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Journeyman Geek

01:07

@SonictheIntrovertedHedgehog @SonictheIntrovertedHedgehog at the moment the mods consensus is that in most cases, we are not sure what the appropriate action is, and will defer to the CMs

Until such a point where we are confident it's the right acton

So unfortunately you will have to wait in those cases

Sonic the Introverted Hedgehog

@JourneymanGeek You sure the CMs know to handle the flags? I think they may be waiting on the mods to handle the flags, and it might be a deadlock.

Catija

Nope.

Sonic the Introverted Hedgehog

@Catija You mean, the CMs didn't know to handle the flags, or it's not a deadlock?

Journeyman Geek

@SonictheIntrovertedHedgehog we communicate with the CMs a fair bit

Sonic the Introverted Hedgehog

One of the cases is pretty blatant, though: it's an FR asking for a feature that has already been implemented.

Catija

01:15

@SonictheIntrovertedHedgehog it's not a deadlock, we're not expecting them to handle the flags, we just haven't had time.

Journeyman Geek

@SonictheIntrovertedHedgehog we're (amusingly) here to help with the community, not the mechanics

Sonic the Introverted Hedgehog

@JourneymanGeek Ah, I thought all the private rooms here were staff-only.

Journeyman Geek

@SonictheIntrovertedHedgehog nope

Not sure if there's any here be dragons rooms. Never pried deeply

Catija

@SonictheIntrovertedHedgehog Staff rooms are special. Private rooms generally work the same way here as on the other two servers.

ArtOfCode

@SonictheIntrovertedHedgehog given that I'm in one... :P

Sonic the Introverted Hedgehog

01:29

AH, I forgot about the room for Tavern ROs, which used to be gallery but has since been made private by a CM.

There may be some really old private rooms from the time Trilogy mods moderated this site

user302202

SO user 10000000 never posted...

user302202

At least he's not a spammer

Journeyman Geek

@SonictheIntrovertedHedgehog not as far as I can tell

But practically MSE mods don't work in a vacuum

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Repeating words in answer (87): X intercept of tangent line to a circle. by user641994 on math.SE

user302202

01:49

Computer Science has had a very uneventful moderation history.

user302202

2012-04-27 Pro tem mods appointed: Gilles, Raphael, Patrick87
2015-08-15 election: Gilles and Raphael remain, D.W. is added, Patrick87 steps down.
2019-02-03 election: Discrete lizard is added

Bookends

02:12

phew.. morning...

Journeyman Geek

02:32

@Mrs.Robinson eh. That's not a very nice thing to say

Rob

He is a nuisance.

Journeyman Geek

If a mod isn't living up to standards there's processes other than public pillory to deal with it

@Rob dosen't matter. We don't talk about people behind their back

Rob

I've said it directly.

As have dozens of people, including the Mods, over at Quantum Computing.

Journeyman Geek

@Rob dosen't matter. We don't do personal attacks. If you have a problem with decisions, feedback on meta. If you think a mod is doing a terrible job, use contact us.

This isn't the appropriate way to deal with it.

Rob

Hypocritical, chat.meta.stackexchange.com/transcript/89?m=7510736#7510736

afk

Journeyman Geek

02:43

@Rob I saw a problem with specific chat behavior on chat. I mentioned it in the hopes of seeing improvement. You're comparing apples and pandamelons

Also notice I offered to help fix the issue

For issues on chat, I deal with it on chat. As I have here

Sonic the Introverted Hedgehog

@Rob If you have a specific issue with a specific mod, bring it up on their meta, along with evidence.

Journeyman Geek

I actually recommend contact us - in my experience unless it's a super unpopular mod, it's going to be terribly received

And a CM will probably look at it and contact the mod if needed

Hm. Edits go wonky here

Catija

Are you on mobile?

Journeyman Geek

03:04

Yeah

My laptop has issues on wifi here

I should have brought my repeater ._.

Catija

03:15

Yeah, it's not here, its mobile. Happens occasionally.

Journeyman Geek

Ah

Mark Amery

03:46

Whoa, Cody Gray is back! This pleases me immensely. :)

Journeyman Geek

@MarkAmery .... It is spec-tacular indeed

Sonic the Introverted Hedgehog

Aren't SO mods expected to spend at least one hour every day handling flags?

Journeyman Geek

Nope

It's very much best effort. There is no formal obligation, and while it's recommended you spend half an hour a day modding - that real life can get in the way is understood

Sonic the Introverted Hedgehog

04:16

Yes, I know that mods can mark themselves as "inactive" if they plan to take a long break.

Catija

@SonictheIntrovertedHedgehog These are volunteer positions. While we do have more expectations of SO moderators than the general mod teams, this is really only held to if there's a shortage of hands. All moderators are allowed to take time off, we generally hope they'll tell us when they do, though, and have tools for that. If there's an overabundance of work and absent seats, that's a problem. If everything's getting handled and people feel comfortably busy, it's not.

Sonic the Introverted Hedgehog

True. I often see my mod flags on SO get handled very quickly.

Shree

05:13

cv-pls discussion off-topic How to implement real-time data in Angular 6 on two different modules?‭ - Aaditya Parmar‭ 2019-02-06 05:11:40Z

Sonic the Introverted Hedgehog

@Shree Voluntarily deleted by author

Shree

:)

Bookends

06:24

When moving comments to chat, are comments deleted by the mod, or Community?

Sonic the Introverted Hedgehog

@Bookends I believe it's by the moderator:

48

A: A guide to moderating comments

When should moderators move comments to chat? This option is available at any time from the mod menu on any post with comments: How you use it depends on the situation... Handling an active tangential or off-topic discussion Simply copying the existing comments to a chat room and leaving a ...

Bookends

Thanks!

Journeyman Geek

06:40

@Bookends there's a check mark for clearing them

Alternatively we can do it manually. There's a human (or other organic sopont) making the decision either way

Sonic the Introverted Hedgehog

@JourneymanGeek Curious question: if you use that checkbox, are the comment deletions attributed to you, or to the Community user?

Journeyman Geek

@SonictheIntrovertedHedgehog I never really checked

Attributed to the mod, thought this isn't visible to most users I suppose.

Bookends

@JourneymanGeek thanks for clarification

Journeyman Geek

Np

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

@JourneymanGeek Your "thought" confused me like hell the other day. Isn't it actually extra effort to type a "t"?

Journeyman Geek

06:54

@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ spell check is a pickle mistreated.

Bookends

hmm, that makes this feature a bit complex since the system cannot differentiate between normal comments deletion or moved to chat (both remove pending inbox notification), while mod's comment on deleted post retains the notification. Well, might be trivial to fix thought...

(my train of though is far away)

Journeyman Geek

@Bookends well, in theory migration to chat is a one time action so you would presumably run a check once on migration for pings

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

@Bookends "though" goddammit >.>

Inb4 someone makes the through thorough thought though joke.

BBL breakfast

Shadow Wizard

07:19

@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ it's viral

Or people just blindly count on the spell check/auto complete which prefer thought over though since it's a more popular word. (1,980,000,000 vs. 1,950,000,000 Google results.)

Those 30,000,000 makes a diffence, ya know. ;)

Alex

@ShadowWizard But how many of those 30,000,000 are the result of misguided autocorrects?

Tinkeringbell

07:34

Morning!!

Alex

Only two exclamations?

Tinkeringbell

I still have to work today :P

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

@Alex Gonna have a meeting with Nespresso probably

rene

> de-facto head community manager of SE

Alex

@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ Which team is Nespresso on?

rene

07:38

Not sure who that could be

@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ he brings the coffee?

Tinkeringbell

@rene Who else? :P

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

Inb4 they realize Nespresso is @rene

Tinkeringbell

But no, no Nespresso today. Though I thought that yesterday too...

Journeyman Geek

@rene considering the company dosen't refer to itseld as that any more.... ;p

rene

@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ mwhahahahahahaha

Shadow Wizard

07:40

@Alex 29,999,999 :D

Journeyman Geek

@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ who would have though

Shadow Wizard

@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ you?! Knew something was off.... :P

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

@JourneymanGeek Yay, you got it right! Here's some scooby doo biscuits

Shadow Wizard

plot twist: @M.A.R. is Nespresso

rene

@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ I'm going to tell today the { needs to be a on new line in all code. ....

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

07:41

Turns on a flashlight below his chin

Wait, crap. It's day.

Shadow Wizard

@rene Tim Post?

rene

you tell me

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

Pim Toast.

Shadow Wizard

I tell you

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

I tell I

Shadow Wizard

07:42

David is the new Jeff though.

rene

Not convinced

Journeyman Geek

Now I have a mental image of shabbily well dressed mobsters code named after their drinks ...

@ShadowWizard kinda sorta

Tinkeringbell

Okay, I'll tell a story and you all get to guess who Nespresso is: instead of cherry-picking code from one branch to another (which we don't want anymore) this person has now thought up a way to avoid having to do that: By not picking out what you want to keep, but by removing everything you don't want from 1 branch, then merge that branch into the next release branch, then put everything you don't want back into the development branch...

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

@JourneymanGeek You have two options: Take the blue drink, or the red drink.

Shadow Wizard

@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ or mix it to get purple

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

07:43

That's not how drinks work

They always turn into a gross muddy brown.

Journeyman Geek

@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ 'this is Kruig, Nespresso, aeropress and filter.... '

Shadow Wizard

@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ sure it is, people always mix drinks

Tinkeringbell

This person is also known from the now famous 'Is this code, which has your picture and name on it in GitLab, and a reference to a story on JIRA that has your picture and name on it, yours?'

Shadow Wizard

@Tinkeringbell sounds like a super smart and sharp person, who is fun to work with. :P

Journeyman Geek

@Tinkeringbell 'does it have a pointy beard? Then it's my evil twin'

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

07:44

Pointy person

Journeyman Geek

@ShadowWizard David is an awesome dude but I don't think SO needs another Jeff.

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

Jeff needs another SO?

Journeyman Geek

That's discourse.

Tinkeringbell

@ShadowWizard Don't start.

rene

@Tinkeringbell lol, I'm innocent. I'm using your avatar in both gitlab and JIRA.

Tinkeringbell

07:46

He's too used to working alone to ever properly function in a team, as far as I'm aware :)

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

@Tinkeringbell Einstein locked himself up in a room before shaking the world with a deceivingly simple formula.

Journeyman Geek

So... Basically as a small startup with a super focused market, SO (when it was SO) was full of generalists

Our first CMs were awesome folks who could do it all...

Tinkeringbell

@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ Perhaps. But that was Einstein. He's no Einstein :P

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

@Tinkeringbell Well then he'd shake the world back?

We'd go back to burning witches and feudalism.

By we I mean you.

Tinkeringbell

Sometimes that seems like a more worthwhile effort than trying to communicate with nespresso

Journeyman Geek

07:49

But as time went on, a lot of good folks specialised in things.

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

What did bad people specialize in?

Journeyman Geek

Being bad

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

That sounds like bad guys improved in a focused manner but good guys went off-topic.

Journeyman Geek

But you can have people great at one thing and not really good in 4

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

eagerly waiting for the punchline

Journeyman Geek

07:52

There isn't one ;p

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

You are inexorably bad at story endings.

Journeyman Geek

I'm just saying we can't really have a Benevolent Do It All Dictator again

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

I'm being honest, not unwelcoming.

Oh, thought it was gonna end in Jeff being tied to a wheelchair

Journeyman Geek

Naw

And shipped off the island

Poor guy

This is less a story that slightly educated potenfication

Bookends

Beneficial Dictating

Adrenaxus

08:00

Hello, not sure I'm asking in the right place, but I will try. A comment I made on SKepticsSE, where I simply asked another user about his opinion on a certain subject, got deleted by an administrator, following reason given "Personal opinions are not allowed here". Isn't this a bit exaggerated, to say the least? Thanks for any feedback.

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

Hey

Comments are meant to be ephemeral and may ultimately get deleted for whatever reason. There isn't such a high bar for deleting comments

Of course, this doesn't mean mods can go nuts with the deletions, but my point is there doesn't usually need to be such a strong case for removing a comment for it to happen

That said, some sites also have a problem with lots of problematic comments, usually noisy, chatty or opinionated, so they establish policies and per-site culture on dealing with them more aggressively.

Sonic the Introverted Hedgehog

@rene Shog. FYI I'm not the one who came up with that.

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

So a singled out comment might have nothing obviously wrong with it, but if it fits a pattern seen in too many unuseful comments that have previously been moderated, then it might get deleted.

@SonictheIntrovertedHedgehog monolog wrecker

@Adrenaxus ^

Also, you might look around a bit on Skeptics meta to find said policy meta posts on it, but I wouldn't recommend starting a thread on why your comment was deleted.

Adrenaxus

Thank you M.A.R. for the clarifications. I understand what you are saying and it makes sense. I guess I was a bit shocked about a rule prohibiting personal opinions, on a SKeptic forum... but ok. Thanks again.

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

The reaction to such posts usually mostly boils down to "why is it such a big deal?"

Journeyman Geek

08:06

@Adrenaxus skeptics is one of those sites with slightly strict rules cause of potentially controversial subjects

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

@Adrenaxus Well, the ideal Q/A on Stack Exchange is mostly devoid of personal opinions, and that's how these sites differ from forums in the traditional sense of the word.

Sonic the Introverted Hedgehog

Glorfindel came up with that word: meta.stackexchange.com/questions/312478/…

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

@JourneymanGeek Throw your spellchecker in the ocean. I know you can do it, it's like besides your ear.

The best I get is a "gulf" and it's way down

Sonic the Introverted Hedgehog

cv-pls meta.stackexchange.com/questions/323525/…

Adrenaxus

@JourneymanGeek Well, I wouldn't call prohibiting users from asking other users their opinion "slightly strict" but ok ;)

Journeyman Geek

08:10

@Adrenaxus well - the Hardline opinion is comments are meant just for clarifications. The softer line is somewhere like 'if it's not too long and vaguely on topic it can go later

Adrenaxus

@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ Thanks for the suggestion. Definetely won't post there :)

Journeyman Geek

To the point where they experimented with renaming comments on a few sites

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

@Adrenaxus skeptics.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/3858/… is what I find with a brief glance

Haven't thoroughly read it myself, but I potentially agree with the premise: Why should that opinion matter in the first place?

rene

Your opinion doesn't matter. What do you factually think about that?

Bookends

-5

Q: Are opinions not welcome on [skeptics], or only unpopular (ironically, skeptical) opinions?

I don't see any reason to be skeptical of any exaggeration, so I'd say "no, it hasn't been exaggerated". from Has the Holocaust been exaggerated? Apparently that sort of statement is worth +30 around here. Ironically, this so-called "skeptics" stackexchange: 1. Provides "answers" (that a...

discussion

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

08:13

@Adrenaxus Sometimes the OP formulates the question to validate their bias, but even then, I'm not sure asking if they're being biased will help anything

Bookends

hmm... maybe wrong meta reference...

Journeyman Geek

@Bookends that example ....

Quite frankly Holocaust denial is right down there with moon landing denial as far as wilful delusion goes as far as I am concerned

Bookends

My earth is hexagonal though...

Adrenaxus

Thanks, although it had nothing to to with political opinions. I do understand that political opinions are discouraged. I simply asked another user about his opinion on Plato's Timaeus Dialog. Having said that, I wont engage in discussions there anymore, now that I know that personal opinions are not allowed. I think personal opinions are really important, especially if you want to be skeptic.

Journeyman Geek

@Adrenaxus that's what chat is for

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

08:16

@Bookends I keep running on my Earth, it's round and it can't be stationary

Journeyman Geek

@Bookends and a spiderweb. And when the end times come.....

Adrenaxus

@JourneymanGeek Yes I discovered chat just now, will visit you pals more often, you seem like a decent bunch of ppl :)

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

@Adrenaxus Despite the obvious human element, a question and its answer should look more like a dictionary entry. Of course opinionated and chatty comments get removed but it's not because they're bad or something, just that that's not where they should be.

I am NOT decent.

Shadow Wizard

@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ meToo

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

More like deeuro.

Shadow Wizard

08:19

@JourneymanGeek it needs someone who can make things happen.

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

EU is pulling Zarif et al.'s legs that there's gonna be a separate route for economic trade

Harharhar. Funny.

Bookends

Also, we shouldn't be doing philosophy on Philosophy.SE, or any SE sites

Journeyman Geek

@ShadowWizard actually kinda. But I think the structure they are trying to put in in the long term can help

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

@Bookends Doing philosophy is so uncouth

You're lucky Derpy is definitely asleep and not playing some weird random video game only to come to chat to rant about its sequel or prequel.

Journeyman Geek

I mean I disagree on a few critical things but ;p

@ShadowWizard there's a big difference from SE in Jeff's reign and what it is now

Shadow Wizard

08:23

@JourneymanGeek that's true

Journeyman Geek

And of course that intervening period

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

"reign" you make it sound like he declined popular feature requests despite getting 200 downvotes on his response.

Journeyman Geek

I mean Jeff was the original CM in Chief, PM and guiding light of what happened.

I don't think it would work now

@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ that's kinda what I meant.

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

@JourneymanGeek Well we could use someone with one of those big party flashlights

Journeyman Geek

But the codebase is bigger, there's kinda 3 products to do with QA ...

@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ I'll try to include that the next time I apply to be a CM

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

08:26

A CM with an apostrophe issue . . . the horror

Oh I'm kidding. You wouldn't be too terrible.

Mithrandir

High praise, that is.

Bookends

Terrier, not terrible

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

It puts the 0 in 0scars.

Journeyman Geek

@ShadowWizard well that's an interesting point - basically there's a load of technical and cultural debt.

And rather than having a 'face man' one of the big challenges SO has is actually getting folks able to tackle meta.

It's nice having CMs as a bridge but it feels like we're too scary to everyone else.

Bookends

Catija is doing well with being responsive on some smaller meta sites :)

Journeyman Geek

08:36

Yup

Derpy

@JourneymanGeek the genius is back. Same picture as yesterday.

don't know what tools the staff has at its disposal, may want to escalate

Need a flag with a link to the profile?

Journeyman Geek

Eh I'll just nuke

Flag it

In theory enough nukes should have them in blocked

Never mind. Gone @Derpy .

Derpy

08:56

yep, noticed

Journeyman Geek

Looks like they posted and got smokeyed. Definitely a spammer

I'll see about ganking Smokey's RSS feed for meta at some point

I use it on SU to handle users who smokey post deleted

Derpy

09:22

@JourneymanGeek or some other mod noticed it and deleted it.

....... is it normal that OUT OF THE BOX the picture web part on Sharepoint Online is trying to get me to use an MLP themed background for the page?

Journeyman Geek

09:58

@Derpy more likely smokey. Organic spam hunting is hard

Shadow Wizard

@Derpy of course, it knows you.

Magisch

terrierble

just barking

rene

!!/report meta.stackexchange.com/a/323531/158100

Shadow Wizard

!!/report meta.stackexchange.com/q/323530/152859 "spam seed"

@JNat cross network car dealer... should deal them some nuke. Thanks! ;)

Tinkeringbell

^ I already poofed the one on MSE :)

SmokeDetector

11:05

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword with email in answer, email in answer (160): Jindal Vijaynagar Share Certificate by Nitesh Rajput on money.SE

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in body, potentially bad keyword in body (98): with its efficient results by user160654 on wordpress.SE

Bookends

Apparently Slack has 800 employees, and SE has... 250+ employees?

Well, it's 243... unless some employees don't have SE account at all

Journeyman Geek

@Bookends that's possible

Office staff. Chefs...

Bookends

What, they don't have accounts on Seasoned Advice!?

Journeyman Geek

Apparently not

And I wonder what the breakdown is on slack.

Derpy

@JourneymanGeek they tried, but then the users of the site went on strike, saying that "burinating spam" doesn't qualify as outdoor cooking

Bookends

11:21

burinating is... too typo-phobic...

Shadow Wizard

@JourneymanGeek correct. businessinsider.com/chefs-at-stack-exchange-2014-2

Those two don't have accounts afaik.

Journeyman Geek

Not sure if they're still around but yeah.

Shadow Wizard

@JourneymanGeek what breakdown?

Bookends

And out of 250, how many codes...?

Shadow Wizard

@JourneymanGeek probably not, the twitter account is nuked. :(

Bookends

11:28

If SE only has... 3-40? software engineers, then maybe it's hard to implement all popular feature requests...

Journeyman Geek

@Bookends yup

But SE had that public, slack does not

Slacks probably lighter on infra folks though

@Bookends also until recently q&a wasn't the main product

Bookends

how about... comment (2nd-class citizen)... or chat (3rd-class citizen)? ;p

Journeyman Geek

Hm. Yup

But also what drives priorities

Bookends

implementing a feature request to migrate 2nd-class citizens to 3rd-class citizen is...

Journeyman Geek

So... Management major hat firmly on

There was, to me a few issues with careers as the main revenue stream. Basically it's a saturated market with many strong incumbents. And no ongoing revenue stream

The nice thing with what SE does now is that no one else does Q&A better - there's no real competition in that space. Of course there comes the fun part of balancing new users and retaining veteran users

puts hat away

Magisch

11:42

@JourneymanGeek competition in Q/A isn't magically impossible though

Myspace et al have stories about "there's no real competition in that space" and then 2 years later they were literally supplanted.

Bookends

I can't answer because I don't know other Q&A sites out there (well, maybe other than Yahoo! Answers)

Unity Answers? Physics Overflow? MSDN? Google Groups? Quora? Reddit???

Derpy

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@ShadowWizard hat does not fit, please switch back to old avatar :P

Magisch

university dropout hat on

I still became a software developer

puts hat back into the bin

Derpy

Journeyman Geek

12:11

@Magisch ah. But the secret isn't in the format imo

@Magisch I dropped out twice actually

@Magisch the secret is really in building and curating a tool that is useful

Also the joke is I hated management classes. My computer forensics and ISM classes were more fun

@Magisch also it's easier when you're the biggest name. But also the folks people want to change it to fit their worldview too

rene

12:37

//!report meta.stackexchange.com/q/323536/158100

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

@rene fail facepalm

rene

yes

Magisch

apply a palm plant directly to the face (flower)

Journeyman Geek

12:53

@rene spammer surgically removed. With nuclear fire

Sonic the Introverted Hedgehog

13:21

cv-pls one-more-close-vote-needed meta.stackexchange.com/questions/323537/…

Bookends

I came back and welcomed by a GIF? 😔

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

Now I always freak out a little when I hover over my own comments

Bookends

0

Q: Should we invite hurting users to come discuss it in chat?

Trigger warning: depression, suicide, anxiety What brings me to ask this question today is because I recently created a Stack Exchange proposal which scope may partially overlap the IPS scope. One of the proposal's followers raised that concern and I was dazzled by that answer to the question:...

discussion scope questions

Might need to tread carefully

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

How common does it happen on IPS?

Tinkeringbell

@Bookends Just posted an answer there... We had those kind of discussions before ;)

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

13:32

I agree with you though; even people that identify with severe problems need professional help. On the interwebz we don't even know if they identify with it!

I am seriously thinking about murdering time. Provide some emotional support pls kthxbye.

Sonic the Introverted Hedgehog

Speaking of which...is there a special procedure mods have to follow if one makes a suicide threat in a post?

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

@Bookends I just realized I can pronounce your name "And the route".

Tinkeringbell

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A: What's the official SE response to serious mentions of suicide or self-harm in posts?

Scroll down for updated, ready-to-use comments. I think Shog9's answer to the Meta Software Engineering question is good enough: I hate to sound callous about this, but... This isn't a support group; y'all probably aren't trained to deal with the outpouring of grief and despair of someon...

SmokeDetector

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Bookends

Maybe I have thought too far then, until "we might help emotionally, but we can't even guarantee their physical security! If you said 1 wrong word that might trigger their traumatic memory, would you be responsible if they suddenly not responding to you anymore?"

okay, that's too dark...

Sonic the Introverted Hedgehog

13:37

@Tinkeringbell Those are normal user actions. I'm asking if a moderator has to do anything specifically. For example, on Wikipedia, there is a special "emergency" email address one can use to contact them about such things.

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

@Bookends You're the hero we deserve, but not the one we need right now.

Bookends

Yeah, I'm dark, but also yellow 😶

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

@SonictheIntrovertedHedgehog Call CMs? Moderators are basically monkeys with g . . . normal random people with special powers.

Also the post did mention what mods can do

Halt all activity with locks and pinging CMs.

Journeyman Geek

@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ dogs and birds

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

@Bookends The only color I hate more than dark yellow is blinding pink.

@JourneymanGeek You can both be a dog and a monkey

BELIEVE

NEVER SAY NEVER

DON'T BE EVIL

Bookends

13:41

Catdog.

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

Wait, that one is different

Journeyman Geek

More or less - there's a few factors here. Mods shouldn't have to go through the mental anguish and stress of dealing with these situations

Our ability to do things is limited

@SonictheIntrovertedHedgehog we ping a CM

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

@JourneymanGeek I just said BELIEVE like two minutes ago

Journeyman Geek

We also contact them in other ways if needed

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

You're close enough, if you wave your hand Tim probably can see it

Journeyman Geek

13:43

Naw, not really

Bookends

👋👋👋👋👋👋

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

And I think we're ignoring a major point: What the heck can a random person do in such situations, mod or not?

@Bookends Good idea. It's actually probably more efficient than two, four or eight hands

Six is always magical. Proof: honeycomb

Tinkeringbell

@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ Well, I don't know about there, but over here you have suicide helplines/chats that are mainly staffed with random person volunteers... Though they had a bit of training on how to handle, probably.

Journeyman Geek

@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ exactly

Tinkeringbell

And government is also doing awareness things that say you as a random person can make a difference.

Sonic the Introverted Hedgehog

13:46

@Tinkeringbell There exists one in the United States as well

Journeyman Geek

And that's why mods are not expected to deal with it

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

Now why didn't humans come up with six hands? Vertebrates are dumb

Tinkeringbell

so apparently there is something a random person can do, though I'm not even sure what.

Sonic the Introverted Hedgehog

And if one doesn't exist in your country, you could just make an international call to one that does

Journeyman Geek

@SonictheIntrovertedHedgehog of course assuming said suicidal person has the spoons

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

13:47

@Tinkeringbell Regardless of training, when you volunteer there, you expect to be in touch with such people, and when you volunteer here, the biggest mental anguish you should be seeing is WHY THEY DOWNRATE.

That makes all the difference

Tinkeringbell

@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ Not entirely true :P I knew volunteering on IPS would come with a lot more than just 'Why Downvotes?!'

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

@Tinkeringbell "Why close votes?!1!"? That's much worse

Also the free speech 'enthusiasts'. Censorship Exchange

Bookends

That one is hard.

Journeyman Geek

@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ eh. There's a bit more lol

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

@JourneymanGeek You get the point. Also you have a wrong perspective on the hate mail from the US marine. Feel the love

Bookends

13:54

Also, latest impression of IPS.SE:

> Our Interpersonal Skills site was created with a belief that maybe there were enough questions in this space to be tackled with an almost academic-like approach — but even there, the community is struggling to make this work in our format. - How should we focus the Neurodiversity proposal to set it apart from existing stacks?

Tinkeringbell

@Bookends You seem to be trying to improve my mood today :P

struggling isn't the same as failing, luckily :)

Magisch

My avatar is happy at least

I'm pushing millimeters in TeX based report templating

Tinkeringbell

I must admit I like looking at it, it cheers me up :)

Derpy

MLP: Friendship is Magic – ‘Smile Song’ Official Music Video

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M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

@Magisch Oh that brings back some nightmares.

Mithrandir

13:57

@Tinkeringbell Try this:

Marconi Union - Weightless (Official Video)

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Engineered to relieve stress

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

@Tinkeringbell When everything else is struggling, I picture a guy that's about to drown in the ocean, but when an SE site is struggling, I picture an active meta with people that care, so not sure it's a negative thing

Granted, sometimes they chase their own tails

But parrots are smarter than dogs.

Proven by science.

Bookends

@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ Lies! posted a question on Skeptics.SE

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

The alternative is the apathetic look of a site's regulars at a mess that's supposed to be neatly categorized. (Yeah I'm talking about meta.ELL, and yeah, I'm biased)

@Bookends If you include Trump it'll hit HNQ

"Did Donald Trump claim parrots are smarter than dogs?"

Or, hmm, "which one is smarter, Trump's dog or Trump's parrot?"

Tinkeringbell

Hey, no ruining parrots with Trump

Parrots are fun and apolitical.

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

With a link to democrats bashing Trump's parrot's influence in his decision making

@Tinkeringbell There's no such thing.

Magisch

14:02

@Tinkeringbell ~~Polly~~ Tinkeringbell wants a ~~cracker~~ government by and for the people

Bookends

... why did I suddenly imagine a parrot sitting on the White House ._.

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

You're either alt-right, or alt-left. No shift keys.

Tinkeringbell

@Magisch Tinkeringbell doesn't really care about the government :P

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

@Bookends That's how the presidents function about half of their decisions

Now this is a smashing thread:

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Q: Add a button to scroll me to my answer if I navigate to a question that I have already answered

If I open a question that I have already answered, I think it is better to show some icon or link telling me something like, "You have posted an answer to this question." This will scroll me directly to my answer and let me reuse that information. For example, this could look like:

feature-request answers information-display navigation

More like a healthy rep loss diet.

I hope one of the four upvoters can confirm what the OP is about.

rene

14:17

@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ if you were the last to answer on one those contest questions, it is likely you won't immediately find your own answer. Having an navigation option near / at the question resolves that.

Bookends

14:39

Possible with userscript? search for inquestion:[current question ID] user:me

Journeyman Geek

@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ I'm pretty sure he wants a pre emptive warning he has answered it

But apparently not what we have now

But also a quick link to his answer

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