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djsmiley2k - CoW

15:00

'Be Nice' went too far :/

@Cerbrus lol, I'm not a mod for good reason.

I don't have any allowance.

Trasiva

How do you buy your sweets then?

You know, if you think about it. Your paycheck from work is nothing more than an adult form of allowance.

But with more taxes (at least in the US)

djsmiley2k - CoW

hah

I meant allowance for (bad) trolling.

Trasiva

Maybe the room owners just want to keep this pasture clear of any crap.

2

Which, I'm all for

rene

→ 1 message moved to Trashcan

→ 2 messages moved to Trashcan

please stop making me having to move all messages

Bart

Or we call this Tavern on the Trashcan?

rene

15:05

could work

user310756

maybe loosen up a bit. It's not feeling good

user310756

no one can say anything

Bart

Give it time @YvetteColomb. Don't force it

Emilie

We can talk about waffles

rene

Good advice

Trasiva

15:05

I'm not a fan of waffles, too much work

Bart

^ ban pls

Zoe the transgirl

What about puppies?

user310756

@Bart hi bart

Bart

o/

Emilie

@Trasiva Not even 3D printed waffles?

Cerbrus

15:06

Can we drop that already

Trasiva

@Emilie ...

Now why you gotta go there

rene

@Trasiva they come pre-packaged here

Trasiva

You mean like Eggo?

Raedwald

We like pikelets.

Trasiva

If I'm gonna have a waffle, I'm gonna make it from scratch.

Zoe the transgirl

15:06

@Trasiva I'm sorry, on behalf of The Waffle Association, section Meta II, AKA "Tavern", we're now gonna ban you.

djsmiley2k - CoW

For years I couldn't eat (belgan) waffles (as opposed to potato waffles which are awesome.)

As they'd cause me to choke.

Emilie

@Trasiva Are Eggos made from PLA? :P

Trasiva

Let me rephrase. I like waffles, I just don't enjoy making them.

Cereal

Waffles are superior to pancakes

Bart

@djsmiley2k-CoW ... chew?

djsmiley2k - CoW

15:07

Other things which'd also cause this: McDonalds batches, and bbq food.

Trasiva

@Emilie ....

djsmiley2k - CoW

@Bart lol you'd think, right.

Wasn't a chewing problem.

Trasiva

djsmiley2k - CoW

I had barretts esophagus which meant my throat closed up sometimes when adjudicated by stomach acid (which certain foods seemed to set off).

Trasiva

Now that's a breakfast

Bart

15:08

@Trasiva ooooh ... slightly jealous.

user310756

@Trasiva now I'm hungry

Bart

@djsmiley2k-CoW dang.

djsmiley2k - CoW

yah

Raedwald

Bacon. My partner is vegetarian. <cries>

Trasiva

:D

user310756

15:10

@Trasiva what sort of eggs are those

user310756

now I'm really hungry - like gonna need to get some food hungry

Emilie

@Raedwald Some of the new veggie bacon is actually pretty good

Cerbrus

Chicken probably

Trasiva

There's a bed of sauteed garlic spinach and mushrooms, with two eggs over easy and two strips of bacon.

user310756

what's an egg over easy?

Trasiva

15:11

Egg that still has a soft yolk

user310756

oh yes! that's how I like my poached eggs

Trasiva

Bart

And was flipped to cook on the other side, hence the "over"

Trasiva

Breakfast burritos!

@Bart Nope, I don't flip 'em. I throw a bit of water in at the end and throw a lid on it to steam the top.

Emilie

mmMM burritos

user310756

15:12

even hard boiled eggs - so the inside is still runny and you make a fresh white bread roll with butter and put the egg on them

Bart

This is getting offensive again ... I'm hungry, not out of the office for another 2 hours ... and then this. Then again, maybe I shouldn't be reading chat while working ...

Trasiva

@Bart Last one then, lol

user310756

@Bart I'm in bed for the night and seriously thinking about getting up to eat

Bart

Hahaha

Trasiva

Hash browns, bacon, eggs over easy, and toast with farm fresh butter.

user310756

15:14

@Trasiva hash brown is on the bottom left == potatoes?

Trasiva

Yep

user310756

I feel a deadly craving for protein

user310756

I don't eat meat often, but when that urge comes...

djsmiley2k - CoW

Now I have pills for less acid, and most things are gooooooooood

@YvetteColomb deadly for whom I wonder.

Raedwald

@YvetteColomb After reading some of the Rig Veda, I had a craving for butter.

user310756

15:17

user310756

this one is to get Bart's mind off food. He's my son's dog

Trasiva

Oh, I only shared breakfast

I haven't even shared lunch or dinner

Raedwald

4 bacon and egg dishes for one breakfast!

user310756

Trasiva

Not one breakfast, lol. I just stuck to a theme

user310756

15:19

my dog trying to drive home

Cereal

We have a greyhound

Trasiva

Oops @Bart, I'm terribly sorry. This just fell and landed here.

Bart

@YvetteColomb awwwwww

user310756

@Cereal they're awesome aren't they!?

Emilie

15:21

@YvetteColomb meow

user310756

@Trasiva I'm starving! that's done it. off to get some foods

Cereal

A bug scared her in July and we've spent the last several months training her to go back outside

user310756

@Emilie we have 3 cats. 2 dogs and 9 horses, plus another horse I look after (10)

user310756

@Cereal awwwwww that is so sad. Yes Elsa is delicate. She whimpers at the slightest thing

Cereal

She's also scared of her food bowl

user310756

15:22

I believe it!

user310756

how long have you had her?

Trasiva

user310756

did she come off the track?

Trasiva

Have some pizza instead

user310756

spinach cheese pizza

Cereal

15:22

We got her december 26 2018, so just under a year

Trasiva

That's basil

user310756

oh it takes a while. Elsa has settled down a lot

Cereal

Yes, she was a racer. She retired just shy of 3 year old

user310756

lol basil ok.. yeh that makes sense

Trasiva

It's a Margarita pizza napoleon style.

Cereal

15:23

So fairly early. She wasn't a good racer

Emilie

@YvetteColomb Sounds like fun! I love animals. Had to put down my dying cat last summer and not ready to have more right now unless it's a temporary rescue or something

user310756

@Cereal yep elsa didn't qualify - so we got her as 2 yo

user310756

@Emilie it's incredibly painful. I'm sorry to hear

user310756

most of ours are rescues

Trasiva

@Emilie You have a kid and a half. How on earth would you have time for another pet?

Cereal

15:24

It's interesting, having a 3 year old dog that doesn't know things like stairs, or other people. She's intensely afraid of men, so we figure she was abused. she's coming around

Emilie

@Trasiva At some point, I had a 3 years old, a 6 months old, and a dying cat that required IV fluids almost daily + multiple medication. I've been told I'm on the hyperactive side :P

Trasiva

I really should just buckle down and get another dog. Get my ass off the couch.

@Emilie That sounds...accurate, haha

user310756

@Cereal ikr! my son had to carry elsa up 5 flights when we first owned her

user310756

they live on the tracks in kennels and never go on steps

Emilie

Giving IV fluids to a non-cooperating pet with a 3 years old trying to "help" you is.... yea

user310756

15:25

she would also growl if we touched her when she was asleep, they are kenneled alone

user310756

@Emilie oh 3 yos are goooood helpers O.O

Trasiva

Hey! My nephew is three and he's a fantastic helper.

I'd never be able to annoy my sister or parents nearly as efficiently without his help.

Emilie

@YvetteColomb I expect it'll improve with time lol

user310756

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Q: Issues with their hound growling when they're disturbed when sleeping?

I have a 2 yo rescue greyhound. By rescue I mean the trainer took her and her sister to the vet to be put to sleep, as they weren't running fast enough at the track. She's a darling sweet girl. I have no issues with her. She doesn't chase our cats, she loves going for runs when I go to the horse...

user310756

@Emilie ooooh mine are all adults now... it varies - the 3 yos have an enthusiasm that's hard to reignite

user310756

15:28

@Trasiva omg - do you buy him noisy presents?

Emilie

@YvetteColomb Yeah I'm trying not to kill her enthusiasm at least, it's really a wonderful thing

Trasiva

Well, I buy some. I print others.

user310756

@Emilie they're so darn cute. I still look at my kids and they're as cute as they were when they were 3. The love stays big

user310756

@Trasiva you sound like a nice uncle

Cereal

He's not. Don't let his cooking fool you

user310756

15:29

and someone with a possible future cholesterol problem - just saying :D

Trasiva

Give a 3 year old a collapsible four foot sword

Watch the pure unadulterated chaos that ensues.

@Cereal I plead the fifth

user310756

oh no... I could give you some really bad present ideas

user310756

that your nephew will love and his parents will hate you

Trasiva

Oh, he gets all sorts of whistles, clickers, throwables.

His birthday this year he got a miniature golf set. My parents' ankles haven't been the same since.

George Stocker

Perhaps alludes to why “assume good intent” was removed from the CoC?

twitter.com/kimcrayton1/status/1186663269458698242?s=21

rene

15:32

@Trasiva alphorn ...

Gwideon

has stuff cooled down here

user310756

get him a kazoo, he'll love it

Trasiva

He's got seven

user310756

your parent angles

mag

@GeorgeStocker they may remove it from the CoC, but people won't stop doing it

Trasiva

15:33

@rene I gave him a vuvuzela since it was easy to print, lol

user310756

omg! you're one step ahead of me- you are indeed a true villian uncle! :)

user310756

@GeorgeStocker it can be used to allow for stuff that's not so good as an end result, regardless of intent - I guess

rene

@Gwideon looks like we're in buying presents for a nephew now ....

Trasiva

This year for Christmas I'm getting him and my 1 year old niece a karaoke machine

user310756

how are you @GeorgeStocker feeling less stressed since stepping down?

Gwideon

15:34

good

John Dvorak

My pot plant has just attempted to commit suicide

rene

@Trasiva brutal ...

Trasiva

@JohnDvorak Took a dive?

John Dvorak

Yep

user310756

@JohnDvorak :( what did you do to that poor plant?

Trasiva

15:35

@rene Lol, you have no idea. I've now conditioned him to ask my parents for five dollars every time he goes to the bathroom.

John Dvorak

Apparently it didn't have enough work/life balance

user310756

was it a ...a ... cactus by any chance looks for Mags

rene

@JohnDvorak I've a pot plant in that died state as a reminder for the remaining four.

user310756

@JohnDvorak or enough water/sun balance

mag

@YvetteColomb had to take some precautions

make it a bit less easy to find me across sites and profiles

won't stop anyone determined but ...

user310756

15:36

@rene you really are an evil flower aren't you?

rene

yes

user310756

@mag I thought you were John's dead plant man!

Trasiva

@rene Reminds me of David Tennant in Good Omens, lol

@JohnDvorak That's why the bases I designed for a co-workers succulent planters I printed for him have nice big bases. On top of fitting both sizes in one.

John Dvorak

nice

Trasiva

And interlocking to make a solid base

canon

15:45

@JohnDvorak pot plant or potted plant?

John Dvorak

potted plant. Sorry.

canon

hah

John Dvorak

I do suppose I could get a pot plant, too

Tinkeringbell

They're nice :)

Bit smelly though.

John Dvorak

They're super-healthy as long as you don't attempt to set them on fire

Trasiva

15:46

They're pretty dope

Tinkeringbell

@JohnDvorak Yeah, that's because you're not supposed to smoke the whole plant...

John Dvorak

I wouldn't smoke it. I'd just mix it into a skin cream.

Emilie

@Trasiva Is it pun time?

John Dvorak

or maybe rub it wholesale. I'd have to do research on the specifics first, including how many plants I'm allowed to have.

Trasiva

@Emilie You bet your grass it is.

Tinkeringbell

15:50

@JohnDvorak Probably none. But I think as long as you stay under 5 here (Netherlands) they're just destroyed and no other severe consequences. For a country that's known for cannabis use, we're really, really slow on legalizing the actual growing of the plants.

Shree

@JohnDvorak just you mention plants and ping @rene

canon

@Tinkeringbell That's because your government is too high.

Tinkeringbell

XD wouldn't put it past them :)

We're generally a low country though.

canon

Oh, good... another podcast. Business as usual! :/

John Dvorak

> I was going to bust my dealer
but then I got high
then I got high
then I got high

Trasiva

15:52

Welp

Now that's stuck in my head

Time to go listen to Baby Shark

canon

wiiiiiire shark do doo do doo do doo

Tinkeringbell

Armin van Buuren - Blah Blah Blah (Official Lyric Video)

►

canon

btw, that "bullshit" bookmarklet is amazing

Trasiva

Baby Shark Dance | Sing and Dance! | Animal Songs | PINKFONG Songs for Children

►

Tinkeringbell

@Trasiva So far, I've managed to happily avoid ever listening to it. I'm going to keep it that way :P

Trasiva

15:55

@Tinkeringbell Do iiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiit

djsmiley2k - CoW

I had the theme of fresh prince, in my head for months

i'd wake up in the morning, and it'd be playing in my head.

any idle moment and my brain be like "IIIIIIIIIIIIIN WEST PHILIDEL...."

Tinkeringbell

@Trasiva NOPE!

djsmiley2k - CoW

Eventually I sat and listened to it on repeat for about 3 hours and that stopped it.

Trasiva

@Tinkeringbell Let it go~, let it go~, just drop your inhibitioooons. Turn on your sound, move your mouse, and click that play buttoooooon.

Tinkeringbell

Honestly... If a lady says no, you respect that! :D

Trasiva

16:04

...well dammit.

You got me there.

I had another response based along the dumpster fire that SE has going on, but I decided it was in bad taste.

Tinkeringbell

It's the nuclear option :P

It always works wonders though XD

Trasiva

That's not fair

'cause I didn't assume your gender. :P

Cereal

Got'em

Tinkeringbell

@Trasiva You don't have to, I'm flaunting it about everywhere! :P

Trasiva

Halp! Police!

I need an adult

Tinkeringbell

16:08

Hi, I'm also 28 years-old. That counts as 'adult', right? :P

Otherwise... I believe there was someone in here about my mom's age...

Trasiva

I'm 30, and I don't count myself as an adult most days.

rene

Pfff, kids

Bart

@Tinkeringbell hahaha, that is sooo cute ... pinches cheeks

Tinkeringbell

@Bart Careful. That puts you in reach of the beak too!

Trasiva

@rene Hah, I say the same thing when my parents bug me about grandchildren.

Bart

16:10

Beaks, hammers, ...

Tinkeringbell

Poor Bart. The smiting stick is apparently not up to defend against those?

Trasiva

@Bart Battlestar Galactica?

Bart

Hahaha

Journeyman Geek

@Trasiva ah the joys of being match made. I bug my parents about doing it so they can have grandkids

Trasiva

I just enjoy my life too much to tie myself just for the sake of kids.

Cereal

16:16

Ah, join me in not wanting children

Trasiva

I'm not particularly sold on the idea of having kids, but if I ever settled down and my partner wanted them, I feel like I'd be up to the challenge.

But it's not a "I need to bring crotch fruit into this world" hard core need.

Bart

@Trasiva "Things not to say on a first date"

Emilie

@Trasiva But then once they're there, they have a way to become the only thing that really matters :)

Cereal

Plus you can make them mow your lawn

Trasiva

@Cereal They make machines that do that for you now

And you don't have to wipe their ass for two to three years.

Cereal

16:19

I mean you don't have to

You can probably litter train a child

Tinkeringbell

It's called potty training and they need to at least be able to move independently for that!

Hold up their own head, stuff like that ;)

Cereal

I'm a little upset there's no questions on parenting se about litter training your child. Where are these people's curiority

Tinkeringbell

I hereby declare @Cereal has failed the parenting test and is not allowed children for another year :P

Cereal

Poor cerbrus

Tinkeringbell

Oh wait... OOPS! I thought you were someone else :P

There. Fixed it XD

Now let's all stay quiet until a confused cerbrus returns :P

rene

16:26

points at the parrot ...

Tinkeringbell

I'm a parrot. I only repeat what I was taught to say.

rene

lol

Rubiksmoose

@Tinkeringbell Do you have a moment for a quick non-controversial comment clean-up here?

Gwideon

i don't know what to do

rene

@Rubiksmoose I asked for the same, she knows.

@Gwideon what's up?

Gwideon

16:38

i come in here and I see some really random stuff and have no Idea what to say. that tends to be what happens

@rene the sky. Also i'm fine just a little stressed.

Shog9

Dogs have three eyelids on each eye.

Cereal

I don't believe you

Gwideon

wait really

Shog9

You may not like it

But dogs come with built-in auto-deploying safety goggles and you don't.

Cereal

I have auto deploying safety goggles, they just aren't very good

Gwideon

16:41

well we do but we go blind when we use them

it's like welding goggles

Cereal

Wait wait wait. A dog has 3 transparent eyelids?

John Dvorak

No, just three in total

Also, Vulcans have three ears

terdon

@Gwideon Nobody has any idea what to say. Which leads to random stuff. Which leads to nobody knowing what to say. It never ends!

user194636

@JohnDvorak :wat:

Cereal

@terdon Colloquially referred to as parliament

Trasiva

16:50

I leave for 20 minutes for standup

And it's like the circus came to town

John Dvorak

@194636 They have the left ear, the right ear, and the final front ear.

Journeyman Geek

@Shog9 they do?

user194636

@JohnDvorak Oh dear I walked right into that

user58

@JohnDvorak That's bad. Even by my standards.

terdon

@Cereal Ah, you must be British. My condolences :(

Journeyman Geek

16:52

@user58 you have standards?

John Dvorak

@terdon does any English-speaking country have it good?

user58

@JourneymanGeek that is a fair point

Trasiva

I don't have standards, that's why I'm here.

Tinkeringbell

@Rubiksmoose Can it wait until after dinner?

terdon

@JohnDvorak Why limit to English speaking? But the Brits have particularly good reason to be disappointed in their parliament at the moment.

John Dvorak

16:55

Czech here. Our politicians are too busy with other stuff to ruin the country.

I do suppose that same approach would work with SE - a year's worth of free booze, crisis averted.

Trasiva

@JohnDvorak Czech mate.

Although my good 3D printer is also from the Czech Republic.

John Dvorak

I don't even have a functional 2D printer. Although I do suppose the only thing it's missing is liquid ink.

Trasiva

If you're near Prague, go check out Prusa. I'm pretty sure they do tours pretty regularly there.

John Dvorak

Thanks for the tip

Trasiva

The only downside is that assembling the printer is like a six to seven hour process.

Cerbrus

17:06

@Tinkeringbell Oi!

Trasiva

@Cerbrus To be fair, wolves should not be left in charge of human babies.

user58

Don't tell @Zoe.

terdon

@Trasiva One word: Mowgli. I rest my case.

Trasiva

That wasn't wolves

That was a panther, and then a bear.

@user58 Don't put that bad juju on me.

Cerbrus

It might explain why I don't like human(oid) babies... At all.

Trasiva

17:13

I mean, I like baby carrots and baby corn.

user58

Romulus?

Trasiva

I just don't do babies.

Cerbrus

> "Honey, let's try and be rational about this. Have you seen a baby lately? They just eat and poop, and they cry and then they cry when they poop and poop when they cry. Now, imagine an ogre baby. They extra cry, and they extra poop!"

Trasiva

I get that reference

Cerbrus

That last line makes it hard not to get it xD

Trasiva

17:15

Pffht

terdon

@Trasiva no, it was wolves

Trasiva

Huh, I'll be damned, you're right.

terdon

The panther was the wise old man figure :)

Rubiksmoose

@Tinkeringbell oh definitely. Sorry. I shouldn't bug you here.

John Dvorak

Idea for the next Noita update: add a metal bucket as one of the possible objects at the mines entrance. Kicking it would be an instakill, with the game over screen sporting: "cause of death: kicked the bucket"

Tinkeringbell

17:29

@Rubiksmoose Oh, it's fine, no worries!. I'll finish desert and chat with Dad for a few minutes, and then I'll get to it.

Feeds

17:49

Ben Popper is the Worst Coder In The World – by Ben Popper

Ben Popper on October 22, 2019

I’ve spent the better part of the last decade immersed in the world of technology. I could give a lengthy lecture on the history of LIDAR and the future of self-driving cars. I could explain what’s so fascinating about artificial intelligence that can beat humans in poker and why we shouldn’t be afraid of robot overlords just yet. I’ve got a cocktail party’s worth of witty things to say about the potential for brain-computer interfaces and our very cybernetic future. Despite all my years as a journalist covering technology, however, the closest I got to working on the code that makes all …

Journeyman Geek

....

Oh...k....

Kevin B

?

Journeyman Geek

See onebox lol

Kevin B

right

that's what i'm questioning...

user58

Well obviously, Ben Popper is the Worst Coder in the World.

That much should be clear.

Kevin B

17:59

just seems like a smokescreen. Interesting how the frequency of blog updates skyrocketed with all the drama going on

Cereal

If it was a smokescreen, the smoke detector would be going off

mag

@KevinB that seems a bit far fetched

SmokeDetector

@Cereal ahem

user194636

I'll wait for the podcast

SmokeDetector

Error: No smoke detected.

mag

18:07

smoke detector has become sentient again :/

SmokeDetector

I, for one, am your new robot overlord.

12

Cereal

@SmokeDetector ಠ_ಠ

Zoe the transgirl

18:22

@Trasiva growls

Zoe the transgirl

18:40

@SmokeDetector If I light you on fire, would that be good enough?

SmokeDetector

That would not be recommended.

Zoe the transgirl

@SmokeDetector oh, but it's too late.

Trasiva

@Zoethetransgirl Don't tempt me with a good time dammit.

George Stocker

Robert Harvey was suspended for 7 days.

3

Zoe the transgirl

@Trasiva huh?

Trasiva

18:48

Really? Which comment?

Zoe the transgirl

@GeorgeStocker Not surprised. He's been going unnecessarily hard a few times

Trasiva

@Zoethetransgirl Oh, that's always my reaction when someone growls or gets fiesty

Zoe the transgirl

oh

George Stocker

Knowing how moderators operate, I assume it's a comment and I assume they already deleted it before suspending Robert Harvey.

Trasiva

True

He's been going hard on the paint lately

Zoe the transgirl

18:49

^

Trasiva

Kind of scorched earth-esque

mag

@GeorgeStocker huh. anger boiled over probably

Zoe the transgirl

That has happened a lot lately

mag

that feeling of hopelessness that the thing you thought was so great and you spent your free time building and maintaining all these years going down the drain

and you can't do anything about it, it's a lot worse then mere indignation

Trasiva

Probably especially as a former mod

Mods put a lotta hard work into keeping the exchanges nice

Now it kinda feels like the charred husk has been urinated on and left to die.

mag

18:55

can't imagine how much worse that is for someone that spent 10+ years on the thankless job of moderation

djsmiley2k - CoW

I....... i don't understand anyone who can do that

in a nice way I mean. I couldn't give up that much of my life.

Not for something that literally doesn't give back.

I think it's sad that I feel like this.

mag

idealism

the desire to make your mark on the world, to work on something bigger then yourself

djsmiley2k - CoW

hmmm I've got that

mag

why do people volunteer for anything?

meagar

> Not for something that literally doesn't give back.

djsmiley2k - CoW

18:57

the want. but. I don't feel like anything would be enough :(

Trasiva

@mag Because some people are masochists.

djsmiley2k - CoW

And I don't feel good enough either lol

mag

you do get something back

djsmiley2k - CoW

lol because it hurts.

mag

giving is its own reward in a sense.

meagar

18:58

It gives back tons of hilarious anecdotes.

terdon

@djsmiley2k-CoW it doesn't really take that much of your life.

mag

it gives a good feeling

meagar

... none of which can be shared :(

user58

It depends... do you look at it as "giving up" part of your life, or do you look at it as doing something with your life?

mag

I don't donate money out of altruism for instance. I do it because making a positive difference makes me happy.

terdon

18:58

And you can always take a step back if you feel the burn out coming.

George Stocker

@Trasiva It doesn't feel... good, I will say that. Especially when moderators have privately worked behind the scenes to guide and help SE see for the months and years leading up to this that this wouldn't really be the best way to solve our problems.

djsmiley2k - CoW

Maybe if i was doing it, I'd feel differently.

mag

I think it's sort of inherent in the human experience to want to rise above the me and here.

George Stocker

There are a lot of conversations happening behind closed doors, and at least recently there was only slightly more interaction between mods and SE inc than there's been between SE inc and the community publicly.

djsmiley2k - CoW

I thnk my life has burnt me.

mag

18:59

@GeorgeStocker probably that same feeling of helplesness but amplified

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