@user58 Pre-MSO-MSE split, there used to be Stack Overflow moderators here in the Tavern (as this was also the meta room for Stack Overflow).
Also, there is a way for an RO to stop a user from creating new rooms. Kicking them three times consecutively in a single room will ban them from creating rooms.
(Though that doesn't work if the user refuses to speak in the room, denying ROs the ability to kick.)
@SonictheReinstateMonica-hog Do you know how long that lasts? I've certainly been kicked three times before here. Not that I think I'll ever need to create a room on MSE, but still...
They're inconsistent though. On Freenode, +q means quiet (not banned, but unable to speak). On Rizon, +q means founder (even more power than regular ops!) Funny when they're mixed up!
Well ChanServ can do that as well, but standard modes persist for as long as the chan exists.
Most IRC services ensure a registered channel will exist even without users.
In the good old days, that wasn't the case and you could take over a channel if a netsplit occurred and you happened to be left as the only one in the room. :P /cycle and you're god.
@Nobody Not necessarily: New York law holds specific cases of defamation per se which do not require one to show damages (this includes trade defamation, workplace defamation - which is defined as professional relationship, and can include Internet defamation).
Not arguing about whether that happened here but thems the laws
Also the workplace one would be quite a stretch but ....stranger cases have happened
Not gonna judge I understand the need for a break, the need to stand on principles, and the need to say "stuff it, I gotta take care of my own" - all I can say is good luck and Meta.SE is better for it with you as a mod
^ above is not a statement about Tink's performance which has been admirable during this time :)
@LinkBerest and that's a difficult part of it really
I basically have to balance someone I respect being treated in a way I disagree with, by folks I know are capable of so much more, with a space that's important to me struggling
@user58 Pre-MSO-MSE split, there used to be Stack Overflow moderators here in the Tavern (as this was also the meta room for Stack Overflow).
It's not correct that this room had no mods other than staff for "most" of its history. For the majority of its history, there were either Stack Overflow mods or MSE mods here.
(SO mods had moderator access on this chat server - formerly Chat.MSO - prior to the MSO-MSE split.)
What user58 said. You can fix my typos, but please don't change my voice. Of course, if someone has poor English skills, you may have no option but to change their voice with your edits, but in that situation you have to be very confident that you understand what the author is attempting to say. It's often a good idea to clarify that with comments before making an edit.
Also, there is a way for an RO to stop a user from creating new rooms. Kicking them three times consecutively in a single room will ban them from creating rooms.
So it's not correct that "there is no way to stop them from...creating their own [rooms]".
I know that the general SE policy is to encourage edits, but I mostly prefer people to offer suggestions for improvements in comments, especially while my post is still "active". Similarly, I try to encourage OPs (especially new ones) to fix their question themself, rather than to "take over" and rewrite their question for them.
@PM2Ring I guess that's where I kind of disagree. I prefer to edit feature requests so they are more likely to be implemented, and so the author has first-hand experience with how feature requests are properly structured on Meta, so that later feature requests by them fit the standard. Expecting one to improve their request without firsthand advice of how helps no one.
@SonictheReinstateMonica-hog uhm. Lots of people tend to ask for their intent and voice to be respected. And I'm kinda iffy on how it makes it "more likely"
Currently, the way that chat moderation is set up, it relies heavily on site moderators moderating chat in addition to their main Q&A site. Moderators have some pretty powerful tools (freezing rooms, suspensions), and rooms also have a first line of defense in the form of room owners, who have sm...
It contains two incorrect assertions: 1. this room, Tavern on the Meta, had no moderators other than staff for "most" (i.e. the majority) of its history, and 2. ROs can't ban users from creating new rooms.
@JourneymanGeek Most of them were indeed voice edits, which I've agreed weren't really warranted.
Okay, the first one is fairly minor. But the second one is one that could conceivably be a factor contributing to the potential downfall of the feature request.
An SE employee making a decision on the feature request, or a community member posting an answer, is not likely to read the comments.
@SonictheReinstateMonica-hog i.e. be used as one additional factor in a user's answer arguing against the request, or an SE employee's decision to decline
Here's an important thing to realise - FR's are unlikely to get accepted on the strength of one post, or done exactly as we asked for, or in a predictable manner.
So a lot of what you're saying could be reading into stuff a little too much
I had a feature request kinda... just happen overnight ;p
I want to see it implemented. I'm in favor of it. And as one who's in favor of it, I'm doing us all a favor by bolstering the post, to address potential reasons for declining it before they're posted and affect the employee's decision. In other words, trying to sway everyone to like it and employees to implement it.
@JourneymanGeek A quick unrelated question: during the test to have the global moderator room here on MSE chat, is the TL still open, or is it not open?
I only know of one genuine troll post that hit HNQ and remained there, but that's also because the person who wrote it told me (not sure if it was Workplace or IPS though).
Here the "isAdmin" flag controls which items you can see - normal users only get to see and handle the "tickets" they are associated with. Admins can handle everything.
@TheforestofReinstateMonica Funny fact: the "How to Send a File" chapter in "How To" - Randall last book - basically suggests that. Just replace birds with butterflies
@TheforestofReinstateMonica We get people on TWP who create new accounts for each question, and each question appears to be crafted to hit HNQ. When the question loses attention, they create a new account with another contrived question. Most of them are too detailed and too specific to really be useful to the wider community.
In mathematics, especially order theory, a partially ordered set (also poset) formalizes and generalizes the intuitive concept of an ordering, sequencing, or arrangement of the elements of a set. A poset consists of a set together with a binary relation indicating that, for certain pairs of elements in the set, one of the elements precedes the other in the ordering. The relation itself is called a "partial order." The word partial in the names "partial order" and "partially ordered set" is used as an indication that not every pair of elements needs to be comparable. That is, there may be pairs...
and more specifically....
> The word partial in the names "partial order" and "partially ordered set" is used as an indication that not every pair of elements needs to be comparable.
Good luck to me in finding the MAX element, I suppose...
First we need to find a proper name for this whole crisis. One that pops to mind is "The Big Exodus of 2019", so exodus-2019 might fit. :) — Shadow35 secs ago
@SPArchaeologist-様 in two years, if SE will still exist, and I'll tell someone "Remember what happened two years ago? Take a look [link here]", would be useful to have it all in one place. No?
Winterbash is a single event (yearly, but still) and got its own tag.
lol, just saw the latest legal question on Meta (unpaid volunteers); its an interesting debate but people need to understand case law before answering (there are a lot of weird assumptions)
Currently, when a moderator messages a user, the user sees which moderator is messaging them. This includes when a moderator issues a timed suspension.
Generally, I have no problem with this. Sometimes a user needs to be gently reminded to be nicer in comments, or to disclose when they're advert...
FYI, if anyone wants to read a good article on moderators as "civil labor" (not volunteers - slight difference) there's this response to the Reddit blackout of 2015 - it also has my favorite comic about moderators on page 7
Does the icon with 0 go away when you reload? That's very crucial to know. (If it does, the bug is with the AJAX check of flags, if not, it's something server side.) — ShadowOct 15 '17 at 7:13
@Shadow nothing brightened my day as much as coming back to my simulation software after a weekend of computation, only to realize all it had written to file was Gigs of NaN.
@Bart heh, we had a Linux server last year that was just installed in a new spot in the server room and kinda "given" for various research. Problem was we didn't know that the power for this new spot was controlled by the "light switch". Which meant that it would randomly die at about 4-6 o'clock on Saturday and all our weekend work was for naught
Lol @LinkBerest. Back when I was still a researcher in Uni we had bought 2 CUDA compute servers to use. I tested my work on there hoping for faster results, but it was about 4 times slower than on my desktop. Took me ages to figure out it was not my code, but that another lab member was taking up all the capacity mining Bitcoin.
We had one researcher (did not use the server for this) whose "job" for a year was running campaigns on various online games (MMOs like WoW, FPS, etc) as part of research into online communities and a paper they were writing. It did quite well, but more importantly: it was the most sought-after RA job ever
most of them burnt out quickly: its easy to think a job playing games is fun until you realizes how many interactions you have and that you have to document all of them in detail (i.e. oh, wait?! You mean this is actual work?!)
@Shadow except they have the added bonus of "nobody said every restaurant you review is going to be good" (actually that happened too, Professor wanted interactions of new people so forced some RAs that liked FPS to play WoW and vice-versa)