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Sonic the Introverted Hedgehog

00:44

@Shog9 Is my analysis of a certain issue correct? Are any one of my proposed fixes technically feasible?

ArtOfCode

00:58

@SonictheIntrovertedHedgehog Is this ping necessary?

Sonic the Introverted Hedgehog

@ArtOfCode There might be something I'm missing. For instance, I don't know why one of the spam-deleted questions I linked wasn't properly deleted as spam, or why the post linked in the question that was deleted as spam wasn't deleted by Community, but by normal users instead.

Catija

@SonictheIntrovertedHedgehog If it were me, a descriptive link or link text would be preferred... When you obscure it like that it takes more effort to actually see if I have anything to say.

ArtOfCode

@SonictheIntrovertedHedgehog What I'm getting at is "does this need verification, or could it just be left as a non-official answer?"

Sonic the Introverted Hedgehog

@ArtOfCode Also, I want to know from SE whether they consider the issue to be an "edge case not worth fixing", or if it's worth applying one of my suggested fixes. Or, there may be another fix I haven't listed.

ArtOfCode

Same question.

Sonic the Introverted Hedgehog

01:02

It's tagged as a bug, which means sooner or later it needs a status tag.

@ArtOfCode My answer simply lists the cause of the bug.

It can't be used as a non-official but official citation.

ArtOfCode

Um... I hate to break it to you, but there are hundreds if not thousands of un-status-tagged bugs on MSE.

Sonic the Introverted Hedgehog

Unlike, say, this other answer of mine.

ArtOfCode

My point is - in the interests of reducing the number of frivolous pings to CMs, particularly Shog, you could forgo verification here and just leave your reasoning there for others to make what they will of. Let the CM's decide on their own whether they respond to that one, rather than making it on your schedule.

Catija

Amusingly, the 2 button works fine for me.

Sonic the Introverted Hedgehog

@Catija It didn't work for me, though.

Catija

01:06

OK.

Shog9

01:39

@SonictheIntrovertedHedgehog yep, that's exactly correct. Good job!

The work-around should suffice for now

Sonic the Introverted Hedgehog

@Shog9 Thanks! Are any of my fixes feasible, or is it too much of an edge case to deal with?

Shog9

It's... Not a difficult thing to fix. I'm just not sure I see any payoff in fixing it.

Sonic the Introverted Hedgehog

@Shog9 Also, why is the post linked in the question showing as deleted as spam or offensive? It was voted to delete by users, and I normally only see that if it was flagged six times and deleted by Community.

Shog9

It doesn't actually have to be deleted as spam/offensive. Just needs to have helpful spam/offensive flags

(and be deleted)

Sonic the Introverted Hedgehog

@Shog9 I don't think that that's the case. As far as I know, one helpful red flag just triggers the spam mask. It by itself doesn't cause the URL slug to not show or the deletion to be annotated as "spam or offensive".

e.g. this question.

As far as I can tell it was deleted because the user was destroyed, hence by Community. But despite a spam mask, the URL slug still shows and the deletion notice doesn't say "this question was deleted as spam or offensive".

Shog9

01:48

@SonictheIntrovertedHedgehog nope

There's something else unique about this question that's triggering that message

Well, not exactly unique

Sonic the Introverted Hedgehog

@Shog9 That it's locked?

Shog9

There you go

Here's a pretty similar question on SO to compare with: stackoverflow.com/questions/133556/…

And another that doesn't exhibit this particular behavior: stackoverflow.com/questions/2119826/…

Sonic the Introverted Hedgehog

@Shog9 So if a question with active red flags is locked and deleted, it triggers the "question was deleted as spam or offensive" annotation in the deletion notice and the URL slug behavior?

Shog9

yep

Sonic the Introverted Hedgehog

Thanks for the insight!

Shog9

01:53

> I just watched a cherished part of SO history deleted before me. When "boat programming" disappeared, I laughed; when "programmer cartoons" vanished, I smiled contentedly. But this... for the loss of this, I shed a tear. It was easily one of the most inappropriate questions ever asked on SO, and I will miss it. Join me, please, in commemorating this question: sidle up to your lady, take her in your arms, and, with smoldering eyes and gravelly voice, tell her the SQL joke.

and myself

02:33

Just saw "Last message 14 hours" on here and thought "WUT!?", apparently the websocket froze...

Monica Cellio

02:51

@Shog9 what was the SQL joke? :-)

Shog9

That pickup line from the question

Monica Cellio

I missed the question. Apparently I'm not up on my cherished SO history.

and myself

Join..?

user302202

03:36

@MonicaCellio web.archive.org/web/20180220043248/https://stackoverflow.com/…

user302202

> A SQL query goes into a bar, walks up to two tables and asks, "Can I join you?"

Monica Cellio

@Mrs.Robinson ah. It's been a while since I've heard that one. Thanks for the link!

Journeyman Geek

It's fun when you're waiting for your baggage, the power blips and the conveyer belt stops...m

user302202

Entertainment (2015 film)

Entertainment is a 2015 American drama film directed by Rick Alverson, starring Gregg Turkington, Tye Sheridan, and John C. Reilly. It is loosely based on Turkington's Neil Hamburger character. The plot follows a stand-up comedian as he performs in various locations where the audience is either hostile or indifferent to him. Alverson, Turkington and Tim Heidecker co-wrote the film. The film premiered at the Sundance Film Festival in 2015. It was released in a limited theatrical release by Magnolia Pictures in North America, and through video on demand in November 2015, receiving a generally positive...

Journeyman Geek

If this was a movie.... Someone would kick it to start it

user302202

03:40

Sorry Rick Alverson, Stack Overflow got there first.

Alex

04:00

@JourneymanGeek I vote for kicking it.

and myself

@JourneymanGeek Did you try to turn it of... oh wait, never mind...

Sonic the Introverted Hedgehog

04:51

@JourneymanGeek That used to happen at the old international terminal at Mumbai so many times...

Journeyman Geek

06:06

@Alex I would too. And some choice words in tamil

Alex

Well, share them with us of you do.

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

06:17

@Mithrandir There is a reason the M.A.R. method works™. Reason 1: I invented it

rene

06:34

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SmokeDetector

07:05

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M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

07:18

It's counterproductive to generate this much noise for every mishandled flagging attempt. — Kaz 12 hours ago

Am I the only one who thinks this is the most valuable comment there?

and myself

Keep flagging and move one...

SmokeDetector

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M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

@andmyself Flag? I wasn't being sarcastic

It is the best comment there

Goes with the Shog spirit of things too

If I saw something I flagged as R/A that should have gone was edited instead, sure, I might open a meta about why it stayed

But everyone knows that post wasn't gonna stay, and the only reason for the (in)valid decline could be choosing the wrong flag type

So opening up a meta post about it is ALREADY overthinking it in the first place, and of course it'd be expected that any disagreement in the answers would stem from questioning the validity of the decline itself, not the post outcome

rene

@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ then upvote it ...

and myself

@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ well, I didn't mean to flag that comment. I meant to keep flagging the posts as you believe, and move one if declined...

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

07:27

There would have been a little value if this is so recurring that the mounting number of declines would dissuade an avid flagger, but is it common enough?

SmokeDetector

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rene

I wouldn't rule out that 90% of the Meta posts are in the category someone is wrong on the internet

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

@andmyself Oh cool, we're debating something with one pro stance and no cons

That's the 2019 way of debating

@rene Proving that that someone is wrong is sometimes beneficial and sometimes pointless

rene

I'll prove to you that 90% of the meta posts are pointless ....

SmokeDetector

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M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

07:39

@rene Prove it.

I have the time, you can haz a dump of all the posts I guess

Do some wizardry

@SmokeDetector K

Haha fail

and myself

Heck, my declined comment flags on Anime.SE is 30% :p

rene

weaffles

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

@rene Spam itself

Combine post text with username

@ArtOfCode That's a hyphen.

rene

waffles

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

> Unnathihomes is a new contributor. Be nice, and check out our Code of Conduct.

rene

07:50

sd del

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

@rene Be nice ಠ_ಠ

rene

del-pls 20k+ discussion Not about Stack Exchange Network software / cc @sha @bar @glo @tra Multiple Monitors Configuration on Ubuntu‭ - Osama Sy‭ 2019-01-31 06:08:10Z

and myself

@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ In my language, "nice" is translated as "ಠ_ಠ"

Shadow Wizard

@andmyself נחמד

@rene no glow for @glo

Tinkeringbell

morning

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

08:02

Mroing

Mithrandir

mooring

rene

goeiesmorgens

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

Guten Morgen

صبح بخیر

Shadow Wizard

בוקר טוב

...and the wave continue. At this point I'm pretty sure it's due to the Developer Survey, though no idea how.

Maybe one of the questions refers to MSE?

Is there offline list of all the survey questions?

Tinkeringbell

All clean again

Shadow Wizard

08:15

For 10... 9.... 8.... ... seconds

umm.... now that's.... ugh

!!/report meta.stackexchange.com/a/323223/152859

roomba spam... lol

Tinkeringbell

Much spam this morning. That's the third one I saw

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

They're celebrating the new mod

First pixelated human mod

Tinkeringbell

I'd love it if they did that when said mod is actually online then.

Shadow Wizard

oh, @MonicaCellio congrats for mod-ship! Guess it's more of an honor title than actual need, unless I missed something. :D

Tinkeringbell

Nope.

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

08:21

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Q: Past Perfect Used Instead of Simple Past Tense in 'The Kite Runner'

I'm currently reading 'The Kite Runner' by Khaled Hosseini, and notice that in some place in the book, i can't really comprehend the use of past perfect tense instead of simple past tense. Consider this paragraph: "Yes." It was the shortcut to school. I remembered the day Hassan and I crossed...

Tinkeringbell

You didn't miss a thing there. We were doing fine with three ;)

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

Now why the hell are ELL questions more frequent?

Tinkeringbell

This does mean everyone should flag more, as there were already not so much flags for the three of us to handle...

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

@ShadowWizard Three unmonitored pets can wreck havoc

Shadow Wizard

@Tinkeringbell well, yesterday the off topic wave did overflow for few hours. :)

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

08:23

@Tinkeringbell Oh really?

Tinkeringbell

@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ Really. :)

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

I had developed this subconscious thing that because devs should be devving not handling comment flags, I shouldn't go around cleaning stuff here

Tinkeringbell

People kinda unlearned flagging here as processing them took so much time ;)

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

I didn't realize that now things have changed and I can

6 to 8 and my subconscious will realize it too

Tinkeringbell

Wow. Okay, there's a lot of off-topic questions :/

rene

08:31

flags everything

Shadow Wizard

I guess Shog or balpha can check the traffic logs and see what's going on.

Or, just leave it like this and let dozens of people get angry and frustrated.

(not us, those we close and delete their questions.)

Sonic the Introverted Hedgehog

So I'm thinking of a method of how to ban comments from users whose comments end up getting deleted as violating the Code of Conduct. I'm thinking of making it like how flag bans work: if a threshold percentage of comments made in the last 7 days get flagged and removed, the user should be warned, and if past a higher threshold, the user should be temporarily banned.

Shadow Wizard

@Tink how many off topic questions were there yesterday in MSE? How many were there, e.g. 10 days ago?

(should be easy to find with closed:1 deleted:1 search for example)

Sonic the Introverted Hedgehog

@ShadowWizard Should be easy to find in 10k tools

Shadow Wizard

I suspect it's about 100 yesterday vs. 10-20 before the survey began.

@SonictheIntrovertedHedgehog nah, it's showing very partial list.

Tinkeringbell

08:36

I'm counting 27 in the last 24 hours

Mithrandir

@SonictheIntrovertedHedgehog it'd be much easier to just give mods the ability to take away the comment privilege...

Sonic the Introverted Hedgehog

@Mithrandir True, but I think there should also be automatic bans, because it's possible for comments to be automatically deleted if enough users flag them.

Shadow Wizard

@Tinkeringbell oh. Felt like much more. Oh well.

Tinkeringbell

Only 16 marked 'yesterday'

Sonic the Introverted Hedgehog

One thing is that while flags can be explicitly marked helpful, comments can't, so we can't implement the way it works for flag bans exactly because that considers the handling time of flags, without regard to flagging time.

rene

08:38

@ShadowWizard just shows how incapable we are at guesstimating ...

Shadow Wizard

Hmm... just to be sure, the "Custom question lists" is the New New New Nav, right?

(as the New New Nav was shut down.)

Sonic the Introverted Hedgehog

So what do you think of this system: if 10% of comments made by a user within the last 7 days get deleted as HBA or UoU, warn the user, and if 25% of comments get deleted for that reason, ban the user temporarily.

Tinkeringbell

We already have an excellent way to stop such amounts of rude/abusive comments.

It's called a suspension

Sonic the Introverted Hedgehog

@Tinkeringbell Do moderators have easy records of users' comments getting deleted automatically in response to normal users flagging?

Tinkeringbell

We get an automated flag, and we have the comment history/annotations.

rene

08:43

@ShadowWizard yes, maybe you missed a new there ...

Sonic the Introverted Hedgehog

> Warning! Some of the comments you've made recently have been deleted as violating the Code of Conduct. Please be sure to familiarize yourself with the Code of Conduct before commenting on this post.

> Attention! Too many of the comments you've made recently have been deleted as violating the Code of Conduct. You'll be able to comment again in [x] days. Until then, please be sure to familiarize yourself with the Code of Conduct.

@Tinkeringbell I was just thinking, IPS has a problem of too many comments not being abusive, but too chatty, etc. (in general, no longer needed). Maybe we can have a per-site setting for "no longer needed" flags to also count towards said automatic bans, and up the thresholds in that case.

Tinkeringbell

Bad idea. IPS also has a lot of useful comments, that are deleted after edits.

I don't want the few people that do genuinely care about moderating IPS caught in the throes of an automatic no longer needed ban

Sonic the Introverted Hedgehog

@Tinkeringbell I guess things were a lot better when "too chatty" and "obsolete" were two separate flagging options.

Then you could exclude "obsolete" flags while including "too chatty" flags.

Magisch

A lot of "no longer needed" comments were at some point ... needed

Shadow Wizard

@Magisch yup. banning users because of past mistakes is awful idea.

and myself

08:50

@ShadowWizard AFAIK no, and you can go through all the questions quickly by skipping the optional questions (I have done it twice before)

Shadow Wizard

Suppose I wrote 100 comments 7 years ago, which are no longer needed, and got deleted in a batch. If this lead to a comment ban, I'll quit the site. Plain and simple.

Sonic the Introverted Hedgehog

@ShadowWizard To be clear here, my general idea only takes into account comments made in the past 7 days.

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

@SonictheIntrovertedHedgehog ARE YOU SERIOUS

Sonic the Introverted Hedgehog

@ShadowWizard So those 7-year-old comments wouldn't count.

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

Or are you a hedgehog?

Because if you're serious, I wanna downvote your chat message

BRB proposing a negative number of stars

Sonic the Introverted Hedgehog

08:51

@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ Okay, that's a little...unfriendly

Shadow Wizard

@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ he's the opposite of you.... aka always serious, yeah.

Sonic the Introverted Hedgehog

@ShadowWizard But I'm a hedgehog too

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

Dang

Yin and Yang

Shadow Wizard

@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ Ding and Dang?

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

I'm the 'and'

Shadow Wizard

08:53

@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ so who is @and?

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

And I would have introduced other vowels to that if this was Den

@ShadowWizard Myself

Shadow Wizard

@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ Irene?

Mithrandir

Automatic comment bans just seem like a bad idea. Instead, raise an automatic mod flag and let the mods know about the potential problem and let them decide if it warrants action.

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

@ShadowWizard imdb.com/title/tt0183505/mediaviewer/rm2680161792

Shadow Wizard

Finally image host you can use? :D

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

08:56

@Mithrandir Hmm. I imagine cases where it would definitely not go amiss are users who've already caused enough trouble to be noticed

@ShadowWizard I can use an Iranian image host as well, it's just not built into SE

So it's mostly just coping with you guys when there's a funny image with 12 stars and everyone's going LMAOROFLROTF and I'm for the most part "Haha yeah what a funny image . . . loading bar"

Sonic the Introverted Hedgehog

Would it be a good idea for an FR though, to have the NLN option separated back into two separate options for chatty comments vs. obsolete comments on IPS?

Shadow Wizard

@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ that's sad, yeah. :(

Tinkeringbell

@SonictheIntrovertedHedgehog Why? Both are deleted anyway. I'm not going to decline one or the other if the comment has to go. NLN fits IPS just fine :)

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

The reason NLN exists is not its definition

Shadow Wizard

@M.A.R. OK, here's an amazing picture you must see!!1!!!!

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

09:00

It's mostly a "this comment should go but this dude is alright" flag

Tinkeringbell

Besides... comment levels on IPS have dropped, and we're not in need of automatic comment bans, nor do I think we will be soon.

Also... where does this thing with using IPS as an example for features come from?

Shadow Wizard

@Tinkeringbell you

Mithrandir

Tinkeringbell

There's more sites in the network than just IPS

Shadow Wizard

@Mithrandir you win! :P

@Tinkeringbell you came from IPS, not from more sites. ;)

Sonic the Introverted Hedgehog

09:02

@Tinkeringbell I mean, there is an autoflag for HBA and UoU flags; this would allow for other things such as an autoflag for too many chatty comments. Or, the feature I proposed above.

Shadow Wizard

(i.e. as mod)

Tinkeringbell

Usually, you don't propose changing the entire system based on a problem on a single site.... and that problem isn't even there as much anymore.

Sonic the Introverted Hedgehog

@Tinkeringbell Note that I said "per-site setting"

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

UoU looks more like the reaction of the flagger than the abbreviation for the flag

Tinkeringbell

So I feel this is going to need a much stronger example, that isn't IPS or any other single site.

Sonic the Introverted Hedgehog

09:03

AFAIK The Workplace also had a similar problem for a while.

Mithrandir

@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ ...

(Maybe knock down the language a tad?)

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

@Mithrandir Would you like to listen to music while you wait?

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M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

Ruins a Beatles song

Mithrandir

i've got this on:

Set it all free lyrics ~ Scarlett Johnsson

►

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

09:06

@Mithrandir Currently applying a healthy dose of one uncensored cuss word per week

Mithrandir

@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ looks like you just got flagged for it, though, so might be a good idea to make it once a month or so

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

I did? Oh well, can't edit it now

I was being offensive to . . . people with digestive problems?

Whatever

Mithrandir

Anyway, that GIF was actually just the loading circle that chat uses, so....

Tinkeringbell

I'm not sure what's with the chat flags this morning... but surely we can all act like adults and use our fancy words when communicating?

2

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

Oh, phew. Gone. Thanks @Tink

Tinkeringbell

09:10

You're welcome. Be more careful in the future though.

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

@Tinkeringbell Really, I didn't evaluate the climate to be particularly sensitive, and I was making sure it didn't have a level of snark against anyone any more than my normal message. IMHO it's just a case of someone deciding what might offend others, or someone trying to be consistent with applying an ill-defined standard, the best response to which is shrugging it off and moving on

That's about all I have to say about it

Where's the "how to get legit rep fast" master dupe?

rene

@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ here: meta.stackexchange.com/questions/17204/…

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

"Six simple tricks" doesn't cut it

@rene I kept searching for "tricks" and that's why it didn't show up

I don't think it's particularly useful as a dupe master, TBH

I've always been hesitant to point people to it

Esp. that people asking for tips in the first place are new

There is the self-imposed high bar for answering for these OPs, and that just means if they post something, it's most probably not going to be trash

And the first thing the post is saying is to break that barrier at the cost of having posted something

rene

@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ write a better answer to it then?

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Sonic the Introverted Hedgehog

09:21

!!/report meta.stackexchange.com/a/323235/377214

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

@rene Isn't it locked?

SmokeDetector

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M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

@SmokeDetector K

rene

@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ I didn't check ...

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

I just checked

Tinkeringbell

09:24

Is it wise to close a question as a dupe of one that's historically locked?

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

@Tinkeringbell I don't think that being histo-locked per se makes it ineligible

This does:

> asked

9 years, 5 months ago

Sonic the Introverted Hedgehog

@Tinkeringbell Jeff Atwood was the one to lock it, was one of the last actions as a moderator he took.

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

It's been the master for how-to-get-rep octuplicates for quite a long time

Sonic the Introverted Hedgehog

Also getting quite a laugh out of this deleted answer

Tinkeringbell

@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ 'It's not considered a good on-topic question for this site' but we're going to close this as a dupe instead of off-topic... seems a bit fuzzy to me ;)

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

09:28

@Tinkeringbell Well, the post sucks anyway because it's old, and I doubt it was meant to be a dupe master. Countless questions have been duped to it though

The point I was trying to make since the beginning was that maybe the best thing to tell a new user is not to break the barrier that prevents them from posting bad answers, but to look around a bit and edit things.

Benefits: A quarter of looking around gives them a better idea of what posts are received how well

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M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

Edits — the urge to improve something instead of creating it from scratch — helps them self-teach how to post something that wouldn't need much of editing to get into shape

@SmokeDetector K

Someone put a leash on that bot

Asking people to suggest edits seems like the PERFECT way for regular SE users to start out in another SE site

It would be less than perfect for almost brand new OPs, but it's much better than asking them to try to be the FGITW

BBL studies await

rene

@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ agree on that

Sonic the Introverted Hedgehog

09:46

@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ And allow spam to run on the network?

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

@SonictheIntrovertedHedgehog I meant Lets Learn Tech not Smokey

Sonic the Introverted Hedgehog

!!/blacklist-username Lets Learn Tech

SmokeDetector

@SonictheIntrovertedHedgehog You don't have code privileges, but I've created PR#2617 for you.

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Sonic the Introverted Hedgehog

!!/watch sitechecker\.pro

SmokeDetector

@SonictheIntrovertedHedgehog You don't have code privileges, but I've created PR#2618 for you.

Sonic the Introverted Hedgehog

10:01

@Tinkeringbell The last sentence in your user script suggests to authors that they should delete their question, but as a moderator, you already do so. Is it possible you can change that sentence to be in the past tense? Ex. "Your question is off-topic here on Meta and has been deleted here."

Mithrandir

"better off deleted here" when it's already deleted is like "it's better this way"

Tinkeringbell

As far as I know it says 'is better deleted here' without saying who should do the deleting. It's fine.

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in username (92): Второй раз не работает USB в Ubuntu by ViMax Studio on ru.stackoverflow.com

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

To be fair, quite a number of ESL have a problem with the weirder "better" constructions

Sonic the Introverted Hedgehog

...and a large proportion of the blatantly off-topic posts show little knowledge of English

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

10:09

Present perfect is better since prescriptivist copycats have adequately quantized it for easy swallowing

SmokeDetector

10:32

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Blacklisted website in answer, potentially bad asn for hostname in answer (93): Audible iTunes Linux by Jonny Gomes on unix.SE

Tinkeringbell

10:52

Wooh! I found a bug :D meta.stackexchange.com/q/323242/369802

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Link at end of answer, potentially problematic ns configuration in answer (61): How do I make dynamic pages powered by WordPress Search filter pro SEO friendly? by Bangladesh Apparel on webmasters.SE

Mithrandir

Yay or nay?

Tinkeringbell

That's very blue

Mithrandir

It is, yes

Sonic the Introverted Hedgehog

@Mithrandir I'm a traditionalist so nay

Mithrandir

11:12

I set the topbar to be pure black everywhere, and changed the backgrounds for a couple sites (such as Meta.SE and SFF), based on @Art's script

Tinkeringbell

It's not too ugly

rene

Current Status: deploying incomplete components to prod. The bundler didn't include mandatory dependencies ...

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Link at end of answer, repeated url at end of long post (160): Really Hot Laptop by Thomasjack on superuser.com

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in answer, potentially problematic ns configuration in answer (87): What can be done to make a trainer work quieter? by K. Mikes on bicycles.SE

Tinkeringbell

@rene Hah.

Even that doesn't sound too bad compared to what they're doing over here ;)

Someone dared to mention the word DevOps... I'm not even allowed to push new config (belonging to my code) to a T environment (config is also not in version control :/)

rene

@Tinkeringbell well, it is the stuff I touched yesterday ... so I kind of feel embarrassed ... someone is trying to figure out who to blame ... I bet it will be me ...

SmokeDetector

11:22

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Repeated url at end of long post (100): Some questions about the lottery preparation by Thomas jack on mathoverflow.net

Tinkeringbell

Take it with grace and bring roze koeken to work tomorrow

rene

@Tinkeringbell awesome .. :/

@Tinkeringbell good idea!

Tinkeringbell

:D

> Thanks for the report - we'll remedy this in a bit. For context: we're testing, specifically on meta (and only for half the users - 1/2 servers)

Guess that's why you were unable to repro

Also... that was the fastest status-planned > status-completed I think I've ever seen.

And I was looking forward to seeing more broken stuff! :P

rene

@Tinkeringbell My colleague just responded that it went "volgens verwachting". I'll ask after the stress levels have normalized if that means that if I touched the code base things are bound to break or that every deploy goes like this....

Tinkeringbell

Probably both :P

rene

11:26

I don't rule out that option

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Pattern-matching website in body (97): best vaccum cleaner by saheem on money.SE

Tinkeringbell

Nespresso is mad again today too. He broke something, and was told as it was his code that broke stuff, he should be the one to fix it, instead of expecting another team to adapt their codebase to allow his code :P

Would've loved to have seen the look on his face when he got told that yesterday, as I wasn't there (sadly)

rene

lol

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in title (98): Is Magento is right platform for beauty product website? by NectarBits Inc on magento.SE

Tinkeringbell

And I'm running a fever I think. Two hoodies, a 'dekbed' and a fleece blanket, and I'm still shivering :/

Ugh.

rene

11:32

@Tinkeringbell yeah, I have the CV on 22 here .... cold ...

Tinkeringbell

Oh, so it's the weather? good.

rene

it is not raining and the snow is non existing here.

Magisch

Been snowing all morning here

Tinkeringbell

There's a bit of snow on the rooftops here, but the rest melted.

It was looking so promising yesterday :(

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

That's called the Tabriz weather syndrome

I hate it when that happens

It'd feel like the sky is showing you one of those "Hahahaha no" memes.

Sonic the Introverted Hedgehog

11:40

@Tinkeringbell Did you measure your body temperature?

Tinkeringbell

Yeah, it's cold

My fingers seem to be freezing off

Sonic the Introverted Hedgehog

Also, coating yourself with tons of layers when your body temperature is already very hot isn't a great idea.

Shadow Wizard

@Tinkeringbell so no fever for you! :D

Tinkeringbell

shivers

rene

@Tinkeringbell aren't you exaggerating a bit?

Shadow Wizard

11:43

!!/report meta.stackexchange.com/a/323244/152859

SmokeDetector

@ShadowWizard Post 1: Already recently reported [ MS ]

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

Involuntary shaking is a separate thing, it doesn't have much to do with fever

Tinkeringbell

@rene With the fingers? Yeah, they're not blue/black yet

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

@ShadowWizard At least they tried to be related

@Tinkeringbell You should try moving a few muscles instead of burying yourself under cotton

Sonic the Introverted Hedgehog

@Tinkeringbell To clarify, I was referring to internal body temperature, as in that measured with an oral thermometer.

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

11:45

Or you could wait till it gets warm enough

Sonic the Introverted Hedgehog

@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ ...which could never happen

Tinkeringbell

@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ I'm not being paid to go for walks.

I got work to do! :P

Not that it's going all that fast today, I keep being distracted ;)

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

Shucks

I guess there is no other option than to enjoy the twitching

rene

Default response of a friend of mine when they are ill and you ask how they're doing: I'm going to die!!!.

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Link at end of answer (60): Building and Construction Calculations by Jolly D'Sousa on meta.SE

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

11:48

@rene Well, it's true

Tinkeringbell

@rene I'm still sitting upright. No chance of that happening anytime soon ;)

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

Unless from one those weird philosophical skeptic viewpoints

Sonic the Introverted Hedgehog

By sheer coincidence, I had the same feelings twice when attending major conferences/events, with no symptoms beforehand.

The first time, it was the day before I was slated to start classes at UT for the first time, at an event for new students. The second time, it was at a hackathon in Dallas where someone decided to turn the temperature way down while we were sleeping in the overnight nap room.

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in answer (86): Is this true that the behaviours of moon effects us? Is this believed in in islam? by hamza sulaiman usman on islam.SE

rene

12:12

Ok, the Netherlands just got 710 municipalities ...or we ran the import job twice ...

Shadow Wizard

> As of January 2019, there are 355 municipalities (Dutch: gemeenten) plus 3 special municipalities (bijzondere gemeenten) in the Netherlands

@rene don't forget to edit wikipedia then ^

;)

rene

@ShadowWizard yeah, I will ;)

Shadow Wizard

12:45

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SmokeDetector

13:05

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in body (97): Remote Connection to Phone's File System ✏️ by Cody Rutscher on android.SE

Shadow Wizard

@SmokeDetector why

SmokeDetector

@ShadowWizard Bad keyword in body - Position 999-1013: phone remotely

Shadow Wizard

hmm...

@SmokeDetector fp

SmokeDetector

@ShadowWizard Registered question as false positive.

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in body (97): Present perfect or Past tense? which sentence is correct? by Peggy on ell.SE

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Username similar to website in answer (53): What happened to Barris Offee after her trial? by SayNoTo Democide on scifi.SE

Shadow Wizard

13:23

@SmokeDetector why

SmokeDetector

@ShadowWizard Bad keyword in body - Position 79-116: buy a car if you got driver's licence, Position 141-178: buy a car if you got driver's license, Position 207-244: buy a car if you get driver's license

Shadow Wizard

@SmokeDetector umm....... why is this bad??? sigh

@SmokeDetector fp

SmokeDetector

@ShadowWizard Registered question as false positive.

Shadow Wizard

@SmokeDetector ignore

SmokeDetector

@ShadowWizard Post ignored; alerts about it will no longer be posted.

ArtOfCode

13:24

"buy" probably

Shadow Wizard

@ArtOfCode so Smokey should tell when asked "why".... no?

Instead it gives whole paragraph. :/

ArtOfCode

it gives you the regex match

Shadow Wizard

@SmokeDetector fp-

Derpy

13:41

finally understood the reference in Big Bang Theory...

David Hahn

David Charles Hahn (October 30, 1976 – September 27, 2016) sometimes called the "Radioactive Boy Scout" or the "Nuclear Boy Scout", was an American who attempted to build a homemade breeder reactor at the age of 17. A scout in the Boy Scouts of America, Hahn conducted his experiments in secret in a backyard shed at his mother's house in Commerce Township, Michigan. While his reactor never reached criticality, Hahn attracted the attention of local police when he was stopped on another matter and they found material in his vehicle that troubled them, and he warned that it was radioactive. His mother...

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