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mag

15:07

shog is eternal

Emilie

15:17

→ 2 messages moved to Chimney

rene

→ 36 messages moved to Chimney

Félix Gagnon-Grenier

waiting for someone else to escalate this to moving 172 messages to Chimney

also o/

Shadow The Princess Wizard

:-D

Félix Gagnon-Grenier

hehehe :)

Shadow The Princess Wizard

→ 9 Shogs moved to Chimney

:P

mag

15:25

caution: attempting to move shogs may result in suspension

Shadow The Princess Wizard

lol

Don't wake the sleeping Shogs

Rubiksmoose

Shogus Dormiens Nunquam Titillandus

terdon

@ShadowThePrincessWizard oh wow, now that takes me back!

I used to love that game and I can't even remember its name now!

Félix Gagnon-Grenier

@ShadowThePrincessWizard :O

Shadow The Princess Wizard

@terdon Alley Cat

DOS game

Another one...

(that's to finish the level)

Emilie

15:33

@ShadowThePrincessWizard Alley Cat!!! oh the memories

Shadow The Princess Wizard

:D

For me it was part of a package, along with Xonix, Round 42, and some more.

Oh, digger!

For some reason no pacman for the kid-me.

lol

Emilie

Here's one of my all-time favs :)

Shadow The Princess Wizard

And when I wanted to play for real, I went for quests, or D&D games.

@Emilie looking nice, but not familiar with it

And when friends arrived, we played Golden Axe or Super Fighter.

Emilie

@ShadowThePrincessWizard Hero's Quest 1, it was a Sierra release

post alley cat though :)

terdon

@ShadowThePrincessWizard YESH! Thanks! I can almost remember the music now! :)

Emilie

15:39

@FélixGagnon-Grenier I know right!

Shadow The Princess Wizard

@Emilie Persian Prince! Just like @M.A.R! :D

Emilie

I went back a page in the transcript and saw nothing so figured we were good :P

@ShadowThePrincessWizard Is he a prince?!

Félix Gagnon-Grenier

heh

Shadow The Princess Wizard

@Emilie same way that I'm a Princess, yep. :D

I played that for hours, but eventually realized I don't like to keep dying in the same spot hundreds of times. LOL

Emilie

@ShadowThePrincessWizard Who's your nemesis? Light the Prince...what's the opposite of a Wizard? Warrior? Frog?

Hitodama

15:42

this reminds me of the time I actually considered the idea of posting a question on Arqade about Super Frog.

Emilie

@ShadowThePrincessWizard Yea I remember it was damned repetitive

Shadow The Princess Wizard

@Emilie no real opposite, it's just an occupation. ;)

Guess Wizards should fight Dragons, though.

@Emilie and sometimes just hard.... :(

@Hitodama think old games don't really get much attention there

It's more for modern games, afaik.

Hitodama

@ShadowThePrincessWizard Was another of those "If I can't find an answer, no one will and I don't care about giving free rep to people who like to post random guessing" moments.

@ShadowThePrincessWizard Don't really need to ask for "How to kill boss" question on stack when GameFAQS exist (to be fair, it is not like I use walkthroughs in the first place).

If I have to come here, is for info that I can't find anywhere else and/or has been lost in the years

Shadow The Princess Wizard

@Hitodama well, you won't find it in SE either.

Hitodama

@ShadowThePrincessWizard exactly.

Shadow The Princess Wizard

15:48

Not without big amount of luck, e.g. the game developer happens to be around.

terdon

And, of course, now I found an online simulator...

Rubiksmoose

@Hitodama On many sites, that kind of thing would be useful as a self-answer.

Shadow The Princess Wizard

@terdon nice!

Hitodama

@Rubiksmoose had I that info, I wouldn't be asking in the first place. Also, my latest "self answer" was greeted by another user posting another answer that started with "I know this isn't relevant for this question, but I am posting just in case". Not really encouraging me to post more....

terdon

That was so weird. I don't think I've seen that game in what, 20 years? 25? And yet I still remembered pretty much everything as soon as I ran the emulator.

Emilie

15:51

@terdon noooooooooo

terdon

@Emilie buhahahaha! Terdon, destroyer of productive Mondays, strikes again!

Shadow The Princess Wizard

While there, also played thousands of hours in Bubble Bobble

That one failed to run smoothly in DOS Box... :/

Hitodama

@ShadowThePrincessWizard I prefer Parasol Star.

Shadow The Princess Wizard

@terdon my case is more weird: I have nearly zero memories from my personal life as a kid (e.g. what I did in school, friends, etc) but I remember a lot of the games I played, what they were, etc.

It's like my brain kept only the best moments, but that's also not true, as I'm sure I had good moments outside of the games... :/

Rubiksmoose

@Hitodama Fair 'nuff.

Shadow The Princess Wizard

15:57

@Hitodama never tried sequels of old games, except D&D games like Dragonlance. :)

mag

time to sign a new lease after work

because I just love reading a contract instead of unwinding

Shadow The Princess Wizard

16:44

djsmiley2k - CoW

@ShadowThePrincessWizard I remember very little of my childhood except some weird moments.

Thing about games is, you can refresh the memories by playing again

you can't refresh memories of people you don't remember

Emilie

@djsmiley2k-CoW Sometimes ignorance is bliss. I can think of so many games that I seem to recall had "awesome graphics" and when I run them again, I'm sorely disappointed!

Shadow The Princess Wizard

@djsmiley2k-CoW what moments, if I may ask?

Also, I'm pretty sure reason for my lack of memory is trauma of losing father at young age, even though I'm sure I was not really sad since I barely knew him. But... go figure, that's what the psychologist said. :/

@djsmiley2k-CoW well I'm still in touch with friends from back then... so that's not the case.

My first "real" memories are from army, maybe bit before.

hmm.... I might be a clone!

:P

user58

@ShadowThePrincessWizard You didn't know?

terdon

17:02

You're nothing but a shadow of the original.

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terdon

> Microsoft is one of the world’s largest and most well respected technology companies.

Citation needed.

/end Linux geek rant.

canon

Must create a userscript to remove those blog/podcast links and notifications.

aww, my comment on this answer about, "An open dialogue? We can dream, can't we?" was deleted.

Stevoisiak

17:18

@canon I would also like that

@canon I'm a fan of the GitLab CEO suggestion.

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canon

Neither one will ever happen.

Stevoisiak

It's way more of a possibility than the current top answer

It feels more like a genuine good-faith suggestion

canon

It is but they'd never sit themselves next to that person for that conversation. I think they'd steer clear of that subject if they were invited at all. From their position, why would you want to invite that comparison?

Stevoisiak

I really don't like the snark added to that question via edits

canon

It's also an unfair comparison. Gitlab is beholden to its user-base; SE is... less so. Gitlab has to be responsive; it has commercial users and those users have other options. What's SE's main competitor in the public Q&A space? Is anything left? Arguably, SE doesn't have to care about public Q&A anymore. It's already reached critical mass for launching their commercial products.

@Stevoisiak I don't know. The last edit seemed to add useful context. Sara didn't ask on SO/SE. She asked on Twitter.

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De Novo supports GoFundMonica

17:34

@Steviosiak If you're referring to my question, I tried to make it as unsnarky and sincere as possible. Any suggestions? Tell me what reads as snarky and I'll look at it. I added the clarifying bit in response to a comment asking if the post was an official request for nominations.

Both the question and the edits came from a sincere desire to share and encourage discussion.

Tinkeringbell

@canon Which kinda makes sense even: she's likely to have a network there, people who know people... I doubt anyone on MSO has the necessary credits to contact the Gitlab CEO and sell him an appearance on the podcast.. Twitter is for social networking, MSO is still in a question and answer format ;)

De Novo supports GoFundMonica

@Stevoisiak ping (my last @ misspelled your username)

Stevoisiak

@DeNovosupportsGoFundMonica How would this look? gist.github.com/Stevoisiak/7f30bffe79d625a38a0aef6549f4b94d

De Novo supports GoFundMonica

@Stevoisiak looks good. I endorse the edit, if you would like to make it.

David A

It's interesting how some of the employees responsible for community engagement seem to be so afraid of that community.

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Stevoisiak

17:42

@DeNovosupportsGoFundMonica Thanks

djsmiley2k - CoW

/me looks in

Stevoisiak

@DavidA To be fair, with the current state of meta, I think I'd be afraid of meta too

djsmiley2k - CoW

o_O

it's.... just a forum

I'd be more afraid of moderating it

Stevoisiak

It's more so... Imagine if the Q&A director had posted asking for guest suggestions on MSE

djsmiley2k - CoW

the director being Sara, or random person?

Someone would suggest Monica, of course.

Stevoisiak

17:50

Was trying to naming anyone, but yes, Sarah

Tinkeringbell

@Stevoisiak Two top answers would be 'Monica' and 'dont you have better stuff to do', probably...

Which isn't useful...

djsmiley2k - CoW

well that bridge was burnt, crushed by a bulldozer, had godzilla set upon it....

terdon

@DavidA More than interesting, it's both a symptom and a cause of the broader disconnect between the company and the user base. Users are pissed because we feel the company is ignoring us, so when employees do come and say something, we tend to bite their heads off which makes them less likely to come to us, which makes us even more angry over being ignored...

Vicious cycle.

djsmiley2k - CoW

they might want to maybe work with the community, before thinking that podcast invitations are important.

Stevoisiak

@Tinkeringbell That top answer is exactly what happened when another user asked

@djsmiley2k-CoW I'm sure they are having those discussions. But if a legal team or higher up has told you not to comment, there's only so much you can do

If you aren't the one making that decision, then you still have a job to do

Tinkeringbell

17:52

@terdon Probably made even worse when we nitpick on everything they do outside of the network as well (not saying there's never been mistakes there, but... This latest one seems a bit too much for me personally)

djsmiley2k - CoW

@Stevoisiak have they said the legal team has requested them not to comment?

Tinkeringbell

@Stevoisiak I know ;) at least the other one is now avoided :P. I like Makoto's answer there :)

djsmiley2k - CoW

I honestly on't think they're having any such dscussions.

Stevoisiak

At this point, I am 100% sure certain legal teams have told them not to comment

djsmiley2k - CoW

wow this keyboard is mashed.

terdon

17:53

@Tinkeringbell I think this is just another manifestation of the general feeling that SE is completely ignoring the Monica Meltdown and yet still has time for things like podcasts to show off how cool they are. Unfair? Absolutely, but it is understandable.

Stevoisiak

I'm not saying people shouldn't be angry, or that the podcasts are a good look

Tinkeringbell

@terdon I get it ;) just hoping some other people start seeing this too soon... I'm getting the impression that there's not much Sara personally can do to fix the whole thing, so her business as usual will likely continue besides what she can do wrt Monica.

Stevoisiak

I'm saying, being afraid of making comments on Meta right now doesn't seem far fetched

djsmiley2k - CoW

hmmM

It does, if you're not Sara, and you're not trying to defend or discuss that.

Mods are very good (some argue too good) at removing anything off topic.

Stevoisiak

@djsmiley2k-CoW If the specific CM already has a good reputation with the community and is careful with their wording? Possibly

djsmiley2k - CoW

17:56

yah

Stevoisiak

But a single mistake is enough to set people off right now

djsmiley2k - CoW

also, we've gone right back to the original point of this whole thing

people weren't nice

and nothing was done

So even if tensions are high, and everything else.

If someone - anyone - posts something, and people aren't nice. Do the thing.

To be honest right now, Sara or SE posting something, and there being no response at all, would send the largest message.

Stevoisiak

This whole mess started because people acted too quickly. Now in response, every response is guarded

terdon

@Tinkeringbell : Which is precisely the problem. You can't have business as usual when the situation is not usual. shrugs

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Stevoisiak

This is just speculation, but I imagine those who started this situation are currently under scrutiny by higher-ups

Essentially, they are following the protocols they believe would have prevented this mess from happening to begin with

The issue is, none of those protocols help undo the damage after it has been done

djsmiley2k - CoW

18:03

@Stevoisiak no. Monica was removed as a over reaction, to an accusation that the network was harbouring bigots.

De Novo supports GoFundMonica

@Tinkeringbell it's really disappointing that something as simple as talking about who would be a good guest on the podcast somehow looks like stirring up controversy, or even nitpicking.

Stevoisiak

@djsmiley2k-CoW Monica's removal and slandering is the damage I refer to

djsmiley2k - CoW

Same way the network over-reacted to the accusation the network was 'not friendly'

Which is amusing, concidering the very same person who's responsible for this, even has a blog post explaining how they themselves over reacted to thinking people weren't nice.

Stevoisiak

If a policy of "no comment" had been in place beforehand? Things wouldn't have gone the way they did

djsmiley2k - CoW

Or a policy of "Don't react to twitter"

Stevoisiak

18:07

Monica herself has said the removal wasn't her biggest issue, it's the comments afterwards

2

> The email that I got indicated that I was being removed because they didn't think I would obey the forthcoming Code of Conduct. [...] If they had stopped there, you wouldn't be reading this page on GoFundMe.

djsmiley2k - CoW

well yeah

so "Don't talk to the press"

seems pretty obvious. it's a stardard part of most peoples employment contracts too

Stevoisiak

The press was the most egregious case, but the posts on SE haven't helped either

djsmiley2k - CoW

Maybe someoem should of got some traning.

training.

but, from what she posts elsewhere, I feel she just ignores anything that goes against her mindset,

lets..... iscuss somethingn else.

like how bad a keyboard sitting on another keyboard can make you type...

rene

it shows ...

Rob

18:23

Table Flip (2019) - Terminator Style:

New Robot Makes Soldiers Obsolete (by Corridor Digital)

►

djsmiley2k - CoW

18:42

mag

no rent increase \o/

canon

grats

man, the Lua and FoxPro tags get no love

rene

FoxPro ... that has been a while ...

canon

it's a niche skillset I picked up when I first started with this company

before they migrated away from it

we actually still use Lua in a few places

rene

Last time I saw FP was to do a 2.6 to 3.0 conversion/migration ...

canon

18:55

the only reason we moved away from it was because of its limit

it couldn't access anything bigger than two gigs

so, as the data grew, we had to figure something else out

even with aggressive archiving

There were things I liked about FoxPro, though. That all-inclusive IDE was neat.

rene

yep.

canon

setting up table relationships for a god-view in the IDE was nice too

you use .NET predominantly, right?

rene

yes

and some javascript when the need is there

canon

<3 JS

rene

I have a love/hate relationship with it

canon

19:04

@Tinkeringbell I'm just pointing out that it doesn't make much sense to volunteer unsolicited opinions... when other channels were very obviously used in lieu of SO/SE.

Shadow The Princess Wizard

@rene like A/B test?

rene

yes

canon

@rene lol

Shadow The Princess Wizard

@djsmiley2k-CoW this is you?

In my previous forum (aspfree) I created a thread "Show your face" or something along those lines. ;)

Was nice to see the faces behind the nicknames.

mag

world is really messed up if you think about it

so much is about connections rather then skill or merit

Shadow The Princess Wizard

19:18

It was always like that.

It's just that these days we're more aware of it.

Any context though? @mag

Or just a random thought?

mag

@ShadowThePrincessWizard the lease I just signed is about 30% under market value

I'm already living here it's just a renewal but damn, this apartment would never be on the open market or be at least a third more, and probably still get dozens of applications

canon

weeee capped on comment deletion

mag

on paper, i'm not a very attractive prospect to rent this. But my dad knows the landlord so I managed to get this, without any real problems or proof of income at first

I could be dropping 200€ more a month on a similar place if I even found it at all

canon

@mag What's that weird symbol? Spacebucks?

mag

got me thinking just how different my life would be without the connections of my parents and family

euro

I got my current job because of an internship I did once that I got because my dad knew one of the managers

it's literally nepotism

my whole life isn't even fair

Kevin B

19:24

meh

Shog9

Magisch checks his privilege

Shadow The Princess Wizard

@mag wait, so you complain that you pay less? :)

mag

it's that nagging feeling

Kevin B

just depends on how much credit you want to give to those around you. like, i got my first job working in retail where my mom worked. i continued to work there for 6 years before i finished college and came here... if i wasn't a quality worker, they wouldn't have kept me on for 6 years. If i wasn't responsible i wouldn't have saved that money and then used it to pay for college. etc, i'm sure there's bits of your story that are similar.

mag

am I where I am because I earned it

or just because my dad knows people

Kevin B

19:26

Because things were handed to you doesn't mean you didn't contribute to it and earn it

mag

what if I hadn't had these advantages? Would I be anywhere near where I'm at

Shog9

we've all had stuff handed to us. I got a used TI99/4A at Goodwill for $10 - if that hadn't been there, I probably wouldn't have been a programmer.

canon

@mag all you can really do is make sure you're demonstrating your own value now and going forward. Opportunities get you so far... and then you have to deliver on your own.

Shadow The Princess Wizard

Heh. My programming started with a GWBasic guide. I copied code from the book to IDE and created a snake game. Then started to wonder how it works.

Travis J

What if no one had discovered multithreading.

We all stand on the shoulders of giants. Sure, you can end up getting ins for certain places, but the truth is, we are all centuries deep on top of existing benefits from previous generations.

mag

19:30

yes but

canon

@TravisJ then an entire generation of programmers wouldn't have broken things trying to port their code to a paradigm they didn't fully understand.

Shadow The Princess Wizard

@TravisJ so true...

mag

what about the kids in my class with poor parents

some of them never had the chances

canon

if it really bothers you, you could sublet to the less privileged, at cost, and find another place more appropriately expensive

Travis J

Being poor just makes you learn to work harder. In the end, those who struggle tend to be the ones who excel in life.

Shadow The Princess Wizard

19:32

BTW @Trav you still in touch with Jay?

Travis J

No, is he well? I hope so

rene

@mag your dad might know people but your dad can't do your work and if you screw up, you get fired, not your dad. It is no problem to use your personal network.

canon

Life is political. Network like it matters.

Shadow The Princess Wizard

I remember your conversation with him when he left, it was really heartening.

@TravisJ yeah, think I saw him twitting.

rene

@mag I'm sure you can find ways to pay your well being forward. Make a donation, volunteer. That is appreciated.

Shadow The Princess Wizard

19:34

mobile.twitter.com/JayHanlon/status/1189962364227117058

Travis J

Thanks @Shadow. Jay is an inspiring guy.

Shadow The Princess Wizard

He is.

canon

All I know of Jay Hanlon came from The Welcome Wagon™.

Shadow The Princess Wizard

And? What you think of it?

Shog9

Jay worked here for 6 years, and was a user for years before that. He did a lot of things

Shadow The Princess Wizard

19:38

Even coffee? ;)

!!/coffee Jay

SmokeDetector

@ShadowThePrincessWizard brews a cup of Cappuccino for @Jay

M.A.R.

This message is horrible. It will self destruct in 100000, 99999

Stevoisiak

@M.A.R. I expect to see this deleted in 27.777778 hours

canon

@Shog9 I'm sure he did. I'm just saying I was only exposed to him through the narrow lens of the the WW debacle.

djsmiley2k - CoW

@ShadowThePrincessWizard yes

M.A.R.

19:48

Canon lens

djsmiley2k - CoW

@mag at some point in your life, you'll get the chance to help some randomo who's got no connections.

canon

@M.A.R. womp

M.A.R.

@djsmiley2k-CoW That angle looks like my former history teacher.

djsmiley2k - CoW

@M.A.R. lol ok :D

M.A.R.

. . . Oh holy crap

canon

19:49

@djsmiley2k-CoW wouldn't mag be the connection?

djsmiley2k - CoW

No, I'm not your teacher.

@canon lol yeah maybe, but maybe not

M.A.R.

@canon He always complains about his connection

djsmiley2k - CoW

I've.... recommended people for stuff, and they've hardly known who I was.

As God tells Bender, if you do it right, people don't know you've done anything at all.

canon

@Shog9 think there's any chance of shuttering meta anytime in the near future?

Shog9

sure

M.A.R.

19:51

Aaand there we go with canon puns every two minutes

canon

I can't tell if that's deadpan snark or genuine, matter-of-fact delivery.

M.A.R.

It's Shog. So something in between.

canon

hah

djsmiley2k - CoW

it'll be a blast at least.

go out with a bang?

Stevoisiak

You only asked if there was a chance, not if it was likely.

djsmiley2k - CoW

19:53

After all, it's a powder keg right now.

Shall i stop?

Kevin B

it would certainly solve a lot of problems

M.A.R.

Like

Kevin B

This whole upset community that hangs out there would no longer have a place to vent

Stevoisiak

🧨🛢️

Whoops, dropped my powderkeg

M.A.R.

@KevinB You forget one important location.

Kevin B

19:55

twitter? eh, i doubt many would be willing to go that route

i wouldn't

M.A.R.

Enough people with a lot of followers I guess. I wish I was being snarky but I'm not

Water finds a way. — Shog

canon

@Shog9 Do you think that's a likely eventuality? I should have been more specific.

Kevin B

maybe it would result in people actually doing something about it rather than just complaining in a place that seems to be ignored anyway.

Shog9

I have no idea

canon

@KevinB as opposed to talking endlessly to like-minded people in a tidy little echo chamber?

Shog9

19:58

I know why meta sites were created. I don't know how many other people do.

Rubiksmoose

@Shog9 Now I'm curious. Why were they created, if not for the obvious reason?

canon

@Shog9 I doubt I know the real reason... but I suspect it was something along the lines of raising/resolving concrete issues with the software early on.

Shog9

@Rubiksmoose what's the obvious reason?

Tim Stone

All the murder

canon

lol

Travis J

20:02

Meta was sposed to remove all teh needless comments on posts about the platform itself.

Rubiksmoose

@Shog9 Er, dealing with site conflict and development?

Travis J

In an extreme move of irony, meta then began to suggest users take their comments about the platforms and cookie cut comments for posts on main.

Shog9

@Rubiksmoose That's not a reason that's a purpose

rene

UserVoice was too expensive

canon

lol

Rubiksmoose

20:04

Fair. So, rephrased, they were created because there were conflicts and developmental needs that mainsite was not equipped to handle?

canon

yeah, but they were handling those on an offsite resource. Why was functionality migrated to Q&A?

Travis J

It was equipped to handle it, but talking about the platform instead of the current problem you are solving is a time killer (ref: meta is murder)

Rubiksmoose

@canon I don't know lol. I'd love to hear why.

Shog9

I have a 12lb hammer. I use it for splitting wood, breaking lose rusted brake drums, driving stakes, etc. That is its purpose. But I have it because I needed to split wood and my 4lb hammer was no good for that. That is the reason.

Travis J

What? So no one hammers nails anymore? Geez...

Rubiksmoose

20:07

> breaking lose rusted brake drums

oh boy I can seriously relate to that.

Shog9

We have meta because otherwise y'all would have Twitter accounts. Or Reddit, HN, Discord, etc. Think about that.

canon

Well, now you're going to get those too. :)

Stevoisiak

Reddit feedback shudders

canon

Now behold the awful proliferation of redditcancer.

More like metastatic... amirite?!?!

Tim Stone

@Shog9 Imagine if they had moved to an actual bug tracking system ;) shudders

Also whew was that a long time ago

mag

20:10

closing meta doesnt cease meta talk

it just moves it to a venue SE doesnt control

Shog9

Now... That was a good rationale in 2009. Is it still a good rationale today? Maybe the devs now enjoy fielding bug reports on Twitter. Maybe we care about what is said on the underbelly of Reddit. If so, then perhaps meta is no longer useful.

mag

only the devs can answer that one

but consider that even with everything going on MSE is still a marked improvement over a moderately heated twitter thread or any programming related subreddit

Shog9

To me, sure. Some people actually enjoy Twitter.

canon

@Shog9 Do you find that you're more, less, or about as engaged with the *meta community as you were 4 years ago?

mag

twitter is really tantalizing cause it paints a picture of a simple world without nuance, because nuance never fits into 140 char tweets

Stevoisiak

20:16

@mag The limit was raised to 280 characters in 2017

mag

huh

doesn't feel more nuanced when I visit it though :/

Stevoisiak

It does not

Shog9

It's precisely 2x the former nuance

Stevoisiak

I wish it was that much

Sonic the Reinstate Monica-hog

The 140-character limit stems from the fact that Twitter wanted to make itself compatible with traditional SMS messaging, and that has a 160-character limit. 20 characters had to be reserved for the user ID and other stuff, leaving the remaining 140 for use.

canon

20:29

I wonder if ICQ is still around

hmm, it is

who is using that? :/

Ro-Reinstate Monic-Alsop

@canon it is still heavily used

Travis J

Twitter has two uses. One, is the bane of rational though; the other can save lives. twitter rewards people who cannot actually produce rational thought. It is good for quips, for link sharing, for memes. All these things are the one use which is essentially what happens on standby. Standby twitter is junk. Immediate twitter on the other hand, such as allowing emergency personnel to share critical information to a large audience at the same minute they are experiencing issues, has saved lives.

mag

@Shog9 2x-10 = -20?

canon

@Ro-ReinstateMonic-Alsop o.O

Shog9

@mag 0.001

canon

20:32

lol

Ro-Reinstate Monic-Alsop

@canon I always disliked it, but I dislike Slack more. Discord much more. Twitter is a terrible pile of ****. WhatsApp ... has issues, as does Signal. Telegram is pretty sucky. Hangouts was always crud. Wire sucks battery life. Keybase does at least have proper encryption, so that's a thing.

Sad though it may seem, Stack Exchange chat is my favourite...

canon

what, no IRC?

Shog9

Y'know what was good?

canon

bulletin boards?

Ro-Reinstate Monic-Alsop

reminiscing?

Shog9

20:34

Wave.

Ro-Reinstate Monic-Alsop

IRC - sucky

Trillian :-)

Shog9

Trillian was good

I paid for it for years

Ro-Reinstate Monic-Alsop

I used that extensively for a bit - so as to not have to deal with all the other message apps

Shog9

Even after that Winamp-style UI rewrite

Ro-Reinstate Monic-Alsop

it just worked (tm)

ahhh - winamp. Kids these days will never know the joys of a custom winamp reskinning

Rubiksmoose

20:36

Wave was rad.

Shog9

...what was with every app in the early 2000s having to build their own theming lib?

And then doing a full on second system syndrome rewrite that made the theming engine suck?

canon

@Shog9 I used Trillian too. Wrangling all of those chat providers (plus IRC) just massaged something deep in my pleasure center.

Shog9

The "pain avoidance" center

canon

or that

it was great to assign people meaningful aliases

instead of icepick44, bluesniper66, etc

Shog9

Not gonna lie, my fav thing was carrying on a conversation where I cycled through all of a contact's services

2

Drove folks nuts

canon

20:39

hahah

msn, aim, gtalk

I'd do that to one particular person too

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