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Get Answer Wizard

2:31 AM

Morning? Huh?

hhh... after deleting their account on MSE (ragequit?), they continue to criticize on Meta Tex.SE...

Journeyman Geek

2:47 AM

Not my problem g

user302202

3:37 AM

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A: Differentially methylated position analysis in a related sample?

I have you're answer I need a small Fee

user302202

Would be a shame if something happened to your answer.

user302202

> Times are gone for honest men

user302202

Soundgarden - Black Hole Sun (Official Music Video)

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user302202

Still needs r/a flags (20 hours): russian.stackexchange.com/a/18426

user302202

4:06 AM

Ah yes, the flair not showing without 200 rep was the main reason for my bounty too.

user302202

Jun 28 '15 at 5:35, by user259867

Successful maneuver: dropped a 100 rep bounty on Juan M's answer, which got him over 200 rep on Community Building, which enabled a flair, which I added to the CM list.

Sonic the Wizard Werehog

4:31 AM

@ArtOfCode Upcoming Interpersonal Skills election is not listed on your website /elections

Sonic the Wizard Werehog

5:17 AM

@JNat Please suspend this account network-wide; they seem to be taking their disruption to other sites (e.g. on a deleted account on this site): stackexchange.com/users/13379286/user49915

M.A.R. The Chemical Wizard

5:52 AM

@Mithrandir Yeah. tongue

It should just be a means of entering the new boring info, it should have no bearing on whether you forget it or not

And the novel thing makes no sense. When you have a memory card, YOU decide what to put in

So I'm thinking it was a bit late at night for you as well.

@SonictheWizardWerehog shakes head self-righteously

Mithrandir

6:28 AM

@M.A.R.TheChemicalWizard Well, it depends on if it behaves more like a USB port or an SD card. It should definitely act more like the USB port, but having it like the SD card could increase your memory capacity for stuff. So, like, you could upload all of school material and remember it, instead of forgetting most of it immediately because your brain can't handle an information dump like that all at once.

So sure, you could transfer all that information, but without some sort of memory, it'd be useless, because 99% wouldn't be remembered, because it's simply too much.

Magisch

Simple information storage isn't sufficient though

Imagine you have like a folder of 1TB worth of scientific data in your brain. That does nothing unless you also have the memory of whats in there and how to search it

Mithrandir

...this is sounding more and more like it's leading up to a Worldbuilding.SE question.

Magisch

The ordering of the information and meta-knowledge of its accessibility is just as important as the information itself. So if a brain chip works like a folder you can access like on a PC, it's less useful then you think

Mithrandir

So it has to basically be an extension of the memory functions of the brain. The problem then is we start with how does your brain decide what gets stored in that part - especially because the problem of being able to forget stuff is avoided if it's controllable what the brain itself stores there. If it's an extension of the brain that can't forget, that's going to cause some severe psychological problems.

So it could be a read-only memory section, that only takes input from an external source, not the brain itself.

However, then we run into the issue of not being able to alter it based on new information learned through other sources, such as a new discovery you read about, because the brain can't alter that information.

And if the brain can't alter it, then that also opens it up to abuse through brainwashing.

So we come back to being able to forget stuff without losing important information, especially losing information during a mass data transfer.

Magisch

6:47 AM

afaik the brain is constantly rewriting "re-indexing" memories

and the synapses itself are less like static storage and more like small processors

Get Answer Wizard

Make sure it's EMP-proof...

M.A.R. The Chemical Wizard

6:59 AM

And waterproof o.o

@Mithrandir That's actually probably easier than one might imagine, but we still don't know enough about the brain to make a factually correct assessment of memory compartmentalization

Jesus that is one LOOONG word

Oh, so SE finally did hide hidden communities in the network profile?

ArtOfCode

@SonictheWizardWerehog by design

Sonic the Wizard Werehog

@ArtOfCode What's the design?

More than a certain duration away is not to be listed?

ArtOfCode

Elections get input manually

Suvitruf

Hey, guys. Whom should I ask about this bot? ru.stackoverflow.com/users/322268/ibot

ArtOfCode

@iBug

Suvitruf

7:13 AM

Can't ping him here )=

Tinkeringbell

7:50 AM

@Suvitruf I can, if you haven't found any other way to reach out?

Sonic the Wizard Werehog

@Suvitruf Invite this user to chat (it's iBug, but they use a different username here on Meta)

@ArtOfCode So: if it's [status-bydesign], I hereby file a [feature-request] to change the design

Magisch

Mind you, Art is doing the whole thing as a free public service to SE voters.

Get Answer Wizard

@@MetaBugWizard

doesn't work :(

Sonic the Wizard Werehog

They're not pingable as they haven't chatted here in the last seven days; you need to either invite them or reply to a really old message of theirs

Shadow Wizard

8:07 AM

Good

Get Answer Wizard

I see NSFW. I open at the office.

Suvitruf

@SonictheWizardWerehog yeh, forgot that I can create tete-a-tete chat)

Sonic the Wizard Werehog

See, this is why I campaigned for not self-deleting Smokey messages (it turned out to be unpopular at the time so I dropped it then)

Shadow Wizard

@GetAnswerWizard NSFO too

Get Answer Wizard

(actually, I didn't have a chance to flag it)

ArtOfCode

8:16 AM

@SonictheWizardWerehog which is hereby status-declined

Sonic the Wizard Werehog

Why is that?

ArtOfCode

Because doing it any other way is more effort than it's worth

Shadow Wizard

Sounds like SE dev ;)

Sonic the Wizard Werehog

8:51 AM

@ArtOfCode No, I was referring to the feature request to add IPS to the site (which you previously "dismissed as by design")

@ShadowWizard For context:

4 hours ago, by Sonic the Wizard Werehog

@ArtOfCode Upcoming Interpersonal Skills election is not listed on your website /elections

2 hours ago, by ArtOfCode

@SonictheWizardWerehog by design

Tinkeringbell

IPS will be added when the time is there. The time to add IPS is not now. I don't see the problem?

Sonic the Wizard Werehog

It's all pedantic, really.

@Tinkeringbell In March an election that would take place in May was announced, and it was added to the election site fairly quickly

Magisch

The main question here is why do you care

Tinkeringbell

@SonictheWizardWerehog Yeah, it's pretty pedantic to demand IPS be added to that site and not all other sites that also are on the backlog.

Sonic the Wizard Werehog

You're right; it doesn't matter now.

Journeyman Geek

9:12 AM

→ 44 messages moved to Chimney

ArtOfCode

9:23 AM

@SonictheWizardWerehog yeah, same reason. More effort than gain.

I have a process for adding and removing sites, it'll get added by the time it starts

Shadow Wizard

@SonictheWizardWerehog yes I know

@AaronHall not all. I didn't dig deep into it, but saw answers offering valid different ways being deleted.

Mithrandir

10:13 AM

Imgur embedding seems to be a lot blurrier than it had been.

More flower pics coming over the next few days... @rene will have some not-blurry company.

Sonic the Wizard Werehog

@JourneymanGeek Be prepared for questions from <10k users asking how you were able to bump a question despite no "visible" activity

Journeyman Geek

uh - which question? The only one I did today was editing out a nsfw gif on a deleted question

Sonic the Wizard Werehog

Message edited for clarity

Journeyman Geek

I'd tell them its magic

Sonic the Wizard Werehog

@JourneymanGeek Thanks, that's very useful for me, as I have a user script that removes the system's spam masks

Journeyman Geek

10:19 AM

ah

Us mods see them anyway

Sonic the Wizard Werehog

Mods don't get spam masks?

Journeyman Geek

Nope!

Sonic the Wizard Werehog

Good to know; editing into FAQ.

Journeyman Geek

Not sure how that's useful for anyone to know ._.

Get Answer Wizard

._.

Mithrandir

10:27 AM

Ah, that's better.

Get Answer Wizard

no jpeg allowed XD

Magisch

@JourneymanGeek maybe it just serves sonic's unquenchable thirst for documentation

Journeyman Geek

10:56 AM

@Magisch too much documentation can be bad too

Documentation has to be relevant, not just detailed

and something like "mods don't have the 10k eyebleach filter" ... well

Get Answer Wizard

"The exact algorithm to detect serial voting is..."

Magisch

@GetAnswerWizard If you actually care, you have a sufficiently large dataset to come up with something closely approximating most relevant factors of the algorhitm easily

And guesstimate the rest

Get Answer Wizard

Nope, I'll leave the case to you ;p

M.A.R. The Chemical Wizard

@JourneymanGeek What . . . mods don't have the 10k eyebleach filter?

Journeyman Geek

nope

Magisch

11:06 AM

A lot of stuff on SE works by pseudo secrecy

that is not really secret but not easy access either

M.A.R. The Chemical Wizard

Hmm, how can I use that information . . .

Sonic the Wizard Werehog

Well, in these days, I actually edited in a very small proportion of "factoids" edited into FAQs...I can name at least two users who edited in more

Get Answer Wizard

I'm envy to those who have many questions frequently asked :(

Sonic the Wizard Werehog

Well, according to the tag wiki of faq, those posts are intended to document the "what, how, where, and when" of how the network works.

Most of my changes to FAQs (if you include anonymous ones) were massive changes explaining things or making grammar changes.

Not just adding in random factoids.

Shadow Wizard

@M.A.R.TheChemicalWizard blame @Oded

Sonic the Wizard Werehog

11:17 AM

Given that there now exists a user script to remove spam masks, I don't see a reason why the spam mask should be disabled for mods.

Journeyman Geek

11:35 AM

@SonictheWizardWerehog I try to keep site specific userscripts to a minimum

site functionality should not be determined by userscripts

Sonic the Wizard Werehog

It's not site-specific; it runs on all sites and kicks in as needed

There's also a clear indication ("post content normally hidden, but made visible by...")

Tinkeringbell

You kinda forget something: Do mods want to have a spam mask? If they did, there would likely be some kind of feature request...

Journeyman Geek

@Tinkeringbell that's actually a good question

@SonictheWizardWerehog SE is a site.

Sonic the Wizard Werehog

@Tinkeringbell Just expressing a personal opinion

I may not see a reason, but maybe others do?

As a matter of fact, there is a similar request, which would enable making a user script to reinstate it:

M.A.R. The Chemical Wizard

@ShadowWizard !!/blame

Huh

!!/blame

SmokeDetector

11:49 AM

@M.A.R.TheChemicalWizard It's Get Answer Wizard's fault.

M.A.R. The Chemical Wizard

Oded in disguise

Shadow Wizard

12:41 PM

@JNat cross site spammer for your gentle care. Thanks! :)

@M.A.R.TheChemicalWizard yeah he's @Oded's personal Wizard! :P

Sonic the Wizard Werehog

1:20 PM

!!/watch techjockey\.com

SmokeDetector

@SonictheWizardWerehog That pattern looks like it's already caught by Blacklisted website in body and Blacklisted website in answer; append -force if you really want to do that.

Sonic the Wizard Werehog

!!/watch teamglide\.com

SmokeDetector

@SonictheWizardWerehog You don't have code privileges, but I've created PR#2854 for you.

Sonic the Wizard Werehog

2:09 PM

!!/watch Quang Phú Đặng

SmokeDetector

@SonictheWizardWerehog You don't have code privileges, but I've created PR#2855 for you.

CalvT

!!/approve 2855

M.A.R. The Chemical Wizard

!!/assassinate James Bond

SmokeDetector

@M.A.R.TheChemicalWizard No such command 'assassinate'.

M.A.R. The Chemical Wizard

Oh boo hoo hoo, stop lying

Journeyman Geek

2:21 PM

SILENCE. I KEEL YOU

M.A.R. The Chemical Wizard

WELL I PEEL YOU

Magisch

2:34 PM

impawsible

fbueckert

As near as I can tell, the latest M.SE question is referring to...this?

Correction, second question.

Journeyman Geek

@fbueckert honestly, I'm kinda waffling between angry ESL acedemic and bayesian network

fbueckert

@JourneymanGeek ESL would be my guess.

Magisch

Guy in the office brought an arranged fruit and veg platter in lieu of birthday cake

these are delicious

Journeyman Geek

@Magisch was the cake a lie?

fbueckert

2:40 PM

It...holds together pretty decently, even if expected action is completely missing.

Magisch

@JourneymanGeek some people were supremely disappointed there was no cake or sweets

But I dont eat birthday cake and there is lots of good stuff left

Journeyman Geek

@fbueckert its clear he's angry about something

But what it has to do with MSE ...

and "I posted something on google groups and it won an unspecified award" ....

fbueckert

@JourneymanGeek Yep. Educated guessing says they invented the predecessor to anchor modelling, someone grabbed the idea and ran with it, and they didn't like it.

Journeyman Geek

or they think they did

fbueckert

And is now going on a tirade about plagiarazation, etc., etc.

I think it's actually kind of neat, because I've never heard of anchor modelling, and I love DB structures.

Journeyman Geek

2:45 PM

Which is possibly fine.

Shadow Wizard

@fbueckert appears to be a real thing, but got nothing to do with that user, who didn't mention any of this in their SO answer few months ago:

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A: What are the pros and cons of Anchor Modeling?

I will give one example so that professionals can see on real and important example, how bad "anchor modeling" is. Example People who are professionals in the business of databases, know that there are thousands and thousands of international standards, which have been used successfully in dat...

I can also claim jQuery was stolen from my own original ideas...

IMO we should ignore that person (troll?) and silently move on.

fbueckert

@ShadowWizard I'm having a seriously hard time parsing those answers.

Journeyman Geek

@ShadowWizard well, unless they can edit the post so its on topic here, without losing the fundamental point of the post....

M.A.R. The Chemical Wizard

3:43 PM

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Q: Duplicate does not satisfy me

Suppose i asked a question on stack and the site contains duplicate question.My question will be marked as duplicate What if the accepted answer of duplicate question does not satisfy me. So even though i am not satisfied with accepted answer of the duplicate question my question will be marked ...

My first thought is not enough mustard

Duplicate with some mustard or ketchup is very filling

Kevin B

heh, those are some long answers with almost 0 information

Feeds

I like to think that somewhere out there, there's someone whose personal quest is lobbying TV providers to add an option to switch their on-screen keyboards to Dvorak.

3

M.A.R. The Chemical Wizard

4:20 PM

Haha

M.A.R. The Chemical Wizard

5:22 PM

Smokey contenido no deseado! Contenido no deseado!

-12

Q: Whether Stack Overflows allows software solutions that are plagiarized (or are wrong)?

I think the answer is "yes". But I want your answer. I have solved some problems, in my opinion these problems are fundamental for computer science and are more general than "artificial intelligence", in a series of fundamental things. I presented my solutions on my two websites and at Google-us...

support

Sounds to me like they posted a discussion-like thingy and it was closed and deleted

And someone needs to tell them this isn't Reddit.

M.A.R. The Chemical Wizard

6:11 PM

🔺 Thanks for plenty of notice. — Rob 2 days ago

That's not an upvote. It's an upside down downvote

user302202

@Feeds Meh, too U.S. centric. Randall is usually better than this.

M.A.R. The Chemical Wizard

It's gonna be something-centric

user302202

Humanity-centric?

user302202

He wrote "we launched it" about Luna 2, for crying out loud.

M.A.R. The Chemical Wizard

This time the USofA. Khkh that acronym is so 1990s.

@GrumpyCrouton yeah...... we are in the era of "3 data points = undeniable proof" unfortunately :( — Patrice 12 mins ago

No we're not. It's ONE data point.

user302202

6:18 PM

Not "they [the wily Russians] launched it".

rene

6:44 PM

Why would you hide a tab if you can access the info on the tab anyway: stackexchange.com/users/11389854/invzbl3?tab=flair

Is this security by obscurity?

M.A.R. The Chemical Wizard

@rene More useful than that would be recent chat messages' pagination

@rene It's probably just obscurity by obscurity

rene

I take that as an answer

M.A.R. The Chemical Wizard

@rene Hi! Please do not add "thanks" as a comment. Don't forget to mark it as the accepted answer if it helped solve your problem, and once you have enough reputation, you can upvote the answer.

rene

I never tanked you

M.A.R. The Chemical Wizard

skeptics.stackexchange.com/questions/43820/… — Holy crap, let your body burn protein and see how nicely it'd melt your kidneys

@rene well den i just want sound polit y u r so rude

Sonic the Wizard Werehog

6:55 PM

@rene No longer obscure

M.A.R. The Chemical Wizard

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A: Is it possible to boil a liquid by just mixing many immiscible liquids together?

Yes they will boil all right. Sure, there might be some kinetic impediment to it if you let the liquids to settle in layers, but if you stir them so as to expose their surfaces, they will boil. This is what steam distillation is all about. As for the first law, it will hold just fine. You burn y...

This guy is the @rene of Chem.SE. Only much cooler, obviously

Endothermic

user302202

@M.A.R.TheChemicalWizard Please don't add "Hi" in a comment.

M.A.R. The Chemical Wizard

@AskQuestionWizard i wan sound moar wellcomming

JNat

7:13 PM

@ShadowWizard gone

@SonictheWizardWerehog gone

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