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1:40 AM
@SonictheReinstateMonica-hog posting a comment keeps @ShadowThePrincessWizard happy :D
And yeah, I do check to see if these posts are floating around when I can
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2:47 AM
If I had previously posted a bug report (currently ) and I now see that the bug is broader than I first described, what should I do? Should I edit the original (which would significantly change the question and its tags) or post a new one and vote to close the first one as a duplicate of the second? Or something else?
@Alex I'd go with editing
Even if it's from a while ago?
3:08 AM
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5:19 AM
@Alex what is it?
6:08 AM
@Stormblessed Mind doing those in CHQ or somewhere... other than here please?
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6:56 AM
that's vaguely unexpected
7:26 AM
@202324 hm also unexpected.
7:47 AM
@JourneymanGeek u a fan? :D
she's a genius eh?
@202324 I was expecting actual spam, a rickroll or the Monty Python spam sketch
I'm going to watch that sketch for the first time right now...
... I don't think I got it.
8:03 AM
@Aibobot hmm?
@202324 wut
You have much to learn about python.
@ShadowThePrincessWizard for deletions
@SonictheReinstateMonica-hog oh, good to hear. Maybe I remember something from the past, and it became better over time.
@JourneymanGeek heh, well, comments keep the OP less angry...
@ShadowThePrincessWizard before we delete
@JourneymanGeek I neglect pythonic Python on purpose.
8:56 AM
@Mast to mark that as "correct report" you can reply "k"
@ShadowThePrincessWizard Thank you.
@Mast There's a userscript that automatically grays out a report that refers to a deleted post. It's called AIM.
Feel free to use it
@JohnDvorak I'll keep that in mind, but userscripts are not a practical option today.
Should all SmokeDetector posts be replied to? As in, how does it matter for the system?
For that, there's another userscript as well, called FIRE
Chat replies are still available though
9:13 AM
And if you don't want to use userscripts, there is a userscript for that as well.
yo dawg I heard you like userscript so I made a userscript for dynamically loading userscripts so you can use a userscript with your userscripts to user script more efficiently
That sounds suspiciously like the build system I once saw in a project.
10:14 AM
highly active tavern today
@mag no bar brawls is a nice change for a while :)
10:43 AM
@Mast SD reports in this room appear after a delay, if enough people haven't submitted feedback, so generally: Yes, practically it's your choice. If you want real-time reports they're available in the Charcoal chat.
Any feedback submitted is subject to review, too many mistakes results in a ban - so read the Help and Documentation regarding offering correct feedback.
@Rob Is the feedback used to improve the system? Or what's done with it?
11:01 AM
@Mast Stored, used to compile stats, and directly adjusts weightings for autoflagging
If there is a sufficient number of responses that label a post as spam it can be deleted. If the same user is reported enough times the algorithm adds additional weight when calculating the score for their posts. With enough input things can function automagically, with insufficient information (or for a double check) Smokey will post a message asking humans to review the post and submit feedback.
There is documentation here: charcoal-se.org/smokey/Commands
@ShadowThePrincessWizard brews a cup of chamomile tea for @Zoe
11:08 AM
@ShadowThePrincessWizard brews a cup of Cappuccino for @Zoe
!!/puppy Zoe
11:09 AM
@ShadowThePrincessWizard Brown!
!!/spawn zombies
@StopHarmingMonica No such command 'puppy'.
@Zoe No such command 'spawn'.
!!/move Zig -forgreatjustice
@ColumbiasaysReinstateMonica No such command 'move'.
11:12 AM
@JNat cross site spammer for your gentle care. Thanks!
@Zoe here is your brownie!
Smokey ^
oof, too much chocolate >.>
Yes, there is :/
drops a 2 ton solid bar of chocolate on @ShadowThePrincessWizard
Theobromine poisoning, also informally called, chocolate poisoning, is an overdosage reaction to the xanthine alkaloid theobromine, found in chocolate, tea, cola beverages, and some other foods. Median lethal (LD50) doses of theobromine have only been published for cats, dogs, rats, and mice; these differ by a factor of 6 across species. At doses of 0.8-1.5 g (50-100 g cocoa) per day sweating, trembling and severe headaches were noted. Limited mood effects were shown at 250mg/day and negative mood effects above. == Chocolate == === In humans === Cocoa beans contain about 1.2% theobromin...
11:20 AM
@JourneymanGeek yummy! eats all the chocolate
@StopHarmingMonica I'll consult @M.A.R.
I'm pretty sure it's one of those things where you'll die from an impacted bowel before getting near the LD50
@ShadowThePrincessWizard gone!
@JNat whoa! So fast! :D
had a bit of spare time right now
so didn't even let this one hit my inbox ;)
11:36 AM
wait... spare time? ;p
that's a postive thing I guess XD
@JNat good! :)
@Aibobot it means no more inactive mods to remove.... :P
That's actually a sad thing :/
@JNat you know what? As a token of my eternal gratitude, I let you take a piece of the above brownie. Bon Appetite! :-D
buh... that peacekeeper want money.
What did you expect?
How they find people? Did I post something hinting I have spare money? :/
(because I don't have ;))
@user58 poll could be nice, or survey...
oh and hi, @user58! :)
11:45 AM
This post sums up in essence my position as well. This was done in the worst possible way and it has actively caused people, including me, harm. I've been slowly cutting back my activity around here, while still hoping beyond hope that SE would somehow fix things, but at this point... the future looks bleak. I doubt I'll be around in any capacity beyond certain contributions to sites such as Puzzling for much longer. — user58 19 secs ago
Peacekeeping by the United Nations is a role held by the Department of Peace Operations as "a unique and dynamic instrument developed by the organization as a way to help countries torn by conflict to create the conditions for lasting peace". It is distinguished from peacebuilding, peacemaking, and peace enforcement although the United Nations does acknowledge that all activities are "mutually reinforcing" and that overlap between them is frequent in practice.Peacekeepers monitor and observe peace processes in post-conflict areas and assist ex-combatants in implementing the peace agreements they...
@StopHarmingMonica Back of the Napkin math says that at a LD50 of 1000mg/kg body weight, to actually get theobromine poisoning to the LD50 amount, a normal size adult human would have to eat ~38kg sweetened chocolate in a short amount of time, or ~7.5kg of unsweetened baker's chocolate. It feels like for the sweetened chocolate that if you're consuming 38kg of what is mostly sugar and cocoa butter, theobromine poisoning is not at the top of your concern list
@ShadowThePrincessWizard 1. not a peacekeeper.
11:51 AM
rather, how will you physically fit that and what on earth will eating like 10+kg of pure sugar do to your metabolism
is that a challenge? because that sounds like a challenge
@mag <70% cocoa solids is a waste of time :)
and, obviously, I reckon that eating 38kg of chocolate in a short time even if it were possible would result in the majority being ejected undigested from your body. And given how fast the human body metabolizes away theobromine, it doesn't seem like it's physically possible to eat that much
in brief, I think you'll die from hyperglycemia or the following sugar crash rather then that
same way that getting enough THC in you to kill you is impossible unless you inject it pure into your veins via a drip, as the other particulates in the smoke would do you in well before then
My SO eats 100%, which is certainly an acquired taste
11:55 AM
tat's just.... cocoa?
I know there's 99%... how would 100% even stick together?
> Give it a go it is delicious!
i've had 90% chocolate before, that is also definitely an acquired taste
although I am much more of a fan then of milk chocolate, for instance
90% is delicious, 100% is challenging
I'm also lactose-intolerant
11:57 AM
I love milk chocolate. With caramel inside.
way too sweet for me
then again I find fresh unsweetened strawberries are just the right amount of sweet and most apples are too sweet so I'm weird in that
Oh, I'm find of a specific sort of slightly fancy milk chocolate
that's odd, strawberries are usually sweeter than apples
doesn't that depend on the kind and freshness of the apple?
Shame about the delivery cost, I'd buy some for my dad.
11:59 AM
fresh strawberries aren't very sweet at all
at least those they sell here
more tart and acidic
Especially those kinds of apples intended for juice are really sweet
@djsmiley2k-CoW well she sent me pics, and Google reverse image search didn't bring anything back, so might be legit. From the pics she's indeed a soldier.
The UN people often have no idea what they're doing here.
@user58 very true
sending @Vog to Den
12:03 PM
too much work to do to play WAG, soz
@Vogel612'sShadow :(
my laptop was semi-dead for a week, because the fan died, so I'm kinda backlogged on both uni work and my job
@Vogel612'sShadow ouch. No backup computer?
a computer yes, but that's weaker than my laptop and that was already struggling with the load for work
@Zoe Some Pocky maybe?
12:13 PM
@Vogel612'sShadow so... time to upgrade that computer.... ;)
What is that?
Q: Network Profile shouldn't be showing comments that were auto-generated and immediately auto-deleted

AlexI closed a question with my Gold Badge a couple of days ago. When I happened to peruse the comment history on my Network Profile just now, I noticed the following comment on that post: Possible duplicate of Why is Gellert Grindelwald considered as second darkest wizard when he terrorised th...

Pocky & Pretz Day (ポッキー&プリッツの日, Pokkii & Purittsu no hi) is a Japanese marketing event that occurs on November 11 each year. The event uses the Ezaki Glico products Pocky and Pretz, which are both long, thin biscuits, to represent the repeated number 1 in the numerical date (i.e. the 11th day of the 11th month). Ezaki Glico has deployed an advertising campaign surrounding the date each year since 1999. Pocky & Pretz Day has been certified as a memorial day by the Japan Anniversary Association (日本記念日協会, Nihon Kinenbi Kyoukai). == Guinness World Record == On 11 November 2012, the campaign involved...
@Mast for that we use "f" as reply to mark as "false positive".
12:28 PM
Also note Smokey detects and reports offensive posts, not only spam, using a black list of known bad words. @Mast
@ShadowThePrincessWizard "Lehrlingsjahre sind keine Herrenjahre" as the saying goes.
@ShadowThePrincessWizard Ok, but it should only catch spam and rude/abusive posts, right? If it's off-topic for any other reason, it shouldn't be caught.
@Vogel612'sShadow Leh who? ;)
basically, yes. that's why shadow marked it as false positive
@ShadowThePrincessWizard "Years of learning are not years of spending", basically
12:35 PM
@Mast true. Answers can be marked (in Smokey meta data) as naa by replying naa to the report, but off topic questions got no mark of their own. (yet?)
considering that topicality is site-specific and subect to change I don't think it's a good idea to try to co-opt smokey for that
@Vogel612'sShadow hmm
in Shadow's Den, 13 secs ago, by FOX 9000
@ShadowThePrincessWizard [Powered by Yandex Translate] Apprentice years years
So in this case it's indeed a false flag.
@ShadowThePrincessWizard yea, that completly missed the "sind keine"
and the "Herren" prefix.
12:37 PM
@Vogel612'sShadow agree, +1
@ShadowThePrincessWizard yep, I am a little late but I only saw that picture today.
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@rene don't you dare to move my Pinkie too. :P
Moves all stuff to /dev/null
@Vogel612'sShadow who's to blame?
12:45 PM
@ShadowThePrincessWizard It's mag's fault.
@Hitodama two days late is fine
1:03 PM
So quiet...
@ShadowThePrincessWizard I know....
I already asked @Journeyman to pin the Equestria Daily feed to this room.... at least it would provide some candy colored ponies pictures.
Maybe users would rant less.
1:20 PM
@ShadowThePrincessWizard I proposed NAQ (not a question), but the idea hasn't caught on.
@SmokeDetector !?
1:32 PM
@Hitodama can also post @balpha's daily unicorn
@mag !?
58 mins ago, by Vogel612's Shadow
considering that topicality is site-specific and subect to change I don't think it's a good idea to try to co-opt smokey for that
Looks like the drama has died down. I swear some of those people went beyond edgelord status. What's beyond edgelord anyway? I guess cornerlord.
returns popcorn to shop
@DavidA ruinedlord?
@ShadowThePrincessWizard maybe next swag context will have a plush as a prize.
1:47 PM
@Hitodama plush of Monica?
@Hitodama is this toilet paper in his hand?
Fits perfectly, actually.
@ShadowThePrincessWizard Yes, being crushed under the weight of the SE logo!
@ShadowThePrincessWizard nope, just a poorly made mug.
@Hitodama really looks like toilet paper roll. lol
1:49 PM
@ShadowThePrincessWizard well... you can easily compare
That mug has handle ^
^ should be the mug on the table.
@terdon-stopharmingMonica or in a cage made from the stack bars
1:50 PM
I love the eyes. They stare directly at your heart.
@ShadowThePrincessWizard there IS an handle... but it is hidden by the dog hand.... you can see it if you look closely.
@MetaAndrewT. they don't even stare... :/
@Hitodama probably
Toilet paper still fits better to describe the crappy situation though. :)
@ShadowThePrincessWizard Uhh... what? What is this feeling... I'm feeling watched right now...
turns off the hidden cam in @Meta's room
oh, yeh, my hidden cam to watch someone's hidden cam.
1:54 PM
@ShadowThePrincessWizard well, the smaller plush that is inside the Toriel plush could also work...
2:10 PM
@ShadowThePrincessWizard Hmmm, I've not heard of them before, but they have more search returns than you - thanks for offering an authoritative link.
2:33 PM
Pretty sure @Vog is "he/him"
Never checked though.
I'm also okay with they/them online
@Vogel612'sShadow good for you :)
yea, it makes all of this discussion a non-issue for me personally
@Vogel612'sShadow true for most people/users, I'm pretty sure of that.
not everybody has that luxury / privilege though, which is kinda why all of that started in the first place.
2:37 PM
It's all about attitude.
That's where is falls and breaks to million pieces.
You can't and should not force attitude, and that's what SE is trying to do.
!!/coffee Vog
@ShadowThePrincessWizard brews a cup of jQuery for @Vog
@DavidA hyperedgelord. they're lords of subsets from V \over k with k > 2
Dang so much was sent in here overnight that I’ve given up on context :P
I.... I feel like I missed something @ SE while ive been away from the site....
depends. How long have you been gone?
A while... Just reading up on the Monica stuff (heard about it a month+ ago)
all the CoC stuff. reading through the answers on the deleted post
good luck. There are ~300 questions with over 1400 combined answers about the saga
Cool. So SE is dead?
Looks like the js channel on SO is not really active as much anymore.
3:00 PM
Not really dead
a sizable number of people left, or suspended their activity. 32 Moderators have resigned, and another 32 have suspended their activity. No count on how many users left.
vaguely on fire
their first attempt at a COC faq became the most downvoted post on MSE in history
by a lot
there are some summary posts...
...superseding their first attempt at an apology, which had temporarily held the position
3:02 PM
you don't want to miss the illegal relicensing and the adpocalypse
the summary post answer listing the seperate questions asked about the situation had to be split in 2 because the links eclipsed the word limit
-2300 votes btw
Q: Firing mods and forced relicensing: is Stack Exchange still interested in cooperating with the community?

amon The last weeks and days have seen some erratic behaviour by Stack Exchange Inc., such as likely illegal changes to the content license and the firing of an upstanding community moderator with no explanation except copy-pasted responses (leaving many to believe it was for no good reason). It wou...

^^ that's got the concise timeline @amanaPlanaCAnalPAnaMA
@amanaPlanaCAnalPAnaMA there are currently two planned lawsuits against SE, which sums it up nicely. One is personal about what they did to Monica and one not personal, on behalf of all users, about changing the content license illegally.
And on their way to those, they hurt many others, some on purpose and some indirectly.
@amanaPlanaCAnalPAnaMA The MSE posts you can read mostly deal with events since the end of September. But behind these are some earlier events. Some of those earlier events are however private.
and some more fun in the future
3:07 PM
lol this one
Comparing this to the other things, it's really minor.
Oh yeah, how could I forget
Monica's Lawsuit gofundme raised nearly 17k
Easy to forget the future, @mag. ;)
And just was reminded of a blast from the past....
Q: Announcing Our Amazing 2018 Stuff-A-Way!

Tim Post Mar 5 UPDATE: This order is proving a bit more laborious to expedite than our vendor had originally anticipated, so these boxes haven't been shipped out yet. Anyone who filled in a form should receive an email with tracking information as soon as their box is shipped. Anyone who didn't catch t...

I still didn't get anything from that
I didn't get the initial email, sent one to JNat as followup, and haven't heard back
Didn't they promise loads of different contests to win stuff, and then there was only one?
in light of everything else it pales, but I'm minorly sore over that as well
3:11 PM
@StopHarmingMonica Ehh, nope. I managed to also win a watch and cheese board that year.
3 hours ago, by Stop Harming Monica
I'm also lactose-intolerant
@mag never too late! @JNat is here... and might remember it?
Still, I'm sure I recall something about weekly things, and there was one a month later, or something
@StopHarmingMonica You can still get a cheese board. Goudse is lactose free ;)
@StopHarmingMonica you mean the Town Halls?
3:13 PM
@Tinkeringbell that is true, as are sufficiently aged cheddar, parmesan
@mag yeah, we still haven't sorted that out... sigh
The emails are on my inbox, so it's not forgotten
@JNat how many didn't get swag?
@StopHarmingMonica Yep. So that's not an excuse :P
@Tinkeringbell although, I suspect I may also/actually be intolerant to milk proteins, though it's not worth the pain to find out
@ShadowThePrincessWizard I got ~20 people waiting for stuff
and there are others who just never filled the form or reached out
3:14 PM
@StopHarmingMonica Oof, yeah. That's a bit of a bigger problem.
@JNat out of almost 1000, right? So on purely dry statistics, not that much... but yeah it's bad situation.
@Tinkeringbell the condition grew in severity over time, so it was hard to keep track of
@JNat so is there any plan for those 20? e.g. send them something else?
@JNat I guess there's still no ETA else you'd have told us by now
@mag that is correct :\
3:17 PM
@ShadowThePrincessWizard given how long it's taking, it might be reasonable to start thinking about alternatives, I guess
@mag Well at least @JNat is responsive. :)
right, but I also don't want to bug him every other week, so I forget and it periodically just comes up as a "oh yeah, that still hasn't happened"
@JNat indeed. If SE can't send anything now, maybe put those 20 in some "auto win" list for any future swag contest?
It won't be fair for the others in a way, but that's another problem.
@mag that's what I'm here for! (to bug @JNat ;))
@mag so, remember when I said these are in my email inbox? I'm the inbox 0 type of person, so... they're definitely not forgotten...
3:20 PM
Labeled "Don't forget! Important!"?
@JNat I reckon, it's okay
it's like my ticket list at work. Periodically I'll clear it of cruft and re-read all the things I haven't gotten to in the past X time, and still can't get to, and get a little irritated.
@ShadowThePrincessWizard ...
@amanaPlanaCAnalPAnaMA lots to process?
@JNat is a perfect example for the reason why I'm still around: SE still got good people inside it. Yaakov is another one, and surely many more are there. So, it's not all bad.
Anyway... what happened to Smokey? No spam for too long!
@ShadowThePrincessWizard ... did I miss something?
@SmokeDetector yes
3:27 PM
@ShadowThePrincessWizard I respect the CMs a huge amount, the work they do is fantastic and they've been handling this situation as best as they possibly can as far as I can tell.
@ShadowThePrincessWizard Yea... idk man...
(that was on purpose)
@Rubiksmoose exactly, all of them.
@amanaPlanaCAnalPAnaMA not sure what you mean, but will let you process in your own time... :)
@ShadowThePrincessWizard lol
shuts down PC to avoid more spoilers
Finally. He's gone.
3:33 PM
Heck yeah!
backup PC is up
pushing @Vogel into a jar
(no worry, he's used to it)
~knocks his tendrils at the glass, decides to return to talking with his colleagues about the current blocker at work
puts the jar with @Vogel on a shelf
3:45 PM
@amanaPlanaCAnalPAnaMA it was his sled
@amanaPlanaCAnalPAnaMA there was, on the floor.
3:58 PM
Spoilers without context is ... wait, those are spoilers?
4:22 PM
4:53 PM
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5:46 PM
There are intermittent problems with the Stack Exchange API: meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/391242/…
*scrolls through terminal* No errors showing there for me yet...
Boson is having them, though.
in Meta Stack Overflow Comment Archive on Stack Overflow Chat, 1 hour ago, by Boson
Error while calling API: HTTP 400 fetching URL https://api.stackexchange.com/2.2/comments. Body is: {"error_id":400,"error_message":"site is required","error_name":"bad_parameter"}
Yeah, the URRS script in SOCVR acts up as well. Could be related to SO and SO Chat?

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