i prefer spanish torrefacted coffee over others
 
@Rob yes already tried Elite in the past, it's fine.
@Aibobot yummy!
 
it has more flavour, more antioxidants ( if somebody cares about the cookie points of a coffee ), and is longer preserved naturally without needing conservants
 
Rob
If you like it and don't pay for the name then buy it - would void warranty in Nespresso machine.
 
1:14 PM
@ShadowThePrincessWizard Clearly sir, Your Tastebuds have commited seppaku in shame
 
@motosubatsu nice! ;)
 
and cheap af.
 
@Rob yep.. a 50g "taster size" bag of the lehuula farms stuff would cost me a little over $15
 
They have decided you are unworthy of their service, and rather than wandering masterless, have decided to taste sweet oblivon
 
@CptEric yeah I was initially dubious of it given the price point - i just needed some in a hurry for work and I've been very pleased with it to be honest, strong, rich flavours but not too bitter
 
Rob
1:16 PM
The addresses I gave are directly from the farm. Those prices are left nut.
 
@motosubatsu looks good! And fairly cheap.... do they ship to Israel? ;)
@Aibobot :P
 
40 minutes of helldesk to go
 
@ShadowThePrincessWizard not that I know of - they're a UK supermarket, they do delivery but it's a grocery-delivery-from-your-local store type of thing rather than a true online shop
 
I'm not a coffee purist but we accidentally got some peaberry beans and it was really good stuff.
 
@motosubatsu :(
 
1:21 PM
Well I might be a coffee purist because I can't drink coffee anywhere else than at home :P
 
@ShadowThePrincessWizard maybe you get can a very expensive glovoo trip
 
@curious but it means you have a coffee machine... nice!
@CptEric hehe, sure! :P
 
@Rob looking at the farm site they do mention doing international deliveries
hmmm... that could be promising!
 
@ShadowThePrincessWizard yes, Those with the grinder included
 
@ShadowThePrincessWizard I'd be happy to ship you a bag but I think delivery would be about five times the price of the coffee!
 
1:24 PM
I kept telling my bf we didn't need one (I didn't drink coffee then lol). Then we had kids x) must.have.coffee.
 
@motosubatsu yeah delivery service like parcel2go takes about £20
@curious my wife didn't like coffee before knowing me. Now she does. ;)
 
@curious My mom didn't really drink coffee till the time my dad went to kenya... and kinda came back with 10 kg of the stuff....
 
Rob
1:45 PM
@motosubatsu Go to a reputable coffee shop and buy a cup of Kona, see if you like it. If you order 5 pounds they pay shipping, not sure if that's for international (probably not), also when it arrives you have to pay Duty (which could be a lot, but since they don't grow coffee in the UK? it shouldn't be too much).
 
@Rob yeah the free shipping is only on US orders, I'll send them a mail - if the shipping direct from them works out cheaper than the UK source I found for it then it would make sense to get it from them
 
Bit of a favour, and maybe some free SFF rep
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Q: Do Mandalorians truly never remove their helmets?

JakeGouldIn episode 3 of The Mandalorian, it is said that Mandalorians never remove their helmets for any reason. Really? Not even to sleep or bathe? Is there any canonical source for this idea? I’m going to assume that the “never” implies “Never removes their helmets in public…” but… So what is the de...

Can someone please edit in quotation marks and a question mark on my answer there? I'm having trouble doing it on my phone, and a suggested edit on my own question is... wrong
I'll approve ;p
 
@Aibobot I need to look into getting Disney +. I want to see baby yoda too. Perhaps for Christmas?
 
@Tinkeringbell Its US only
and one or two other places
Its awesome if you're a star wars fan
 
@Aibobot The Netherlands were used for testing it out ;) Pretty sure I can still get a subscription... but yeah, need to look into what's on there laready.
 
1:54 PM
That's the only show that interests me
 
as my coworkers told me... "hoist the colours".
 
@CptEric Ehhh...
Too much work? :P
@Aibobot done :)
 
JAD
reviewed it
 
@CptEric We don't typically talk piracy here
 
just gotta find the best streams to sail on
 
Rob
1:56 PM
@motosubatsu Yes, but check import Duty.
 
Approved before I got to it :D
 
Weeee, I now have SFF rep :P
 
JAD
@Aibobot Pirates of the Caribbean is Disney right?
 
YES
 
JAD
;)
 
1:57 PM
they removed it from netflix
i am so angry
wanted to rewatch them all
 
^ That's another reason for me to perhaps just get a month or so of subscribtion... watch those, some starwars...
 
@Tinkeringbell why have both quotation marks and quote formatting? Isn't it redundant? /cc @Journeyman
 
@ShadowThePrincessWizard looks right that way
tried it without it
 
@ShadowThePrincessWizard Don't ask me, if he likes it that way, why not?
 
Also in this case its quoted speech
 
1:58 PM
@Aibobot 10kg!
 
also, spoilers?
 
Rob
Without both someone.might cry plagiarism, I've seen it.
 
@Tinkeringbell Me programmer. Redundancy me not like. ;)
 
@curious coffee shouldn't be stored too long ;p
@Rob maybe but I needed all those quotes for the answer
especially cause the context was important
And I think I love that show almost as much as B5
 
@Aibobot did you waste it or were you all on edge for a month? Lol
 
JAD
2:00 PM
@ShadowThePrincessWizard If you're quoting a script containing spoken text, it's not that out of place tbh
 
@curious EVERYONE drank coffee
twice a day
so... 3 weeks?
Not ideal but ehhh
 
Rob
Twice, that's almost zero.
 
@JAD yeah, well, that does make some sense. :)
 
Rob
Try twice an hour.
 
@Rob sadly after my 20s...
I'm really caffeine sensitive
 
Rob
2:01 PM
Get it inta ya!
 
also indian coffee done right is pretty strong apparently
 
@Aibobot and spicy?
 
... no?
 
Rob
It's all that margarine and wheat. 🤮
 
Yea, maybe because I'm always having espressos but tea would put me more on edge than coffee
 
For me tea is when I'm sick, or out of milk/coffee.
 
Soda does that
I tend to slam down a coke on night shifts like today
 
tea is for reading on a couch under a blanket
coffee is for building legos.
 
then stay wired up until I get home and crash
 
2:04 PM
@Aibobot you mean whole 1.5L bottle??
 
500 ml lol
 
Actually tried the 1.5l stuff but the one they have here is the low sugar blend
 
Prefer the 330cc can
 
and most artificial sweeteners taste... wierd to me
 
2:05 PM
Zero, yeah.
 
no
its classic but they replace some of the sugar with something else
 
They have other low sugar type?
 
Rob
Skeevia is the worst.
 
@Aibobot hmm... that leaf?
 
there's stevia (chemical tasting), light, zero...
 
2:06 PM
What Rob said, lol
 
sucralose blend
 
JAD
@ShadowThePrincessWizard well, there's Light
 
Cherry coke! lol
 
I didn't mind vanilla
 
Rob
Stevia: Made from Steve's uric acid.
 
2:08 PM
Well there was also this:
Coca-Cola BlāK was a coffee-flavored soft drink introduced by Coca-Cola in 2006 and discontinued in 2008. The mid-calorie drink was introduced first in France and subsequently in other markets, including Czech Republic, Slovakia, Lithuania. Coca-Cola BlāK launched in the United States on April 3, 2006. Coca-Cola BlāK launched in Canada on August 29, 2006 in Toronto, Ontario at Dundas Square. In August 2007, trade magazine Beverage Digest noted that Coca-Cola would discontinue the drink within the United States.The French and Canadian versions of Coca-Cola BlāK were sweetened with sugar. The U...
@Rob who is Steve?
 
Rob
Does it matter?
 
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Q: Who is the other Steve?

Shadow The Princess WizardI happened to notice an unfamiliar domain in the source code, used to monitor Jobs traffic or something like that. Being a curious person, and a web programmer, I browsed to the plain domain: https://clc.stackoverflow.com/ This resulted in a cryptic message: Hi. I'm Steve. But not that Stev...

 
@ShadowThePrincessWizard had it, not bad
Now what I miss is...
planet cola
there was ONE vending machine that had it in a park
then suddenly didn't
then one day I find it in a military rifle range... lol
 
They discontinue quite fast any failed product, yeah.
 
I was like DUUUUUDE
Oh also, proper irn bru
 
2:11 PM
@Aibobot the vending machine?? lol
 
not the new low sugar stuff
@ShadowThePrincessWizard the drink
 
Rob
The Steve part is of lessor importance, mearly the source of uric acid. - You wouldn't prefer that they call it Shadowia?
 
My current softdrink of choice is....
 
@Rob my acid is magical
 
2:12 PM
Cumin soda ;p
 
@Rob good catch.. that could be a sting in the tail
 
@Rob oh, this stuff is actually pretty good
 
Rob
Like Nimbus Soda, not just cumin.
 
2:27 PM
> A popular flavor in Mumbai and the state of Gujarat is jal jeera, a spice mix with roasted cumin that's otherwise used for another traditional summer drink of the same name — jal jeera literally translates to cumin water.
That's the stuff
 
2:47 PM
is that on my end or has gofundme taken down monica's campaign?
 
@Magisch still up for me
 
ah it's only the german link via google that doesn't work
 
> $22,479 raised of $30,000 goal
 
Probably should get a boost shortly I suspect
 
Rob
That pays for ~60 hours.
 
2:51 PM
@Rob lawyers are crazy expensive
 
Oh man
@motosubatsu they can be
 
Rob
Mine is way more that the above quoted, that's the average.
 
(and erf. I haz a story I can't tell cause it involves ongoing litigation)
tbh, I should just write it as a novel under a psudonym ;p
 
@Rob you're paying 350$ per hour for your lawyer?
 

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