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5:12 AM

MORNING!

morning

Any ideas why everyone was so quiet last night? :P

Journeyman Geek

5:35 AM

@Tinkeringbell I was busy with work... Zzzzzzzz

@JourneymanGeek I still have about an hour of travel to go before I can say that!

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

@Tinkeringbell Commuter trains delayed again?

5:50 AM

@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog Nope, regular travel time.

So, 25% of your workday is spent on the train. I really dislike long commutes that come out of my pocket, but it's better than driving with frayed nerves.

@Rob 50

Just once a week though ;)

%

And technically it's walk, train, train, train, bus, walk

@Rob Yep.. 2 hours each way, including walking

And switching

Once I get over myself and get a car, I can do this in 45 minutes though!

I dislike part-time even more. It's handy if there's a coffee shop you can drop by and they let coffee on the train and bus.

5:57 AM

@Rob That can be done :) I usually get breakfast between train 1 and 2

I used to live 20 minutes from work but had no vehicle, so I couldn't take the direct route and had to bus for an hour - I let them know that I got up early to show up on time. When no raise was forthcoming and they'd chased off a few of the people whom were enjoyable to work with I left. They ended up closing 6 months later, the ungrateful bunch.

We have a lot of bridges around here. Whenever there's an accident, even a small one, it's at least a half hour delay. Usually there's one a week on one of the bridges. - So the rule of thumb is a short a commute as possible, and definitely not two bridges. Food and coffee availability along the way is a bonus.

@Rob I am going to have a similar convo with a manager today, as they're expecting me to add another such commute to my schedule, and that wasn't in the original agreement :/ that meeting is going to fun (not) and if I'm lucky I get a less sexist manager soon and can start anew... Ah well. At least it's a chance to get a load of frustration out of my system

You have a lot of meetings, or am I thinking of someone else ...

@Rob bridges are bad for traffic, I agree! Even with trains ... The amount of times I couldn't get to Leiden because there was something wrong with a bridge :/

@Rob There have been a bunch for me lately, but I don't think I've mentioned them all in here? So prolly someone else

6:13 AM

We have 'The Tube' (like London), there's no (normal) way for a vehicle to interrupt the train schedule.

@Rob That sounds a bit better :)

Over here, you sometimes have accidents involving trains and vehicles, those are a mess on the schedule

Mostly it's elevated so sometimes there's a view and sometimes the strobe lights of the tunnel.

The train has strobe lights too! Whenever there's trees besides the tracks ;)

Do you have click-clack?

That doesn't ring a bell

6:17 AM

Our tracks are ground at night and smooth as possible.

Click-clack, the sound the train makes going over the joints in the tracks, and squeels on the turns.

No Distraction Wizard

@Tinkeringbell local tour until night...

Oh yep! That too ;)

@NoDistractionWizard Really? :P

Click-Clack Sound

No Distraction Wizard

yeah, it's one of rarest days where I took a trip with office colleagues :S

@NoDistractionWizard Sounds fun though!

7:11 AM

@Tinkeringbell Holocaust Memorial ceremonies

hehe

@Mithrandir Ah... Those that I've seen on TV a few times, where the whole country comes to a standstill?

@Tinkeringbell yup, that's part of it

Well, that was about 15 minutes ago, where there's a siren and everybody stops for a minute of silence. Last night, there were survivors lighting candles, and songs, and speeches...

@Mithrandir two minutes

7:15 AM

felt like a minute

And think Israel is the only country where the Moment of Silence is "enforced" with a very loud siren sound...

Hello sirens, my old friend, I've come to hear your voice again

@Tink we have two such country-wide moments of silence: one for the Holocaust (today), and one for the fallen soldiers, which will be next Wednesday. (one day before our Independence Day)

status-wrong-siren

No Distraction Wizard

Was it on a silent hill?

Hmm ... looks like I'm missing @reply autocomplete on Chrome on Mac...

7:34 AM

@NoDistractionWizard mobile theme? No autocomplete there

No Distraction Wizard

desktop version, on comment thread

Hmm, suddenly borked for me @ office's PC...

> Uncaught TypeError: Cannot read property 'init' of undefined -- full.en.js?v=ef72c0db4bb0:7

focus(function() {
    StackExchange.comments.tabCompleter.init($(this))
}),

Looks like JS is broken on and off, yeah. Seeing related bug reports.

Guess someone moved too much cheese in their internal JS libraries...

yeah, they move to Typescript which is a good thing but that comes with regression

Maybe they will remove dependencies on jquery as well, for users behind a national firewall

No Distraction Wizard

Alright, thanks for the heads-up... now mobile apps have 2 advantages: "push notification" and "@reply autocomplete on comment"

7:49 AM

@rene what?! They change from jQuery to Typescript all over? That's HUGE change and will 1000% break zillion of things. Why??????

No Distraction Wizard

You should drop jQuery and use TypeScript...

@ShadowWizard no, typescript is to replace the stuff that calls jQuery, for now. At least that is how I interpret what I see and based on a single comment from Adam

@rene heh. Well, still looks like it breaks zillion of things.

it does, it will

Someone didn't hear about "If it ain't broken, don't fix it" theory, it appears.

No Distraction Wizard

7:56 AM

Legacy code. Legacy code. Leg code.

plz-delete android tudio meta.stackexchange.com/questions/327589/… @Bart @rene @Glorfindel

@ShadowWizard I think so... at least over here there's a national moment of silence next Saturday, but there will be no sirens ;)

@ShadowWizard well, they move to .Net core 3.0. That needs lots of fixing.

I've bountied two questions regarding the chat feed bot.

8:29 AM

@Sonic why didn't you vote to close this question?

Out of votes already? :/

@rene but that's server side, you mean .NET Core requires changing the client side coding as well?? That's.... bad and weird.

But since it's Microsoft.... no surprise at all.

@Tinkeringbell so how people know to stand still? How they know when it starts and when it ends?

@ShadowWizard Ehh. It's every year on the same day at 8 o'clock in the evening... :P

With sirens it's easy: as long as you hear them, you should stand still and be silent. :)

But traffic doesn't stop, though trains often do.

@Tinkeringbell so if someone has borked clock, they'll stand still in the wrong time? ;)

No Distraction Wizard

@ShadowWizard I can see it as an "opportunity" time to move from legacy code though...

8:34 AM

@ShadowWizard Actually, I think it's forbidden to just go and stand still on a highway, even for that ;)

@Tinkeringbell heh, well even here most people don't stop on the road, though some pull over and stop in the road margin (?) if possible.

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

@ShadowWizard Buggy script :(

@ShadowWizard Yeah, even that stopping in the road margin is only for emergencies over here, and considered unsafe in other situations. You can get a fine if you're stopped there for no reason...

@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog using script to vote to close?? So I'm glad it's buggy.

We should do those actions manually, by clicking something. Not let scripts do it.

Way too risky.

@ShadowWizard Meh... depends on what kind of script ;) This one is likeley the same one I'm using, that requires you to click something and then both posts the comment and votes to close ;)

It's still manual, but less clicks ;)

8:42 AM

meh... will never use such thing.

@ShadowWizard That's okay, but you don't have to treat users that do like some sort of super criminal :P

lol

Wasn't SO mod de-modded exactly for such reason? (i.e. using a script which got buggy and caused havoc)

That alone is reason enough to just not use such scripts, period.

@ShadowWizard Apparently, yes, for a few hours... though that wasn't a manual script then ;)

People use scripts for a lot of things, and only rarely for bad things. No need to make people feel like they have to defend using/not using scripts ;) Until the script is causing havoc, it's personal preference, and we should respect that

Of course it's not meant for bad things, but as I see it, many bad things happen when using scripts as result of bugs.

In this case it's not really bad, just missing close vote, but who knows, maybe other bug will cause the script to cast the vote on a different question? (e.g. with ID of the actual question + 1)

@ShadowWizard That's still not 'havoc'

8:47 AM

But hard to debug and detect.

@ShadowWizard Ehh... userscripts are very simple to read, even I can do it. Something like questionID+1 stands out ;)

@Tinkeringbell and parseInt(x.ID % 50);?

:D

(not to mention regex....)

@ShadowWizard I'm not sure who would develop a userscript like that, but if you ever encounter a user developing scripts like that, we can talk again ;)

No Distraction Wizard

wrote a userscript to flag all posts from a user as rude

@NoDistractionWizard Now that's a problem ;-)

No Distraction Wizard

8:53 AM

tested on own user ID

Still a problem, now you're flagbanned ;)

And prolly suspended too, for targeting people and abusing flags ;)

lol

No Distraction Wizard

well, I decided to halt the project, because apparently I couldn't flag own post as rude...

@rene waste of rep, I'm pretty sure chat is way down in their pipeline, somewhere near Area 51. :/

shame imo, chat would be better for teams then slack integration

8:56 AM

@NoDistractionWizard use sock

No Distraction Wizard

wore socks

@Magisch from the little I remember about slack, they have nice chat.

@NoDistractionWizard now use them to flag yourself

No Distraction Wizard

made a flag with a sock, and a stick

@NoDistractionWizard it stinks when you wave it...

No Distraction Wizard

... not with these scented socks (!?) (not affiliated! not eaten!)

9:10 AM

@NoDistractionWizard Baaad... :P

@NoDistractionWizard And what did you do with the other sock?!

9:25 AM

@ShadowWizard probably on their foot.

@ShadowWizard sure. What can I do? Sit on the rep? Buy bitcoins from it? Wait for 100K and hope for Swag? I'm not like you ;)

> rev 2019.4.30.835

Looks like work is being done...

No Distraction Wizard

"All-in" bounty...

Wasn't there a case for a rage quitter that bountied all their rep and then left?

@Mithrandir minor bug fixes most likely

9:40 AM

@Olivia right or left?

Yes.

@rene hehe, well I also waste rep on bounties :D

@Olivia Yes left or Yes right?

:D

yes, both. :D

It's a big sock ;)

One sock for two legs?? hmm...

Called trousers ...

No Distraction Wizard

9:42 AM

A scally one too ...

@rene depending on the person, that could take a few months

considering you can at most award 1500 reputation every day in bounties

At least @NoD isn't a spider...

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Q: Putting socks and shoes on a spider

A spider needs a sock and a shoe for each of its eight legs. In how many ways can it put on the shoes and socks, if socks must be put on before the shoe? My attempt: If I consider its legs to be indistinguishable, then it's exactly the $8^{\text{th}}$ term of the Catalan sequence. However t...

combinatorics discrete-mathematics proof-verification contest-math catalan-numbers

:P

@rene Did you see my new flower bed btw? ;)

@Magisch yes, only advised for long ragers ...

@Olivia no, where?

@Magisch so Shog will have to wait 236 days

9:48 AM

I'd show you, but every time I try taking a picture of it, it just ends up all blurry.

10:33 AM

@Olivia you need to focus ...

Journeyman Geek

@ShadowWizard I use a pro forma comment script. I agree with you for most part but daaaammmmnnnnnnnnnnn

Its not really humanly (or caninely or avianly) possible to hand write a comment for every single lost soul

today's a good day

For you perhaps ;) What's so good about it?

Today mr. Geek is a good boy :)

@Tinkeringbell got a nice raise in the yearly raise thing

10:41 AM

@Magisch Wooh! Congratulations ;) That is a good thing to make the day.

No Distraction Wizard

10→50😱

@Tinkeringbell Yeah, I expected 2-3%, instead I got 12,5%

@JohnDvorak Isn't he always?

@Magisch Nice!

More money to not spend for you ;)

@JourneymanGeek have it in a text file, which is always open alongside the browser. Copy&paste as needed. Done. No scripts. :)

@Magisch Party!

10:53 AM

@Tinkeringbell :/

@Magisch Just teasing you! You were the one that's always saying you don't spend much money :P

No Distraction Wizard

I usually don't spend much money. But when I spend it once... I went broke :/

@NoDistractionWizard I've got such a thing lurking in the future, when I want to buy an apartment... the thought of spending that much savings is already making me a bit anxious!

@Tinkeringbell and this:

Jan 17 '17 at 15:16, by Magisch

If I had that kind of money I'd probably donate most of it and be done with it

@Tinkeringbell Well yeah

11:06 AM

@rene it isn't easy. It consists of a single flower that appears to blur itself. :p

@Magisch I won't do it next time you get a raise ;)

@Tinkeringbell having more money within reason is always nice

@Magisch I know... it honestly was just a (poor) joke, and I'm not any less happy for you getting that raise :)

bit extra for charity, bit extra for spending if I can find something to buy that I want, more for saving to eventually move to scotland

@Magisch Sounds good :)

When was the next Brexit deadline actually?

I forgot o.0

11:16 AM

6 to 8 weeks ...

No Distraction Wizard

I see a few bug reports coming again... those TypeScript...

11:48 AM

@ShadowWizard A one time large sum of money is something else then regular income. You can manage and moderate your income stream to fit, but a large windfall is often more problem then blessing in the end

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12:58 PM

@ShadowWizard I dunno. Looks like a legit ghost hunting question to me! Guess we'll have to ask Zak Bagans whether he was contacted, if not, it was likely spam? :P

Zak Bagans 🧛🏻‍♂️

@Zak_Bagans, Las Vegas, NV

Host/Executive Producer Travel Channel's #1-rated series @GhostAdventures @HauntedMuseum NOW OPEN @TheDemonHouse Film is out now! NY-Times bestselling author

43k tweets, 969k followers, following 104 users

You first!

:P

@ShadowWizard Do you think he can see the ghosts of deleted posts? :P

lol

Oh well.. in case of doubt... I'm going to decline the spam flags in a few minutes if they're not retracted ;)

I'm not sure it's spam and don't want to accidentally apply any penalties...

@Glorfindel it's not even spam seed, just appears like planting key words, e.g. best free app, paratek, and more.

1:04 PM

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1:19 PM

When Anime & Manga graduates from beta:

user image

@MikeTheLiar if it looks like its a problem, maybe flag it?

cause in theory a site mod can knock it off HNQ permanantly

Journeyman Geek

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Q: Dealing with HNQ drama before it happens - how do we deal with questions that can lead to trouble?

Sometimes stuff creeps into HNQ that doesn't belong. While I'm a moderator of one site that doesn't get into the HNQ, and the worst I'd face on the other is a question that's decidedly meh, having a rough idea what to do when I see a potential hot button issue on another site in the HNQ list woul...

discussion moderation hot-questions

(^^^^ Don't mind me sock tag teaming.)

Pretty sure they can safely add "panties" to the HNQ title blacklist. Problem solved.

@ShadowWizard they could, but short term and long term fixen ;)

1:27 PM

Long term fix can be to let users choose what sites they want to see in HNQ

Start with some basic sites with no risks, then let the user add more.

Another thing I just thought about, not sure if it's on Meta, is to add flag icon in the HNQ sidebar itself next to each question. When enough people flag (even without rep), hide from HNQ and send to review.

Honestly though... are we now upset someone said panties?

@Tinkeringbell not me (duh) but can see why some would be.

It's not NSFW but it's about sex in general, in a way.

Hmmm.

hmm.. well, e.g. think if it's appropriate for 13 y/o people to see stuff about panties.

@Tinkeringbell I'm not upset at all. I'm very rarely upset by words. However, context is important and I don't know how thrilled my boss might be about a question regarding whether an cartoon character wears undergarments being a part of my internet traffic.

@ShadowWizard I mean, if you think the very concept of women's underwear is corrupting the youth, I don't know what to tell you.

1:32 PM

@MikeTheLiar So? Edit the title XD 'Is this claim about Tatsumaki's outfit true'?

Although that looks more like a Skeptics question than an Anime one, and now people land on a question about underwear without proper warning.

It's going to bite both ways...

Fun fact: only 11 panties in Tavern before @Mike arrived today with this. chat.meta.stackexchange.com/search?q=panties&room=89 :D

@MikeTheLiar Unless you click on the question at work... I don't see the issue. Surely anything more than a cursory glance will reveal how the HNQ feature works. If your boss happens to see that tiny title on the side of a question, then surely they can see that that's not the main part of the page.

But specifically asking if someone wears underwear as a matter of routine has a certain je ne sais quoi to it

hehe this (NSFW text) wouldn't pass these days...

@Mithrandir if it's that simple why do we even have a HNQ blacklist?

1:37 PM

@MikeTheLiar of course not, but e.g. if my daughter (8 by now but can still be relevant) would see such thing and ask me "What are panties? What are they used for?" I'll be in trouble. Guess "Type of underwear" would satisfy her, but still... don't think she should see such words in places where they're not expected. That's the point. :)

@MikeTheLiar yup

@ShadowWizard "But I thought they were edible?"

@MikeTheLiar hmm? lol

I'm just imagining a scenario where a young child overhears something about "edible panties" and thinks they're food of some description

Back when I was still working in kitchens, a friend of mine had the job title "Pantry Attendant", which just meant the cold line - making salads and desserts and whatnot. Of course, as according to Murphy's law, when he bought his first house, his job title on the mortgage was listed as "Panty Attendant".

Oookay. If you don't want question on panties about main, you probably shouldn't be chatting about edible ones in here either!

Topic change.

@MikeTheLiar rofl

1:46 PM

How's the weather over there?

Hot here

@Tinkeringbell cold and miserable. You?

30 celcius

We're not even gonna break 50 F today.

brr

1:46 PM

@MikeTheLiar wet and miserable, I've been told temperatures are still in their 10's (C)

which isn't really cold but it isn't warm either

That's what we have in mid winter here, yeah.

Now it's almost summer.

And I'm not @Tink!

is like 20c here

rainy ish this week which is a gift from heaven for the farmers

this is exactly the time of year you want rainy for maximum harvest

@ShadowWizard It's cold for a Dutch spring, but not unheard of. And we can use the rain, as far as I heard there's still a bit of a precipitation shortage from last year's very dry summer

@Magisch That's true.

the explosion in plant growth is a sight to behold

between last friday and today the path that I travel down to work has erupted in green :D

Someone asked on Lifehacks how to cross a river without a bridge since they have to pass it on their walk to work... not you, right? @Magi

1:55 PM

no. I do cross a small river, but there's a bridge

3

Q: How to cross a river on foot?

I walk about 1.5 miles to work, mostly along a busy, smelly road. There is an alternative route I could take of similar length along off-road quiet tracks which would be much nicer, but to take this route I need to cross a river. The river is maybe 20-30 meters across and slow-flowing, but there...

So not your sock? ;)

I do not employ socks

Oh wait, he's much more time on SO than you... so if anything, you might be his sock.... :D

for I am a cactus and cactus dont wear socks

@Magisch but socks do wear cactus! :P

user image

hiding all the socks before dog will eat them

:D

Journeyman Geek

2:01 PM

@Tinkeringbell no. But that the local mods should be made aware so they can make the appropriate determination in what to do

Such thing can easily start a new Twitter storm, but guess it will be handled better anyway.

@JourneymanGeek Oh, fine. But I'm not going to dictate what they should do ;) and making mods aware of stuff you don't really find a problem... I mean, I doubt the boss that doesn't like a small HNQ link is going to like seeing you chat about it

(I'm mean, I know ;) )

It's not about boss, it's about people seeing stuff they don't expect to see on professional programming site.

meh, thats an argument against the whole of HNQ

(and without a way to remove specific questions from there)

2:05 PM

There is now a preference to disable the HNQ

and userscripts were always an option

@Magisch yup, usually enough

But still...

They should let the user opt out the HNQ sidebar on the sidebar itself, somehow. Otherwise it's losing most of its effectiveness, people won't find the setting buried deep in the edit profile page.

@Magisch Yep! Same here... And even rainy days look as dreary as they do in winter when everything is fresh green

2:49 PM

@ShadowWizard sorry for that comment test

3:38 PM

@ShadowWizard sorry for this chat test

Sooooo

I'm bored.

What's up? Besides @rene pinging @Sha and apologizing for pinging him

Hey, I try to be nice and warn people upfront I abused their posts

You're abusing it wrong

I'm a novice abuser ...

Journeyman Geek

@Magisch and what gave us a way to remove questions

No Distraction Wizard

3:54 PM

@ShadowWizard well, I'd agree if the HNQ sidebar can be collapsed and expanded directly and any time from there, just like tag watching

1 hour later…

4:58 PM

@ShadowWizard I just watched an episode... it's funny! :D

1 hour later…

Journeyman Geek

6:03 PM

.... non-latin body on rus.se... seems... natural

that its in japanese though

And is asking, in Russian, for "English transcription" of that Japanese text.

Unclear if they want phonetic transcription or translation to English.

6:53 PM

@ShadowWizard So now your saying that the HNQ will have no panties, I'm with Tink and Mithr on this one; if it had said "men's underwear" would that prohibit you from excluding it (due to the need to be inclusive)? If there's something you shouldn't do at work, drumroll please .... Wait, I better ask, Geez I don't know 👺😳. You need that date you mentioned the other day, a lot of females don't wear underwear; even when wearing a dress, no details forthcoming.

A "Hide it I'm working" Checkbox is a feature-request for Meta.

Journeyman Geek

@Rob personally? I've thrown the mod there a heads up

its a determination they will need to make

Much of HNQ is workplace-inappropriate on any given day.

But the overwhelming majority of people use the default settings - it's a law. Additionally, many are not signed in to begin with.

So they will complain about HNQ ad infinitum, and discussions around this matter only generate more hot air.

An actual solution would be move HNQ back where it came from - some obscure option in a drop-down navigation menu.

7:14 PM

Like they did chat?

Was chat in the same multicollider too? Possibly.

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From the good old times when HNQ did not bother anyone much.

From Can the StackExchange™ MultiCollider SuperDropdown™ default to “inbox” rather than “hot questions”?

Before some PM decided that more people clicking more things equates to improvement.

naw, chat got moved up to an obscure option in a drop down navigation menu

just delete it

chat or hnq

if a site can't generate enough traffic on it's own without HNQ, it might not need to exist

SO certainly doesn't need any help from the HNQ

7:25 PM

@KevinB there's some sites I mainly see cause of HNQ

eh, SO's the outlier

So, you don't need those sites, and only visit them when distracted by their HNQ?

That's an argument for hiding HNQ.

sure - but I'm mostly on SU and MSE. (and lots of chat)

and HNQ might still be of interest

I hide it, but that doesn't stop it from impacting me, being a meta regular

Also ignore the associated tags on meta? I think I do that.

i don't think that'd be effective

7:30 PM

Unrelated: I thought of Enterprise as something hugely expensive, but pricing page says it's just 17/user/mo, compared to 5 for Teams.

Of course the initial setup is a nontrivial process, and there may be some fee for that... (The page does not say if the price depends on the chosen hosting option)

If you are working, researching an answer, being distracted and wandering off to visit the HNQ is unlikely to be productive; what's the chance that after using the search tools and getting an answer (or at least something to check) that visiting the HNQ (especially about underwear) is going to assist with programming (or whatever you do for work, and expect an answer on SE). --- Boss: Just work, don't mess around. --- Mom (from top of the stairs): Henry!, are you doing something inappropriate ?

(Parental Control APP blaring in the background)

considering the two most recent occurrences didn't use any hnq related tags, hnq just happened to be why the question is getting any attention.

The curl question was mostly a socmedia creation, not HNQ. SO isn't affected much by HNQ.

> When I drive around I end up visualizing deaths. i.e., I see kids walking on the edge of the road - cars driving by them. I imagine one tripping, and how they would be crushed. Pretty grim, but it leads me to picking paths to minimize these possibilities. -- Kyle Brandt at 11:25 AM - 2 May 2019

Yeah, I played Carmageddon too.

Guessing the game wouldn't be well received if it came out today.

for me i imagined i had a massive blade hanging out the window that'd slice everything in its path

Cool, I never won an add-on like that.

7:42 PM

lived out in the county, so there were no sidewalks, buildings, or pedestrians

> @_esqew Hey man, I am the guy with the SQL problem in StackOverflow. I just tried your SQL for my example and got that error. Need I change anything just for my example? Thanks. -- painterdrown at 10:40 AM - 2 May 2019

Like the scythed chariot!

Oh, so you are the guy with the SQL problem on SO!

And I'm that unfunny guy on the internet.

yes, exactly like that

8:15 PM

The tireshredder from James Bond, Goldfinger: youtu.be/j66l1YVmfZM?t=468

smileycreations15

8:28 PM

How can I get more users in my chatroom? (please don't say add to about me section or invitation)

make it worth being in

smileycreations15

@KevinB How? If it is empty, how can I make it worth joining the room?

Give it a purpose

Preferably one that isn't already covered by some other room

smileycreations15

@KevinB But nearly all topics are occupied by a room.

Then what do you need another room for?

8:43 PM

Here is an example of a porpoise-full room:

The Assembly

You know those boring town council meetings you never attend? ...

> Welcome to Aarthi-cast #1 : Video - jul 12 '13 at 22:01 by ManishEarth

Still on the starboard.

@smileycreations15 welcome to community building 101....

unrelatedly, but of interest blog.chriszacharias.com/a-conspiracy-to-kill-ie6

Yes, that's the site to raise the question on.

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Q: How can I encourage people to use the (secondary) chat feature on my community's software?

I have a site that I moderate where the main part of the site is strictly professional. However, there is a separate chat feature that I think people most don't know about. Bonding with others in the community seems like a worthwhile thing, but no one ever uses this chat feature. In addition, it...

site-growth chat-rooms meta-discussion

If this isn't exactly the question, create a new one.

If there's no conversation happening, you're essentially forcing new users to the room to start one. If they're not comfortable with that, it's a non-starter.

the room having a topic, or purpose, helps prevent that

so does having people actually in the room

Journeyman Geek

@smileycreations15 the correct question is "why would people want to be in my room"

2

Most rooms have a hook - a person, related site or topic

And even so, most of those rooms are ghost towns.

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Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

10:06 PM

@VoteDukakis As you probably saw, SE did introduce a mid-level product, SO for Business, which is priced smack in the middle of Enterprise and Teams

Yeah, the arithmetic average of the two.

Kind of surprising because SOB is closer to SOfT than to SOE.

For example, SOB is still a single team - it does not support multiple teams like SOE.

Which limits the size (impractical to have same information access level for everyone from customer support to SREs).

10:23 PM

Wow, you indeed have a lot of downvotes; 10(!) in the last 30 days. I am sorry for this. Yeah, keep out of it. I will upvote all your downvotes in the last 30 days just to clear this up. — usεr11852 1 hour ago

Yeah, that clears it up.

10:36 PM

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10:58 PM

Too many TLA

@JourneymanGeek cookies

@smileycreations15 the peak in my room was when some long time users of the room invited their friends to come from SO chat. But that was years ago. People come and go, even Tavern got days with nearly no activity.

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

@VoteDukakis Speaking of which: meta.stackexchange.com/a/312609/377214 (10k-only)

@Rob again, personally I don't mind those, it's more playing Devil's advocate and seeing the point of view of others. But yes, wording is crucial, "underwear" instead of "panties" is less likely to cause trouble.

Wish Derpy was here, feels like he could give a better explanation.

@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog heh forgot about it

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

@ShadowWizard They use the username Νеvеrꭑoꭇе

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spreading some yummy @Margarine on my sandwich

@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog I know. He left for good though.

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

He did?

11:11 PM

@Mar finally no dots but now you cause innocent people to get pinged too... ;)

@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog yes, MSE only. He's still active on other sites, and got Sugarcube Corner on SE chat.

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

Searching seems to pinpoint it to this incident

Yup. Last straw in a series of incidents.

Anyway... Sleep is Coming. :)

@ShadowWizard Do you mean that pony picture?

11:32 PM

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